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MaxInDHouse:
Peace Mr Emusan, May you have Peace!

Peace Mr MaxInHouse, may you have Peace!

Barristter07:
1 Cor 8:6

" yet *we* have but one God, the Father, who is the source of all things "
Emphasis on ALL, everything. I was right. Only the Father was an agent of himself. Not Jesus

Which led to the next point below

Jesus is the SOURCE OF LIFE, which makes you a liar for saying Jesus isn't the source of ANYTHING

The emphasis is on ANYTHING

So both the Father and the Son are SOURCE OF CREATION, which is while the scripture can say ALL THINGS came through them.

Here is the logic .

If all things came through the son, it means nothing came through the Father. He wasn't the agent.

Your logic is awkward!

Didn't the scripture say ALL THINGS came through the Son?

You're trying to change the narration by "IF ALL THINGS"

But if something responsible for everything came through the Father , he therefore is an agent of all things by virtue of what came through him.

Likewise the Son because ALL THINGS came through the Son as well.

Are you implying that everything was through the son , and nothing came through the Father ?

See the idiot, he wants to put word in my mouth.

The scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Son and the Father.

Is scripture lying here?

The only way out of tht question is if you tell us if Father and son are the same persons. ( U already said they are the same, now specify, same what ?)

Finally your lying mouth has been exposed, it means I didn't say "the Father and the Son are the same persons" lying liar JWs.

They are the same BEING!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and read Nebuchadnezzar's word in different versions of the Bible then come back and let us chat. Daniel 4:30
May you have Peace!

So you can direct people to other versions, do you also read Bible passages from other versions to know how they were structured?

I've read it and didn't see where anywhere Nebuchadnezzar said he built the city by HIMSELF AND ALONE, or he did it with his OWN HANDS.

OR any version described how he laid just one brick.

compare to God speaking in creation!

"It is I who by my great power and my outstretched arm have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me. Jer 27:5

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, Isaiah 44:24

I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host. Isaiah 45:12

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, Neh 9:6


And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. Gen 2:3

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Job 38:4

It will be a dishonesty on the part of God if actually it was another being doing this and God is making all these claims.

Barristter07:
You see why you are silly, According to 1Corinthians 8:6 , all things came from the Father. He alone is the source, so Jesus was an agent on his behalf. Jesus is not the source of anything.

Stop giving your nickname to other, you're the most silly one here.

It's like you wake up with lies this morning.

@red & blue, But Jesus is the source of life. So Father alone isn't the SOURCE and you lied again that Jesus isn't the SOURCE of Anything.

You can see how you people keep making scripture and God a liar.

So if the Father was said to be an agent of himself , for which creation ?

The Son was also said to be an agent of Himself since ALL THINGS came through both.

No, he is not lying, He Alone does it . We arrive at the point, He can claim Glory for whatever he does through others. Because they relied on his power

Making claim on what other did which you didn't do is dishonesty and has no integrity.

The scripture described how God uses His OWN HANDS in creation.

How God HIMSELF participated in the creation without ANYBODY ASSISTING HIM.

All these scriptures will be a lie and make God a dishonest person if actually He did use a being and latter claiming glory for it.

You saw a question mark,

Father and son are same what ?

Show me where I said, they are the same persons

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

Father and son are different persons. So it's illogical that same thing came through both.

But the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Who should we believe, you or the scripture?

Apart from the things that came through the son, what came through the Father ?

ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Barristter07:
Came " Through him " , an agent of Himself .

Scriptural Fact

Now see your life outside!

So The Son is also an agent of HIMSELF since ALL THINGS are through Him.

Moses a god assisted, yes or no ?

Then God is lying that a god didn't assist Him, yes or no?

You can only make sense if both are the same persons,

Show me where I said Father and Son are the same persons.

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

anything else you will have to tell us what came through the Father that didn't came through the son

See the deluded JWs who we should be asking if there's anything that came through the Father that didn't come through the son, when the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

to justify that something truly came from the Father.

Another lie, SOMETHING didn't come from the Father, rather ALL THINGS came from the Father, which scripture likewise says ALL THINGS came from the Son.

