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MightySparrow:
These two apologists conclusions are hazy. I have discussed this topic with you before. I was researching into end times myself. I gathered books on religion: Islam and Christianity, psychics, like Nostradamus Mitchell, Edgar Cayce, Mummy Simpsons, Catholic Bishop Malachy, and science as many sources of references and JWs book on prophecy of Daniel as a pilot for Christian religion apart from Lindsay brothers and few others. Internet also and history texts. Then scientific view about the fate of the earth. I just did independent studies spanning months. Then, there were discrepancies in names and times of rulers and times in the Prophecy of Daniel and professional historical chronology. As I continued to search, I stumbled on two sceptics from Jws: Carl Olof Jonsson and Franz whose book was reviewed by the first person.

My discovery from others are not relevant here. That of Jws and dates is the topic. The first one didn't do justice to the topic. He only explained or drew his conclusions from about first two to five chapters of the book. The other book, 'Time of Gentiles Reconsidered' Hy Carl Olof Jonsson is more researched, carefully researched and organized. In it he had to engage one professor Furuli, the leading chronicler of watchtower. Although, the man, Furuli, was an expert in Assyrian language, he was not an historian. He misled the organization.
Anyway all these three were later disfellowshiped for their works. I think Furuli realized his error and joined force with the other two.

Every religious group has it's dogma but that doesn't make it right.

You know, I am a Christian, I consider myself one, and I am. I try to analyze things myself no matter who teach them. I am a pentecostal, I believe it is safe for me. I read wide inspite of that and draw my own conclusions.

I feel that 1914 and all it's appendages are not right. I don't quite agree with it.
.cheers

This looks like the transcript from the videos.

The funny thing is he didn't even know that the video is against his claim, he was deceived with the title just as Watchtower is deceiving him with fake love and smile.

In fact, the first video is from an exjws, that is to tell you the length he can go to look for validation.

He was the first to comment on this thread advised his fellow JWs to stay away, he is the same person parading this thread.

Very pathetic!

Aemmyjah:
They're chasing what deludes them - peace
No peace for the apostates wicked - says my God

But your brother brought an apostate video here as evidence to support his claim

Courz:
Don't you have shame Mad MaxinDhouse? How is It that you made this blunder of posting an Apostate video that is obviously against 607 Bce as proof? Were your eyes and ears not functioning properly or are you too lazy to watch videos first before posting them? Why couldn't you watch the first video ? Why did you have to disgrace yourself like this? The man in the video was even reading from a book written by an Ex Governing body member that exposed Watchtower and was even recommending the book for his audience to read and was reading about how the Ex Governing body member found out that 607 Bce was a Lie. And when you even read the comments, some of them have read that book and were against you JWs. And you saw it fit to post the video. 😂😂😂😂

Can you see why I call you Mad MaxinDhouse? You are living up to your name. You thought you did a good job or just cracked a code or solved a puzzle not knowing that you are actually helping me and Emusan. Thanks Mad MaxinDhouse for the help. 😀😀😀😀😀🙁🙁

When he first posted the video, I didn't bother to watch it because I know there's no single scholar that supported destruction of Jerusalem as 607BC and no scripture support for it.

You can see that Watchtower change 2520days to 2520years in other to deceive themselves and only a fraudster will interpret God's word that way.

As you brought to my attention about the contents of the video, I then watch it and truly he has no shame for posting a video like that.

Not only the contents didn't support his claim but the author is an exjws.

Very pathetic.

Courz:
At the bolded, Mad MaxinDhouse went to an EXJW video that he calls Apostate and is using it as evidence to back up 607bce without no archeological evidence to back it up. That man in the first youtube video he posted has a lot of videos bashing JWs and their doctrines. And Mad MaxinDhouse saw it fit to use him. What a joke! 🤣🤣🤣

@Maxinthehouse The receipt is out, the guy in the video is an Exjws or apostate why are you using him as your EVIDENCE?

More palaver for this man who refused to acknowledge God's Word rather than defending man made doctrines.

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse,

Show us evidence for the below claims:

That the gentile times ended in 1914.

That Jesus drove away Satan in 1914

That Jesus started ruling in 1914

That War, famine, earthquake started in 1914

You can see he has changed tone already

MaxInDHouse:
Guy no be by force o!

Of course it's not by force

We just requested for the evidence that supported your claim.

Or you don't have any?

If you won't agree with JWs listen to those guys they are not JWs o!

Those guys have the truth now that is why you want me to listen to them but when the same guys goes against your claim they become Atheists or part of Christendom.

At least this is another proof that not only Watchtower have the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ no be by force nah!

