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jimyjames:They may have same source, but Ofe Akwu is entirely different from the Banga soup made in the Delta, different ingredients, methods and tastes differently. And besides Igbos don't eat starch (if you have been to the east, you will notice how starch are being disposed easily) not to talk of combining such with Banga, banga for most easterners goes with rice, but the OP made mention of Banga soup and Starch. |
pozehnani:You probably haven't tested Banga soup before, I mean the one from the Delta. Banga is one of Urhobo's major meal that when diluted with starch, you'd forget your worries and sorrows. Banga soup no get mate for naija. |
baconline:We do not need to export, let's meet our local demands, we import most steels used in constructions, Nigeria is a developing nation, so there will always be need for steel. |
alphaNomega:We had Aladja steel company that produced 900k metric tones of billets and 300k metric tones of rolled product when it was operational until its collapse in the last 90's. So yes, we had a steel industry. |
There's is need for us to have our steel plants working if we are serious about an industrial revolution in the nearest future. During the 80's when Delta Steel company was functional, alot of Nigerians were occupied and the economy of Warri and its environs benefited heavily from it. It's been decades since its collapse and no one has shown any series attempts in getting these plants operational. Would love to hear inputs from Nigerians on this. |
CSTRR:The Shah was no better, it's funny you called Iran a backward nation. We are talking of a county under decades of crippling sanctions, under sanctions, they built a self reliant country, they became one of the strongest nation in the region, if not for Big brother (US), no nation in the region can dare counter Iran. Thing with you blacks is that you let religion cloud your sense of reasoning. You can't think properly when religion is mentioned, the reason you call Iran backward is because it's being ruled by Islamic clerics, not because they are backward in the real sense. Scientifically, no nation in the region, except Israel and Turkey can match them, the Arabs even with all the support they are getting, still laggs behind. The Islamic mullahs are dickheads, but they have done well in taking the nation to a whole new heights. |
ransomed:Akwa Ibom can't match Delta, Edo and Ondo, seeing his 70% claims, I just laughed out so loud. |
Igboid:Don't tell me you believe this paid agent's claims that Akwa Ibom produces 70% of Nigeria's palm oil. Where do you place Delta? Edo? Ondo? Abia? Delta has more wild groove than Akwa Ibom, no way a state produces 20% of Nigeria's total output not to talk of a whooping 70%. Nigerians and fake statistics ![]() |
Hammyaladin:Us not being productive killed the economy, during the early 80's, we had several industries, so we imported less, meaning little stress on the naira. But in the early 90's, due to corruption and mismanagement, several companies collapsed, leading to Nigeria depending on the dollar to import every gaddam thing, including steel and petroleum. The result, a weak naira and a poorer population. If we don't fix power, start an industrial revolution, in the year 2050, a thousand naira will on get you a bag of sachet water. |
Never knew Ondo state has gas deposits, I know of bitumen and crude oil but not gas. What happened to Ondo state? During the early 20's and 30's the state was leading in palm oil production, that was when palm oil trade funded the Nigerian economy. It was during that time that the Urhobos migrated heavily to the Ikale part to exploit the palm oil business. Crude oil made us all lazy, we abandoned agriculture, killed all companies and started importing everything. Then we wonder why poverty level kept on increasing. |
I notice houses built in the west last very long. Hardly will you find a house this aged in Nigeria still standing tall. The 80years old building in my town is almost dead, how do they do it? What are we not doing? |
Duru1:Thanks for the correction, will look into this. I know the commanders had powers but never knew they didn't take instructions from the governor. |
Duru1:Lol, sorry had that laugh, that was the 1966 counter coup, Dimka was vexed at how Major Ogbemudia handled him prior to his release, so he organized some soldiers who chased him till he escaped at Ondo. He was clearly outnumbered, that doesn't take away his brave deeds during the Midwest invasion as that's our center of discussion. Ejoor deployed soldiers when he was the governor, during the police action, he had some barricade set in Asaba, but due to the fact that majority of the commanders were loyal to the East, they didn't follow his instructions. But he was still in charge, his unwillingness to side any part almost cost him his life. |
