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verycute:
He has the best printing machines ever in Nigeria. He is beleived to have the most organized ministry in the world with a crusade of more than 3 million people in a single meeting, every one seated. These are records that blew the minds of fellow pastors around the world.

This is totally crazy and shows how backward some of our people think in Nigeria. Is there anything productive being done by this 3 million people sitting in a single meeting waiting for some imaginary god to come and help them?
Other countries are rejoicing over the creation of hi-tech jobs for 3 million people and someone is here rejoicing over 3 million deluded people under a single man's hypnotism and empty promises of manna from heaven.
What a big shame.

@ogaga4luv

Seriously, that creature you have on your profile is pretty scary. is that the devil? cos if he is, I can't think of a reason why anyone would want to follow him. But then we are all different sha.

@Deepsight

It is definitely a possibility that PastorAIO himself has been changed from his interactions with others in the forum, even as an agnostic, my belief system has evolved over time as I evaluate things I once beleived in and put them to test dropping those that I found wanting.

I think it is a journey everyone has to take, my main grouse with religion is some group or individual taking an absolute and rigid stance on issues as if they know everything which obviously no one does.

One thing I've discovered about religion or any belief/faith is that it gets to a point where its basic assumptions/theories break down just as the big bang theory itself breaks down at the point of a singularity. When adherents of various beliefs, religions or faiths get to this point they become very inconsistent and go into the "By any means necessary" mode rather than owning up to their ignorance because that undermines the basic foundations of their postulations.

It is all well and good for you to believe in a Prime mover beyond time and space with attributes of intelligence and power while I keep an open mind about the possibility of the world having come about as a result of randomness and chance in timelessness/infinite time as they are all postulations, the only things we can be sure of is that we came to exist somehow.

I believe in Science because it starts from an assumption of ignorance proceeding to formulation of theories through observation without holding those theories as being sacred discarding them and formulating new ones when they become inadequate whereas Religion starts from the opposite end, assuming total knowledge and then bending everything else to fit into that assumed knowledge. This is the very reason why it is chaotic, lacks order, divides, causes friction and has not advanced the human race the way science has.

It is a bit of a strange one for me as one of the things that finally convinced me to choose agnosticism was one of Apostle Paul's statements in the Bible in 1 Cor 13:9 because he alluded to humanity/christianity having an incomplete knowledge.

I do believe that if we see religion for what it is, a placeholder for the limits of our knowledge, a means of social control (which our laws have now largely replaced) or working theories as to our origins and how we should live,  then it wouldn't be a cause of so much confusion and friction.

skyone:
the fact remains he is the bggest threat we have on earth at the moment.

And is this the definition of Antichrist? we must have had a lot of Antichrists and we will definitely have more cos there will be more American presidents after Obama, so what exactly do you want us to do with this Knowledge O great skyone? rise up in arms against Obama or what exactly?

@manmustwac

Why yu go add my name put for that dubious list now? By the way, which of the many Hells are we talking about out of all these?
[Quote]
1
a.  The abode of condemned souls and devils in some religions; the place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death, presided over by Satan.

b. A state of separation from God; exclusion from God's presence.

2. The abode of the dead, identified with the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades; the underworld.

3.
a. A situation or place of evil, misery, discord, or destruction: "War is hell" (William Tecumseh Sherman).
b. Torment; anguish: went through hell on the job.

4.
a. The powers of darkness and evil.
b. Informal One that causes trouble, agony, or annoyance: The boss is hell when a job is poorly done.

5. A sharp scolding: gave the student hell for cheating.

6. Informal Excitement, mischievousness, or high spirits: We did it for the sheer hell of it.

7.
a. A tailor's receptacle for discarded material.
b. Printing A hellbox.

8. Informal Used as an intensive: How the hell can I go? You did one hell of a job.

9. Archaic A gambling house.[/quote]Because if we take the definition as given in 2, then we are all going to end up in hell someday if we have a soul that is.