So to provide evidence that support your claim is what that hard you to do

Well I know why you can't do that

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're seeing only the young man shey?

Well both men aren't JWs yet they are telling critics that JWs are correct using scriptures to prove it.
So if you're still not OK then you're free to take your leave no one is forcing this on you!

And you can't provide the same scriptures here so you and I can see it

Or the scriptures disappeared on your Bible?



You agree they are using scriptures

Why did Watchtower not go with scriptures about the age of the universe but went with archeologist?

MaxInDHouse:
You go cry tire!

The agony of a sore loser

Seven times of the gentiles ended from 2520 BCE in the year 1914.

That was Watchtower delusion.

Provide both God's Word and historical documents that support it.

*Jesus was given the order to start ruling in the midst of his enemies! Psalms 110:1-3
*He sacked Satan in heaven! Revelations 12:7-9
*War began on earth! Matthew 24:7
*Followed by famine and diseases!
*False prophets sprang up on the earth!
*People betray people!
*His disciples continued to preach peace till today! Matthew 24:7-14

God PA I site you

Well one of the false prophets is TC Russell

All these began since 1914!

Then provide the verse where God said it.

How it that hard for you to do?

Courz:
There is archeological evidence for 587 Bce. Where is the archeological evidence for 607Bce? This is what Mad MaxinDhouse cannot answer. How come Watchtower relies on archeological evidence when proving the existence of Bible characters but refuses to accept archeological evidence for 587BCe?

Mad MaxinDhouse, show us evidence to back up 607bce.

The only realisable source for him is a young man on YouTube

After he lied that God gave a SPECIFIC DATE that the Jews left Babylon.

O ya provide the verse, he referred me back to the young man on YouTube.

Technically, the young man on YouTube is more reliable than the scripture

Very pathetic!

MaxInDHouse:
2520-607+1=1914

Where did that 1 come from?

This is what you said @OP "So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914."

So where did that 1 you added coming from.

You don't count and later ADDED, that's fraud

MaxInDHouse:
Your question has been answered it's not compulsory you believe it!

You didn't answer

Here it is again,

2520-607 = ?

Lying that there is a year between BC and AD shameless man

MaxInDHouse:
So the year in between the last century in BCE and the first century in CE should be 0 years shey?

This shows how ignorance you are about history.

The last year on BCE is 1BC and the first year in CE is 1CE there's no YEAR in between

Provide where anyone ever used a year IN BETWEEN BCE & CE

Guy you can't do anything to that it's 1914 so if you're not OK with it there's no problem you're free to leave no one is forcing it on you!

Your calculation is wrong reason why you're committing historical fraud of ADDING ONE YEAR to 1913 to make it 1914.

607 busted as Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC

Even your dubious 2520-607 = 1913 got busted again

Dtruthspeaker:
This is sense none rubbish. You are just passage shopping.

You can even see the lying liar saying "there is a year between last century BCE and 1st century CE"

This brainwashing is too much.

When truth is steering them face to face.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no 0 year so the year between the last century BCE and the first century CE must be added that's what makes it 1914.

There's no any year between BC and AD stop this lie haba

It's like saying there's a year between 1st century and 2nd century

Kai brainwashing is too bad

Now you know 2520-607 = 1913 and not 1914.

MaxInDandHouse:
I'm not here to argue with you about my beliefs so what exactly is your question?

Smile...

My question is 2520-607=

In case you have problem with your calculator you can use the one below

MaxInDHouse:
What exactly is your question?

Read my post again if you see any question(s) there you answer it.

My post addressed the followings:

1. 607BC isn't the year Jerusalem was destroyed as it doesn't have any historical and archeological support.

2. Archeological discovery and scholarly works support 587BC as the year Jerusalem was destroyed.

3. Even if given you the year 607BC by subtracting it from your dubious calculation of 2520years it will be 1913 not 1914.

It's simple mathematics 2520-607=1913

4. Lastly, you lied against God that God says 2520days will become 2520years by citing Num 14:34 & Eze 4:6 of which what God said in those verses was directly on the issue God was addressing not any other things.

So bring your evidence against those 4 points as derived from OP.

MaxInDHouse:
Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple in the year 607 B.C.E.

