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Igboid:
"After federal forces take over Benin, troops killed about 500 Igbo civilians after a house to house search with the aid of willing locals” (Washington Morning Post, 27 September, 1967)

“Federal troops killed or stood by while mobs killed more than 5000 Ibos in Warri, Sapele, Agbor (New York Times, 10th January, 1968)"

You are saying that the above quotes by international bodies, supported by eye witness a accounts of some Anioma people not yet infected with Bini Stockholm syndrome is a lie?

The federal troops also carried out those crimes in Agbor, do you also want to accuse Bini of this? When the federal troops came in, there was little or nothing the locals could do, were you expecting them to engage a fully armed troops from the federal angle? Even the Ogbemudie that led the Bini guerilla tigers also had Anioma link, so how could Bini commit such a crime against one of their own?

Nope. The problem Midwesterners of non Igbo origin had with Ojukwu had more to do with Ojukwu removing Ejoor and not replacing him with another non Igbo Midwesterner. They claimed Anioma people went about boasting to them that they are now in charge of the region after Okonkwo was appointed by Ojukwu, and they became filled with resentment towards Anioma people and Easterners.
I doubt they have problem with Igbo interference in their affairs afterall they had no problem when NCNC worked hard to pull them from Western region and in return made them the offer to accept Osadebey as the Premier or give up the capital City of the region. They happily Chose the capital City and was happy to concede the premiership to Igbos.
Midwest was not alien to Easterner interference. Their grouse this time was that they wanted to keep the capital and still keep the headship of the region under Ejoor, which Ojukwu altered.

NCNC's involvement in the Creation of midWest region was to weaken the then AG, it was a give and take situation between the minorities in the western region and the NCNC group in the eastern region.

The division was only possible because of the total compliance of all ethnic groups, but in the case of the 1967 event, the minorities wanted non of that and it was arrogant to impose a leader on them. It had nothing to do with the origin of Okonkwo. During the Midwest invasion, some positions were allotted to some minorities, but that didn't change the perception of the minorities who saw it as an attempt to subdue and coerce them into an indirect rule of the eastern region.

It was simply interest clashing and sadly, nothing has changed till this very moment.

And nope. Bini people are intent on ressurecting their Bini Empire and that involves annexing Anioma.
They are all over Anioma forums planting Igbophobic seeds in the people and looking to have them accept Midwest republic with Oba Bini as the ruler.

The Bini empire is long gone and dead, no Delta group in modern age will let an Oba rule over them. Like I've hinted, Bini is fast losing its grip on these non-edoid group in Delta state.

It's not business as usual.

Igboid:
The Binis went house to House in Benin city pointing out Igbos in Bini who were mainly Anioma people, for Nigerian Army to massacre.

This is a lie sha. Bini never did any of such.

Recently a Bini man came to Enu-ani forum on Facebook to preach Midwestern republic, Enu-ani people there reminded him of how Bini Massacred them.

Secondarily, Binis led the revolt against appointment of Dr Okonkwo, an Anioma man as the military governor of the Midwest by Ojukwu after Biafran forces invaded the region.
They called Okonkwo an Igbo man and saw his appointment as Igbo domination.

There was a distrust between the Non-igboid groups in Midwest and Ojukwu. It was near impossible for these guys to submit to a man who takes instruction directly from the east, what this means was that, Midwest will automatically become a vassal state of the East.

If you can keep emotions aside, you will know they did nothing wrong, humans will always fight for their interests and it was in the best interests of the Edoid groups to maintain their semi-sovereignty after receiving it hot from the then western region.

But today,Edo people are telling us that Anioma people are now Bini people.

I don't even think Binis are interested in Anioma, they just want to maintain their cultural and historical links. Present reality on ground suggests these groups won't tag along with them, their best bet in Delta state remains the Urhobos, Isokos and maybe Itsekiri (but this is highly debateable, not with the recent Omoba crisis that saw the Itsekiris leaning towards their western ancestry).



If you can keep emotions aside, then I'm open for debate regarding the Midwest and its role in the 1960's

CardiNice:
... An average person from delta state and Edo speaks Yoruba language very fluently, infact apart from English and our normal Edo, ijaw, urhobo, isoko and itsekiri language, our third most spoken language of the people of Niger Delta is the "Yoruba language"
You can take this to the bank and cash it anytime any day.