jimyjames:Assassination was just simply impossible, like I have said earlier, Ejoor had escaped several attempts on his life, he could have been killed during the coup but managed to escaped. He was smart, intelligent and proactive and having Ogbemudia as the Quarter-guard commander was a plus to his life. Not all Midwest Igbo Soldiers were loyal to Ojukwu, it was Lt. Col. Ochei that specifically attacked the Government house in Benin, Ogbemudia got info of the attack and replaced the guards who later defended Ejoor. After the war, Lt. Col. Ochei was tried by the Nigerian Army Headquarters for involving in a coup d'etat against the Midwestern region of Nigeria. Ogbemudia never ran away, he fought a guerilla warfare till support came in, a bounty was placed on his head, even at that, he raised thousands of soldiers who later went on offensive. So yes, he was a hero of the Midwesterners. Killing or capturing Ejoor was never or part of the military objectives of the biafrans as you claim, the invasion into Midwest was as easy as a walk in a park, it was never a war zone or a war target, And if you claim only the igbo speaking parts sent a message of support to ojukwu , why didn't the biafrans kill all the elders chiefs of this other tribes for refusing to support them, ojukwu was not that stupid to kill Ejoor, what exactly will he tell the people of Midwest and the international communities for killing Ejoor, cause there were already propaganda by the Nigerian government that ojukwu forced the minority tribes in the eastern Region to join biafran against their will, killing Ejoor could have confirmed the accusation as true, ojukwu was not that stupidI'm not claiming anything, we are discussing about history and I'm vast with what happened in my region decades ago. No Urhobo, Isoko, Isan, Bini or Ijaw chief sent any support to anybody. These people maintained neutrality from the beginning of the whole crisis. Kill elders for refusing to support them? This logic is lame, these part I mentioned were neutral till the very end, they never sent any help to anybody, don't rewrite our history. |
In jimyjames: And I repeat the biafrans were never out to kill Ejoor, if they were out to kill Ejoor the Midwest igbos who worked hand in hand with the biafrans could have done that long before the invasion into MidwestHow can that be possible when guards at the government house were mixed and commanded by Ogbemudia? one of biafran Biggest threats was Godwin ISAMA ALABI the biafrans were after him just like you claim were after Ejoor, they captured ALABI why didn't they kill him?You know little about the Midwest invasion, the most wanted man after Ejoor was Ogbemudia, Alabi was already a commander at Asaba garrison and he already had some links and wasn't that much a threat. Are you aware most elders and chiefs in Midwest were already sending messages of support to ojukwu back in Enugu, Ejoor was not that important, 90% of the Midwest soldiers were Midwest igbos and Ejoor had no control over themBy MOST, you mean more than 50% of chiefs and elders from the then Midwest were sending support to Enugu? What's up with Nigerians and their love for picking statistics from the air? The Midwest had lots of tribes which includes Urhobo, Bini, Isoko, Igbo, Itsekiri, Ijaw, Isan and it was only the Igbo speaking people who sent in support to Enugu, Others maintained the neutrality stand and didn't want to partake any conflicts until they were forced to, so how does this translate to MAJORITY? And also, 90% of the Midwest soldiers weren't Midwest igbo, but majority of the commanders were, about 75%, so it was hard for Ejoor to control, but not withstanding, the region had fewer soldiers, it was the weakest. What was the gain in killing a coward like Ejoor?Lol.. He called Ejoor a coward . Ejoor was not in the plan I repeat the biafrans were not out to kill Ejoor, ojukwu can not send 5'000 soldiers across Midwest just to kill Ejoor who didn't even have up to 200 guards under him, while Nigerian troops were advancing to capture EnuguCapturing Ejoor was part of the military objective of the invading soldiers. This was war not a romantic movie, accept reality. |