Father and Son are the same what?

Until you show me where I said they are the same PERSONS.

MaxInDHouse:
Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was well versed in the wisdom of the world, he didn't even boast of a house but a whole city called Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar said i build Babylon! Daniel 4:30

So shameful how you people change the narration just to support your devilish doctrine.

Where in that Daniel that Nebuchadnezzar claimed to build Babylon BY HIMSELF AND ALONE?

Or where Nebuchadnezzar was said to have laid just a single BLOCK/BRICK with his OWN HANDS

Or how Nebuchadnezzar was described to have handled any tools during the construction?

Please go and argue with Nebuchadnezzar, he is not just a landlord but an Emperor claiming he built a whole city all by himself, does that mean Nebuchadnezzar never employed Craftsmen?

Rather, go and learn what it means for someone to claim, he did things by HIMSELF and ALONE.

Sorry Emusan i'm done with blind arguments,

Says the deluded JWs who will still come and lie

just know that you're wrong people often claim they built alone simply because they're the brain behind the structure.

But no one will ever says s/he BUILT by HIMSELF and ALONE not to even mention that they did it WITH THEIR OWN HANDS.

Of course they were created in God's image that's why they speak of building alone not because there were no Craftsmen but because they are the brain behind what they are referring to!

See quack reasoning and this is because you still want to keep defending your demonic doctrines.

Why will God lie that He created everything with His OWN HAND, BY HIMSELF AND ALONE when it was another being doing it.

Barristter07:
When something came from and through you, you become the Maker and the agent. So you lied.

You lied! God created everything ALONE and BY HIMSELF.

A Maker did it by HIM/HERSELF

An Agent acts on behalf of another, so who was God act on His behalf during creation?

You have roped yourself into more trouble.

Emphasis on " Alone " , Did Moses (a god ) assisted?

Coming with useless word of "emphasis"

Was the verse talking about DEITY helping the only True God or not? That's the point.

Father and son are the same persons ?

A proverb said " Dog wey go lost, no go hear whistle. "

Where did I say THEY ARE THE SAME PERSONS?

Lying liar JWs!

Barristter07:
Cognitive dissonance yet humans are god's shey ?

You keep displaying your ignorance.

If humans are gods in the sense of being a deity, even the verse you quoted will go against God Himself because that will make God statement false.

The verse is very simple even for a primary pupils to understand except for a brainwashed JWs like.

CEB: "The Lord alone led Israel; no foreign god assisted."

At least, you agreed that Jehovah used a god in creation.

Barristter07:
I didnt lie, unless you mean scripture lied. ( Romans 11:36 )

You lied, Romans 11:36 didn't say God didn't create the universe BY HIMSELF and ALONE.

After saying Moses isn't a god earlier liar

He led them alone, but a god Moses, assisted him, yes ?

This is the verse again to cure your delusion!

CEB: "The Lord alone led Israel; no foreign god assisted."

It does, But all things came through the Father as well, what is that thing that came through the Father but not through the son ?

Nothing came through the Father that wasn't THROUGH THE SON.

You can provide the verse that says otherwise.

The fact that, ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son means the are the same.

That's is the reason your demonic organization has to FRAUDULENTLY INSERTED the word "OTHER" more than 3 times in that Colossians 1:16-17

Barristter07:
He was lying when he said humans are god's ?

Just as you said God was lying when He said He created everything ALONE and by Himself.

Human are gods but NOT a deities in a sense of being worshipped

Na wa, so what came through the Father ?

Cos this are two different persons.

Are you saying ALL THINGS didn't come THROUGH HIM [The Son]?

Barristter07:
Exactly. Rev 4:11 ...

Then case closed.

But he used a god like Moses remember Yet claimed he alone lead isrealites ?

God used a god in creation....waoooooo

Clap for yourself.

MOSES isn't a god!

Barristter07:
Is Moses a god ?

MOSES isn't a god

All things came " through him [the Father ] " agree ?

Yes!
Just as ALL THINGS came through Him [The Son]

Barristter07:
To a deluded mind .

The fact remains all things came from him and THROUGH him.

