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MaxInDHouse:
Motives really matter.
If your motive is to find out what is wrong you must be in the gathering of two or three so that Jesus can come into your midst {Matthew 18:20} he will use God's Holy Spirit to guide your group to the truth {John 16:12-13} but if your motive is just to set up your own business Jesus will not support such actions so instead of finding the truth you will only stand side by side with existing others.
That's the difference between Russell and Kumuyi.

Different is just in your imagination.

It's now motive

You know how many times you've changed mouth on this subject matter?

Russell and his group found out that Christianity has disappeared from the earth {Luke 18:8} that's why Jesus assisted them in their research! Matthew 18:20

Christianity has disappeared from the earth, yet Russell copied some doctrines of SDA

Truth can never be found in you.

Christianity disappeared but the name "Jehovah" gave you people was formulated by the time Russell is no where to be found.

Kumuyi on the other hand did his own alone because his motive is to set up his own business that's why he ended up being side by side with existing others that he left!

Were you there to have known?

The sure point now is that Russell and Kumuyi aren't both Christians

Russell was part of the group heading that church back then so for him to raise that topic the whole church supposed to pray over it for the way forward

Is it Jesus that sent him or not?

Also, can you provide where Russell raised any topic?

if they did Jesus who is the truth will come into their midst to guide them as he promised {Matthew 18:20}

But Jesus was not with them all the while but it's was only the time when Russell raised a topic and if they had prayed then Jesus will guide them

but they just dismissed it saying it's tantamount to idolatry instead of praying fervently over the matter.

But the same Russell still died as idolater so how can that single point should be an issue?

That's not how God does things, it's among the Israelites that God always raise one person to correct them anytime they're going astray God will never send someone from another religion to come and correct His worshipers.

But you agree Russell raised a topic, and if they had agreed with him Jesus would have come into their midst

The way you switch mouth eee

That's why it was difficult for Israelites back then to accept correction from prophets in their midst since those prophets are born and bread right in their midst so they find it really difficult to accept correction from such prophets. Elijah was a Samaritan and he was complaining bitterly about the Samaritans and their practicing in worship.
So that's how God always do when it comes to correction!

Storyteller!

Will Jesus abandon them?

After all Jesus corrected early churches.

yemex04:
The bolded.
This assertion is just in your imagination.. but let me pretend as if I haven't sent this before.. see the attached & clear your confusion

It's not, present what he submitted to INEC in 1999!

MaxInDHouse:
They claim they believe in Jesus and God

But I'm telling you that they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

You haven't proof me wrong on that.

They're many Jesus and Jesus Christ of Nazareth Himself said "many will come in His name"

So do you agree that their claim is about Jesus Christ of Nazareth or just their own JESUS?

so if you acknowledge sects many with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming the same there's no reason condemning Muslims because you're only concerned with claims not what it really means to believe in Jesus!

There's a big difference from any CHRISTIANS claiming believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth despite different understanding of the scripture and Muslims.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

MaxInDHouse:
When people makes research about God He (God) promised to guide them to the truth by means of His Holy Spirit James 4:8; Isaiah 44:22

Which means it's not peculiar to only Russell. many people do research about God and God guides them with the Holy Spirit.

I love this.

But see the way he boycotted the rest of my post!

Was what you claimed that made Russell left SDA not uphold by another Christian at that time?

If Kumuyi believe those religions are doing God's will there's no reason them and starting another!

Will Jesus correct SDA or rather abandoned them even He released that not all their doctrines are wrong? This single question you're still dodging since.

If SDA not doing God's will but only err in one doctrine?

So why will Russell leave and why will Jesus didn't send someone to correct them rather than accepting someone from their midst that still copied their doctrines?

BenzEne1:
If all you said is true then Tinubu is sure to lose this case.

What I said is in public domain and I've been following the PEPT from day one till now.

Another issue is the case of $460k forfeiture.

At the moment though it's prejudicial given a verdict prior to the tribunal's.

Of course I know that but I don't need a human to tell me what I can see with my naked eyes, judges can be the rule!

Had it been CSU didn't provide any CTC, court won't admit it as can be said it's fake. The reason why court admitted those evidences is because it's coming directly from the a reliable source.

However Ms Ejikeme has admitted to falsifying her results. She can't be compared with Tinubu who's still fighting his case in court

I know and my point is, those who are holding Ejikeme down, why can't they hold Tinubu down?

