₦airaland Forum

tutudesz:
Una wan do nairaland coup abi has an Ijaw man, I stand with the zoning arrangement and 70% of Ijaws too.

Unfortunately your political elders don't agree with you. Pa Clark has been running around clamouring for the seat to be zoned to his people.

darfay:
I don't think we're a minority. We're not politically inclined as the others. I doubt if there's a town or city in Delta state outside ijaw and isoko areas where ijaw people outnumber the isokos. We're definitely more than the other guys.
The ijaw people have benefited massively from militancy and enriched themselves massively and in so doing pulling political clout for themselves while the itsekiris have benefited from their monopoly of warri et Al.
I hope things change but at the moment we're not even in the discuss for the Senatorial seat or deputy governorship
I hear the ijaws are seriously vying for the governorship BTW

The Itsekiris aren't benefiting from warri. They have no monopoly over anything when 90% of the city are in Urhobo land. They only benefit from their Oil wealth which they and the Ijaw ethnicity are using to corner political influence in the Nigerian space.

And yes you are right, there is no city in Delta State where those two are more than the Isokos. I don't know if you've stayed in Ughelli for example. For every 5 Houses owned by the Urhobos, there is one owned by the Isokos. Even in Warri, same thing. Outside the Urhobos, The Isokos are next followed by Ijaws then Itsekiri and others.

As much as we have our own squabbles, There is need for us to unite. The unpleasant fact about our disunity is that there's no tribe in Delta state or Nigeria that will love and care for you like me an Urhobo man (Vice versa). Already, our interest is covered and secured in the state and Country as we have the huge numbers to corner any threat from any group. Same can't be said to your people. Sincerely, we need you and you also need us. I hope we put out differences aside and unite like the brothers we are.

As for the Ijaw governorship. They are just blabbing. After we are done. We will fiercely root for an Isoko governor.

These problems the man listed aren't limited to Warri. Nigeria as a whole is struggling.

Decades of little or no planning led us to our current state. Imagine a nation that imports basically everything talking about "Jobs." Lol na for where you one work na?

We must address our core problems If we are to progress as a nation. Warri has lots of potentials that can't be well harnessed if we continue with this present trend.

RealityBender:
Honestly speaking Warri and Niger Delta at large are filled with lazy men and that’s why things are they way they are. They don’t believe in work, they just believe in ‘owa oyel’. I spent time there 3 years ago and all most of the men do is just go to the local joint, drink ogogoro and talk about women they’ve fvcked morning till night. Even the keke riders with their miserly income will spend all their money in these local joints and return empty handed to their wives and numerous kids. Money nor dey money nor dey but dey somehow manage to have so many baby mamas. Tufia!

This talk is what I don't like. Don't we have Agbero in Lagos? What about Anambra? Is there is state in Nigeria you don't find men who drink to stupor? Isn't that a cancer in our society today?

... all most of the men do is just go to the local joint...

We must end this hasty generalization of people living in the oil city. The challenges you find here, you find elsewhere in this country.

Congratulations brother

darfay:
Voter apathy is very strong in Delta central tho.
They have the most populated local governments but very embarrassing turnout.
The below is from the physical registration for the on going continuous voters registration exercise. The online registration is almost 300k for Delta state which is the second highest nationally but lga by lga breakdown is not available for that

There is voter apathy which I'm not denying, but the guy I quoted was giving the impression that Delta North has a far larger voter strength which is a big lie. Delta Central result from the last two elections were poor because most people are beginning to loose hope in the system. Their massive support for Ogboru in 03 & 07 yielded no success.

From the screenshot, we can see the voting numbers coming from Burutu, Bomandi and those riverine communities are fraudulent. Now, I'm beginning to believe Isoko isn't even a minority in Delta South to start with. Next year will be interesting.

Ever8090:
Iran is not that bad...

Iran has more STEM Graduates than any country in the middle East or Africa. Their education is top notch.

Advantages

* They have a good educational system, probably one of the best in the middle East. The country is peaceful, so you don't get to worry about anything.