The average person in Edo and Delta state do not speak Yoruba, yes there are some yoruboid groups in these territory, but they do not make up 2/10th of the entire population. The major language spoken in Delta and Edo is Urhobo, and it is a branch of the Edoid language.

For example if you go to mile two, mile twelve, Berger and the rest, most of the people, most of the guys you will see in those bus stops particularly in transport companies, most of them are from delta state and Edo ( urhobos In particular)

Urhobo has a large population in western states, they was because of the early palm oil boom and agricultural trade that dominated the region in the early 90's, most didn't return to their homeland after that but decided to remain and mix with the locals.

But the way they speak Yoruba, you will think they are Yorubas.
Contrary to the normal general believe that lots of Igbos are in lagos, apart from the Yorubas who are the legit owners of Lagos State, the second highest concentration of people in lagos state are the people from delta state and Edo.

This is debateable

In Osun, Oyo, Ondo and the rest states of the Yoruba nation, the second most concentrated people in those states are the urhobos and the people from delta and Edo.

Have you been to Ile ife? There are more urhobos in Ile ife than in the entire south east.

Like I've hinted earlier, the Urhobos are the biggest ethnic group in the Niger Delta, during the 90's a lot migrated to Western Nigeria for Agro farming and business, in Ondo for example, the Urhobos ran the palm oil industry, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to discover a huge population of them in these Eastern yoruboid territory.

The people of delta state and Edo are like twins to the Yoruba nation.
Africa magic Yoruba has the highest viewers from delta state and Edo even more than some Yoruba states, only Lagos top us when it comes to Africa magic Yoruba.
This is not mere propaganda or some lies, i am writing raw facts here.
The people of Niger Delta, delta and Edo and yourbas have this Lionel Messi/Suarez kind of relationship. The love is Genuine.

Where did you get this stats from?

Do you know that 50% of people from delta, Bayelsa and Edo grew up in south west?

Have you been to ore?

Majority of the older generation grew up in western states, but not the newer generation.

Oga op be calming down.

Pierocash:
I don't have to date all to know how they are,I have seen several relationship aside mine, it was same outcome with them.

Very unmindful lots

My point is, hasty generalization is bad. You could have dated some not so good Edo ladies, but we still have so many who are upright.

Pierocash:
Edo girls are the worst to date.

They are feminists, uncaring,selfish,materialistic , and have this entitlement mentality.

They hardly make good wives

Talking from experience

So you dated all Edo girls before coming to this conclusion?

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sageb:
which community in ughelli is fighting omo Agege kinsmen?

Between Iwhreko and Ekiugbo, don't know if it has been resolved.

Neobulletzz:
It is spelt correctly, “Efejevwie”
the meaning is just always confusing

Some say something like “it is good to born wealth” or “wealth still dey born” or like the more you are wealthy, the more you give birth”
I have heard different things sha but wealth is certainly there

Efe-Je-Vwie - Wealth is benefiting to give birth to

Efe-Ju-Vwie - Youthful wealth.

Best translation I can give.

Igboid:
Stop creating non existent history.

Efe is not a native Ukwuani name. It is an Edoid name.
Efi means cow and has no relationship whatsoever with Efe which means wealth in Urhobo.
The only relationship between Urhobos and Ukwuani are those expected of people who share boundaries.
They intermarried and co inhabited together.

You would have to be unstable to be suggesting a shared origin between Urhobo and Ukwuani.
I mean,an Urhobo man can never understand an Ukwuani man language even though they are neighbors without learning it from scratch.
A man from Imo state would only need a few hours of adaptation to intonation to understand Ukwuani man.

So because Efe is Edoid that automatically means the Oral history from Ukwuani and Orogun which states that the father of Orogun is related to Amai, Umukwata and Abbi should be disregarded?

Why do you insist that an Igboid group must not in anyway be related to Urhobo or Edo despite glaring facts and historical evidence?

If I want to know more about the Orogun Or Amai people, I will seek knowledge from people from that territory, not some from a faraway land that seeks to distort history just for some political gains.

Igboid:
How is Ukwuani distinct from Igbo in everyway?
Are you okay at all?

Can you point were I said Ukwuani is distinct from Igbo? Heck, I was referring to the Urhobo/Isoko whom one of your brother grouped under Igbo. Why can't you correct your people when they dish out wrong information but jump at messages aimed at correcting these falsehoods? Isn't this hypocritical?