So, what exactly is the problem? is he now unable to satisfy his wife sexually or what exactly? If his libido is that high and his wife can't satisfy his sex drive then yu can buy him some intimacy gadgets.

^^ No worry, if nothing I say can do it but I'm sure Administration and relegation can tear you away from your club. 

dayokanu:
Africans you mean? Which continent was Osei Kuffour, Pablo Thiam and others from.
Typical Gayyners are not smart at all

Apart from those 2, anymore? up to your usual monkey tricks I can see. You no see as my african brothers full Arsenal. Abi yu never get yur daily dose of bananas today?

tayoccu:
do you remember the run to the finals of the 2007 Carling cup?
who formed the core of the team?
you guessed right my fledgings,they took livefluke out in grand style, and put up a 5 star performance against chelsea's first 11.

Thank you my brother, I went back to watch highlights of the Liverpool game on ATVO yesterday and realised how devoted we have been to our youth strategy.
That team started with a midfield of Denilson, Song, Cesc and Theo (with Diaby making his first appearance after his long term injury) with Clichy and Djorou also in the defense.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=324131.msg4717408#msg4717408 date=1255349944]That is immaterial.
All i know is we have better youth players than Arsenal.
Our young lads break into the senior squad at will. . . . .The Da Silva brothers, Macheda, Welbeck, Evans, Cleverley,
Gibson to name a few have all featured prominently for the senior squad.
While Wenger didn't have the balls to play his youth players against Chelsea in the FA cup semis last season, Fergie rolled out his fledgings against the Toffees.

None of them has the status of Macheda or Rafael Da Silva yet so let em keep knocking on heaven's door. [/quote]This is a blatant lie. If you are naming guys like Evans, Gibson and Cleverly then you are talking total rubbish, those guys are in the same age bracket as Song, Denilson, Vela and Walcott who are basically now first teamers.

For the DaSilva brothers, Macheda and Welbeck, we've got Ramsey, Gibbs, Wilshere, Szczeney, Barazite who are all starters in the Under 21 team for their different countries. (mind you, Macheda could not get into the italian U21 which was beaten by the Welsh U21 team recently and Welbeck is far down the pecking order in the England U21 team behind guys like Walcott, Carroll e.t.c.).

The day ManU can be confident enough to field a midfield of players all below 23 years of age in a UCL match or beat a Premier league club like Wigan in a cup competition playing a team with an average age less than 20 years, then you can come and make such statements until then please go and get your facts right and stop referring to a team which included Foster, Ferdinand, Vidic, Tevez, Park and Anderson as starters while substituting in Evra, Scholes and Berbatov as a team of youth players cos we might just begin to wonder if you really understand what the word youth means.

^^ Ope o, the Nazis are finally opening up and allowing africans in their team. Praise the lord.
Hope say una don dey give Robben enof fat to chop sha? international break don dey go so.

dayokanu:
When did the english jesters get home? Thank God they managed to score a goal this time around though against their mates in football Azerbaijan

A little earlier than your motley crew of footballers. Besides, na where una thief that Sukuta-Pasu lad from? that name sounds more like an Isale Eko thug's name than a German name.

E be like say Ade don wound, una neva enter palava so?

manmustwac:
i dey support from when i dey very small and besides i wasn't refering to you. I was refering to that mod

Okay o, it is not too late to change sha though I know yu will be very stubborn. When you get tired of waiting for success with this always underachieving club, our arms will be wide opened waiting for you in the red half of north london where good things are always happening.

mukina2:
wetin concern those midgets concern us?

abeg waka jo

Dudu
the thing shock me sef oh
LIl send netting in two

The guy dey undergo change of name again be that:
Senderos _to Senderock _to Ponderous _to Sendagoal 
I'm happy for dear Senderos joo he has always been a little boy in a big man's body, maybe that little boys has finally decided to grow up.

By the way, our favorite mexican export since Zorro was at his imperious best scoring once and assisting as Mexico beat El-Salvador 4-1 to seal automatic qualification to the world cup.

