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Barristter07:
ONLY the Father knows, do you believe this ?

Do you believe HOLY SPIRIT knows the MIND OF GOD?

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, LYING dullard

[b]Hebrews 3:7-8 & Psalms 97:7-8, Precedence.. the way Yahweh dey do am..
Who speaks through His holy spirit?

When Mr LIENUS calls or texts, who speaks through his phone?

Psalm 95:7-8
For He is our God, and we are the people of His pasture, the sheep under His care. Today, if you hear His voice,8do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness,…"

Hebrews 3:7-8
"Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you hear His voice, 8do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness,…"

But the lying liar JWs first claimed that JWs don't say God speaks THROUGH the Holy Spirit rather GOD uses Holy Spirit to speak through people but now the lying liar ask if "I make calls or texts, who speaks THROUGH his phone?"

I guess the Holy Spirit is the phone here.

Here are the scriptures that'll continue to put your lying mouth in shame.

But Jesus says "Whatever He(Holy Spirit) hears He will SPEAK"

And the scripture also recorded that "as they are Minister unto Him, the Holy Spirit Says separate me Barnabas and Paul..."

Here is Jesus saying The Holy Spirit can SPEAK and the lying liar JWs says Holy Spirit can't speak.

Continue to lie for your beloved father the Devil, he's very proud of you!

Blabbermouth:
Your spirit, body and soul analogy looks sweet on the surface until it is properly scrutinized.

Your body, your spirit and your soul are not independent of your person!

Imagine me raping you and then tell whoever cares to listen - I didn't rape his soul, I raped the body. The body isn't complaining, only the busybody soul. In fact, since the body didn't complain and reacted beautifully to my ministration, it was a consensual sex.

One thing so obvious in this your post is that, you took human analogy to be exactly as that of God without considering the fact that God is UNLIMITED.

The Body, soul and spirit analogy acknowledges human limitation but shows unlimited God.

As human whenever our beloved ones are traveling we do tell them "I will be with you in spirit" literally

When we say this, we really mean it but since we are limited by our nature then we just take it as literal word.

If Trinity is three persons in One God (body) in this case and God is unlimited, do you think The SPIRIT can't be sent out and God still remains God?

Do you think God's Word is exactly like human word, even thou He can make His word audible for us to hear?

Despite the few descriptions and revelations we have in the scripture about God and Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ still makes a statement that shows God can't be FULLY PHANTOM by ordinary human understanding.

NLT: “My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” Matt 11:27

Luke captured this also in Luke 10:22

Many people don't pay attention to this statement of our Lord and Savior but it's worthy to consider because God doesn't function like human even though many human analogies were used to describe Him.

If you're ever have a glance of divine revelation of heaven, you will understand better.

DappaD:
Certainly, Jehovah can prove to be whatever he needs to be in order for his purposes to be accomplished. He has numerous titles e.g. Sovereign Lord, Judge, Grand Instructor, etc
2Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 30:20, James 4:12

The meaning is "I will become what I will become"

There must be a reason for that

@Exodus 3:7-10, Jehovah saw the burden and suffering the Israelites had to go through and he was moved to bring an end to all of it.
So he sent Moses and an angel and Jehovah himself PROVED to be the Deliverer of Israel.
Exodus 20:2

All of a sudden, the meaning of Jehovah has changed.

Double mouthed people.

But did he have to metamorphosize into Moses or the angel to rescue the Israelites?

The question is, has Jehovah ever proved His name (I will become what I will become) at any point in time?

What makes think he won't follow his own standards regarding the salvation of obedient humans? John 3:16
By sending his Son—like he did with Moses—Jehovah proved to be the only Saviour who has no equals. Isaiah 43:11

Regarding the Salvation of Human, God promised to be the solution By Himself.

That's why we have many prophesies from the old testament saying Yahweh will come.

All of these proves that absolutely nothing can hinder God from accomplishing his purposes. It doesn't mean he would act anyhow he likes since he himself is zealous for following his own righteous standards. Deuteronomy 32:4, 2Samuel 22:31, Psalm 103:8-10

What are the righteous standards of God that He will violate by becoming Human, when He can become whatever He chooses to become?