You are here trying to claim that an obviously Igboid community like Umukwata even with the quintessential Igbo prefix of naming places "Umu" in-situ is descended from Urhobos.
But Igbos are supposed to be the ones forcing identity on others, eh kwa?

Orogun is maternally Ukwuani. This is common knowledge. The founders of Orogun were Urhobo men who married Ukwuani women. That's how Ukwuani creeped into Orogun.

I would wager that the Ukwuani women also invited some of their Ukwuani brothers to live with them and interbreed with Urhobos in Orogun and that have given rise to the bilingual nature of the town.

I don't know where you get your historical facts from, but history states that the father of Orogun, Efe is related to Amai, Abbi and Umukwata. Any Orogun or Abbi indigene can confirm this.

Similar thing happened to the Ijaw founders of Ofoni who married so much Urhobo women who invited their Urhobo brothers to come live with them for security, so much that the population of the Urhobo brothers overwhelmed those of the original Ijaw founders, and Ofoni ( an Urhobo speaking community in Bayelsa) is today Urhobo speaking, even though they maintain they are Ijaws, because the founder of the town was an Ijaw man from Tarakiri clan of Ijaw who married an Urhobo woman.

Ofoni is different from Orogun, in Orogun, the Urhobos were able to maintain their language and identity despite centuries of ties with their Ukwuani cousins. But in Ofoni, they somehow managed to speak 100% Urhobo, how can a community that speaks 100% Urhobo be Ijaw? Isn't this fraudulent?

Are you aware Edwin Clark's village is also bilingual? Why then are they regarded as Ijaw and the Urhobos in Ofoni that speak 100% Urhobo aren't Urhobos?

@Bolded, even the ijaws don't regard Ofoni as one of them except when they want to play politics, or why did you think they voted massively for the opposition party? They never wanted an Urhobo deputy governor.

Neobulletzz:
Efewestern abeg just help me with the meaning of this name EFEJEVWIE in English

I don't know if you spell this correctly, but I can translate it to "Youthful wealth".

kmcutez:
What happens to the married man if he cheats? Will the gods also pay him a visit?

An African man is entitled to marry as many women as he so pleases. Don't act like you don't know much about African traditions.

Ishilove:
Isn't history absolutely delightful?

Very

Normally, some of us would have done justice to this topic, but time, work, life etc etc. doesn't give one the luxury of time to gather historical facts like we do in time past.

Ishilove:
Umukwata, means children of 'Ukwata', so since the eldest child was Umukwata, then there is no way a man can be called 'Umu' (children) which is the plural form of 'nwa' (child). You see my point?

The annual festival of masquerades and idols in Abbi is even called 'Ukwata Abbi', so who/what is Ukwata? We will find out.

From this, we can all conclude that Ukwata was the father or ancestral home of Abbi, Amai and Efe/Efi, maybe when his children moved out to create other kingdoms, the Eldest child remained.

If the above holds, then our the next question is, where was Ukwata from? I leave this to Orogun and Ukwuani indigenes to unravel.

Fooolishbuharri:
Yes you're right. Never knew the name is Eriwin. Sometimes it even goes beyond the expected to enforce certain things. I'll give you a story which happened to our neighbor.

Their daughter a teenager at the time started seeing men and began sleeping around. This girl had the guts to sleep with her boyfriends in her parent's matrimonial bed! Then it struck! The mum was struck with madness. Having no history of madness in the family, they went to inquire what caused it and it was revealed what was going on.

Now see the thing. It struck the mother with madness because it saw her as the one doing the act simply because she should have taught her daughter that the bed is sacred. Long story cut short, the appeasement was done, and the girl was thrown out of the home. The father disowned her and they had to leave the environment because it was a very big scandal. So the workings of that thing can be mysterious and unpredictable.

Nowadays, these traditions no longer hold water, I've seen Urhobo women cheat and yet, nothing bad has happened to her familym It all boils down to the modernization of the traditional rites, they purposely omit some important aspects of the culture which I will write on soon.

Yes and it's very serious. A young man was poisoned by his roommate, an Orogun person too. Their houses were just minutes apart back home, over some misunderstanding at school.

The boy's family treated this young man going by the diagnosis the hospital gave being typhoid when they brought him home sick from school. The boy slipped into a coma and died. They didn’t know the cause. The boy was buried immediately and the family left to mourn their dead.