Disadvantages

* It is an Islamic country and being governed by Islamic rules, your rights to an extent are limited, but if you can stay in Saudi Arabia then you can cope in Iran.

* The economy is been bombarded by sanctions, so you are greatly limited to external Fundings.

IDENNAA:
Yoruba people are disadvantaged and don't venture outside of South West because they feel Nigeria revolves around their region. But this has done them more harm than good and has given other ethnic groups rooms to see opportunities and grab them while my Yoruba brothers keep screaming Emi ni Omo Eko.....lol. Have you wondered why every Yoruba you meet is a Lagosian , Lagos is their bread and butter and all they have.


I was bbn born in Jo's, Plateau and the major investors there are Hausa/Fulani, Plateau indigenes and Igbo in no particular order. You 'd be hard pressed to see a Yoruba who is a businessman, most are civil servants, especially the few ones that teach in the University.

In Bini you will not see a single Yoruba who own a business or a property. The Yorubas you will see in Bini are their women who sell peppers, agbo and provisions. Yorubas don't venture outside Lagos but it's a disadvantage. Now ,when they see the Igbo thriving everywhere they are bitter ,very bitter in their heart.

The success of Igbo at Docemo ,Balogun , Obanikoro , Mandilas and the whole Isale Eko pains them deeply. I don't even want to talk about Ladipo and other but Igbo in Lagos Island are very successful way more than their host who also trade their. The wealthy Yorubas are their Alhajas who sell lace materials....these women are wealthy and wear gold anklet....I used to get around with their pretty daughters. Generally, I have no issues with Yoruba because we can get along and they will treat you better than these demonic Ikwerre ,Omoku, Agbor and co.

We can argue that the Igbos are more invested in other parts of Nigeria than the Yorubas, but it's erroneous to say they don't invest in other parts of the country.

In my layout in warri, there are upto four landlords who are from the west and one of the biggest event center in the city (Manuex place) is reportedly owned by a Yoruba man. Most here that I have met are into business... automobile (mechanics), fashion designing, PoP/interior designers and building contractors. Then we have some that operate Oil farms in Ubeji (e.g Mettrix).

Also, you will likely not find many of them in Places like Rivers and Akwa-ibom as compared to Delta/Edo. The farther you go, the less likely they migrate. Infact, you have more Urhobos in PH than all Yorubas combined.

In Jos, they have a seizable numbers. Most migrated there during the Tin boom. My only problem is that they are too invested in Lagos. LoL

Osariemen12:
Good you are coming close to reality. Now check the results of the guber election in the same 2011 and see the local government spread and you will see that the South (particularly Warri) and the north have always been the decision zones. My argument has been on votes casted, not registered. The reason is that many people who registered in the Delta Central are none indigents who do not vote on guber and state assembly elections.

You are aware of the fraudulent votes the riverine areas do generate? Also bring the 2011 election results and 2015 results let's compare.

What do you mean many people who registered in Delta Central are non-indigenous? Why are you bias? Are there no non-indigenes in other zones?