Besides, the point is still, the meaning of Jehovah is "I will become what I will become"

P.S.: I'm not giving this reply for your own sake but for those who are silent observers.

Does it matter?

Silent observers indeed, I guess they're the GB who will see how their follower is making them proud.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS go give Satan tutorial in the art of LYING..

Strong's:
ἐκεῖνος
that one (or (neuter) thing); often intensified by the article prefixed
Derivation: from G1563;
G1565 derived from G1563..
Which sex is Greek neuter?
"That one " doesn't mean gender, WAYO man
.

Mr LIENUS SHAME ON YOU, LIAR !

Do you have shame?

I guess you don't.

Why can't you screenshot the Greek concordance as you did for the interliner?

because you know your lying mouth will be exposed more and more.

Here is the concordance again and everyone can see the Neuter in the bracket which means "That One" is for other gender.


◄ 1565. ekeinos ►
Strong's Concordance
ekeinos: that one [b](or neut. that thing), often intensified by the art. preceding
Original Word: ἐκεῖνος, η, ο
Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
Transliteration: ekeinos
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-i'-nos)
Definition: that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the article preceding
Usage: that, that one there, yonder.

Which means the translators that used "He" and "That ONE" are all saying the same thing.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS,
God uses the holy spirit to speak THROUGH people" ,Yes !

Mr LIENUS,you are contradicting yourself... Holy spirit can NOT speak by itself, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
It came from God, it reveals only what God directs, WAYO man.

But Jesus says "Whatever He(Holy Spirit) hears He will SPEAK"

And the scripture also recorded that "as they are Minister unto Him, the Holy Spirit Says separate me Barnabas and Paul..."

I know you can deny anything, is it not you who open your dirty mouth on this forum to shout Jesus of the Bible never says He is Alpha and Omega

The lying liar like your father the Devil.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, What comes from the God, reveals only what God directs..
Your phone has ears, is your phone a person? Who speaks and who hears through your phone? ..

This lying liar won't cease to amaze someone
Phone has EARS.....Oma se oooo

@color

See how the lying liar edited the meaning just to make it looks like it's supporting his lying doctrine.

Janosky:
Strong's:
ἐκεῖνος
[b]that one (or (neuter) thing); often intensified by the article prefixed
Derivation: from G1563;
Greek 1565... "That one..." John 14:26 & John 15:26 confirmento

For the same reason @ Romans 8:16,26, Darby Bible, KJV and NWT were very ACCURATE.
**King James Version
The Spirit itself [/b]bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"

**[b]Darby Bible Translation
The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God."

Mr LIENUS, your Trinity mentors changed greek1565 "that one" to "He..".
Your very DUBIOUS mentors

Trinity scam DECEIVING 3 idol deity devotees.
[/b]

Olodo of the century, wonder why you pass your English in school.

The concordance you posted even exposed your ignorance and lack of simple comprehension.

"THAT ONE" is used for other genders you can even see that "Or Neu (which stands for Neuter) is THAT THING"

You crop "THAT" out from it Ole...

Here is the concordance again

◄ 1565. ekeinos ►

Strong's Concordance

ekeinos: that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the art. preceding

Original Word: ἐκεῖνος, η, ο
Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
Transliteration: ekeinos
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-i'-nos)
Definition: that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the article preceding
Usage: that, that one there, yonder.

Which means the translators that used "He" and "That ONE" are all saying the same thing.

DappaD:
Question: Can God send himself on errands and be at two places at the same time?
Person boldly open mouth answer YES!

But you believe the meaning of Jehovah to be "I will become what I will become"

Question: Has Jehovah proved this to be true at anytime?

freshboi88:
I am not your pupil, so u cannot be given me assignment. State your opinion here if u have any. Sign of defeat my friend

Go and ask your elder.

Elder Elder freshboi kill me, e kill me!!!!!!!......Bandage don full your body by now. U fit still waka well so.

Elder ke...

