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MaxInDHouse:
There are Churchgoers/Benchwarmers in every religion (including JWs) so try to grasp the facts.

This needs to be bookmarked!

A Christian is a person who admits he is a sinner born and bread in sin. Then the next thing is you start looking for ways to make improvements not in the midst of ridiculers who feel there's no need for enlightenment but in the midst of people who are ready to admit their mistakes and make amendments.

This also needs to be bookmarked!

William Tyndale was born into the churches but wants to know the truth since there is no positive result in the churches, that's exactly the same path Charles Taze Russell followed.

Did Williams Tyndale finally find the truth or not?

That's nice it means Charles Taze Russell founded JWs.

So even if you are born, bread and brought up by JW parents, you're not yet a JW until you go out there to beat all forms of doctrines that's not yielding positive results, that's when you can surely convince yourself that you have the truth!

So it means not ALL PEOPLE ASSOCIATE with JWs are truly JWs, then many fake smile, laughter and friendship can be found among them.

If JWs aren't progressing in terms of making LOVE JOY and PEACE reign amongst adherents then it means something better is elsewhere, a real Christian will not hesitate to go in search of it but now you can present a better performing group of worshipers you know of.

Like I do ask and I'll always ask which you can't provide any tangible respond to.

Can you show us any group, that do fight and throw bench to themselves when they gather together?

William Tyndale did not just sit down and fold his harms thinking everything is fine when there is no positive result in the churches, he decided to take the initiative for improvement.

Was Williams Tyndale found the truth eventually or not?

Try to do the same Emusan and stop criticizing those who are working hard for improvement, your attitude towards JWs has been like they shouldn't have challenged the teachings of our churches, after all they themselves aren't perfect

Have you tried the same Mr MaxInHouse?

You called it criticism but have I ever post anything outside the scripture here before?

Was Williams Tyndale criticised the church then or not?

Just tell me William Tyndale was evil to have challenged the doctrines of the Churches of his time and we're done.

The question is, did Williams Tyndale eventually find the truth or not?

Let me add this, will Williams Tyndale be part of the heavenly chosen or not?

But if you want to praise him today, please try not to be like the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day who were praising God's prophets for standing out but they are vehemently mad at Jesus and his disciples who are doing the same in their own time! Luke 11:47-51

So you agree Williams is part of God's prophet!!!

Now, it's left for you to tell if Williams eventually found the truth and was part of heavenly ones.

DappaD:
The publishers of the New World Translation were not influenced by bias I assure you. They are/were completely honest in their translation work. Hebrews 13:18

The NWT published by Jehovah's Witnesses restores the name of the true God—Jehovah to appropriate places in the Bible which appears some 7,000times. For example, @Deuteronomy 6:4 your KJV would read: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD”

Meanwhile the translators of the KJV substituted God's original name, Hebrew: “YHWH”, English: “Jehovah” with the title “LORD” and no doubt this brought about the confusion of the false trinity doctrine making it difficult for a honesthearted person to distinguish between Jehovah(God) and Jesus(his Son).

In order to clear up the confusion, God's original name “Jehovah” was restored to the appropriate places where it appeared. So now, Deuteronomy 6:4 would aptly read:
“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Note that this is just one feature about this translation as there are others. Go to jw.org if you need more answers. Or you can use the link below:
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/

And the lies continue.

Why did NWT fail to use the name Jehovah in some places?

Also, it has been established by scholars that "YAHWEH" is more accurate than "Jehovah", so what's your point?