How can Tinubu submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but in 2022 submitting exception letter from the same NYSC.

Can one person obtained both certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER from NYSC at the same time?

How many of those condemning Ejikeme today have raised this issue about their so called president?

yemex04:
[/b]So why was the CSU not challenged by you people now? Don't you think that's the sensible thing to do?

I've said this previously but let me say it again.

A person named "Bola A Tinubu" actually attended CSU not doubt about that but the question is who is he/she?

1. CSU provided a transcript of the result of this person and it was "F" as sex and also admitted as CTC in the court.

2. CSU provided the same COPY of the certificate issued to the person named "Bola A Tinubu" which also was admitted as CTC in the court.

But cross checking reveal that the certificate submitted by your president is actually different from the one submitted by the school (CSU). E.g The date of graduation was different.

Also, Tinubu submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but in 2022 he submitted exception letter from NYSC.

Is it possible to have certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER from NYSC at the same time.

I know you people can defend him to any length but shout down another person because you hate the person.

yemex04:
So CSU has diswoned the certificate submitted by Tinubu right?

CSU was not asked to challenge the result but subpoena to PROVIDE TINUBU CERTIFICATE which they did.

Who is that hard for you to comprehend?

But looking at what CSU provided and compare to what Tinubu submitted, one can see that it's a forged certificate.

And one thing I noticed is how you people dodge the NYSC part and just focus on this CSU only.

Let me ask again, why are you defending a man who submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 and in 2022 submitted exception letter for NYSC?

striker07:
You guys are incapable of making a logical reasoning,how about if the university has changed Thier logo

Now you have started assuming.

And the university will be so daft like you not to state it that many changes have occurred over the years with their issuance certificates.

Which they will provide old sample.

But as daft as you are, you forgot that CSU provided THE SAME COPY of what was issued to Tinubu.

have you observed all possible premises before arriving at a conclusion?

You don't have any premises to stand here.

You like defending fraud just because it's a person you like.

No wonder prof. Soludo referred to you guys as headless Mob.

I know the next thing you'll call me now is that I'm Igbo or even IPOB.

But my point here is very simple is you see evil condemn it irrespective of who committed it and don't find a way of sugar coating it.

If this happens to be Obi I know you'll throw away all these premises when in actual sense you don't even make a single sense.

yemex04:
If it's not from CSU then it must be from you... CSU has yet to discredit the result submitted by Tinubu.. what does that imply?

Many of you are just olodo...

Nobody is challenging CSU to proof the certificate wrong but getting the real person behind the certificate.

First, CSU transcript shows it was a Female (this transcript was also admitted in the court)

Then CSU subpoena and provided a certificate which totally different from the one Tinubu submitted.

If the CSU was challenged they can say something about the result but the only provided what they have about what was asked of them.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why he's different from Kumuyi!

Did God use Russell?

You claimed he was only doing research don't forget, anyways I don't expect you not to change mouth on this one

If God use a person for a change it's either you accept the change and continue walking with God or remain as an believer.

The question you're dodging since is, will Jesus have corrected SDA when some of their doctrines was still copied by Russell as He did to the seven churches or just abandoned them to without warning?

Kumuyi left his former church not because God used him to introduce anything he just want to start his own business that's why he can't say all those he met are wrong.

What did Russell introduce?

The very claimed you made has been uphold by many churches many years before even Russell was born. So what is the new things he introduced?

You can see, both Russell and Kumuyi must start their own churches for their personal business.

Charles Taze Russell received a message from God

1. Yet your first claim was that Russell was just doing research
2. And you claim he is not a prophet

There's no length you won't go just to defend the indefensible.

that's why all those that refused to follow him can't meet up with the performance of the group that listened to him!

Story!

Russell was not a Christian simple as short!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they claim they believe in Jesus

They claimed! But you know they are are not yet you're on this thread saying another thing.

just like all others claiming they believe in Jesus with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

And you're among these OTHERS don't forget.

The only group that believe in Jesus must have the same attitude as Jesus who said:

"I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

There can't be another group after OTHERS (plural)

So if you can't find any group saying the same thing but welcoming different religions all in the name of Jesus ọmọ you can't prove Muslims wrong because they also claim they believe in God and Jesus just like all those sects claiming Christians!

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, you haven't proof that but just beating about the bush

BenzEne1:
Again you are not getting his point. He's not saying Tinubu is innocent.