Osariemen12:
[s] Full list of the 25 LGAs with Results for PDP and APC

1.) Ukwuani
APC – 7264
PDP – 18,328

2.) Ethiope East
APC – 21,141
PDP – 11,489

3.) Ethiope West
APC – 6,211
PDP – 62,044

4.) Ika South
APC – 3,877
PDP – 33,371

5.) Ika North East
APC – 2,303
PDP – 67,417

6.) Patani
APC – 3,288
PDP – 19,683

7.) Oshimili South
APC – 2,700
PDP – 54,766

8.) Okpe
APC – 9,424
PDP – 20,415

9.) Aniocha North
APC – 4,653
PDP – 17,054

10.) Aniocha South
APC – 3,138
PDP – 20,947

11.) Isoko South
APC – 14,259
PDP – 43,730

12.) Oshimili North
APC – 2,906
PDP – 37,744

13.) Isoko North
APC – 9,817
PDP – 29,648

14.) Sapele
APC – 10,457
PDP – 18,572

15.) Ndokwa East
APC – 4,306
PDP – 30,670

16.) Ughelli South
APC – 20,233
PDP – 32,086

17.) Udu
APC – 8,605
PDP – 9,042

18.) Warri South
APC – 12,982
PDP – 34,977

19.) Bomadi
APC – 4,437
PDP – 63,851

20.) Uvwie
APC – 10,467
PDP – 15,455

21.) Warri South West
APC – 10,906
PDP – 139,534

22.) Warri North LGA
APC – 11,116
PDP – 44,713

23.) Ughelli North
APC – 22,081
PDP – 19,045

24) Burutu LGA
APC – 3,645
PDP – 49,722

25.) Ndokwa West LGA
APC – 5,722
PDP – 30,971

The results of the Delta State guber election in 2019. Show me how central has more voting strength than the south or north. [/s]

You are using last election to judge voting strength? Please be smart in your argument. Imagine believing Uvwie has only 25k voters and Udu 17k. I mean, these two are the most urbanized and most populated LGAs in Delta State.

Now, let's look at stats.

Registered Voters in Delta State in 2011 was 2,044,372 (https://guardian.ng/general-elections-2011/inec-results-live-updates-as-jega-announces-results-of-election-2015-at-press-conference/)

Meanwhile, Delta Central had over 819,118 registered voters as at that time (https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-east/146332-819118-registered-voters-participate-delta-senatorial-bye-election-inec.html)

Meaning 40% of Delta's voting strength are in Delta Central. If you distribute the remaining 60% between North and south, how then are they majority?

You should stop misleading people online.

agentarcher:
Leave that ignorant fellow. I'm would like to come to the office and defend what he is saying. Trying to claim another's state as their own because we were generous enough to allow a minority tribe rule the state. This is why some majority don't allow minority rule. Stupid talks like this comes up.

In Bendel, the Urhobos were by far the largest, even having more population more than the combined forces of Bini and Ishan. In a real population census, I don't even see any tribe in the Niger Delta except Efik/Ibibio having more population than the Urhobos.

Osariemen12:
Evidence speaks. Both Delta and my state, Edo, were once in the same state. Historically, Anioma has block votes in state politics. Take a look at the 2019 election results.

Stop arguing and learn to accept corrections.

Delta north isn't the most populous in Delta State, the Urhobos are. Even during the time Bendel was/were together, the Urhobos were the largest, having a larger population than that Bini & Ishan combined.

Ghengiskhan:
From your write up the woman didn't inherited the properties she was only managing the properties and so it doesn't belong to her legally and in your place no inheritance as far as ancestral properties are concern only managing it and that can be transferred to blood relatives only. Right or Wrong?

She inherited the properties but can't pass it to non-blood relatives. Only her offsprings can make use of the land. Her husband is a nobody as far as we are concerned.

Let me give you an example.

I have an aunt that died a long time ago. Her inheritance in my hometown were repossessed by my family. She had no kids and in the absence of no kids, the family takes over.

She can sell those properties if she wanted or her kids can, but not inlaws. He simply has no say or link to these properties. A total stranger.

Owologbo:
Forget that guy make him de claim know know.
The OP father wants make them tell am him story.
He wants to claim another family's property.

As far as we they concern, he no get any say for the woman town.

Leave all those ones when they quote law. Make them marry our sisters make them try this nonsense. Na otapiapia we go use for them.

Lol

Biglittlelois:
So women inheriting properties is seen as confusion? You are really proud of the obvious bias, SMH

@bolded is that the point of this thread? Do you think an inherited ancestral property from the husband's side will be passed to the wife if he dies? It will instead be given to the offsprings.

A woman defending injustice being melted on her and demonizing a culture that gives her equal right.

Lol. Isn't this amazing? Surprised that came from a female. Like some low-key enjoy being suppressed.

Biglittlelois:
Kudos to your culture, I love the fairness accorded to all involved regardless of the gender, nice one.

Thank you. Everyday I try to make people understand that not all African culture are misogynist.

Me for example, I can go to my maternal grandmother's home and ask for what's due to me and I will be given. They consider me a son of the family just like everyone else.