DP

MaxInDHouse:
There are hundreds of Bible versions around the world today, the King James Version (KJV) gained popularity since the time an English King (James) authorised the Orthodox Church of his time to produce the Bible in his own mother tongue. Before then there was no English version of the Bible so all the Churches under England use the Latin Bible. That's why you'll always here the Orthodox Churches pray in Latin till today!
Back then it was read in Latin so the Churchgoers don't know what is in the book it's whatever was interpreted to them by the Church fathers that they carry in their heads!
A man named "William Tyndale" was strangled to death and burnt at the stake for going ahead to make his own translation of the Bible! WHY? His Bible made it easy for the Churchgoers to read and understand what's found in the Bible and this exposed the atrocities going on in the Churches.
America is the only place where there was freedom of speech, expression and worship. So it was in America that interested translators pick up the Bible and start translating God's word for the common people. That's when the hypocrisy of the Orthodox Churches were exposed as the translators didn't follow them in adding extra verses and words to the Bible.
The KJV was authorized after so much dispute in England but those Church fathers dubiously added so many things and asked King James to sign a treaty that no other translators should try making the English version of God's word apart from the one authorized by his royal majesty King James of England that's why it's called the KJV.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES decided to produce their own version of the Bible after so many years of research to know what exactly was written in the Bible apart from things added by the Orthodox Church Fathers.
I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, the New Word Translation of the holy Scriptures is the version we are using and so far so good we are seeing the benefits Jesus promised his followers to prove that we have the TRUTH!

That means Williams Tyndale is also a churchgoer, right?

haddeylium:
The Person speaking and showing John that revelation in that chapter is an Angel. (Rev 22:8,9)
Is Jesus that Angel?

And the person speaking in Revelation 1:17-18 is also an Angel bah

MaxInDHouse:
What can you do if i choose not to oblige?

Guy go and please yourself!

because you know you're a liar like your father the Devil.

And every lying mouth will be put to shame.

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

Ambulance spotted!

Emusan is interested in the current data of JWs!

If you're not a liar, provide the link of the current data as the screenshot you posted.

I'll guide you on that, just log onto JW official website, at least for the first time ever learn to get direct info from our GB!

Nobody asks you for your guidance.

Just provide the current link here!

MaxInDHouse:
ARGUMENTATIVE Maxmumu!

You forgot to complete how i usually say "OVER 8,700,000" Sir!

As for the highlighted, thanks for the compliment!

Provide the link where you pull out your figure from to check the current data.

Is that a tedious task for you?

achorladey:
Lool, JWs don't deceive people they only have lights that gets brighter with each passing day even when sometimes the light switches off to produce darkness

This one off me

MaxInDHouse:
My ever bitter guy Emusan, i purposely posted that and i've been expecting someone to ask this question. Well that's the figure early last year but each month thousands are flocking into Jehovah's Organization, so when i say over 8.7 million any right thinking person will sense that the number must have increased Sir!

Lying liar JWs!

If the picture was early last year, it means the data for another year would have come out early this year!

So why not post the current picture

I challenge you to provide the link where you got that data from, let's see your lying liar mouth.

And if thousands are flocking in EACH MONTH your 8.7 figure shouldn't remain constant for a whole year.

Sorry I forgot you're....

Oponu radarada!

MaxInDHouse:
OK Sir, so let's make the best use of what we know about Jesus to make LOVE JOY and PEACE reign amongst our fellow believers. Galatians 5:22-23

Was there no LOVE, JOY & PEACE among them before?

Or can you show us any denominations that their members fight each other in their gathering

Throughout the earth over 8,700,000 people from different races have come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they made use of what they knew about Jesus (Michael) in the scriptures. John 17:20-23; Micah 4:1-3
I think that's the most important thing not just the head knowledge that's of no use Sir!

Even after posting a screenshot, you can still keep living under the influence of your father the Devil, the great lying liar.

The screenshot boldly written 8.6m which is as a result of 100years fruitless door to door

Yet you still claim OVER 8.7m

Meanwhile, many denominations that are even less than 30years without door to door have more than 8.6m active members.

See the reason why you need to surrender to Jesus whom in Him there was no lie.

All these while you've been shouting OVER 8.7m, you went ahead to expose your lying mouth by yourself.

I appreciate your effort in singling me out but I must tell you, I'm not a scholar of the scripture but a student who studies the scripture and many works of the reputable scholars.

vybzkartel:
Romans 8:20

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;

Questions:

1. What is the meaning of this verse?

The meaning is to understand that creatures as a whole are in their decaying state and they need to be rescued.