False

All archeological evidence pointed to the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC

So how long is the SEVEN TIMES?
In the Bible book of Revelation it was revealed to John the apostle that three and a half times is equal to 1260 days! Revelations 12:6, 14

Therefore SEVEN TIMES will amount to 2520 days but if we're to calculate from 607 B.C.E. that will end in the year 600 B.C.E. yet Jesus told his contemporaries that the time God gave the nations is still ongoing in his own days {Luke 21:24} therefore we have to go by the standard God pronounced when Israelites annoyed Him a day will be for a year! Numbers 14:34 compare to Ezekiel 4:6

So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914.
That was the year Jesus was crowned as King of God's kingdom in heaven and the first thing he did was sending Satan out of heaven that year {Revelations 12:7-12} the earth began seeing woes right from that time until today! Matthew 24:7-14

Even with the manipulative mathematics you did. 2520 - 607 still gives 1913 not 1914

You see that no matter how you spin it, 1914 is still a haox and scam.

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Here is NUM 14:34 but reading only 34 is cherry picking start from verse 33

33 And your children will be like shepherds, wandering in the wilderness for forty years. In this way, they will pay for your faithlessness, until the last of you lies dead in the wilderness. 34 “‘Because your men explored the land for forty days, you must wander in the wilderness for forty years—a year for each day, suffering the consequences of your sins. Then you will discover what it is like to have me for an enemy.’

The same is with Ezekiel 4:6

God instructions in those passages were clear and God is not saying ALL DAYS MUST BE A YEAR.

MaxInDHouse:
They are not members of Jehovah's Witnesses yet they both have this to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiJP1JkxsQ?si=82uRI74dW2LAqFcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdDvys2z6k?si=nTReVo2Wx__Quest

You haven't provided where God gave a SPECIFIC DATE that the Jews left Babylon from the scripture as you early claimed, so that we can add 70years to it to arrive at 607BC.

You're still roaming about YouTube fighting with your conscience with the truth instead of just providing GOD'S WORD.

Is YouTube greater than God's Word?

I know in your search for validation on YouTube you also came across videos that supported 587BC but rejected it because it's not inline with what you want.

So, you can reject archeological evidence and MOST Scholarly works that support 587BC and embrace just a random people.

Well, the truth is Jerusalem destruction took place in 587BC which shows that 1914 is a scam and just wait few more years where NEW LIGHT will happen from Watchtower then you'll reflect back on how you're defending this scam, you'll realise it's not good to defend lie. Thou I know you don't have shame!

pocohantas:
I did expect a lot from him.
I thought that man has sense.
But I know better now. He probably never did anything special in Lagos. He just got luckly or maybe Nigeria is bigger than him.

To think it is less than a year in office.

And we have 7 to go. His diehard fans should add 7 to their current ages. Someone like Kaypèrry would be at least 50.

What is Nigeria's life expentancy again?

The truth is he didn't do any reasonable things in Lagos. Had it been it's the era of social media all those lies wouldn't have fly but you don't expect a country where people see black and call it white to support the truth.

Well the reality is on ground now and everyone can see it with their korokoro eyes.

Tallesty1:
Point me to where he said this

At Ogun campaign ground he said in Yoruba in his stammering voice "Wón ṣọ́rọ́ epo, epo awón, a di 500, a lọ 200. Ẹ lọ fọ́kán bálẹ́. À ma gbé wàlẹ"

Interpretation: "They are talking about the issue of fuel, fuel will cost, it'll be 500, it'll be 200... Go and relax, we will bring it down"

I have the video or you can browse it.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Seun can't grant your request as it's not all those claiming Christians agreed on your terms!

And Seun has responded that he will do that this year.

See the way you always proud in your ignorance as if you're Alpha and Omega.

Oma se oooo

Let's see if Seun eventually created Christian section if you'll still claim to be a Christian by accepting term or not after the below statement from you:

MaxInDHouse:
Most translators of your copies are trinitarians so when translating the Christian Greek scriptures they got confused.

Please check the OT and try to correlate with NT to know who is talking @ Revelations 1:8

See how he quickly changed mouth.

He was caught with his own lie of LORD and Lord

Dtruthspeaker:
They also reverse back to agnosticism when they see that we have answered all the atheists nonsense they believe in.

Funny people. They want to eat their cake and have it and still put it in the fridge (according to.Jimmy Disu)

They be like we said "We don't know"

That's Agnostic meh

Aemmyjah:
He thinks humans can fight spirits?

You people are just so funny.

I said your organisation says Armageddon is a PHYSICAL BATTLE your deluded brother said No! And that the pictures of your publication showing different weapons is old light and there is a new light where no physical weapons are shown yet the article you posted here still shows FIRE FROM HEAVEN.

But from your own thread isn't Armageddon a physical WAR?

Even where our publications shows those army shooting their women at Michael, it is just to show how foolish and useless they can seem to be shooting towards invisible spirits but why would they do that? They have seen things that made them realize that Jesus is intervening on behalf of his people and to attack their earthly enemies. They won't just sit there and expect destruction, they may want to defend themselves with that they have, it's just a foolish thing to do.

