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Topccy007:
https://mobile.twitter.com/femiaribisala/status/1272546827779346435

. When Oshiomole wants to contest again his credentials should be examined . as it was done to Diri a serving senator for two times only to be disqualified by SC now.

donyfrank:
I know it won't happen in this country, you can as well call me a dreamer.
But in my opinion, Obaseki is not qualified to run as an APC governor's aspirant in the last election in Edo state in 2016, Since today according to APC he is with a manipulated certificate.

PDP should go to court to reclaim that position, and no election should be conducted this year in Edo state, since the person APC featured in the last election is not qualified..
PDP or the party that came 2nd should take over till 2024.

And both APC, Obaseki and Oshomole should be in jail.

Any petition on the 2016 election is dead on arrival.It is time bound... The PDP has slept over their right of litigation over he case..

donyfrank:
I know it won't happen in this country, you can as well call me a dreamer.
But in my opinion, Obaseki is not qualified to run as an APC governor's aspirant in the last election in Edo state in 2016, Since today according to APC he is with a manipulated certificate.

PDP should go to court to reclaim that position, and no election should be conducted this year in Edo state, since the person APC featured in the last election is not qualified..
PDP or the party that came 2nd should take over till 2024.

And both APC, Obaseki and Oshomole should be in jail.

. Any petition on the 2016 election is dead on arrival.It is time bound... The PDP has slept over their right of litigation over he case..

fergie001:
https://www.thecable.ng/extra-oshiomhole-afraid-of-educated-people-because-he-didnt-go-to-school-says-obaseki/amp?__twitter_impression=true

. Where are the certificate you have found now? Why did you not present them before the screening committee? After the screening why did you not show them?What is the source of two different certificates you presented. Who is lying who is not? In my opinion the more Obaseki talks the more he shoots himself in the leg. I can now see why he said he would not appeal his disqualification.

TheSkyIsRed:
Hello Nairalanders! Please I'm in serious need of your candid advice. Let me go straight to the point.

I've been going through a delimma for some days now. I'm presently working with a microfinance bank and i earn about 40k after tax. Recently, I was offered a job in government house with a salary slightly above my present salary.

In my present place of work, there is job security and I learn a lot on the job although the salary ain't much. In the new job, there is free accommodation but no job security because I'm being employed by the SA (special assistant) to the governor and i won't be getting any official appointment letter.

The problem now is, I'm stuck between the two. I don't know if I'm to go with the new offer or continue with my present job. I don't want to take a decision that I might regret tomorrow. My fear is that I might be sacked at any time because I'm not employed directly by the government but the SA.

I've been thinking about it and i still don't know the best decision to take. So, I decided to seek advice from nairaland cause I know I can get good advice here.

Please I will appreciate your sincere advice and contributions.

. 1. Does the state still have a case at the tribunal appeal and Supreme courts? . 2. Is your job secure in the Microfinance? ...3 Is the man SA to the governor himself ? Is the man himself going to employ you for himself? What does your job with the SA involve? If the SA is dismissed will you still be there? Can you exert influence on the SA later to get you a permanent t job in the government before it ends it tenure? I need answers before giving you my advice.

fergie001:
...... ejimatic!

. Tony momoh is right .As we have been saying since the time the issue started.Obaseki must be blamed for his disqualification.The onus of proof of authenticity of all his credentials lies on him. Even his O level is questionable....Thank you Oga Momoh

fergie001:
I saw the graduation list anyways.
I think the VC & Registrar are supposed to be signatories anyways, don't know how they did it that year.

. I wonder ooo

Dansuqi:
My brother,I can't recall any university ever coming out to say an accused is their graduate except they are asked so.several students of unical and uniuyo have been accused of forgery but these universities never come out to issue press statements until they are formally asked to and they do so with hard proofs like a master list of all their graduates in a particular year.this saved tinubu some years ago.

Yes I Remember that of Tinubu

fergie001:
Please can you post both Certificates?
The one I know is the 1979 own, I think that's the one UI spoke about.

