Also, you might not have known this but I'm actually a traditionalist too. I was actually recently shying away from my pagans views but it seems of recents those views has been cemented.

Any other traditionalist in the house who could further expatiate the mysticism called Witchcraftry is welcomed to share his or her knowledge.

PAGAN 9JA:
witches and wizards, you mean like Harry potter? No they don't exist. Unless you are talking about our traditional priests. they are not witches and wizards.

Ogbanje, in the spiritual context is the plausibility of being affected by a malevolent spirit/bad winds that cause a series of misfortune in life, owing to a unfinished/bad cause, such as the premature death of a baby, due to childbirth/disease,etc.

The sould of the child did not get a chance to test itself to its attached material manifestation (the childs body that died), so it is said to become malevolent and reactive. In the past (maybe even now), they mutilate the dead body of the child, so that the spirit is completely dissociated from its material parallel (the body). Its not about the extent of mutilitation, in as much as it is with the symbolism, conviction and the context which is what satisfies the ritual purpose.


I don't know much about Olookun affliction. Olokun is the deity of water and fluid bodies.

Yes the exist. depending on the potency and power, they are Gods/spirits. They operate on the whims of the forces of nature. We Hausa call them winds. Like WInds (from small breezes to powerful gusts of wind, to cyclones and storms). It all depends on the force.

Yes if you truly mean it. But you have to sacrifice something. (doesnt necessairly have to be an animal). Maybe even alcohol or fruits or vegetables. The important point is you have to supplicate your prayers with ritual and mean it and also provide your own driving force (effort) towards it. If you can do all of this, then Olokun will answer you. Take part in the Oyo masquerde also. I dont know if that works too.

What I meant by Witches and Wizards in is the African context not the Harry Porter children story being proported by the westerners.

It's in our African belief system that Witches and Wizards possess human (most likely passed on from parent to offspring). They're demons in human flesh whose sole purpose is to cause harm and destruction to fellow human. There are reported theories as to their method of operation to cause destructions to unsuspecting individuals. I just wanted to know your views in regards to that idealogy.

I know this slightly out of context but since you're a traditionalist and an educated one at that. I want to have your take on witches and wizards, ogbanje and people afflicted with water spirit (Olookun). Does such entities exist? Are they gods? How do they operate? Does Olookun truly bless those that worship her with fortune?

Thanks.

I'm not sure why people compare Nairaland to Facebook or Myspace.

Dudes, Nairaland is just a shiithole forum while Facebook, Myspace and the likes are real social networking sites

PAGAN 9JA:
Also if you notice in their tribal dances, it is very common, almost mandatory to find the presence of atleast 1 dark-skinned person of African descent. Its is not a rule, but that is how it is by default. They dance together, have food from the same plate, etc.

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I think you should find a good movie producer and present your movie script.

It should be called. TEARS OF PAIN AND JOY.

My kind of guy.

I would be imagining what the colour of the ferrari I would buy would look like.

PAGAN 9JA:



Im not sure of how you assess this. Infact Gulf Arab Tribals are very tolerant and friendly towards dark-skinned people.

Most of them have close childhood friends from Somalia, Sudan and Kenya and they treat them equally. Even many of their singers and musicians are African/African-origin.

the racist ones are the levantine Arabs (lebanese, syrians, etc.). Beware.

Dude, kindly specify who the gulf Arabs are.

Audrei: Sexkills, always living to his reputation of being a cunnt.. *Oppps* Sorry. I meant to say a punnani. I don't want to be caught breaking any rules on this fine forum..

And where the fucck is that IjebuMan called Seun. I guess he might have indirectly seen this open letter since nothing of importance passes him by on his forum. I'm not sure what his reason is for being quiet and mute to this situation but whatever the case is. I say, Fucck him.

We understand the forum is actually free but we're indirectly making you rich dude with all the millions of ads we've clicked for your sorry asss.. So if a members asks for your attention regarding a particular mod or defunct functions on your forum, Seun you're supposed to respond in kind with a 'yes sir?' How can I can improve this forum for better use?