But about a week and half after, this boy who poisoned the other ran out of their home screaming that he'd talk. When asked what happened, he said Erose slapped him. Then he spilled everything that happened and how he poisoned this young man- his roommate. After his confession, he died right there at the spot and that was how everyone knew what happened. I'd have called it a story, if I wasn't a witness.

Orogun people know this which is why Onukpo, Umusu and the other quarters have never ever had a fight or clash since time immemorial because they are siblings and siblings don't kill themselves.

This is a very strong bound but sadly, it only applies to Orogun. Presently there is a communal clashes between some quarters in Ughelli, imagine brothers killing brothers.

Sad.

Ishilove:
They want to co-opt the south-south into their secessionist agenda by fire by force. They have 5 states so let them agitate and manage themselves like that.

I'm not even against whatever they fight for, I just avoid some topics completely, but I find it offensive when you try to erase the identity of some groups who are distinct from you in every way.

You can fight whatever you want to fight without trying to coerce unrelated and uninterested groups. Life shouldn't be hard.

Ishilove:
Chill. An Urhobo man formed Abbi, Amai and Umukwata?? Popsie must hear this as my great-grandfather was a one time Okpala-Uku and my family are custodians of a lot of the oral history of the Ukwuani. I find this very hard to believe

Efe is known as Efi in Ukwuani, Ishi, to be sincere, I can't really say if Efe/Efi was an Urhobo or Ukwuani man, but the Efi character married an Ughelli woman whose descendants formed the Orogun kingdom. The fact accepted by all communities is that, Orogun, Abbi, Amai and Umukwata all came from the same source. I believe Umukwata was the eldest.

You can inquire more from your family and educate some of us, we are willing to learn.

Fooolishbuharri:
This is very true! But if the man knows about it and stops to eat her food and stops to sleep with her, it leaves the man alone I think. Then if the woman confesses to the husband, he must call the family together before the curse can go away. Happens till date.

Eriwin is a very powerful force, if the man knows, he is advised to get the woman packing until some cleansings are done, failure to do so might have great consequences on the kids.

Then I don't know if this also happens in Ukwuani sha but an age long tradition in Orogun is that an Orogun man can never kill another Orogun man or cause him harm, leading to his death. If you do, it's death for the perpetrator and it happens within few weeks. This, I've seen happen!

The oracle of Orogun called Erose is very harsh concerning that because that was what broke Efe their father's home in the first place, when Ogor the first son was moving mad and sought to kill his siblings.

Wow, this is insightful, never knew about this part of the Orogun people.

Fejoku:
This practice was the norm in most of the lower southern area in the past. I was told so by granny and I read it too.

Yes very common, we all share same culture and belief system, language is our only barrier. For example, in Ukwuani, if a married woman cheats on her husband, the gods of the land will visit her family and if she doesn't confesses, her husband or children may die, same with the Urhobos and Isokos.

Omoluabi16:
hallo Are the orogun people from mosogar?

Ishilove:
Fooolishbuharri, Fejoku, Efewestern, can you assist?

Mosogar is an Urhobo Clan, but Orogun never migrated from there, Orogun was founded by the daughter of Efe whose brothers also founded (Owolukpo) Abbi, Amai, and Umukwata. According to Oral history, Efe was a great warrior who fought several wars/battles.

Bialegend:
Urhobo, Isoko, Ika and Ndokwa are Iall Igbos by extension, so what's the fuse?

What do you mean by Urhobo and Isoko are Igbos by Extension? Don't miseducate the general public please, if you have no knowledge about the subject matter, sit aside and learn instead of displaying this level of ignorance.

Fooolishbuharri:
At the bolded, I don't know where you've seen this happen but I can emphatically say no! It's not like that. In the Urhobo tradition, when a man marries a woman, she becomes "his property". So his land becomes hers. So this can only happen if the husband didn’t marry her properly, or her family never gave consent- at least for the cases I've seen, except the woman is a titled woman in her home soil. I will give you an example.

You made some nice submissions, but allow me correct this.

Urhobo women aren't regarded as property to any man, if a woman dies in marriage, even if all rites were performed (Traditional marriage), she will be buried in her father's compound unless her family agreed with the man to let them have her.

This is custom and this is tradition!

family6644:
You are right but I naturally will never see myself doing this, this is the reason for my long explanations, I find myself in the situation, I didn't plan for it or work it out. I never wanted it but note that my kids are involved but I guess now they can see for themselves

Sir, don't use your kids as excuse, you lost your wife just 3 months ago (LOST, not divorce) and you already on another lady, how can someone in a mourning state catch feelings?