They cannot release what he has in his file because it isn't public property. Even whilst you were in the University, was your file shown or given to someone else? They won't do it unless perhaps he gives the go-ahead in writing.

Institutions won't tell you how he got in.

Can NYSC attain authority on the grade(s) you graduated with in the University, even though you submit a copy of your certificate to them?

Their job is: did you or did you not serve?

The same thing happened with Akinola Olaolu, the sacked rector at Igbajo Poly, who claimed he had his BSc (Lagos), MSc & PhD (Ibadan).

Same was taken to UI...this same Director of Communications, Oladejo, made it public that the man had no degrees from UI.

That's the best they can do but meanwhile, these things aren't difficult. During Buhari's time, some were rumoured to have gone to Cambridge sef to dig more

Exploit loopholes, Get across to that Examination body...and get the findings.

I still believe something is wrong with his papers but not that Certificate. I suspect the O levels....but you need that PROOF.

.I wonder how UI handles the matter anyhow.One certificate with VC as signatory while another has VC and Registrar as the signatories with dififernt dates.I doubt if the UI has his record again for comprehensive clarification.Only the graduation list was properly checked.

[quote author=fergie001 post=90678952]Please can you post both Certificates?
The one I know is the 1979 own, I think that's the one UI spoke about.

They cannot release what he has in his file because it isn't public property. Even whilst you were in the University, was your file shown or given to someone else? They won't do it unless perhaps he gives the go-ahead in writing.

Institutions won't tell you how he got in.

Can NYSC attain authority on the grade(s) you graduated with in the University, even though you submit a copy of your certificate to them?

Their job is: did you or did you not serve?

The same thing happened with Akinola Olaolu, the sacked rector at Igbajo Poly, who claimed he had his BSc (Lagos), MSc & PhD (Ibadan).

Same was taken to UI...this same Director of Communications, Oladejo, made it public that the man had no degrees from UI.

That's the best they can do but meanwhile, these things aren't difficult. During Buhari's time, some were rumoured to have gone to Cambridge sef to dig more

Exploit loopholes, Get across to that Examination body...and get the findings.

I still believe something is wrong with his papers but not that Certificate. I suspect the O levels....but you need that PROOF.
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Dansuqi:
Oga,ui are confused here.the apc is not accusing ui but obaseki.how come in his affidavit he graduated in 1976 and in the actual cert it is 1979

I wonder ooi....I wonder how UI handles the matter anyhow.One certificate with VC as signatory while another has VC and Registrar as the signatories with dififernt dates.I doubt if the UI has his record again for comprehensive clatification.Only the graduation list was properly checked.

Dansuqi:
Oga,ui are confused here.the apc is not accusing ui but obaseki.how come in his affidavit he graduated in 1976 and in the actual cert it is 1979

. I wonder ooi....I wonder how UI handles the matter anyhow.One certificate with VC as signatory while another has VC and Registrar as the signatories with dififernt dates.I doubt if the UI has his record again for comprehensive clatification.Only the graduation list was properly checked.

fergie001:
Please can you post both Certificates?
The one I know is the 1979 own, I think that's the one UI spoke about.

They cannot release what he has in his file because it isn't public property. Even whilst you were in the University, was your file shown or given to someone else? They won't do it unless perhaps he gives the go-ahead in writing.

Institutions won't tell you how he got in.

Can NYSC attain authority on the grade(s) you graduated with in the University, even though you submit a copy of your certificate to them?

Their job is: did you or did you not serve?

The same thing happened with Akinola Olaolu, the sacked rector at Igbajo Poly, who claimed he had his BSc (Lagos), MSc & PhD (Ibadan).

Same was taken to UI...this same Director of Communications, Oladejo, made it public that the man had no degrees from UI.

That's the best they can do but meanwhile, these things aren't difficult. During Buhari's time, some were rumoured to have gone to Cambridge sef to dig more

Exploit loopholes, Get across to that Examination body...and get the findings.