I remember having a discussion with one of their elders about Holy Spirit, could you believe that the man didn't know about John 16:13 where Jesus said the Holy Spirit will not:

1. SPEAK ON HIS OWN
2. Will only SPEAK what He hears

This is the verse

CEV: The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn’t speak on his own. He will tell you only what he has heard from me, and he will let you know what is going to happen.

For Holy Spirit not to speak on HIS OWN means He has a mind which is also confirmed in the scripture.

Another point is that the Holy Spirit can HEAR.

I don't know description of a person that is more than this.

freshboi88:
Now he said it was Paul that said it. Not the Holy Spirit again


How many vessels does God need to convey a message nitori olorun

The spirit of their father the Devil is really working in them.

What would have saved them is to say that "God uses the Holy Spirit (since it emanating from God Himself) to speak THROUGH people"

But since the scripture has it in many places where The Holy Spirit said to SPEAK BY HIMSELF, so their confusion begins and watchtower must be defended.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what most of you don't know!

Really!!!

Who doesn't know the god of JWs

That person must be a baby Christian.

Our God differ from yours,

Yes! because you are of your father the Devil.

otherwise there won't be all these endless arguments.

Says the hypocrite who goes up and down on Nairaland arguing meaninglessly.

So since you know now go out there and FISH for worshipers while we go out to do our own business as well.

Were you the one who instructed them before they have the number of followers they have today?
They have been going out and FISH that's why they can gather followers more than you.

There is freedom of speech expression and worship today, the judgment is in God's hands! Revelations 22:11

So you know this but you keep talking authoritatively as if you're God who will judge everyone.

MaxInDHouse:
The same active force God blew into Adam's nostril in the beginning {Genesis 2:7} this force is to sustain Adam's breath as long as he lives but at death the force returns to God who gave it! Job 27:3; Psalms 104:29; Ecclesiastes 12:7

May you have PEACE!

So it was Holy Spirit that Jehovah blew into Adam Nostril....

Wonders of JWs abracadabra.

DappaD:
That guy in particular feels that someone must be at his beck and call at all times when most of us are busy with field service.

And the filed service struggling to produce just 9m followers for over 100years whereas the people who didn't busy with field service have produced much followers in less than 100 years.

DappaD:
Okay should I spoonfeed you?
David uttered and wrote what is now Psalm 95 compare Hebrews 4:7 but why does Paul at Hebrews 3:7 say that it was holy spirit who spoke when in reality it was David?
The answer is at 2Peter 1:21
Faithful men of old were moved by God's holy spirit to make inspired utterances and in order to accomplish God's will. That's the case with Acts 13:2.

How long will you people realize that you can ONLY SPEAK THROUGH a VESSEL that is an object.

Holy Spirit spoke through PEOPLE.

So for Jehovah to speak through the Holy Spirit, it means Holy Spirit must have mouth to utter the words of Jehovah.

The people that Holy Spirit spoke through them, didn't they relate the messages with mouth?

The evidences that Holy Spirit has mouth are abounds in the scripture

freshboi88:
This one you dey talk nah story story.. Twisted interpretation.

Let's not argue too much.

Bros, Abeg just provide one Bible translation of Acts 13:2 of the Bible way support this your Jehovah spoke through the Holy Spirit. I will believe you!.

Just one abeg. Nah only one I ask. Cos remember the Bible nah our guide o not JW awake magazine o

Imagine, Jehovah speaking through a force that emanating from Himself.

That is to say, Jehovah is talking to Himself when Holy Spirit is in action.

That's the kind of delusions you see from people who choose to follow man made doctrines than The Word of God.

Janosky:
Hosea 12:3-4
"Their ancestor Jacob struggled with his twin brother Esau while the two of them were still in their mother's womb; when Jacob grew up, he fought against God— 4 he fought against an angel and won. He wept and asked for a blessing. And at Bethel God came to our ancestor Jacob and spoke with him.

Acts 5:1-3, boi apply your fictitious claim and logic to Hosea chapter 12, verses 3 & 4.

Cherry picker

The questions now are:

Who did Jacob actually fight against?
Who did Ananias actually lie against?