Ikem11:
Brother in legitimate marriage and especially when it comes to property dispute, kinsmen don't matter once the case goes to court.

Even in village properties we still have customary courts that handles such cases.

This boy is just a son without a will from her mother. What right does he have over his father who married his father? Sometimes you kids make a silly mistakes.

You say kinsmen don't have say in family/inherited properties? Do you know the name on those properties?

Lol.

thebosstrevor1:
Even if his name is not written on the property, it is a family asset that is being passed from generation to generation.

The offsprings owns the property not the father.

I don't even know what's hard to understand here.

princeeze1:
It means you did not read what Op said. He said ”my mom’s properties pass down to her by her parents and even grand parents”. He never in any way insinuated it was family properties. He even in the original thread stated that his mother’s family initially tried to encroach but backed out because he was in the fray. We have ancestral or family lands belonging to all extended family. It is different from what a parent particularly acquired and passed down to his child, male/female.

The OP has always said ancestral land in involved. Didn't you read the part he said his uncle can't even sell his portion because it was inherited? These lands were inherited from their forebears, making it a family property only accessible to blood relatives.

Mariangeles:
So, what will happen to those lands/properties eventually?
Will you return them to your mother's ancestral home, or will you become part of your mother's family to keep them?
Wouldn't you have to bear your mother's family name to keep them (in the family)?

You are automatically a member of your mom's family the moment she gave birth to you and everything accrued to that family must be shared to you.

You don't need to change your surname. Once the family knows you are a child of their sister, they give you what's due to you. No one, I repeat, no one can cheat you out.

Urhobo culture is beautiful.

bukatyne:
@bold:

Interesting.

Is this your cultural practice or obtainable for all ancestral land?

Yes. It's obtainable for all ancestral lands. Wether male or female, Lands are distributed equally to all offsprings. It passes down from a Father/Mother to his/her Sons/Daughters and so on.

Culturally, you can't even cheat a woman when it comes to ancestral properties, her interest and that of her children is very well protected.

princeeze1:
What I stated is an unemotional and unbiased statement of the law. So long the properties belong to her mother legally. It becomes transferable to his father because she died intestate. Carefully read this screenshot to the end. You will see that your customs will not be regarded if it becomes a litigation. It says the law will take preeminence over any customary law. Mind you, I am not in support of his father’s actions, as it’s shameful in itself.

The property belongs to the entire Family and are typically registered under it's name... a part was given to everyone including OP's mother and since she is resting in the lord, her inheritance falls to her offsprings which the entire family acknowledge as their own. In the absence of no kids, the family redistribute the properties to other blood relatives. Infact, you can't tussle things out without fighting the entire family.

There is no legal way you can argue this. Family property belongs to the family.

princeeze1:
It does not change the fact that your father and yourself lawfully owns the properties in question. If he chooses to pursue legally, the disposition of your maternal family will take back seat with respect to the law. He is the surviving partner where a spouse died intestate. If your mother died testate, all this would have been avoided. In a reverse scenario if your mother survived your dad, and your dad left an estate behind, who owns the estates in the absence of a valid will? Answer this and find the answer to your riddle.
Now, to your issue, morally(not legally) it is wrong for your dad to want to sell off the properties not due to a heavy pressing financial/health challenge, but rather for frivolities. Where parents are thinking of how to ensure the security of the future of their kids and grandchildren, he is busy trying to deplete the one he did not even personally plant.

His father doesn't own a pin. This is an ancestral property and quite different from properties acquired during the course of their marriage. Also, it will be near impossible to trade off such properties because they are generally managed and looked upon by the Ekru (Family) of which OP is a part of. Family properties are not your typical 100*100 piece of land.

The OP's father is no even regarded as a member of that family (in the literal meaning), so how then does he have access to such property?

GraciousGod190:
No bro, if not I won't be here.

No wonder for the weird behavior. I'm glad your maternal family schooled him.

And stop arguing with these guys that know nothing about customs/traditions and inheritance.