This is a fact that even the great minds in the universe know about.

Our universe is decaying day by day.

2. Who did the subjection?

God did it but not from beginning

3. What time did he do the subjection?

Afyer the fall of Man!

Let me clarify something here, thou you might not be able to grab it at first.

When Adam (The Man and the Woman) sinned, we read that God CURSED them.

Let me shock you here!

If you study the word CURSE in that content you'll simply realize that God was just withdrawing His sustainable power from them and creation as a whole.

4. When was this subjection done?

When God withdrawn His sustainable power

5. What and who constitute creation?

The creation here simply refers to Adam(Man) and everything under the care of Adam.

Thanks very much

You're welcome!

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't forget the modalities, we agreed to make it a question and answer chatting.

I've answered your question.
I believe that Jesus is my Master, LORD and King so that's taken.

Jesus is your Master, LORD and King?

Yet you twist Jesus word and didn't believe in the testimony of the Father who sent His Son.

But Jesus said "Not everyone saying to me LORD! LORD!! will enter into the kingdom of the heavens but those doing the will of my father who is in the heavens will"

The question is What is the will of Jesus' father? since it's what Jesus said matters most!

Jesus Himself said

ASV: For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40

The will of the Father is to believe on the one He sent.

And to believe in Jesus "12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:" is to become God's Children "who were [a]born, not of [b]blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13

Which corroborate with Jesus statement that not everyone saying to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but those doing the will of my Father which is in heaven.

That's why you and millions who will live forever in paradise earth are not doing the will of Jesus Father because all those doing the Father's will enter into kingdom of heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
But can you expatiate on what Jesus meant when he said "Not everyone saying to me 'LORD! LORD!!' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens but those doing the will of my Father who is the heavens will" Matthew 7:21

A thorough meditation on Jesus' comment here indicates something more than just a confession, so what exactly is the will of Jesus' father who is IN HEAVEN?

I love it when JWs used this verse.

So we can then say, you and the millions who will live forever on paradise earth aren't doing Jesus' Father will that's why you won't enter the kingdom of heaven.

because it's very clear from Christ statement that ONLY those who are doing His Father's will, will enter into kingdom of heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Emusan, let freshboi88 and i do the discussion while you watch for the moment.

If we're through then you can pick up the challenge, but for now it's just for two Sir!

Thanks!

You can open your own thread on that and who are you to tell others on what to do on a forum like this?

Isn't it about FRUIT again?

MaxInDHouse:
Oh Emusan, i don't have your time anymore.
Unless you are prepared for the challenge just two persons.
So do you want to take up the challenge or you're just in for the market women?

"All it's by fruit not how lousy" says by you!

So if it's by fruit you should have more fruits than anyone else but what is the reality on ground? Even denominations that spring out less than 30years have more fruits than your demonic organization of over 100years.

I know the clown will try to come up with another excuse now!

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!
So you're still on this matter?
My friend you don't know what you're into but i'm a noble man with heart full of appreciation for God's work. That's why i've been liberal with you since.
But if truly you have the liver to chat on this issue let's make it a debate between just two of us, i promise not to insult, abuse nor curse you, but you're free to express yourself in any way after all it's by the fruit not how lousy.
Are you ready to take up the challenge?

Yes, it's by the fruit! No wonder your population is so insignificant despite being in existence for over 100 years because God is not in support of your founders.

DappaD:
I've told you times without number that you must consider how other scriptures define something similar so that the understanding can become clearer.

Normal way of lying liar JWs!

Do you also consider how others scriptures define something similar?

Hypocrite!!!