Africans are very stupid, if people can believe this obvious Cock and Bull story, why don't they also believe that Oduduwa came down on a rope from heaven with a grain of sand which became the earth? or the many other creation stories we have in Nigeria alone.

You have to first of all define what you mean by faith, If yu are using the definition of faith in the bible then no one can be more Michael Jackson than Michael Jackson himself.

Wetin yu wan take am do? ol boy your own database go pass soccernet own be dat o. Anyway, all the best in your search.

mukina2:
hehehe my boys are scoring this weekend, . . .

Senderos scored 2
Cesc scored one
and Willie G just made it 3 for les blues

Me sef see am and I weak o, Senderos score 2? o ga o. The guy don dey learn from Verminator be dat now.

Enof selection worries for Arsene abi no be so?

manmustwac:
Take your time oh. i go ban u from the tottenham thread OH!

You be my personal person, but how yu no get better club support wey yu go dey support this crappy spuds of all clubs ehn.?

nateevs:
YOUTH FOOTBALL.

Ryan Bertrand, Patrick Van Aanholt, Jack Cork, Jacob Mellis, Liam Bridcutt, Lee Sawyer, Tom Taiwo, Franco DiSanto and Miroslav Stoch are all on loan. Gael Kakuta is banned. Michael Woods and Nana Ofori Twumasi were with the England team in the U-20 world cup.

All this would have helped only if yu're allowed to play 22 players against 11 and don't you think the pitch would have been quite overcrowded?

Besides  we also had  Merida and Hoyte at the Under 20s; Wilshere, Gibbs, Walcott, Ramsey and Szczeny in the Under 21s; Pedro Bothelo, Jay Emmanuel Thomas and Henri Lansbury on Loan.  All these your players were available last season when we did the double in the Under 18s so there is nothing new that they want to show.

BlueDiva:
England beaten at last!!!
I'm really glad.

Any specific reason why you are glad? una dey fight over the same thigh of chicken?

^^ more like Liverpool is crocked.

dayokanu:
According to this theory, Ronaldo Lima was discovered by Barcelona? Seedorf was discovered at Sampdoria, Kanu was discovered by Inter Milan and Wayne Rooney was discovered at Man Utd.

Can you now see how insane this theory is?

Totally irrelevant to the issue, Ronaldo was already 18 before he went to PSV and almost 20 before he got to Barcelona. Rooney was already premiership class before he went to Manure (can't recall but seems he was even already a full England international at 18 years and had been to the Euros). Kanu was discovered by Ajax after they took a gamble on his talent following the 1993 Under 17 world cup.

dayokanu:
Someone asked for the products of Bayern youth team
Michael rensing, 25 years 6 games this season
Phillip Lahm, 25years old 9 games this season
Bastian Schweinsteiger, 25 years 11 games this season
Holger Badstuber 20 years 11 games this season
Thomas Muller 20 years old 11 games this season

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Badstuber and Muller are all regulars. Tell us about the products of this famous Arsenal academy

I am happy you came up with this players and it shows how poor your scouting network is that they are all poached from other German Clubs (something not possible in England due to the rule to protect other English clubs which stipulates a particular distance you must live within proximity to a club before you can attend that club's academy)

If we apply the same yardstick you have applied to us, then none of those players can be credited as being developed by you:

Bastian Schweinsteiger poached from (TSV 1860 Rosenheim) aged 14 and having won the German youth championship with his former club
Lahm poached from (FT Gern München) aged 13
Badstuber poached from (TSV Rot) aged 11
Muller poached from (TSV Pähl) aged 11
Michael Rensing pached from (TuS Lingen) aged 16

And before you start opening your big mouth to belittle Arsene's achivement with youth again, consider the fact that Phillip Osondu was also MVP at Under-17 level, but we all know how that panned out for Molenbeek or which belgian club bought him again? 

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=324131.msg4706787#msg4706787 date=1255190918]Don't mind the pillocks. . . . . .
Their youth side have never beaten United. . . . .We taught em a lesson in 2007.
There was also a youth tournament hosted in Malaysia in 2007 where Arsenal, Milan,Barca, Boca, Chelsea, Man Utd and Bayern, etc all participated.
Arsenal/Chelsea got kicked out in the group stage. . .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Champions_Youth_Cup
The whole youth schitzo is a farce.