That's your second name don't forget.

Which means God ALONE and by HIMSELF created everything without the help of any being.

Barristter07:
But other people assisted, yet he said He ALONE ?

You've started with your delusion early this morning...

Why is simple English so hard for you to comprehend

was the verse talking about PEOPLE or dieties?

The verse was simply saying NO OTHER GODS assisted the Only true God to lead ISREAL out.

This is different from where the act of creation where God said He did it by HIMSELF AND ALONE.

Even when the scripture says THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH.

You can just say God is lying by claiming to do this when in reality He used another being.

Barristter07:
Broken record, what does " Through him " tells you ?

God is lying that He created everything ALONE and by HIMSELF....

Barristter07:
@red

In addition to my first point given earlier

At Deuteronomy 32:12 we read " The Lord alone led Israel " CEB .

Can you explain this ? Did he led them by Moses ?

Over to you.

No wonder you couldn't quote the verse in full

CEB: "The Lord alone led Israel; no foreign god assisted."

Barristter07:
" For FROM him [The Father] and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. " Romans 11:36

He has every right to claim he stretched it by Himself because Jesus came through him. Therefore he alone is the source of all things ( 1Cor 8:6 )

@color is enough to see the spirit of your father the Devil in your.

God was lying that He stretched out the heavens ALONE and by HIMSELF...

MaxInDHouse:
I'm the landlord of my duplex so everyone in the estate knew it belongs to me, my name is written in all the documents, yet i employed worker to do the work i only instruct them on how i want my house to be.
So "i built my house all by myself" doesn't mean there was no Craftsman Sir {Proverbs 8:30} it simply means i'm the brain behind it!

I've always told you people to stop using this line of argument, it's pure ignorance and fact lies.


No LANDLORD who is not an Engineer will ever CLAIM "I built MY HOUSE ALL BY MYSELF"

It's a shared ignorance and intellectual dishonesty to see a clear statement like that of "ALONE and ALL BY MYSELF"

NLV: The Lord, Who makes you, bought you and saves you, and the One Who put you together before you were born, says, “I am the Lord, Who made all things. I alone spread out the heavens, and I alone spread out the earth.

If God says "I ALONE...."

And went further to explain what He did by "SPREAD OUT THE HEAVENS"

Even Prov 8 supported this because the speaker clearly stated that it is God who was actually doing the work of creation and not THE SPEAKER.

To claim other being helped God in creation is to give God's glory to a mere creatures.

Rilwayne001:
Christianity is an odious lie.

That Bible is filled with contradictions and illogicals but these lots are too blind to see it. The major reason why there are hundreds of denominations with different levels of delusions.

Smh

This must also applicable to Quran and Islam!

Janosky:
[s]According to Mr LIENUS & Mr Barnes, Jesus is God the Father they pray to.
@ Matthew 6:9, the injunction for praying ;
"Our Father who art in heaven"
No dey Mr LIENUS Bible [/s]

Janosense the royal ranting...

Mr LIENUS & Barnes FALSELY claim @ Acts 7:59 means that @Acts25:11,12,25 ,Paul was praying to Roman emperors.

To call upon is to get the attention of that person. Apostle Paul appeals the Roman Emperors for their attention.

Stephen APPEALED to JESUS Christ to receive his spirit, which is what ONLY GOD can do.

Deluded

Greek 1941 EPIKALEO is the same meaning.
Not prayer to Jesus.

So what was Stephen doing?

Who was your Almighty God Jesus praying to?

The Father!

Mr LIENUS in sifia pains..
The word "God" is NOT in Acts7:59, cry me a river.
Mr Barnes said so.
When Messi play ball go over the bar , make we lie say him score goal?
Mr LIENUS, slave to eye service
..