Since, he's not saying Tinubu is innocent, then has he ever called out Tinubu?

That's left for the courts to decide.

No! You have brain to decide.

Ms Ejikeme is guilty though and she's admitted that, so stop drawing parallels between her case and Tinubu's.

I know she's guilty and she admitted it, has Tinubu ever admitted or his supporters?

Are we all supposed to be frauds because the president may be fraudulent?
And it's letter of exemption not exception.

This is the most dumbest question ever.

So you prefer your president to be fraud but if anyone does crime you can drag the person but leave your president alone.

Very wack reasoning.

Ikaeniyan0:
You don't seem to be an intelligent person, I won't be wasting my time on you

No wonder you couldn't answer my simple question

hakeemhakeem:
Did he belongs to the Senate others formal governors weren't there too

Yet you can't even give him the flower for being the only ex governor who never received such fraud money...

yemex04:
So CSU has diswoned the certificate submitted by Tinubu right?

You people are so funny.

I said the result Tinubu submitted to INEC is different from the one CSU provided on subpoena.

Which beg for question, where did Tinubu get the certificate submitted to INEC?

Janosky:
Oga, your Bible@ James 2:19 has resolved the matter but you don't seem to get it- Believe is different from Faith.
They do not put faith in his works of salvation.
James 2:19, did demons put faith in God?
No,is the answer.

You don't understand that James 2:19

Here it is "You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror."

They believe mean they accept ALL TRUTH ABOUT GOD reason why they tremble in terror

[b]The difference is put faith , in the Christian sense.

No! They must accept everything about Jesus Christ.

Do they?

They are entitled to believe what they believe.
No be by force.

Just say they can cherish pick any aspect of Jesus they want like JWs and claimed they believe

Jesus Christ did not use gun to threaten anyone to follow him.

We know that but to believe is to accept everything about the person.

Janosky:
When will You understand that faith is different from believe?

Is James 2:19 in your Bible?

You don't need to tell me Mr

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Proof my wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you asking or answering?

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth

Proof me wrong

MaxInDHouse:
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John! Revelations 1:1

So God always use one person to reveal secrets! Hebrews 1:1-2

That's not the point!

So you agree now that God used Russell and Russell isn't doing research again

femisplash:
The question is, did CSU and NYSC say the certificates he presented were fake?

Smile....
That's why we have brain and eyes

make use of your brain na.

I do! That's why I know one certificate can't be different from another. If you actually graduate, check the certificate given to you and your mate if it has different date and different signatures.

Also, if you're making use of your brain then you should know that someone can't have NYSC certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER at the same time.

How can an internet robot sit down behind the keyboard and passing judgement based off some dogshit he is being fed by some celebrated nuisance.

The funny thing is that, this are documents that in public based on the current tribunal case and had been admitted by the court. So if it's dogshit as you claimed then your court is a wash for accepting those documents.

Let the institutions concerned declared his certificates fake as Jamb did before making a fool of yourself. Pls, i'm allergic to myopic reasoning.

CSU can't declare it fake because CSU actually awarded certificate to a "Bola A Tinubu" but the person claiming that name today is the fake person reason why he forged the one parading.

On NYSC what I'm expecting you to do is to first proof that he didn't submit exception letter but the same certificate he submitted in 1999. But if he actually submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but later submitted exception letter from the same NYSC then check your brain for defending such broad day light forgery.

MaxInDHouse:
Do Muslims believe in Jesus?

They don't?

You can prove my wrong..

MaxInDHouse:
This is why you need to STUDY God's word not just reading it!

I've been doing before you think of joining Watchtower.

Russell is just a human like anyone else but if the true God wants to correct something that's how He always do

But this is not what happened in Revelation to the seven churches. Or it's not true God who did that?

for Russell to have written an outline saying Jesus is the lamb of God which is the sacrifice for mankind's sin is evidence that it's not just him but God's Holy Spirit speaking through him. Matthew 16:17

Many denominations already have these to say long before Russell was born or Russell is the first person to teach that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb?

Where are the SDA members today?
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} just as Jesus Christ commanded! Matthew 28:18-20

Everywhere you can find JWs, one of their churches is in my area and my Palm oil seller is their member.

That's confirmation that what Russell found that day is really backed by God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

It's not back by God no one does the work of God without evidence of Calling and Direct contact with God.

Russell falls out with SDA and decided to start his own.

So, Russell can't be a Christian just as Kumuyi isn't a Christian according to you.