What a pathetic bunch of sore losers these Mod's are. Seun sure knows how to pick em. I fuccking hate them all.

cool man.

Sometimes, I draw stick figures with my pen or pencil when I'm bored. Does it mean I'm creative?

texanomaly:
In this case you are right. I placed it because I meant it to say, the op made an asinine statement.

The reason:
He said no = Yes

What kind of women is this guy going out with? I was not uncertain or confused. I meant it to say: smh...asinine thing to say!

Everyone knows this article was written by a shiithead. The statements are not correct in anway.

We're just playing along to make this thread fun except for a selected few who actually take this seriously.

oxygen47:

Some people ehhh
How does GEJ's work relate to fake motorcycle papers?
Hav U considered d fact dat d okada man might be suffering some mental/emotional trauma?

In my opinion, d okada man needs to be properly counselled/taken care of

My statement was meant to be sarcastic. Sadly, you did not understand what I was trying to do there.

The country at the present is a shithole and Mr. President doesn't actually give a hoot about the citizens in general. His only priority right now is securing his position in the 2015 elections while the country slowly rot away.

I don't trust the police and other security agencies out there. Everyone knows how uncorrupt they are (sarcasm) What if the documents of the motorcycle was actually original and the police actually seized the documents so he could bribe his way out. This has happened countless numbers of time when the so called security official who are supposed to protect the people see their office as a means to extort from gullible Nigerians.

I say fucck GEJ, fucck our leaders and politicians and most of all, fucck the police (especially you policewoman).

Policewoman: Arrest his sorry azz. If he like make him fling himself into lagoon, he must explain what he is doing with fake papers. Bus drivers nakeding themselves, okada people attempting suicide. All in an attempt to evade the law.

All of una be thieves.

GEJ is working....

Hezron Lorraine: Your problem still is having gays on the mainstream equals to decline of the heterosexual male ego.Gays don't celeberate any form of uniqueness,everyone has their uniquesness,gay or straight.it just happens gays have a higher level of intelligence and creativity.Hence you feel,gays need make themselves special.

You are only scared Gays are overtaking the spotlight straights are supposedly to occupy.

What spotlight are you overtaking? Is this what you could come up with. Pathetic.

GSKing:
Well, what can i say? You bigots see only what u wanna see, read only what u wanna read, and understand only what u wanna understand. You dont see beyond the present. You refuse to accept the fact that we are humans and should be treated equally. Since you have refused to get acquainted with happenings beyond centuries ago, whatever result and agression ur homophobia dish to you becomes ur fault.

Go read my whole comments not just snippets then try quote me once more.

Joavid:

oh please!
You appeal to things like society and common sense and basic rights to promote ur opinion of homosexual normality,well societies have been wrong before(Nazi Germany...). What is common sense to one person isnt necessarily common sense to another.and basic rights? We all have basic human rights but homosexuals want special rights,laws passed to protect their sexual behavior,they want to redefine marriage and require every1 accept it. They want every1 to think like them and approve of their "inborn sexual orientation"and if u dnt,you're labeled a bigot! Yep,they r so tolerant!
mtcheeeew *long hiss*

I like you. You just explained everything I wanted to in a simple paragraph.

Joavid:

oh please!
You appeal to things like society and common sense and basic rights to promote ur opinion of homosexual normality,well societies have been wrong before(Nazi Germany...). What is common sense to one person isnt necessarily common sense to another.and basic rights? We all have basic human rights but homosexuals want special rights,laws passed to protect their sexual behavior,they want to redefine marriage and require every1 accept it. They want every1 to think like them and approve of their "inborn sexual orientation"and if u dnt,you're labeled a bigot! Yep,they r so tolerant!
mtcheeeew *long hiss*

I like you. You just explained everything I wanted to.

Hezron Lorraine: Actually millions of straight individuals have got big problem with the existence of gay people.Wash their sexuality in your faces.elaborate pls?

Gays are very peaceful,while you straights that are irritated by their being are the violent ones.Gay's don't stress on how unique or different they are because like everyone else they serve a purpose.You may be right,gays are exceptional in some fields of life.You shouldn't blame them for flaunting that,just as no one stops you from flaunting your uniqueness.

