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Janosky:
Nah so dem dey add Maggi and spice

You know I'm not watchtower who uses to add SALT and PEPPER yet you people will rub it on your face

Michael547:
Oga why are you twisting bible na....

I'm not watchtower that twisted God's word.

Where does verse one say that it was before the beginning that Jesus was with God?

I quoted a translation, don't tell me you don't read my post.

Did you just carry the word before from the air and put in verse 1?,

Well, I'm not watchtower, watchtower is found of doing that.

I provided a translation even the person you're discussing with yesterday quoted this translation "Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."

When verse 2 is actually telling you that the companionship happened not before But in the beginning. Oga twist bible small small oo.

The fact that you can't boldly say YES TWO BEGINNING can happen in a system of thing shows you're not to be taking serious.

Well, let me re-emphasize it again, YOU CANT HAVE TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of thing.

So both verse 1&2 are talking about the same BEGINNING.

God can't lie.
The FIRST THING TO BE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING is Heavens and the Earth. Gen 1:1.

Janosky:
What did your phone & laptop show you occurred in the year 537 BCE?

What did your own Bible teach you about the king mentioned in your search engines who made a remarkable decision in 537 BCE?

Don't be a dim wit

It's stupidity to answer question with questions and meanwhile I've already dusted this, don't take us back JaNosense.

So can you just provide from your own phone and laptop Google search the year Jerusalem was destroyed or Google has disappeared on your phone and laptop?

Aemmyjah:
How many years were the Jews in exile?

You don't answer question with questions.

That's stupidity.

Address my point first.

Michael547:
Yes verse 1 said that Jesus was with God.
But verse 2 clarifies that 'he was with God' in the beginning not before 'the beginning' according to you.
Therefore, what beginning was verse 2 referring to, if you say the beginning in verse 1 was the beginning or creation of the world?

Do you need hammer to knock it on your head?

The fact is THERE IS ONLY ONE BEGINNING.

So verse Two was talking about THE SAME BEGINNING.

Why is English so difficult for you to comprehend?

Verse 1 He was with God Before The Beginning
Verse 2 in The very Beginning He was still with God.

How is this simple English that a pupil shouldn't find hard to understand so difficult for you?

The fact that you're trying to establish TWO BEGINNINGS shows you don't know what you're doing.

Janosky:
What a dim wit exposing his folly!
Emusan phone & laptop do not have Google, Chrome or Opera mini apps & other search engines.

Well, my phone and laptop Google show that Jerusalem was destroyed in year 587BC.

So can you provide from your own phone and laptop Google search the year Jerusalem was destroyed?

I'm waiting JaNosense

Aemmyjah:
Neither can you invalidate that God's people spent 70 years in exile

E don hook.

So ALL AGREED and ESTABLISHED with FACT the date 537BC but NO ONE agreed and established with FACT the date 607BC

Janosky:

This is the highest peak of dullardship.
What a dim wit !!

I just love how all of you are boycotting my question.

Which means you people know you're lying.

Michael547:
Oga you too you have comprehension problem....

Check it very well.

If you say verse 1 is telling us that Jesus existed before the 'beginning', and verse 2 is telling you that it was at that 'beginning' in verse 1 that Jesus was 'with God', does that not move your brain to ask why Jesus was not 'with God' before the 'beginning' in verse 1?

You really mean you asked this question?

Didn't verse 1 establish that He was with God also?

Definitely, you just attested to my claim of the level of your IQ being low.

Here is verse one again: "The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God."

Aemmyjah:
Subtract it from the years God said his people will remain in exile? How many years?

Smile....so you don't have anyone who agreed and established 607BC as fact.

That's wonderful

Janosky:
Use your phone & laptop to Google what happened in the year 537 BCE.

Be a smart man , STOP throwing childish tantrums.

So it's no more Bible I should use but Google on my phone and laptop

Well, when you pick your brain from your hall, then use the same Google on your phone and laptop to provide answer to my question.

Who are those that AGREED and ESTABLISHED 607BC as FACT?

At least your brother agreed that 537BC was agreed upon BY ALL and ESTABLISHED BY FACT.

Michael547:
Oga verse two does not say that Jesus was present but that he was with God at that beginning.

That is why I said lack of comprehension is what is playing out here.

Verse 1 established that Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

So, when verse 2 says "The SAME was WITH GOD in THE BEGINNING" this should tell you that it's the same BEGINNING and not TWO BEGINNINGS. You can't have TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of THING.