jimyjames: the biafrans were not out to kill Ejoor if they were they could have killed himI repeat again, they couldn't succeed in killing him, his escape from the government house was a big blow to those who wanted his head. the plan given to banjo was reach Lagos the capital of Nigeria not to remain in Midwest and cause any harm to them or turn it to a battle Ground as you call itIf the plan was to capture Lagos, why did some Biafran troops dash to the government house even when the Midwest pose no threat to anyone and had no standing officers except some few guards in the government house who protected Ejoor? why was a puppet governor appointed in the Midwest? What was the connection between Midwest and Lagos? Midwest gave little resistance, aside from the few hours gun fire, it was Overran easily. They could have continued with their journey to Lagos without any further drama in the region. if to say the biafrans captured Ejoor the highest they could have done was take him to ojukwu in Enugu, cause ojukwu for a long time wanted to speak with EjoorCommunicating with Ejoor wasn't an issue, before the invasion, Ojukwu had asked Ejoor for his collaboration and he simply refused. Both weren't in a good terms and you think if Ojukwu had got hold of him, he'd give him a pat on his back? LOL, common, we are talking of war not some romantic game. Every general will avoid being captured by a not too friendly opponent. at last banjo found out were Ejoor was hiding and secretly met and spoke with him without informing ojukwu back at Enugu, according to banjo's confession , he met with Ejoor and asked him to be an intermediary between him and chief awolowo but Ejoor declined to take the riskThere was already a distrust between Banjo and Ojukwu, he was disappointed that Ojukwu didn't inform him of his plan to capture Ejoor, so how then do you expect him to relate to Enugu about his meeting with a man they wanted to kill behind his back? |
jimyjames:Allow me make some contributions. I think you got everything wrong with the Midwest invasion, I understand when we tell stories, we tend to say what's favourable to us. Lets start from here Ejoor ran away out of panic Had ejoor not escaped Benin, he would have been killed, he didn't run out of panic but to secure his life. Ejoor's saving grace was the fact that Ogbemudia had changed the guard detail at the Government House, a day before the Biafran troops came in. So the soldiers on duty weren't in the original plan to hand over him to the invaders, they put up some few hours resistance, giving Ejoor the opportunity to escape, how he did that is still a mystery to many, but that wasn't the first time he had escaped an assassination attempt. Ejoor narrowly escaped death (from Majors Anuforo and Ifeajuna) at the Ikoyi Hotel in Lagos, 1966. He also slipped out of an attempted kidnap during the burial of Major General Aguiyi-Ironsi at Umuahia on Jan 20, 1967. Dude was regarded as a man with nine lives. While the invasion was going on, Banjo wasn't aware because that wasn't the initial plan, Ejoor being from the non-igbo part of the region had rejected Ojukwu's offer to join him in the war, his rejection and refusal lead to the Biafran troops dashing into the government house to get him dead or alive. and his ill will for the Biafrans no one was after him Ejoor had no ill will for anybody, Ejoor's only crime was the fact that he requested his region be excluded from any battle and as at then, he spoke for the interest of his people. The Midwest had just got independence from the western region and supporting Ojukwu would bring his people under an indirect rule of the Biafran government, let's not forget how the Midwest could be quickly turned into a battle field should he throw his support on any party, no sane leader will fight for the interests of others when his own interests isn't guaranteed. if the biafrans were after him they had all the chances to kill himThey had no chance, Bringing Ejoor's head would have been a boost to the invasion, Ejoor and a hand-few of soldiers fought till he got a way to escape. During an interview years after the war, Ejoor revealed how a Benin family saved him... I will find the link and attach to this post. One man who fought like a lion during the war was Ogbemudia, few days after the invasion, Ejoor went into hiding, while Ogbemudia remained, he raised locals in guerilla warfare, fought till federal troops came in with support. Many accounts of the Midwest invasion corroborate with this. |
ImpregnaTor:Stop underrating India, the country has done well, over the past few decades they have withnesed huge success in many fields. There is a high probability that the drugs you took last was made in India. |