For instance, @Exodus 3:8, Jehovah said:
“I will go down and rescue Israel from Egypt”

But after God said these words, the record show that Jehovah sent his angelic representative and Moses to carry out this task. Exodus 3:10, 14:19, 23:20

Jehovah even told Moses that they needed to listen to the voice of that angel because his name and spirit was upon him! Exodus 23:22

What does this prove? It proves that Jesus when he was on earth, never said he was God but that he came in the name of his Father. Matthew 23:39, Psalm 118:26
And that Jehovah's holy spirit was upon him. Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18

So whenever you see the words: “I am coming”—just know that those words originate from Jehovah(Revelation 22:12-13) but it's Jesus whom he sends to basically act on those orders that Jesus receives from his Father and God, Jehovah since according to him he cannot do a single thing on his own and he needs a go-ahead before he can do anything. Matthew 28:18, John 8:28, Revelation 19:11-15

This is direct word of Jesus to John in Revelation 1

[b]10 On the Lord’s day the Spirit took control of me, and behind me I heard a loud voice that sounded like a trumpet. 11 The voice said, “Write in a book what you see. Then send it to the seven churches in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

12 When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. 13 There with the lampstands was someone who seemed to be the Son of Man. He was wearing a robe that reached down to his feet, and a gold cloth was wrapped around his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white as wool or snow, and his eyes looked like flames of fire. 15 His feet were glowing like bronze being heated in a furnace, and his voice sounded like the roar of a waterfall. 16 He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp double-edged sword was coming from his mouth. His face was shining as bright as the sun at noon.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead person. But he put his right hand on me and said: Don’t be afraid! I am the first, the last,18 and the living one. I died, but now I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys to death and the world of the dead.[/b] Rev 1:10-18 CEV

And if you actually follow your own advice above, then you'd have seen that Jesus here is making affirmative claim that only God can utter.

1. The first and the last (which is the meaning of Alpha and Omega)

2. The Living One - Only God is the living One.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Jesus (Michael) is the Alfa and Omega but JEHOVAH is the Almighty Sir who has no beginning nor end!

May you have PEACE!

How come you agreed that Jesus is Alpha and Omega but your brothers seem to disagree?

But Jehovah is also Alpha and Omega!

And the meaning of Alpha and Omega is "THE BEGINNING AND THE END"

Truly you people can twist anything just to suit your demonic doctrines.

We're very familiar with some of the events recorded about Jesus Christ the Saviour but I've noticed that people don't really pay attention to this particular one.

There were occasions in Scripture when Jesus wept and lamented. It seems logical to ask ourselves then, why did the saviour of the world weep and lament?

achorladey:
You see your COULD. Stephen can't relate with with the ONE he cannot see. Na so speculation and assumptions dey start

Just imagine different delusions in one post.

1. Stephen's eyes were open to see Jehovah and Jesus standing by the right hand of side of God's throne {Act 7:55-56}

2. surely between the two persons he was seeing

3. Stephen COULD relate with the person he knew face to face than the one no man can see! Exodus 33:20 "When he already said: "Stephen's eyes were opened to see JEHOVAH" yet the deluded JWs still goes further to cite a scripture claiming "THE ONE NO MAN CAN SEE"

We can say Stephen is a SPIRIT THEN

4. Stephen knew for sure that the power or energy for all the dead to return back to life (spirit) has been given to Jesus, so he spoke directly to Jesus.

When you realize that prayer is about talking to a being higher than one.

5. But regarding prayer Jesus taught them to pray to his father who is their father and his God who is their God JEHOVAH! John 20:17

When everything has already been handed to Jesus...

Barristter07:
The enemy camp is in shambles

Emusan saying one thing, livingchrist saying another . O ma se o

All men are flesh and blood . In short , no human can see God.

That's why I will continue to say you lack simple comprehension.

Flesh and blood refer to sinful/frail nature of man.

Or you want to deny that the term "flesh and blood" wasn't used for sinful/frail man.

So we're saying the same thing, when this flesh and blood is taking over by the Spirit of God then man experiences real spiritual things.

That's why you keep reading something like "I was in the SPIRIT"; "The spirit of God carried me" from many Biblical people before they relate spiritual things we have in the Bible.

None of them achieve it through sinful/frail nature.

Barristter07:
Even after Jesus told you no man has seen him at ANYTIME

God is a liar right ?