I still believe something is wrong with his papers but not that Certificate. I suspect the O levels....but you need that PROOF.

. The Screen committee reported he submitted two certificates with different dates.You can read more on it too.As you said in your conclusion I agree with you that something is wrong in his academic credentials.....

Dansuqi:
From the governor's body language,it is clear that he forged the degree.at least the bayelsa deputy was bold to display his publicly,why can't this fellow do same

. It bothers me too how he is behaving.

fergie001:
Nothing much.....Baba has moved on as anticipated.
We will see another Smart Adeyemi v Dino Melaye again.

Yes now ..You are right !

fergie001:
..... ejimatic....I told you that this is not the time to rush into this matter with fictitious edited pictures on the internet.

UI has made their point here!

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The matter is becoming more interesting! Where did Obaseki get the second certificate he sumbimitted? The IUI should have released copies of what he has in his file for the public to see.This will clarify how got admission to the university and certificate he received on the purported completion of his programme....More to come on this matter.

ahmedkoded95:
http://saharareporters.com/2020/06/13/revealed-real-reason-edo-governor-godwin-obaseki-was-disqualified-all-progressives

. Finally as I said yesterday Obaseki knows more than all of us and why he said he would not appeal the decision to disqualify him...

fergie001:
I know a federal Univ till now where it will take you over 3 years to get a certificate after graduation.

Very true....in Private Institutions and some parastatals as you likely said, they will give you a 3year period at maximum to provide the Certificate.

For higher degrees, I was asked to get a confirmation of certificate since my Certificate wasn't available, to back up the SoR.

You are suppose to know that our stuffs are one kind.

All the same, Obaseki's case was just a hatchet job though.

WISH EDOLITES WELL MOST IMPORTANTLY.

. You are right ..I agree with you

fergie001:
I know a federal Univ till now where it will take you over 3 years to get a certificate after graduation.

Very true....in Private Institutions and some parastatals as you likely said, they will give you a 3year period at maximum to provide the Certificate.

For higher degrees, I was asked to get a confirmation of certificate since my Certificate wasn't available, to back up the SoR.

You are suppose to know that our stuffs are one kind.

All the same, Obaseki's case was just a hatchet job though.

WISH EDOLITES WELL MOST IMPORTANTLY.

. I agree with you...You are right

fergie001:
My brother.....you are leaving law and adding emotions.

I know Professors in higher Institutions......who still use statement of results....You can quote me.

The idea of we need this and want this....holds no water. If I give you a statement of results and you don't believe it...You can verify from the higher Institution.

And who told you certificates cannot be forged?
Was it not someone that forged a PhD certificate at FIIRO from Benin Rep?
I mean University Certificates. Even when you go for academic interviews in some of the biggest Institutions in this country...some use Statement of Results, you can also verify.

I left a federal university that didn't print my certificate for more than 6 years and I was working in a big company with my SoR. I applied for my 2nd and later third degrees with a statement of results in different first-generation Federal Univs.

Leave that issue.

I wrote neco and I wrote waec, I have reasons for using either...which is my choice. That I don't use one doesn't make me ineligible for further studies or otherwise.

Show us the two certificates, let's peruse. I made that mistake by forming my opinions on an edited results here online on the Bayelsa issue.. I won't do that again.

A University like UI said this man graduated and you are saying they should clarify A or B.... ejimatic....you have left law bayi oooooo.

He has tendered all....if there is anyone you have to counter the one on that link, avail us the opportunity to scrutinise.

. I am still on course. Since the constitution is silent on presentation of certificate or statement of results every screening committee or board can decide on what it wants. In some institutions you will be mandated to produce your certificate at a particular time while others may not not say anything.Same applies in some ministers and other oarastatals...Also the onus of scaling through the screening test lies on the the person being screened. In some situations however confirmation of results is compulsory especially for higher studies as the case may be.The ideal thing is certificates must be ready on graduation like in the foreign countries. Can statement of results and certificate be forged? I agree with you in totality that the answer is YES.

fergie001:
Well, you have said it all...but the University's Registrar has openly declared that he was a former Student there and duly graduated.