Logan23:The population of Itsekiri alone in the last census was 800-1million, I don't know where you got this stats from, regardless, Urhobo is the largest ethnic group in the state, so definitely they would top considering also their polygamous nature. I said I don't know the meaning of Anibeze, it might have a different meaning in Igbo, for example, "Agege" is used by lagosians but in Urhobo, it has a special and different meaning. Ethnic groups in southern Nigeria one way or the other share some few lexicons by the way. |
Logan23:The Ijaws have been in Ondo state for ages, even before obasanjo was born, during the Urhobo exploration in Ondo, they documented how they met indigenous ijaw people in the state, I created a thread about our migration to Ikale and the significant ijaw population in Ondo, this was in the early 1900's, so this your narrative is false. https://www.nairaland.com/5916221/look-urhobo-migration-okitipupa-other By 1931 the Ikale occupied an area of about 1,261 square km and out of a population of 60,902 in this territory, 25% were Urhobo. Apart from lkale there were llaje (also a Yoruba people) and ljo indigenes in Okitipupa Division.@Bolded, that was Ijo/Ijaw population in old Ondo state before it was divided, so you can see that they were indigenes and have lived side by side with other yoruboid groups before OBJ was born. Logan23:During the last census, the Urhobos were 2.5million, that was in 2006, so by now, they should have increased in numbers. Also the population of Delta state is almost 6million. Logan23:Can't really tell the meaning of Anibeze, the word is deeply rooted in Isoko. |
Sanchez01:Sanctions might also force us to look inwardly but the effect of that on us will be so devastating that I pray in my lifetime never to experience such. Over the past few decades we missed so many opportunities to stay independent... corruption, nepotism, over dependent on others and poor planning brought us to this sorry state. A nation that is not ashamed of importing everything. It will take us another 2 decades of hardwork and proper planning for us to stand on our feet. |
samx4real:What part of Delta state if I may ask? |
HellVictorinho:Sad reality, but nothing wrong in hoping for the best. |
cocolacec:Till date, most Nigerians do not see the need for mass industrialization. We can't defeat poverty with this current export crude, import everything mentality. If we can't compete with others in the African market, let's saturate our local markets with our products. We have no business importing steel, fuel etc. I pray we get things right. |
pazienza give spacing and paragraphs so the OP won't be tiring to read. GuyWise101:I quite understand how you feel but this problem isn't faced by your people alone, for example the Urhobo/Isoko people speak similar language, bear similar names and have same culture and traditions but despite these glaring similarities, an Isoko man will never accept the Urhobo tag same way an Urhobo man will never accept the Isoko tag. We also have similar with the Anang/Efik/ibibio people. |
slawormiir:Urhobo/Isoko bears Erabor too. |
ifytrik:Some of you can barely hide your religious bigotry, If you think this is all about Christian and Muslim, then you shouldn't talk about international politics. If he was against Muslims, why romancing with other rich Arab nations? Even some suspected to be the sponsor of Wahhabism and Salafism. Wail all you want, Americans have decided and Biden will rule for the next four years... |
privaldo:Nice analysis, but Iran isn't the perfect partner we need ATM, we have a fragile economy, any little sanction from the west might put us in a very bad state, example is Lebanon. Allowing Iran into our space will send a wrong signal. And besides, they are not interested in what really goes on in Africa, their major goal is to dominate the middle East. We can learn a two from them... admire their scientific growth despite the many challenges and also how they kept nepotism far away from important sectors e.g military/defense. @bolded, China might not be the perfect partner also, topic for another day. I wish we look more inwardly whilst keeping an open relationship with everyone. |
Etinosa1234:Okolo/Okoro is an Edoid word, I don't know why people think otherwise. Other Edoid groups in Delta state make use of the name e.g Okoro-Odudu (Okorodudu) - Black Man |
Happy new year to you all and to my nairaland family. cc: Kemicalreact, dermmy, kemicalreact, Ladyhippolyta88, atheistandproud, Sanchez02, Konquest, onuwaje, Sanchez01, fratermathy & Brightgem. Welcome to 2021. |
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