Was Jesus talking about God's face or God as a whole.
Remember you provided a scripture where MOSES saw God

Go back and read Jesus statement very well to understand His point..
clown.

Barristter07:
Silly liar , a direct question was asked, he said previous post .

So where from my answer you saw "ONLY A GLORIFIED HUMANS"

you can see how you keep lying for your god


Tueh...

Didn't Moses have the same Spirit even in larger quantity ?

" Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. " Exodus 33:11

Verse 20 , 23 ' No man can see my Face and live ! ... Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. '

What's the Usage of Face in this two context ?

To cure your delusion with the Ezekiel verse.

God decides not to show His face to Moses at that time.

Didn't people see God's face in vision?

Now, it's the USAGE OF FACE in two context

Clown....

Since no man can see his Face and live, God won't reveal his Face to any man. This is why Moses can only see his back.

Yes no man can see His face and live, that's the ordinary frail man but with God chooses who He can reveal Himself to is different.

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

Why did you edit this post nah!

So you just feel like arguing with JWs!

You said "Yes man can see God and live"

The point is "no man can see God and live" that's what the scriptures says!

But people saw God and live, isn't that also in your scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
I disagree with you on this!
God performs miracles everyday both in the lives of the good and evil {Matthew 5:45} here you are talking about spectacular miraculous events as signs of true worship but it can't serve such purpose again!

Says you or the scripture, that it can't serve such purpose again?

If real miracles aren't serving such purpose no need for Christ to warn His followers about falling for fake miracles.

We all have working brains, nobody who works with the printing and minting where original currencies are made that could be deceived by fake notes. For such a person to be deceived it must be that he is no more in possession of the original currencies at that point in time and he needs it!

I love this your point, this is the reason there are many denominations and different religions on earth today. That's why one can use his/her working brain to find solace in one particular group or religion today and later dump it for another one but with God's life changing miracles the conviction is permanent.

I disagree with you on this too!
There are many things his audience don't understand yet Jesus will leave it until they're able to learn with time. He only corrects them if time can't solve such problems.

Does this happen in the case of Nicodemus?

What happened in Egypt can't be a case study because both Moses and the Egyptian magicians performed excellently until God himself stepped in to stop the demons behind the magicians from further performance.

It's the same thing! Remember you said "GOD STEPS IN"

Isn't that God's miracles we're talking about here?

Jesus never said there is going to be any sign to distinguish between the fake and original miracles in fact he said "even the chosen (born again Christians) could be deceived" {Matthew 24:24} meaning there is no chance of differentiating between the real and fake miracles during the endtime!

This shows that real miracles still exist if not no need of warning people or almost being deceived.

Jesus could've said see; anyone you see performing miracles is of the Devil because no miracles again after I'm gone but for Jesus to say some believers would be almost deceived by fake miracles means they will confuse fake miracle for real.

The discerning spirit given to Jesus' disciples has nothing to do with fake or original miracles because it's by their fruit that Jesus said they will be distinguished {Matthew 7:15-20} meaning the level of performance in good works that will draw the attention of unbelievers.

SMH...

So what is the purpose of the discerning spirit then, if not for distinguishing between spirit of lies and true spirit of God?

Good work!!! Who have right to determine man's good work apart from God?

Even by their FRUIT many of these fake people still disguised as Angel of Light (if only you understand what that means) which is the reason DISCERNING SPIRIT was given to distinguish them.

If it's about spectacular performance of signs even Jesus himself know that demons can perform exactly the same thing anytime, the only thing they can't do is help their agents to do fine works of FAITH! James 2:18-26

Which still proves that it doesn't mean REAL MIRACLES from God won't happen again.

Barristter07:
The question was asked at 10:18am , December 15 , Can ANY human see God Face and live ?

To which you replied

" Yes! After ressurection "

Which means seeing God is reserved for Glorified humans. This Prompt the question of Moses and other being glorified.

Yet you can't provide where I said ONLY glorified humans can see God.

My Yes! After resurrection is to your previous post where you said those in heaven can't be human since they will see God's face.