And the same Barnes said:

They stoned Stephen, invoking, or calling upon, and saying, Lord Jesus," etc. That is, he was engaged "in prayer" to the Lord Jesus. The word is used to express "prayer" in the following, among other places: 2 Corinthians 1:23, "I call God to witness"; 1 Peter 1:17, "And if ye call on the Father," etc.; Acts 2:21, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord," etc.; Acts 9:14; Acts 22:16; Romans 10:12-14. This was, therefore, an act of worship; a solemn invocation of the Lord Jesus, in the most interesting circumstances in which a man can be placed - in his dying moments." ----ALBERT BARNES NOTE

Mr Janosense hasn't proved that the word wasn't used as prayer in 2 Corinthians 1:23, 1 Peter 1:17, Acts 2:21 e.t.c

MaxInDHouse:
ARGUMENTATIVE Maximumu!
Someone directly spoke against God's word openly yet you still don't feel remorseful to ask him to keep shut!

Just as I'm asking you and your lying organization to keep shut because of the same way you openly spoke against God's word.

God's word said Stephen saw Jesus standing at God's right hand {Act 7:56} your friend said God's word is nonsense simply because of the tradition infused in his brain.

God's word said "CEB: The Lord your redeemer who formed you in the womb says: I am the Lord, the maker of all, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by MYSELF" but your deluded brain said God's word is nonsense simply because of the tradition infused in your dull brain.

Now i know you don't really worth a response!

And you still go ahead to respond, that makes you what

MaxInDHouse:
What usually confuse misinformed Churchgoers is their so called Trinity dogma. JWs know that Jesus was the person who created everything {Colossians 1:15-16}

No wonder your organization have to fraudulently inserted the word OTHER in that Colossians 1:15-16.

because Jesus will be the one who created himself.

but he was acting on the instructions from our grand Creator JEHOVAH!

Then Jehohav is lying here "CEB: The Lord your redeemer who formed you in the womb says: I am the Lord, the maker of all, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by MYSELF"

As a master Craftsman beside his God and Father {Proverbs 8:22-31}

Even in the same Proverbs God never says He used anybody to create the universe rather the same proverbs still supports the Isaiah that God created everything ALONE and by HIMSELF.

I was there when THE LORD put the heavens in place and stretched the sky over the surface of the sea. 28 I was with HIM when HE placed the clouds in the sky and created the springs that fill the ocean. 29 I was there when HE set boundaries for the sea to make it obey him, and when HE laid foundations to support the earth.

Jesus was receiving instructions on how to go about the work, we can see this at Genesis 1:1-2,

See delusions, where in that Genesis 1 it was stated that Jesus was receiving instructions to create things

That's just the figment of imagination of your lying mouth organization.

there it was revealed that God's instructions to create the heavens (spirit realm) where his spirit sons (angels) dwells wasn't difficult for Jesus who is also a spirit but when it comes to the creation of physical realms Jesus need to be guided, that's why you'll notice @ Genesis 1:3 that God was given the instructions and after Jesus has done it God still inspects the job! Genesis 1:4,31

This scripture "CEB: The Lord your redeemer who formed you in the womb says: I am the Lord, the maker of all, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by MYSELF" proofs beyond reasonable doubt that, these are just scriptures twisting because God created EVERYTHING ALONE and by HIMSELF.

So we acknowledge the part Jesus (God's only begotten son) played in all God's work but he is not the Almighty God!

To acknowledge this part means you agree that Jesus is Jehovah because JEHOVAH CREATED ALL THINGS ALONE and by HIMSELF.

I know this scriptural truth will be peppering your body now!

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps the hatred you have for the TRUTH will edit all the Bible versions in the world!

Just as your organization lies edited New World Translation.

Janosky:
Albert Barnes 2nd quote is FALSEHOOD.

Greek 1941 in Acts 25:11,12,25 , in Acts7:59, according to Emusan LIENUS & Albert Barnes , Paul is praying to Roman emperors

@color See the hypocrisy I'm talking about, the same Barnes you called his authority for fraudulent insertion is the same you called FALSEHOOD in the same breath.

Well that's a typical deluded brainwashed Janosense for you.

[s]Mr LIENUS, is the first born of every child, still a child?
Jesus the first born of every creature is himself a creature, he came through his Father. Romans 11:35-36 immutable.
Colossians 1:16, JWs are correct joor.


John 20:17, Jesus answered:"I am ascending to my God and your God"
Mathew6:9 "You MUST pray this way:
Our Father who art in heaven"
Mr LIENUS, go figure the meaning of MUST...