Army shooting WOMEN TO MICHAEL KE....


Now see how you confirm my point that Armageddon is a PHYSICAL WAR.

Whether what they do is foolishness or not, weapons of destruction will be exchanged

If you can support your brother who said "Anyone who thing he belongs to Christ under the OLD CURSED AND BASTARDIZED name(Christian) should think twice" is it on matter like this you'll disagree with him?

Even Paul said that the battles true Christians face are not carnal (earthly or physical) since they are against wicked spirits. Is it the one of Gog of Magog that will?

But the people who will fight at Armageddon aren't TRUE CHRISTIANS.

So why should you apply the verse that meant for TRUE CHRISTIAN to the battle of WICKED LEADER?

Just ignore him
Ignore faultfinders
It's just envy that's worrying them

Usual excuse

MaxInDHouse:
Physical means what humans can put to use but spiritual means what can work yet humans can't figure out how it's working.

But at Armageddon people will figure out how it's working.

Or you think earthquake, fire from heaven, flood will happen and people won't figure it out?

He knows he had nothing tangible to say only poised to trade words and i won't give him that chance if he likes let him continue arguing blindly!

But you're the very liar here

You lied it's not physical but your organisation says otherwise

You lied your organisation had a NEW LIGHT you haven't provided where the new light is

Well, you can't deny that thousands of nuclear weapons are already in the hands of many countries.

You can't deny that millions of warhead are in store in many countries.

Just one post of mine you have to quote it four times which shows the post hit the right place.

Aemmyjah:
Where I did not use took, he complained I was using football

One thing is to be ignorant another thing is to be ignorant and pride in it.

You use "TOOK" which is a past tense meanwhile the sentence I'm tutoring you on is A PRESENT TENSE.

So how can you use a past TENSE example to justify a present TENSE statement?

Only someone who failed English will do that.

You are just a faultfinder. It seems that is what brings you joy.

Still Priding in his ignorance.

So telling you that you can't use Past Tense example for Simple Present Tense is fault-finding to you

In a forum where you are free to educate us what your church teach about the topic on ground, it is English you find fault with cos you don't understand what was clearly written and understood by millions.

The reason you can't see anything with that sentence is because you're deprived of formal education, that means the millions who understand it also affected.

I showed you how PRESENT TENSE is used and the rules that guides it yet you still dull to comprehend it.

Mr Emusan, professor of Linguistics 🤷‍♂️.
He started to use off-point examples of sun rises in the east
Enjoy your weekend 🍷

My example shows how PRESENT TENSE is used which is what Watchtower used in that sentence.

I'm expecting you to point to the rule that guides Watchtower sentence, you can't provide it which is how to proof or correct information.

I even went further to give example of how the sentence could've been placed yet your tiny brain couldn't comprehend it just because you must defend your organisation.

Aemmyjah:
Listen to who?
I heard about it before from a DL and i checked the internet and
I just drew your attention
I guess you were not taught yet. When last did you go to church?

Still the same thing

Aemmyjah:
Another example
A victory ceremony took place in the Olympics which began in September 20

Which one took place in September 20
The Olympics or the Victory ceremony?
😂

More examples coming

"TOOK" is past tense

Omar se oooo

You see why I said you failed English

Don't forget this is Watchtower statement "Nevertheless, the Bible does show that Armageddon takes place during Jesus’ invisible presence, which began in 1914.—Matthew 24:37-39."

Aemmyjah:
Interestingly, ask him to visit the internet amd search what Kumuyi taught about the war of Armageddon whether it is physical or not
Let him go and argue those ones first before he just start saying baseless stuff

Like someone burning potato fields in a community in rage but not realizing that his own field is growing same potato

So you listen to kumuyi, that's wonderful

Aemmyjah:
English has failed you

While you failed English.

It's not wrong to have written in Yoruba or another language you understand well

Take this advice to the heart.

If I say crowning of a new champion takes place in the league which kickoff in August.

Wonder why you people quick to use football as example, this shows that you people watch football a lot.

What does that mean.
That the league began in August or that it is August they will crown a new champion?
English no too hard.
I guess you went to school

If not because you failed English, you would have known that the emphasis is on "NEW CHAMPION" which is the reason it's followed by present tense "TAKES" PLACE.

But asking question about LEAGUE shows you really failed English.

You are only teaching yourself the basics of English

It's good for you and your, this is so obvious.

MaxInDHouse:
You still don't get it.

All the highlighted that God used aren't what humans can practice themselves to use during wars so they're not PHYSICALLY WEAPONS but SPIRITUAL WEAPONS!

You're still lying