You can see how deluded and lack of simple comprehension you are now.

According to Jesus, No MAN has seen God at ANYTIME.

Yes! Except the one the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Stephen while stoning to death saw God.

People saw God in the vision.

Moses and the Elders , none of them saw his Face , the case of Moses it was specifically written that Moses saw his back

" Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. ”

The Almighty cannot lie, no man can see him and Live . His Face must not be seen by an human , it's automatic death .

So the scripture was a lie when God says they will see His face when He put His Holy Spirit on them.

God isn't a liar but your deluded brain is the problem here.

Yes no man can see God's face and live but God can reveal Himself to who ever He wants.

Many people saw God in a vision, at least you can't deny that.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus confirmed that satanists will perform great miraculous works but he will deny knowing them! Matthew 7:21-23

But that doesn't mean God will stop performing miracles.

You are counting on the words of Nicodemus not on what Jesus himself said. However let's go by your own understanding of real versus fake miracles.

Nicodemus words are made right in front of Jesus, for Jesus not to correct him makes it valid.

And Nicodemus was right, the miracle of God always supersedes that of the devil, case study is MOSES in the land of Egypt.

So how can you distinguish between the two?

Note what Jesus said @ Matthew 7:21-23 before responding!

The Holy Spirit gives different gifts, one of it is discerning spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:10

MaxInDHouse:
If i say only JWs are the true Christian group you will start abusing and insulting me.

Is it today you've been saying it and since you've been saying it, does it stop the work of God going in the lives of millions believers in the world?

I said i'm done with arguments, you brought what interest me and asked questions to know if you can explain further. Then the next thing is thinking about arguments when i actually wanted to more from you.

So you can know more from apostates but we all know it's a pure lies.

Just say you hide behind your keyboard and when your lying spirit can't take it anymore since you don't have life outside Nairaland, so you develop the pulse and can't resist the urge to comment.

Well that's the reason why i always tell you that JWs are the one and only group given the ability to preach and teach with mild temper and deep respect for those who pick interest in their words!

Keep saying it, the day you'll stop saying it is the day your delusion will be cured.

Barristter07:
No HuMAn can see God's face and live . Moses is no ordinary human,

" And Jehovah came down in the cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and put it upon the seventy elders: "

Moses Spirit is so high that a little from him was comfortably shared among 70 elders . Yet he can't see his face .

Those isrealites see Moses as a god. God knows Moses intimately. So what are you telling us ?


Another scenario is the Fact that your joke just made those isrealites Glorified humans since you said only Glorified humans can see God. Glorified humans with flesh and blood.


Guy

If I ask you to provide where I said "ONLY GLORIFIED HUMANS can see God" now you'll be perambulating like a confused person.

Like I do say, your lack of simple comprehension will continue to put you into more scriptural problems.

MOSES and other people were empowered with the Holy Spirit at some point but that doesn't mean THEY MUST AUTOMATICALLY see God's face.

The verse I quoted is to proof to you that when God wants a frail human to see Him and His face, He knows the best way to do that.

One of it is through vision like John and Stephen
Another one is the case where God put His Spirit on the elders to see His face.

No man can see God's face is simply means no frail man in his ordinary nature can do that.

Even when God wanted to reveal a part of Him to Moses, He had to cover MOSES face with His hand which is in form of anointing (like washing) his eyes to make it extraordinary eyes.

Jesus said, "No one knows who the Father is except the Son and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, but the ONE THE SON CHOOSES to REVEAL HIM"

Get Bible knowledge, it will help you you.

Barristter07:
Owner that was given Children

Yes! The children through Salvation He brought but MANKIND belongs to Him as ALL THINGS were created by Him and for Him.

Barristter07:
So they are now glorified human ? O ma se ooooo

Moses doesn't have God's spirit?

The point of that verse is that Human with the help of God can see God's face ONLY FRAIL human can't.

With the spirit of God in man, the person no long ordinary human.

Reason Adam lost everything and afraid of coming to God's presence.

MOSES was a frail man.