The woman is already showing you hell, once you marry her, your kids are done for.

Warripikine:
Urhobo-Isoko

Thought you were Ijaw. Doh Oniovo!

Igboid:
No such murder of Urhobo people happened in Bini City.
[s]Those have always been stories you Urhobos and Edos made up to soothe your conscience in your involvement of massacre of Anioma people in Bini City and in their towns in Delta State when the FG arrived. [/s]
Your stories are usually vague. No name of victims and their village/town, no mention of Biafran unit or officer is ever mentioned.

It's always stories of *my father's friend*, my mother's uncle,my friend's wife.
They are usually kept as vague as possible.

Can you provide proof of the Urhobo's involvement in the Massacre of innocent people in Anioma? Provide names of Urhobo generals, Soldiers, commanders who carried out these crimes. We won't accept such false allegations from your likes.

Let's honor the lives of those who were massacred without you trying to demonize larger ethnic groups in the Delta. Thank you.

PlayMaker14:
I swear... The thing don affect me to the point say I don dey go bald.

Lol, na still the economic situation they make OP they find fault from he wife. Them do us strong thing.

How area?

PlayMaker14:
Oniovo, where you go hide?

Jason don miss you scatter...

Oshare we they one corner, the economy no they let person come online they come sun teeth again

udoji2021:
Explain this more Ma'am,

Are you saying it's normal for pregnant women to act violently and irrational?



Don't blame me cos i went to boys boarding school and become deaf shortly after my secondary education.

Yes, very normal for pregnant women to act weird. Your wife isn't a bad person, just understand and look for ways to sort your financial condition.

You guys will be alright.

Amotolongbo:
GDP is based on the ability of the Citizens to convert the human, land and natural resources of a place to goods and services.

The major makets in Canada is centered in Ontario. So you expect a province which controls the vast land (over 9million square kilometers) and 2nd largest landmass on earth not to exceed that of Nigeria.

Ontario Province in Canada is just like Lagos State in Nigeria. More like the commercial capitals of the two countries

Israel has a landmass almost the size of Delta state, with a population slightly above that of Delta and Edo, yet Israel's output is 20x greater than the entire nation.

Accept the fact, Nigeria isn't a productive nation, infact, African nations aren't productive. We must learn to look inwardly and stop the blame game.

Nigeria is greatly underdeveloped because over the past few decades, we have refused to work on other sectors of the economy, we import basically everything, we give excuse for failure.

Until we tackle the problem from the root, tiny European/American cities will continue to have a bigger GDP

garfield1:
I totally agree with you.same thing in crs where bakassi that usually produce oil is highly undeveloped.in delta,it is mostly the itsekiri,ijaws and isoko that produce oil which is used to develop anioma and urhobo areas.same applies in edo.in ondo,the most backward areas are the oil producing lgas of ilaje and ESE odo.

The Urhobos are the third highest oil producers in Delta State, I agree with you that the major players are being marginalized, for example, most Itsekiri and Ijaw oil producing communities in Delta state are underdeveloped, even the major oil producing communities within Urhobo land is underdeveloped, places like Uvwie produces no drop of oil, but is far developed that Orogun and Kokori that pumps thousands of barrels/day, the whole system is messed up, 13% derivation should go directly to the community. How they make us of the money shouldnt be the concern of any one. But no state governor will ever allow this.

In Edo State, the ijaw and Itsekiri communities are the only oil producing communities, but nothing on ground. In Ondo, the Ilaje area should have good roads interconnecting various creeks, but still same problem.

tribalmall:
Did there is nothing Eastern about Yoruba Itsekiri Edo Ijaw n all other. It is either West or South make you carry your nonsense go front.

Learn to take corrections, took my time to educate you on basics.

Done with this convo.

tribalmall:
I want to believe you mean to write Western here because Itsekiris had nothing to do with the East. Plus they speak Yoruba n not Yoruboid. I know for a fact there language is closer to Yoruba than what is spoken in Ondo n Ekiti state.

Yoruboid - A branch of Yoruba language
Edoid - A branch of Edo language
Igboid - A branch of Igbo language

Eastern Yoruboid - A language spoken in Eastern Yoruba land, like Ikale, Ilaje and Ijebu, the Itsekiris share more in common with these Eastern groups than they share with others.

I hope I'm clear?