MaxInDHouse:
@highlighted
I need no excuse since i'm not a worshiper of your TRINITY god nah!

Where i must maintain my status is amongst JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, there's nothing as in NOTHING that can shake my feet on the rocky foundation of the Watchtower!

And this is because you don't love Jesus, if not Jesus would've revealed Himself to you as He promised in John 14:21 "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Call it anything you want, go PREACH and TEACH your truth out there i'm 100% certain that you'll get your type but definitely not one of JEHOVAH'S Sheep!

Always shouting go Preach and Teach as if they don't do and even better than the worshippers of the 8 men.

MaxInDHouse:
In that case you're 100% OK Sir so continue bearing the fruit the reward is not far away! Revelations 22:11-12

You're not Master Jesus who instructed His True followers to continue to bear fruit as He will surely be with them and that He will come with His reward.

So stop repeating that line!

You can just say OK and move on

Janosky:
That's your own business.. Psalms 146:3
JWs trust the word of our God, Jehovah is alive and exert power Hebrews 4:12, as we see the fulfillment of Luke 21:7, 10, 11:
"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences.”

The Bible also foretells that during the time of the end, there will be “deadly plague.”​—Revelation 6:8.
These events (pestilences and deadly plagues etc) will take place before God's kingdom comes -the best solution for mankind's problems Matthew 6:10 and 2 Peter 3:13, Rev 21:4-5

So where is the word of your god, when Awake was busy using the work of scientists?

Since your GB don't have anything in Jesus, that's why they can't receive any messages from Him after many failed prophecies, they now resort to "Oh No! JWs don't prophesy, we only reveal the truth from the Scripture"

Janosky:
Very DUBIOUS claim to support a man made scam.
The English language Bible Translators DUBIOUSLY fixed "He" in that verse.
Romans 8:16,26, John 1:32, Romans 8:16, Romans 8:26, and I Peter 1:11KJV accurately reads " holy spirit ITSELF" as it is in the Greek manuscript , because the Translators knew that's the proper and accurate rendition every time. .

If you DUBIOUSLY claim that the finger of God is a person, you are also LYING that the eyes and ears of God are persons.

So all the English Bible translations are Dubious apart from NWT, bah?

Since you claim they are Dubious, can you show us the original Greek word used in that verse and let's see how the same word was used in other places

Janosky:
None at all !

The Awake! , 22nd December,2005 in the caption "INFLUENZA- what we know now" quoted a 2003 article from a Medical Journal , The Vaccine".

"Could It Come Back? " (Subheading)
According to many experts, it is not a question of if such a vicious flu virus will return but of when and how it will return. In fact, some expect a significant new influenza outbreak every 11 years or so and a severe one approximately every 30 years. According to these predictions, mankind is overdue for another pandemic.

The medical journal Vaccine reported in 2003: “It has been 35 years since the last influenza pandemic, and the longest interval between pandemics recorded with certainty is 39 years.” The article continued: “The pandemic virus may emerge in China or a nearby country and could include surface antigens or virulence factors derived from animal influenza viruses.”

The Vaccine article predicted concerning the virus: “It will spread rapidly throughout the world. Several waves of infection will occur. Morbidity will be extensive in all age groups, and there will be widespread disruption of social and economic activity in all countries. Excess mortality will be evident in most if not all age groups. It is unlikely that health care systems in even the most economically developed countries will be able to adequately cope with the demand for health care services.”

That means we can trust those scientists more than people behind the publication of Awake.

Mrshape:
Prophecies are inspired outrance of a prophet. But that was a scientific prediction.

Who is that SCIENTIST among JWs that made the prediction?
Care to know...

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Mr Emusan please continue in the things you were taught to believe so far it's yielding positive results Sir! 1Timothy 4:15

You don't need to tell me this simply because we've been doing that and Jesus Christ has been faithful with us and increasing our fruits as Jesus Himself said "Without me you can do NOTHING" and "Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me."

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry to intervene in your discussion Sir!

What you listed is not the nature of all spirits!
Note that some people were insane in Jesus' day and it was as a result of spirit possessing them {Matthew 8:28-34} did you see the negative effect of those spirits on those possessed and the herd of pigs?