MaxInDHouse:
EMILO2STAY is one merging thousands of sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines together simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus yet condemning the Muslims who also believe in God and Jesus!

No! Not him. You're the one who says "Those"

Are you not believing in Jesus Christ again?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to prove that Muslims aren't getting things right then you can't merge over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then using them as one against another group claiming they believe in God and Jesus.

You're the one doing the merging not me.

You're the one who claimed Muslim believe in Jesus as other Christians do, not me!

Jehovah's Witnesses stands out of all those claiming they believe in God and Jesus so their doctrine could be scrutinized to find out if they're doing God's will but merging thousands of sects as one whereas they're not teaching the same thing against another is deceitful!

Whether they stand out or not

They are AMONG THOSE having the same believe about Jesus according to you

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it's the same God Jews worship in the temple that Jesus also worshiped that's what he confirmed before a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well:

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews". John 4:22

But the light of truth came {Proverbs 4:18} and the Jews rejected it {John 3:19} so from that moment all Judaists has become unbelievers that's why John the baptist told his own disciples to follow Jesus! John 1:35-39

So you mean SDA rejected the light Russell brought to them

Please provide where he did.

So when Russell discovered that the SDA will not accept the light of truth that Jesus is the lamb of God who was sacrificed to take away our sin he left that church because from that moment the SDA is no longer good for a true believer!

"He discovered" how do you know this?

Were you with him?

Will Jesus correct them or not? Why do you boycott this question?

Anyway, I know to answer that will put an end to this issue

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not referring to the Jews but to Jesus and his disciples who found the scriptures in the hands of Judaist.
Are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those Jews since they (Jesus and his disciples) inherited the scriptures from Judaists?

Accept your analogy failed first.

The God Jews worship is the same God Jesus came from.

But I can see how you keep dodging my questions.

Will Jesus correct them or not?

femisplash:
The dogshit you are parading was from david hundeyin aud has been littered over the internet long election. It is not the internet that will tell me whether a certain certificate is genuine or not,rather it's both CSU and INEC that will authenticate and on which premise the court will give her judgement. This is a no brainer for someone with a brain.

Olodo...

It's like you have problem with someone that's very obvious.

Now, like I said, you people can defend when it comes to the person you love but condemned when it comes to the one you hate.

I repeat CSU was subpoena and they presented a certificate which the court admitted. So how is it about what someone was parading on the internet?

Or you don't know what subpoena mean?

Again, I said he submitted NYSC CERTIFICATE to the INEC in 1999 but submitted exception letter to the same INEC last year.

Is it a lie or not?

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews today don't believe in Jesus Christ yet they carry the Torah (commandments of the old covenant) on their heads.

Failed analogy!

The Jews don't believe in Jesus and never copy anything from the New Testament.

Or do they?

So are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those faithless people since himself and his disciples still keep the scriptures found with the Jews?

The scriptures found within the Jews if for anyone.

But the doctrine of SDA is solely for SDA.

So if some SDA doctrines is also ok with Jesus after Russell left then what Jesus will do is to correct for incorrect doctrines like He did to the seven churches.

For instance, the 1914 was done by SDA and Russell copied it not research or reveal by Jesus or the Father.

Russell left because those people rejected the vital part of faith in Christ Jesus which is his death to save mankind so whatever they knew about the scriptures is not their doing it's what is written in the scriptures!

Now this is the key point and I like it.

So in a not SHELL Russell LEFT not that he was instructed or commanded to do so.

Are you saying Jesus won't correct them for accepting such doctrine?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i speak for only JWs because only the JWs doctrine is pure!

You can't speak for only JWs because JWs is also PART of your "THOSE" who claims to believe in Jesus.

DevilsEqual:
Link to the report, lets all read it

U cant send a screenshot here and expect us to take the persons own opinion as EUs

The link has been on line for many days now yet you don't have it. Meaning you haven't even read it.

Better check EU website you'll see the report there so that you won't claim the report has been doctored or is it even piloted

Then check page 26 of the report!

koolhayde:
Fake and biased report.

To you it's fake but on reality of the campaign by Tinubu you can see the reality on the present economy.

MaxInDHouse:
If all those claiming they believe in Jesus can't come up with the same DOCTRINE {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

So do you have same doctrines with those who claims to believe in Jesus?

then don't condemn Muslims after all they also claim they believe in God and Jesus!

That means Muslim and JWs are on the same page!