If Arsenal can claim Henry and Bergkamp. . . . . .Need we say more?[/quote]See this silly Sauron, where your Manure youths dey when our youths were doing the double at Under 18 level last season? and that is irrelevant anyway, the important thing is - How many of those your youth cup winners in 2007 have been integrated into your first team?
From the team that did the youth cup double earlier in the year, Wilshere is already knocking on the first team door and the likes of Sunu, Watt and Coquelin are already getting Carling Cup appearances.

chic2pimp:
Stop claiming what is clearly not yours. CESC IS A PRODUCT OF LA MASIA . BTW he was 16 not 15 when he signed.

dayokanu:
Arsenal have youths just like every club and the success rate of this youth into top rated players is nothing to write home about.

What are the fruits of labour that you claim?

Find below a list of Arsenal regular players and their youth clubs.
Almunia, Osasuna
Sagna, Auxerre
Clichy, Cannes
Gallas, Caen/Marseille
Vermalaen, Ajax
Cesc, Barcelona
Diaby, PSG/Auxerre
Song, Bastia
Arshavin Zenit
Van persie, Feyenoord
Bendtner Arsenal
Rosicky Sparta Prague
Nasri  Marseille

So where is the fruit of labour. The only player from your youth team is arguably the worst in the team


Fabregas was best player at U17. and one of the world top talents

Abeg make we hear word, and tell us the player wey una don produce wey dey your first team. All players bought under the age of 18 are considered as home grown players when they clock 21 by the new rules, if you can't stomach that go and head a pole. 

for us that includes:

Cesc
Bendtner
Ramsey
Vela
Song
Mannone
Walcott
Merida
Traore

You can nitpick all you like and start telling us irrelevant stories. Those are the facts, they are our "Home Grown" players who came through our academy and there are many more coming after them who you don't know now but you will start telling us stories when they get into the first team.

When you can name more than 2 players who came through your academy into your first team, then we can start discussing until then keep your gob shut.

chic2pimp:
The way u lot bang on about your youth squad and Academy says to me that you do think arsenal is all about youth football. If I had a penny for everytime a gaynner has used the word KIDS, I'd be a millionaire by now.

It means that we recognize that always buying at the top end is not a sustainable policy. And yes, there is a joy to be derived in watching players develop through your system to become reliable members of your team. True, we have paid the price for developing those players, but we are now beginning to see the fruit of our labours and once the initial crop come through, it becomes a culture of the club and we will always have a steady stream of talent coming through.

The likes of Song(who actually joined us on loan at 17 and not 19 as someone claimed), Cesc (15), Theo(16), Wilshere(9) , Merida(16), Ramsey (17) and so many others at the fringes are all products of our academy no matter what the likes of Dayokanu has to say. Barca can claim what they want about Cesc but he is not so foolish as to forget what Arsenal did for him.

If this is not important, why do you think the Home grown rule is being implemented?

1-0 England, Kieran Gibbs scores, assisted by Theo Walcott,
2-0 Micah Richards scores from a Wilshere corner

The England Under 21 team is playing Macedonia today, I'll be watching and keeping tabs on Jack's performance particularly with Kieran and Theo also likely to feature. You can catch this free online on www.thefa.com where it will be streamed live.

dayokanu:
Why would a normal person be content with 2nd 3rd and 4th.

Is first position meant for gods?

I will gladly graduate in the Top 4 from Cambridge rather than be the top dog from OAU or UI, iwo nko?

manmustwac:
@duduspace
yeah it will take at least 2years to build which will be in the next decade. Wel thanks for enlightening me. How u see our next game away to portsmouth? Predict a scoreline for me? How many goals we gonna put past portsmouth?

The decade after the next is more likely I don't think you will score against portsmouth (cos I've taken Defoe outta my fantasy team) so its likely to be 10-O against Tottenham.