I left that University and till now haven't obtained my Certificate ....my UG took me 6 years before I got a Certificate.

Whilst so many reasons can premise on negligence...this cannot be adduced as reasons for disqualification especially when the authority has attested same. (In name and in writing).

I know an institution where October last year made it a decade without convocation. I mean a State Polytechnic.
So what have her graduates been using?

I have also said that all these certificates presented to the Committee are in public domain.

https://www.nairaland.com/5911804/apc-releases-obasekis-waec-result
I will be awaiting your inputs Sir...

The case is clear as water.
Certificate issuance is necessary for confirmation of. statement of results.We tend to have more belief in the former than the latter.That is why usually during screening certificate is preferable. The UI registrar ought to clarify double certificates different names and signatories on them. I read the link you gave and it made me wonder why the governor did not simply use O level if it is genuine with a certificate as a basis of his qualification. Why the use of HSC which has no value in Nigerian constitution ?The Governor knows more than all of us.

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fergie001:
Well, you have said it all...but the University's Registrar has openly declared that he was a former Student there and duly graduated.

I left that University and till now haven't obtained my Certificate ....my UG took me 6 years before I got a Certificate.

Whilst so many reasons can premise on negligence...this cannot be adduced as reasons for disqualification especially when the authority has attested same. (In name and in writing).

I know an institution where October last year made it a decade without convocation. I mean a State Polytechnic.
So what have her graduates been using?

I have also said that all these certificates presented to the Committee are in public domain.

https://www.nairaland.com/5911804/apc-releases-obasekis-waec-result
I will be awaiting your inputs Sir...

The case is clear as water.

. Certificate issuance is necessary for confirmation of. statement of results.We tend to have more belief in the former than the latter.That is why usually during screening certificate is preferable. The UI registrar ought to clarify double certificates different names and signatories on them. I read the link you gave and it made me wonder why the governor did not simply use O level if it is genuine with a certificate as a basis of his qualification. Why the use of HSC which has no value in Nigerian constitution ?The Governor knows more than all of us.

Banter1:
I can see you're in support of the Midget

. I am not sir I am not from Edo.Edo people will decide where to go.I am only examining the screening procedure and its outcome. I I also believe we have to account for our negligence on matter at times . as the case of the incumbent is .Assuming before the screening committee he presented O leve,l UI certificate and NYSC certificate without any controversy would he be disqualified?.He would have come out since yesterday to question his disqualification. Can he do so? No...

fergie001:


Whilst I agree with almost all your submissions wrt that Obaseki's certificate....I tend to look critically at these factors:

For the Certificate....
Section 31(2) of the Electoral Act opines;
the list or information submitted by each candidate shall be accompanied by an affidavit sworn to by the candidate at a Federal High Court of a State or Federal Capital Territory indicating that he has fulfilled all the constitutional requirements for election to that office."

Juxtapositing this with the earlier submissions of Sections 318(1) and 131(d) of the 1999 Constitution....what the op is saying is can he contest and not be hurt by the Courts peradventure he wins? Yes.

Availing himself of the opportunity of Section 318(1)3 (i-iv).....he is eligible excepting for the moral baggage that comes with it.

The NYSC certificate of Obasek & Obaseki has been tackled in previous judgements ......in the cases of Oshiomhole v PDP (Aliyu & Aliu), Atiku v Buhari (Mohammad & Muhammadu), et al.

The Supreme Court in PDP v APC & Ors this year settled that only the constitutional authority can effect changes, especially if it doesn't seek to alter its original meaning....I don't think Obasek alters the GENUINE meaning of Obaseki.

For the BSc Certificate, the onus however is on the University Authority who have said Yes this man graduated here in so and so year.

I share How did he get admitted into the University of Ibadan?

The Governor stated that he lost his original certificates via a fire accident and had deposed to an affidavit which is known to law (Atiku v Buhari 2019).