Gay's don't need your attentions.they don't ask to be noticed.They simply asked to be accorded the same respect they accord others and not be discriminated against.They have an equal say in the society,you saying they want to be noticed is telling them to shut up theri voices don't count whereas it counts.

It wasn't used to being that way. When homesexuality first came into light through the modern world, it was had getting used to that idea because we humans were raised in this traditional point of view that a man befriends a woman and form a relationship. It was hard understanding the sexxual relationship between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Recent studies have found out that today's society are already used to homosexual relationships and a good percentage of that number are accepting them. Take a look at the vast entertaining industry. Millions of homosexuals are thriving in that industry and are being successful without any prejudice from the society at large. Leading fashion moguls are mostly homosexuals and 'gay' fashion has generally been accepted into our todays world if you would agree with me. Heck, even the roman catholic pope gave a sermon subconciously accepting them as people into our society. This is a very big plus for gays out there because religion which was once a detrimental force and a deadly opposition to the existence of homosexuals are now giving homosexuality the checkers

Now here's the problem. There are still heterosexual males out there who still hasn't gotten used to that 'gay' idea and they are mostly the ones you see on social networking sites basing their theory on religion but mostly the reason why so many hasn't gotten used to that idea is because of their lack of illumination and ignorance, religious extremist/fundamentalist and poverty. Ok, this is a side topic for another time as I don't want further derail this subject. Now, here's another problem. The few straight individuals who are openminded and has already accepted homosexuality as just a natural phenomenom are constantly being under pressure to revert back to the outdated idealogy about homosexuality by gays themselves. Your constant attitudes and incessant show for attention is so annoying that sometimes we beg to differ. You guys wants to be treated different, in another word you want to be treated special which is not right. You guys are not special and unique. Being special and unique is totally different. When a human can fly, it means that human is special and unique but when a human favours homosexuality as his sexual preference, it doesn't change who is he is. He's still human and not special and not unique.

This is where the problem lies. You guys are trying to tell the world you are special and unique when you are not. You want special laws to be created for your needs. You want to be treated differently and special which is wrong. You ask to be treated with respect...Respect is not demanded but gained. Your attitude towards others gains you respect. If you act like a bitcch and want to be respected like a queen, it doesn't work that way. You don't go on social networking sites creating annoying threads about homosexuality and how you feel special and you think you're different and better than others and hoping straight individuals would like you. All the homosexual guys on nairaland have either created a thread about how being homosexual is cool and what not or commented on one. You don't see a straight nairaland dude creating a thread about being straight and demanding for respect because we don't need the attention. We know we're cool.

I'm not sure if you got the points I was trying to pass across but in case you didn't. Here's a short excerpt of all what I was trying to say. If you're gay, just be gay and don't try to wash your sexuality on others. It's annoying. Just live life and enjoy being what you are. Don't cause unneccessary attention towards yourself. Don't ask to be treated differently and don't demand respect. Live and enjoy life like a normal human and respect would come to you naturally.

I don't have a problem with homosexuals neither do millions of straight individuals out there. They are human like us ofcourse. What I don't like is them trying to wash their sexuality on our faces..

This is just the simple reason why the heterosexuals out there are just plainly irritated toward the gay guys. If only the gays could just live their lives in peace than trying to tell the world how different, special and unique they are and also, how they want to bend laws to their favor and how they incessantly demand respect from straight guys like it's their birthright. If only they could just shut up, straight people wouldn't take a second notice to them.

It's just like a lion taking his nap and minding his business then suddenly, a hyena comes and start laughing and trying to irritate the lion just to get it's attention. You can imagine what would happen next.

Vanneni: Even after quoting him you still didn't notice that the actual word he used was censored.

I noticed that all the ladies save one, who have thus far commented on this thread used this smiley '' '' Why's that?

That particular emoticon is a representation of confusion, uncertainty.

E.g I don't understand what you mean?

But in truth some selected few use it without actually placing it correctly to express themselves.

@Op. Are you being serious or just sarcastic?