Reason verse 3 complement both 1&2 by saying "ALL THINGS..." and God did not make ANYTHING without him."

The fact that you're even trying to establish TWO BEGINNING shows the level of your IQ.

So was Jesus not with God before 'that the beginning' that you explained in verse 1?

Verse one point is how Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING. The person you first quoted even tried to explain this by quoting the verse for you.

Here it is again "The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God."

Aemmyjah:
Was Jesus with himself in the beginning?

He was with The Father!

Aemmyjah:
Many people don't believe the Exodus cos there is no much secular writing that mentions the Israelites in Egypt. Does that make it invalid?

Again I ask you, when was Jesus born?

O ma se oooo

So to provide the ALL who agreed and established the FACT of 607BC is what you're going around like a lost sheep.

537BC is agreed and established as FACT by ALL.

Who are those that AGREED and ESTABLISHED 607BC as FACT?

That's the main point, if you have any question other than this on this thread, then you can create thread from it.

Michael547:
These people are very funny 😁😁...dem no fit explain verse 1 and 2 together to make sense with their idea.

Verse 1&2 have been explained to you but you couldn't comprehend it.

You want to claim there are TWO BEGINNINGS.

Only a person with a low IQ will be thinking that there are TWO BEGINNINGS, beginning is beginning.

That is why verse 3 even put it that "ALL THINGS were created through Him. God did not make ANYTHING without him"

If God created Jesus FIRST then Gen 1:1 is wrong and also implies Jesus created Himself according to verse 3 since ALL THINGS are created through Him.

Michael547:
So the father who is also Yahweh is greater than himself right?😁😁😁

This is the evidence that you people don't understand simple sentences.

Since you have the same surname with your father shows you and your father are the same person.

Very pathetic.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was present with himself in the beginning?
Issorit

Olodo....

Can two people have the same NAME?

Michael547:
So the father who is also Yahweh is greater than himself right?😁😁😁

Yahweh is A NAME even the verse you provided says "...whose NAME alone is Yahweh"

Do you and your father have the same SURNAME?

O ma se oooo

Michael547:
Oga what was the 'very beginning' that verse 2 talks about? Are you implying that Almighty God had a beginning?

So funny of you, both verse 1&2 are talking about THE BEGINNING.

Verse 1 established that Jesus WAS before THAT THE BEGINNING and verse 2 buttresses that JESUS WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THAT THE BEGINNING.

This is simple comprehension.

Aemmyjah:
I mentioned several dates
Date for the flood
Date for Jesus birth
Date for Jesus messiahship
Date of Adam's creation

Then who asked you about all these?

537 is agreed by all and established as fact that the Jews returned from exile.

This is the point!

Now, it's agreed by all and established as FACT

Then where is 607BC agreed BY ALL and established as FACT?

You choose to ask me... What a shame.

Shame for asking you question.

What is more shameful is seeing a question being asked of you and pretended as if you didn't see just because you know you don't have concrete evidence to support your answer.

Why not ask your pastor, he can explain better

I don't need my pastor for any questions about Scripture, God gave me brain to read and understand. You're the one who need to depend on who will spoon feed you on how to read and understand scriptures.

Michael547:
So who is the father in John 14:28 in the picture below?

You asked question about OT but you switch to New Testament, how come?

Well, the Father is also Yahweh.

Michael547:
Verse 2 says the word was with God 'in the beginning' what does that mean?

The summary of verse 1&2 is this:

Verse 1: The Word existed before The BEGINNING and The Word Was God.

Verse2: The Word was ALSO PRESENT at the very BEGINNING with God.

Reason why verse 3 says "God made ALL THINGS through the Word. God did not make ANYTHING without him."

You don't need big dictionary to understand the point of Apostle John here.

Michael547:
That means that Jesus must be JEHOVAH in the old testament right?

Jesus was Yahweh in the Old Testament

Michael547:
So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Verse 1 already stated clearly that The Word was BEFORE BEGINNING which means He existed before beginning.

Michael547:
So is Jesus now equal to the Almighty God?

Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God, He is The Almighty God.

Aemmyjah:
I mentioned several dates
Which secular people think different
Oya
Which ones are wrong

You never mentioned several DATES. Stop lying.

How did you arrive at the date 537BC? is the question you have not answered.

You need to understand that, Christ is the focal point of the Law, the very One who consummates the Law as he brings it to its completion and fulfillment.

That is the reason the scripture says "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4

Since Christ became End of the Law, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

In foregoing, you'll see the view of the New Testament writers that the Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The OT Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ. OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it.