Colossians 1:3
"We ALWAYS THANK GOD, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Ephesians 3:14-21,Bros, go and learn to RECEIVE SENSE .

STEPHEN did NOT, was NOT praying to Jesus.
Paul and Jesus confirmed you 3 pagan spirits devotees are LIARS. :[/b]D


[b]Mr LIENUS, Romans 10:13 is quote of Joel 2:32, "anyone who calls on the name of Yahweh", is Jesus his Father Yahweh he prayed to ?


Your Almighty God wey dey obey Command:
"Sit at my right hand "
Bible confirmed your Almighty God get him God and Father in heaven.
Even your Almighty God Jesus confirmed himself get him God in heaven, "my God,my God why have you forsaken us?" [/s]

Mr JaNosense the royal ranting as usual...

Janosky:
The word "God" is DUBIOUS insert into Acts7:59.

E no dey authentic Greek manuscripts.

Why resort to another Fraud to support a man made scam?

See the Hypocrite JaNosense

Imagine, talking about FRAUDULENT INSERTION when your own translation fraudulently inserted the word "OTHER" many times which can't be found in the original Greek or any MSS.

Why didn't you screenshot the FULL part of Barnes Note?

You intentionally removed the part that exposed your organization lies.

Well this is the part your intentionally ommited.

"Calling upon God - The word God is not in the original, and should not have been in the translation. It is in none of the ancient mss. or versions. It should have been rendered, "They stoned Stephen, invoking, or calling upon, and saying, Lord Jesus," etc. That is, he was engaged "in prayer" to the Lord Jesus. The word is used to express "prayer" in the following, among other places: 2 Corinthians 1:23, "I call God to witness"; 1 Peter 1:17, "And if ye call on the Father," etc.; Acts 2:21, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord," etc.; Acts 9:14; Acts 22:16; Romans 10:12-14. This was, therefore, an act of worship; a solemn invocation of the Lord Jesus, in the most interesting circumstances in which a man can be placed - in his dying moments." ----ALBERT BARNES NOTE

Ask4bigneyo:
Its been long o

You started this thread and I was the first to comment

Barristter07:
Emusan In Gbas Gbos

Deluded Barristter07 forming in the mouth.

What carries that Life in human Body ? Gbas gbos

It's blood! Then the point is, Blood don't make us HUMAN but flesh and bones are.

That's why I said earlier that for scientists to solve the issue of ageing, all what they need to do is to resolve the issue of our blood vessel.

So if scientists acheived that, does that means we're not human again

No wonder, you're Oponu!

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him


John 6:46
“No man has seen The Father, except he who is from God; he himself sees The Father.”


All those people you mentioned only saw his representative angels .

Unless you mean Jesus is a Liar ... Your power no reach e don red

Jesus didn't lie neither the writer of Genesis who says MOSES and Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE, the only deluded person here is the one who couldn't understand the speakers intent.

If what MOSES saw was a representative, then what is the essence of God says He can't see His face?

So you don't know what you are quoting, I should be the one to provide the verse yeye dey smell

"They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. " Revelation 22:4,5

No man can see God's Face and LIVE .

They are not humans , but Spirit persons.

1. So there's NIGHT in heaven
2. There is SUN SHINE in heaven
3. So the SPIRIT BEING also use LIGHT OF LAMP to see.

Keep exposing your ignorance up and down.

The man that can't see God's face and live is a frail man not Glorified man, even as man is in his frail state, God still chooses to reveal Himself to whom He wills.

Revelation reveals that the people are with human flesh and bones that's why it says No need of SUN, won't FEEL HUNGRY and FEEL THIRSTY.

We already know that spirit being don't experience something like this before.

Barristter07:
If that body is in existence, it won't be Recreated.

Provide the scripture where it is stated that "new CREATED body"

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

Frustrated man, those are visions. You can as well say Stephen is already a glorified human , so we can know if Glorified humans dey die. You cant lie any longer . Gbas gbos

Learn to use your brain.