And WTF with the insert fake 'tattoo'.

Dude, you look like a douche.

Are you high or just fuccking stupid?

I can't just stop laughing..

I like this. The board should not settle for less.

Ojigho: @thread. Please what has GEJ done for the Niger Delta for the past 6 years he has been both acting President and President? If you, @ Sincere 9gerian can't give me a detailed and comprehensive catalog of the "projects" he has personally gone out of his way to use his enormous might as the CIC and also a son of the soil to carry out to touch the lives of the Average Niger Deltan,then from this day,I'd begin to regard you as just a praise singer. I don't want to know the day and year marginalisation started in this country. All I'm saying is if there ever is a man that can remove the tears and suffering of the poor,give hope to the teeming number of unemployed graduates in the streets,rules the country with the fear of God with strict observance to the Constitution of this great country,let that man be president. I DO NOT CARE WHICH GEOPOLITICAL ZONE HE COMES FROM.

If citizens all over Nigeria were this rational and unbiased whereas not basing their feelings on sentiments and emotions, Nigeria would have been a better place for all.

The current command in chief is an imcomplete retardd and I'm using the word retardd in light sense. I don't know much about Nigerian politics simply because it's too barbaric for acceptance. GEJ has shown us incessant count of times that he is an incompetent leader. I do not need to start raising out points to further proof my thesis because we all know the political and economical dacadence we've undergone since he came in to power.

His current governance has never in anyway assisted in improvement to the life of the poor and the middle class. It's only the rich and power hungry looters would support him for another tenure. I used to think the former president and winner of the 1999 election governance was the worst ever in history but GEJ made me change my mind.

We need fresh air. We need someone who understands the needs of the masses and go out of his/her own to solve that problem. I don't care who it is but we need change. It seems the Northerners when embarking on any political ambition always have the problem of the masses on their mind. The short tenure of President Yar'Adua made me understand it seems the country should be better run by the Northerns. The only time I enjoyed the dividends of democracy was during Yar'Adua short tenure. The first thing that poor bloke did was to reduce the price of petroleum product by 50%. He pardoned and gave the Niger Delta militants amnesty in the right sense (without the excessive funds). Power improved grately. He really wanted to improve Nigeria and there was some schemes he was planning to embark on which was greatly going to improve the standard of living for Nigerians till they murdered him.

It's so sad but the truth is we southern brethren are too filled with greed and personal ambition. It has taken two president from the south to show that we're never going to improve with a southerner as commander in chief. We need a northerner, we need change.

lorretta u: And seeing as you have skewed understanding,I'm done talking about this with you..
You can believe what u want.and u can keep on hating me if it makes u happy.
Well in Robert greene's book 48 laws of power,I think one of his laws states"hate what u can't afford" so if it makes u feel more like a man,u can hate this babe ok.
But a man whom u aren't fit to clean his feet will still come and see the great woman in me and marry me
While you're still waiting for Ekaitte from akwaibom.
I'm done. in trying to argue with you,I'm beginning to sound shallow.which isn't who I am



I'm sorry for calling u the names I did
Like broke azz etc.that's not really who I am too.I guess I got carried away. Forgive me
Goodnight.ciao

@ the bolded. You mean a man with no class.. Right?!!

It was fun though, don't take things you see online too seriously...

Ciao!Ciao!!

Ok, we the "stingy" guys have heard you.

This is exactly my distaste for women like you. The guys does everything and not a single soul hears but when you do a little something, you make it a point to exaggerate and tell the whole world..

Pathetic!

lorretta u: Oh you have no idea the kind of person I am.
Not at all

Even in my student days I never depended on any man.and u think that's gonna start now?

It's obvious in your stinginess,u forgot to see where I said I don't have a problem with making money
If u follow my posts,u'll see that I always advocate for women to be independent to avoid some of the types of abuse we all read about these days.where d woman can't leave cos she has no means of livelihood.she has to depend on her abuser.if your stinginess hadn't turned you myopic,you'd have seen so many of my posts encouraging women to try to stand and fend for themselves.