This was clearly stated in the scripture "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

Example of Christ consummation in the Bible is the Sabbath Day. See how NT writer put it in Hebrew 4.

[b]"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage he said, They shall not enter my rest. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, Today, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11[/b]

As you can see, Sabbath Day is a shadow of the reality of Christ coming to give God's people eternal rest.

That's why Christ Himself said, "And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

Aemmyjah:
Bible chronology
Something you'll likely never be thought cos it's too high for you or your leaders
But not for those that examine the length, breadth, height and width of God's word

And you can't provide this your height, length, breath and width God's Word here.

Why are you afraid to quote God's Word to support your claim?

All your arguments is to deny that the Jews did not actually spend 70 years

Waooo great mind reader.

Well, all what I've asked of you is, where/how did you get your date 537BC?

Since you claim Babylonian historians aren't really reliable with date.

Anyway, I know it's your conscience that is condemning you.

Same chronology helps us see that Jesus was born in BCE. Ask your religious leaders, they'll say something different. Even scholars think it is 4-6BCE
Same chronology helps us see that the year Jesus was baptized and became messiah is 29CE
Same chronology helps us see that from the time of Adam's creation till now is 6050 years
Same way chronology helps us see that the Exodus from Egypt is 1513BCE
Same chronology helps us see that the great flood was in 2370BCE

So to provide how/where you got the date 537BC is what leads to this ranting.

Explaining to an arrogant misinformed fellow like you is like trying to explain rocket science to one arrogant chief in the remotest village in Africa...

So to provide the verse from God's Word on how you got the date 537BC needs science rocket explanation

Just simple question, see how you have been dancing around like a lost goat and shifting blame from Babylon historians unreliable dating to Atheists to God's word. Yet you can't just provide a single evidence to back them up.

Continue...

So Jehovah's Witnesses take everything in the Bible seriously including dating

Then provide the DATE from the Bible.

Why is that difficult for you to do And

Is Bible not a trustworthy and reliable source of information again?

If you're not lying, it shouldn't take this long for you to proof how you got the date 537BC but you know something is fishing then you must jump around like kangaroo until you deviate from the main point.

Aemmyjah:
Bible chronology helps us to know the date of the end of exile. Read Ezra
Why not ask your Pastor? He should know

Can you imagine!

So it's from the book of Ezra you got the date 537BC according to Bible chronology.

So, why can't you present it here?

Why is it so difficult for you people to quote God's Word in support of your claim or is it a lie against GOD and His Word?

This is how your deluded brother dances around when he was asked to present just single verse from the scripture for his claim.

O ma se oooo

Kobojunkie:
If you are of the religion of Christianity you would need to ask your particular god of men for that information as the over 47,000 cults denominations that comprise the religion have different answers for that very question. All of their answers are of course different from that given by Jesus Christ, the one they all pretend to believe in.

And this makes sense to you

SMH....

Aemmyjah:
Atheists are using 587-537 BCE to discredit the Bible as giving false predictions
Babylonian historians are not really reliable with dates.

Show me the Atheists that are using it to discredit God's Word.

If Babylonian historians aren't really reliable with date, where/how did you get the date 537BC?

This is the question you're turning blind eyes to as if you didn't see it.

Forget about the religion, using Bible chronology, the dates show 607 BCE to 537 BCE. You'll rather give atheists an upper hand to discredit Bible than allow Bible speak for itself as long as it is Jehovah's Witnesses that uphold it alone

Leave Atheists out of this, show me how you get the date 537BC.

Why is the truth so hard for you people to present?

kimco:
So if you saw someone walking on water you won't inquire if it real or they are pulling a trick on you? And those who question the legitimacy of what they see are the ones with something wrong with their brain? Imagine that. I have a "miracle" to show you later. But you are right about one thing, even if you say what you saw was real, you need to prove to others that what you saw was real, can you do that? Cos what you saw must also leave evidence to back your claim otherwise you might be hallucinating (happens).Irrefutable evidence is important to the scientific findings. When you see something, clarify it, if you see a thief in your house but no forced entry or stolen goods or footprint, just nothing and you still claim you saw someone in your house, then you need to check yourself.

The thing is, not everything you can explain to people and they will understand.

How can you explain to someone who is not in the engineering field of how billions of Transistor and capacitors can fit into a space of 15mm X 15mm silicon wafer and all these working together perfectly?

And then compare this on how the creator was able to part DNA in a space of 20-30 micrometres of cell.