. Thank for your correction on the use of Diri instead of Lyon. noting my comic concluding sentence, and your remarks on my observation and conclusion. I want to say that section 131 and 138 apply only if he has scaled through the screening and has become the party flag bearer. At the screening stage the party reserves the right to disqualify any candidate and a disqualified candidate has the right to appeal the decision within the provision of the party. Additionally I share your opinion on Obaseki or Obasek. I am not from Edo so I don't know if Obask is a variant of Obaseki Oshiomhole v PDP (Aliyu & Aliu), Atiku v Buhari (Mohammad & Muhammadu), et al.My only concern is why did he not go for an affidavit on this since 1980?Did he even write a letter of complaint to NYSC regarding it and tender it before the screening committee.?/No. Moreover if he claimed he attended UI with an affidavit did he present the affidavit before the committee? A university like UI will ensure that a student has the admission requirements before graduation not just an affidavit. It appears the governor is too relaxed and negligent on his academic matters.Considering all the circumustances he himself knew he had no chance in the screening exercise.

fergie001:
It is important you educate rather than attack. There are a few who come here to read comments and to learn, excepting mischievous ones.

My man, Awol1, is however VERY correct....to add more;

Section 131(d) of the 1999 Constitution as amended...
he has been educated up to Secondary school level or its equivalent (This one is even for President sef!).

Section 318 (1) of the 1999 Constitution as amended, describes School Certificate or its equivalent

1. A secondary school Certificate or its equivalent or Grade II Teacher's Certificate, the City and Guilds Certificate or

2. Education up to Secondary school Certificate level or

3. Primary six school leaving certificate and:


i. Service in the public and private sector in the federation in any sector acceptable to the Independent National Electoral Commission for a minimum of 10 years and

ii. Attendance at courses and trainings in such Institutions as may be acceptable to the Independent National Electoral Commission for periods totalling up to a minimum of 1 year and

iii. The ability to read, write, understand and communicate in English Language to the satisfaction of the Independent National Electoral Commission, and

iv. Any other qualification acceptable to the Independent National Electoral Commission.


To add to the cases of Adeleke v APC, Atiku v Buhari...

Bayo v Njidda (2004) by Justices Amiru Sanusi JCA (later JSC), Ifeyinwa Nzeako (JCA) & Ogbuagu (JCA)

"In other words, as regards a Secondary School Examination; it is enough in my own view that one attended school certificate level i.e. without passing or obtaining the certificate."


I think it isn't an issue.....The election is the issue and Edolites will call the shots then.


Cc: ejimatic!

. Thank you all for your insightful comments and citations.Obaseki and APC saga will generate a lot of diverse opinions .I agree with all your legal references and contributions.However I want to reiterate that in my opinion that 1 Obaseki dug the grave of his disqualification 2 APC disqualified him because of Bayelsa drama..The constitution is explicit enough on the requirement for being a governor ....minimum of o level or its equivalent...Section 318 of the 199 constitution .Obaseki did not present any evidence of SSCE or GCE or what can show that he went to secondary school .He only presented HSC .letter of attestation. In the 70s HSC was awarded to those who attended private institutes where typing secretarial studies and shorthand were taught.HSC was never accepted for admission then.So it cannot be viewed as O level equivalent.Obaseki did not even have a certificate of the exam.How are sure that the private institute he claimed even existed then? Also his UI certificates have one with the name of the VC another with the name of the VC and registrar with different years of completion and date too as there was no evidence of SSCE or equivalent presentec before the committee neither was his HSC was satisfactory to the screening committee.So there is no way he can benefit from Atiku Buhari and Adeleke APC judgements. His disqualification on this ground is logical and non acceptance of his HSC is justifiable. On the other hand Obaseki presented an NYSC certicate with an error of spelling He did not correct the error since 1980 .How are we sure he served then? Bayelsa drama can emanate from this too.In my opinion Obaseki is aware of the crisis that might emanate from i his academic credetials.He even said he would not appeal the decision. One would expect that he should address the press by now with clarification on his papers Did he do so? No...It is also important to note that Diri s deputy was a two time serving senator yet the SC found his name irregular on the gubernatorial matter. So it is important for APC to tidy up now against Bayelsa drama. Finally a candidate who cannot present satisfactory credentials and give clarifications on them stand to fail a screening test. This case is decided therefore in favour of the APC and the screening committee of the party and I award no cost to all the parties.