I don't have a problem with a woman being rich by herself.what sensible woman wouldn't want her own money to do as she pleases,as opposed to writing application to the man for every little thing she wants to do or buy?

I only have a problem with men complaining stupidly about spending on women,when in truth they have done nothing.I've seen and I also come from a home where my mother is the breadwinner.I've seen it in so many families in nigeria.sometimes even when the both parents are working,the woman ends up contributing more to her kids upkeep.
But what do u see?
Stingy broke arsezs like u and the OP will come to NL
And create a post about how to get a cheap woman who meanwhile will double as a wife and gf.she'll come and wash cook n clean.and u'll bang her punny beyond recognition.in the name of loving relationship.but when u want to marry you'll start looking for an untouched girl.what did she gain from your broke love?when u are even complaining about the recharge card that u sent to her?
But you'll never see the men who spend worthwhile money on their women come here to complain.they buy houses ,open business n buy cars and lots more for their wives n gf's
Guy wey never buy ordinary phone go dey complain.simply because of one meal he took her out to buy
Mtchew! Long hiiiisssss.if you don't know,stinginess in a man is so disgusting.pls get ur act together.
Not saying u should live beyond ur means.but when u do have,don't calculate every penny spent.it's so unmanly.
Abi u go dey follow ur woman go market make u know if she buy tomatoes of #50
When she collected #100 for it.
I wouldn't put that past u.don't know what men of these days are turning into

I thought your whole post was just a joke till I read your meagre understanding about independent women. You're not just a thief but shallow and undeserving. Your whole idea about being independent is is for women to save money should incase a relationship (marriage) should not work out. From my own point of understanding, you enter a relationship having it at the bank of your mind (if I should call it that)it might not work out. It's just like a woman who gets married still keeping intouch with her ex just incase the present relationship (marriage) doesn't work out. I don't think you understand how pathetic you sound. Geez!

I see what you're doing here trying to paint yourself in light as one advocating for women independence over men for financial means while your posts has clearly shown you're one of those girls whose own idealogy of a guy being reasonably economical is a definition of stinginess. You don't even understand what financial independence mean. I hate it when a girl would asserts all her financial problems on the dude when she has parents who support her financial needs and while there's a possibility of employment out there. I find it very irritating when a girl would demands from me with no self esteem like it's her birthright to buy her expensive items knowing my financial situation. I've come across relationships where both individuals involved were both students studying in the same institution and the girl's outright demands were beyong the dudes monthly wages. She does nothing for him except to nag like you're nagging about him being stingy because he chose not to live above his means.

Material girls like you always seem to raise sexx as a point of concern claiming since you're giving the dude pleasure, he should always meet up to your demands like he's the only one deriving pleasure from it. It disgust me to see the moral decadence women had undergone for decades. It wasn't this bad with our parents. I understand there's no relationship where finance is not involved but when it turns into a do or die affair or an instant where the financial stress and responsility would be left for just the guy to handle, it raise a point of concern for me. My girl should be able to take me out once in a while with her own money. I'm actually not the outdoorsy type so a home cooked favorite meal of mine would suffice. She should able to buy me heartwarming gifts on special occassions not the usual underwears Nigerian women buys as gifts. If she buys me cheap items as presents, she shouldn't be expecting an expensive items as gifts on my part.

There're still some nice ladiess out there no doubt who do not go into relationship for the financial aspect of it neither do they demand their partners for financial assistance like it's their birthright. Like common sense, those women are extremely rare. It's your kind I dislike and hate with so much disdain. Those chop and clean mouth bittches. Any woman who sees me as her financial breakthrough without possibly supporting me in anyway emotionally and what not is going to be on the longest ride of her life. I'm going to tap that asss like it's no man's business and when I'm through, I would make her feel like a common paramour that she is. Two can play that game, you know.

The moral of this whole mumbo jumbo so far is any woman who goes out of her way just to make her partner happy is a keeper. Any woman who goes out of her way just to make me happy and shows that she cares would be met in kind. I would even go further, steal the moon, wrap it in a box, present it to her with my heart included just to proof a point and show that I care and I'm appreciative of her understanding and sacrifice on her part.