OK!

So God is a spirit also all his heavenly sons (angels) this angels can favor or harm at will based on their countenance {Luke 1:19-20} but the active force of God only does things that will bring honour and praise to God that's why it is called "Holy Spirit" those attributes you listed up there belongs only to God's active force (Holy Spirit)

@color
I keep wondering why you people will proof the personhood of the Holy Spirit in one breath and in the same vein denied His personality.

You said "only does things that will bring honour and praise to God"

For this statement to be true, it means the Holy Spirit is a separate identity from God and Has a MIND and WILL of His own (which is true according to the scripture) but your claim of Holy Spirit as an active force of God is meaningless since the above statement is true.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever heard someone say "you've not known me by my name" {Exodus 6:3} even when you've been calling him by the same name? Genesis 18:3

Well when someone says "in the name of" the meaning is deeper than what most people think!

And the fact is that, the Holy Spirit has a name which negates your initial post that He doesn't!

Blabbermouth:
Lol. We both know you are spiritually kidding.
Yhwh is God's name, The Holy One is a title/eulogy.

Jesus is the Lord's name, the savior is a title/office.

The spirit of the holy one is the holy spirit. That's not a name!

This is funny considering that when God disclosed the name to Moses, we read that God says "This will be my name" which means prior to that time, God wasn't using that name.

At least the fact from the scripture is that The Holy Spirit has a name according to Jesus, if not Jesus will be wrong.

Blabbermouth:
That verse is one of the reasons why I'm interested in knowing that name.

Do you know his name?

If you read the scripture very well you'll have familiar with the phrase "The Spirit" used for Holy Spirit in many times.

Besides, Holy Spirit is a name on it's own.

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Jesus is Michael (Archangel) though he was the only creature directly created by God, that's why he's referred to as the only begotten son of God {John 3:16} as the first creature in God's image he himself is a god {John 1:1} he was the one and only person with God before the creation of all other things! John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16

During the creation of all other things God used Jesus like his master employee to do many things {Proverbs 8:22, 30} of all the works God used Jesus to create the most appealing to Jesus is humans! Proverbs 8:31

That's why Jesus often feel pained whenever humans suffer, he purposely came to gather the lost sheep of the house of Israel for a special arrangement {Matthew 15:24} but Satan has done a lot of homework on the Jews so by the time Jesus arrived as the promised Messiah his own people have been thoroughly brainwashed to the extent that they rejected him! John 1:11, 9:22

But few amongst the Jews put faith in him and Jesus was overjoyed at least Satan is put to shame {Luke 10:18} so when Jesus now saw how his own friends who have put faith in him were crying just because of DEATH that will soon be conquered (Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:3-4} Jesus couldn't just stand it anymore that's why he gave way to tear! John 11:35[/s]

Irrelevant!

He cried not only because his faithful friends were suffering due to the sin of Adam and Eve, but he felt the long years that still lies ahead that his obedient children (by faith) will have to bear the pains of loosing their loved ones just as Mary and Martha were agonized at the death of their brother Lazarus!

Well this is accurate but didn't capture the whole instances where Jesus wept and groaned.

mariahAngel:
Jesus Christ wept out of compassion for those that were hurting. When you hurt, Jesus hurts too because He loves.

But he wept not once and at different occasions. He even wept over Jerusalem.

MaxInDHouse:
It's only persons that have names, JEHOVAH is the name of the Most High God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} JESUS is the name of God's only begotten SON, but God's Holy Spirit is not a person rather it's God's active force so it doesn't have a personal name!

If Holy Spirit doesn't have a personal name, then Jesus was wrong to have said Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Is this not in your NWT?

Blabbermouth:
I know the God of Israel has a name, numerous titles and other personal names.

I know the Lord Jesus has a name, numerous titles and many other names.

So I'm asking, does the holy spirit have a name? If so, what is(are) the name(s)?

Jesus said Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

If Holy Spirit doesn't have a name, then Jesus would have wrong to baptize in THE NAME of the Holy Spirit.