eldoradoxx:
Perhaps you guys need to learn a little, you don't need to present a single certificate to INEC to contest election in Nigeria says your Supreme Court in Buhari's case, so I wonder where you intend to establish forgery of a document you have not seen. Secondly, until Obaseki attaches that controversial HSC certificate on his INEC form (not on party nomination form) he cannot be disqualified legally from the election because u only get disqualified from a general election for lying on oath to INEC in aid of your qualification.

. Selection of candidates is a party affair.In order words a party decides how candidates must be selected.The party after primaries will forward the names of winners and contestant to INEC for verification.You do not give INEC fake results because this will be contested at the tribunal or in a federal high court.The position of the Supreme court is that there must be a process of selection of candidates from a party level and the result of the primary is binding. Faleke vrs APC. APC rightfully formed a screening committee which is a part of their primary process.Any intending flag bearer must pass through the screening process established by the party. Obaseki has taken a lot of things for granted...Very painful for him and disappointing to his followers.

Banter1:
But you lots didn't see the discrepancy in his certificates when he was contesting for the first time abi?

. I reliably gathered that he used affidavit in his first time.I am not an Edolite but it appears he is taking thing for granted. Same happened to Adeleke in Osun.It is better to have certificates you don't need than not having certificates that are necessary.He even said days before the screening that he would not scale through it.After the screening he said he would not appeal. What does that imply? Why can't he address the press and present his certificates? Obaseki played into the hand of APC.I hereby hold him responsible for his downfall.I wish Edo people goodluvk in their choice of governor.

ZAWs:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/06/edo-why-we-disqualified-obaseki-ogiemwonyi-iduoriyekemwen-%e2%80%95-apc-panel/

. He is guilty as charged.As the times of his admission WASC and GCE were used for admission.He claimed he used HSC which was not used for admission then.HSC as at that time was awarded in a private institute where typing and shorthand, secretarial studies etc were learnt. Even if he went for the HSC programme where is his certificate.He said he had not collected it since 70s.If he used ordinary letter of attendance for his admission why has he not sat another SCE to cover up for his lack of OLevel before his graduation..His name on the NYSC was Obasek instead of Obaseki .He never took any step for correction even with affidavit. Does this show wisdom and intelligence. It is shocking if a person is taking things for granted in the name of money or position. In my opinion which I have been having since yesterday Obaseki dug the grave of his disqualification.

Amozever12:
What's this one saying? Where were they when he did the 1st tenure?Everybody knows the aim of the committee was to disqualify Obaseki

. How would it be if he came out this night to present the original copies of his HSC and NYSC certificates?But sadly he did not....I don't think he deserves sympathy.APC knew he was not qualified to contest four years ago but allowed him to contest.

fergie001:
Not in Nigeria.....
Have you not seen people win elections in prison?
Ask TA Orji.

What about the present 'bride' in Edo?
Was he not the one they said was a thief.


No idealogies bro....na anywhere belle face

. Excellent ! I totally agree with you.

fergie001:
I see three reasons......

A. He won't get justice as he presumed....(this one is puerile anyways)

B. Oshiomhole has been defiant about that certificate issue, hence he
might even be party to the forgery four years ago

C. He already has obtained forms via a proxy in another party.

All you said are logical and very possible!The outcome of the screening which he is yet to defend is a stain on his candidature in a any party.

fergie001:
Unless something is wrong I wouldn't know why he has not presented it publicly by now sef!

I will think he already had a Plan B......Edolites, the choice is yours.

I am surprised too.What he said after his disqualification is :I would not appeal the committee's decision.Why ? In my opinion he knows he has no case.