GraciousGod190:
Oniovo, emo

You are even a brother, no wonder you have this fierce spirit.

Don't let anyone bend or blackmail you. You are on the right path and I believe our ancestors are solidly behind you. Never have I seen in our land where an in-law has a say over inherited properties of his wife. It has never happened anywhere.

Such properties are normally passed to her offspring(s). These things are even tabled during the burial of the woman.

Isn't your dad Urhobo too?

immortalcrown:
I have been vindicated once again. The kindred only cautioned your father not to sell the property because the kindred's tradition does not permit the selling of such property. But the kindred did not say you have more right than your father over the property.

Your argument was the property is your right. I told you your father owns the property. I said he owns the property despite the fact that his attempt to sell the property is bad. Fools disagreed with me.

The Father has no single right over such property. The moment he makes any funny move, the properties will be seized by the woman's family in collaboration with the OP.

These are inhiritance not something built during the course of their marriage. Only a direct offspring like the OP has legitimate claim to theses lands and properties.

Had OP's mother never given birth, the woman's family will repossess those properties.

GraciousGod190 kudos for standing up. May God give you more wisdom.

itaewon:
ihentuge
ezenerbor
osaze
chisom
ikokoh
uzideme
amalohi
omoh
efetobere
akahomhe
akpoebi
aghoho



I might not get the spelling but I think anybody that have a clue should be able to get it.
I definitely know osaze is Bini name and chisom is Igbo name because of prefix "chi".

ihentuge - Bini
ezenerbor - Bini
osaze - Bini
chisom - Igbo
ikokoh - Bini
uzideme _ Igbo
amalohi - Bini
omoh - Bini
efetobere - Urhobo
akahomhe - Bini
akpoebi - Ijaw/Urhobo
aghoho - Urhobo

WBworldwide:
My sisters' are interested but my own elder brother is not even showing up for meetings or saying anything. I was brought into this matter when i went home with a female friend and saw the house under lock and key.

D idiot is even making claims to d now pregnant dog I bought for my dad when d house help stopped coming cos my mum was working... ?

Lol, laid claims to your dog too? Sorry I had to laugh, but the dude is one hell of a brother. Hahahahaha.

Handle the whole issue with maturity, so far, he can't do anything with those seized documents and the family won't dare cede everything to him.

I salute oniovo.

WBworldwide:
my father's name. As it is now, no single house document has been found.

Be rest assured, he can't claim all property. The house your dad built for his mom will be shared to you all.

Yes, your dad's flat rightfully belongs to him but he can't claim all properties. All my years of living, I have never seen or heard where a senior son in Urhobo land lay claims of all his late Father's property.

Wait till your dad's burial is done. And please take care of yourself. Mind what you eat and drink. This is going to be a tough ride.

WBworldwide:
The dad lived with us before he died... The eldest son lived at the other compound that was allocated to her mom.

Pertaining to the issue of the eldest son being in charge of the flat my dad lived, that's where d issue is coming from.

Quite tricky, if you dad lived in your flat before his death, then I fear he has a say in that property.

The room and parlour of the late father always go to the first son, this has been the custom of the Urhobos, However, other properties will be shared equally. In what name did you dad built those other properties? (The one your half-brothers are living).

Ulunne777:
How can a first son(¹ person) be the sole heir to a property(s) when there are more than 17 others.

What is even wrong with ppl and customs?

It is outright greed and those elders are just looking out for their stomachs.

This is not custom. In Urhobo land, every one is treated equally. Something else is happening.

Even if the other wives gave birth to only daughters, the property of the late father will be shared equally amongst all kids.

I believe WBworldwide's siblings aren't interested in those properties.

WBworldwide:
I'm an Urhobo

Your elder brother can't inherit all property.

Lands and property will be shared to all three "GATES", However, your dad's flat (The house he stayed before his death) belongs to your elder brother.

Do not fret, properties will be shared equally and even if your mom had only daughters for your dad, their interest will be protected by the Ekru.

In Urhobo culture, everyone is equal when it comes to inheritance. Be it Boy, girl, last born, first born...