Deluded man, so Human can see God in the vision but I thought nobody human can see God in your delusion!

No wonder you couldn't provide the scripture for everyone to see.

Oponu radarada!

Barristter07:
You always reveal it that you don't have sense, U saw " created " , Created itself means Brand NEW . That's the point . The body that comes back from Dust is viewed as Recreation. Not transformation. Killin the idea of Jesus body was transformed, since he and his Apostles had to have same pattern of ressurection. They got a new body, Jesus got one too

Humans can't see God's FaCE and Live , Delusion grandeur Emusan, this points will hunt your Devilish lies on Nairaland.

Provide where it is written from the scripture "new CREATED body"

Now see the useless idiot, talking about RECREATION, can you RECREATE what is NONEXISTENT?

Oponu oshi!

What's different between recreation and TRANSFORMATION

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

Now, it's no more see God but God's face.

Glorified human can see God, that's why people being in spirit saw God sitting on His throne.

When Stephen was being stoned to death, heaven was opened and he saw God, which means God decides to REVEAL HIMSELF to him.

Your lies are being busted left and right


Oponu radarada!

Barristter07:
So where is the Lie ? Unless you mean they don't have breath of Life .

idiot .

Oponu oniro radarada!

Where in that verse it is written that BREATH OF LIFE PUMP BLOOD?

Unless you provide it, then you remain the lying liar like your father the Devil.

No man has seen God at anytime ... Point 1.

Quote the verse complete idiot.

Jacob didnt see God but his representative , an angel . ... Point 2.

So Jacob lied!

They are not humans in heaven, Humans cannot see God's Face and Live . Ezekiel 33:20

Keep dancing around like headless chicken

It's no more, with BLOOD but seeing God's Face.

That's a weak human, even then scripture still recorded people who saw God because God decides to REVEAL HIMSELF to them.

The Revelation mention his Very Face . Striking your human in heaven assertion dead.

Provide the verse...

Resurrected Human are in heaven and your human turned spirit being is nonsensical.

Barristter07:
Jehovah consider the bringing of a body from the dust as Creation, that means brand new, not old body. The bold in your comment very much apply to you.

Oponu radarada Barristter07

What you sowed in resurrection is what it RAISED

You sowed Human flesh, it is raised human flesh.

Does the DUST then NONEXISTENT?

Psalm 104

All creatures look to you
to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them,
they gather it up;
when you open your hand,
they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the ground.

Is it about resurrection or what?

So Ressurected ones got a new Created body, Same as Jesus . Not old one repackaged.

Provide the verse in the scripture where we can find "new CREATED body"

Just see how you keep adding to the scripture attest your own will just to continue propagating your demonic doctrines.

Let this continues to hurt your deluded mind, after resurrection we'll be human without the need of sun, food and water and no human will become a spirit being.

Barristter07:
Flesh without blood is Dead. The presence of breath OF LIFE ( Life is in the blood ) spoken of in Ezekiel signifies the presence of Blood ( life ) .

You no be kindergarten na . For you to claim anyone is a Living human in heaven, they must possess blood. Focus point 1

Focus point 1: You lied that BREATH OF LIFE BUMP blood into flesh in Ezekiel... You can provide the scripture!

Flesh and bones is what makes us human, BLOOD is just the LIFE carrier, the resurrected bodies wont need blood no more, that's why the bodies won't need sun, feel hungry, feel thirsty.

The idiot quickly put " from scripture " . But we know the same scripture said No man has seen God at anytime. Moses didn't See God's face, because it's impossible for an human to see God's Face and LIVE Exodus 33:20

" But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

Whereas in Revelation , the persons spoken of as needing no sun , were seeing God's Face as well.

Always quote scripture in complete Oponu oniro!

But MOSES saw God and Jacob, now you're changing it to FACE, even when Jacob said I've seen God FACE TO FACE and I'm alive.

In fact, Jesus said, He will REVEAL the Father to those whom He chooses. So which means as human, we can't just see God the way we want unless He decides to do so.

Clearly they are NOT HUMANS. But Spirit persons... Focus point 2

They are human in heaven, Just as Christ is human in heaven now.