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Barristter07:
1Timothy 2:5,6
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

In heaven or on Earth, when did Jesus gave himself as a ransom?

And Yes the Greek word refer to Men with flesh and blood. It's this blood that enable Jesus as a man pay the ransom.

OLODO forgetting that what Jesus did was a shadow of heavenly things as revealed to Moses.

No wonder you can't answer my question, is Jesus still A MEDIATOR in heaven NOW?

Thankfully they were never called humans.

You See the hypocrite!

But the word USED FOR HUMAN WITH FLESH AND BLOOD was USED for THEN.

Barristter07:
The word " promise " is clear enough.

WHAT IS BORN OF SPIRIT is spirit.

Immediately you BORN OF SOMETHING you took the nature of that think.

so your lies of PROMISE doesn't hold here, which means you wrongly interpreted that John 3:6.

Then it's by a mans will, you know what to do. Do it . U are a joker

Do you believe in Jesus Christ and EVEN in His name?

John 1:12-13 says "AS MANY that believe on Him even believe in His name, He gave them power to become sons of God, not BORN of the will of FLESH or MAN but of GOD HIMSELF"

The men in capital letters are flesh and blood too.
Can we then agree Jesus have Flesh and blood in heaven ? Point one.

That shows the HUMAN mentioned in Revelation 21:3 are not flesh and blood. Do you agree?

In English man could refer to Male and Female.

Here is what Genesis says

" Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. " Genesis 5:2

It doesn't change the question: Does that mean you agree there will be Genders in heaven?

And who told you there's was no gender in heaven?

According to Jesus those counted worth of that ressurection will be like Angels, Do angels have genders?

because THEY DON'T MARRY.

Provide the scripture that says Angels don't have gender?

The so called Glorified Body of Jesus have Wounds and Scars , he appeared to the disciples with it.

Hence the question: Since their Ressurection all be patterned after that of Christ Glorified body, Do you then admit that people will retain their Accident scars, surgery scars, Fire burns, Marks, , hunchbacks etc ?

Read 1 Corinthian 15:38 again.
It will cure your delusion.

Barristter07:
[s][i]We have gotten to a point tht what remains is pure comedy on your silly utterances. DappaD is a really nice Guy for taking the time to explain that at the point that Jesus became a Mediator , he was an Human. But your silly disposition and opposition to the truth Keep you dragging the Fine point he shared.[/s]

When you have something meaningful to say, you will address my point one after the other.

Since the word " man " appear twice at 1Tim 2:5 , Do you admit both cases are people with Flesh and blood ?

There is one God and Mediator between God and humans ( flesh and blood people ) , an human ( Flesh and blood ) Jesus .

The point here is, if you're using Revelation 21:3 to mean people referring to are human with flesh and blood. Then you should take that as Jesus as mediator is also flesh and blood in heaven now since the same Greek word was used for Him.

That isn't the end, the 24 Elders who are in heaven mentioned in Revelation more than 5 times are also FLESH AND BLOOD since the Greek word presbýteros used for Elders was only used for HUMAN and not spirit

4245 presbýteros – properly, a mature MAN having seasoned judgment (experience); an elder.

Just like I said, so much more for human turned spirit being believers.

Barristter07:
. Spiritual body is an human body ? I said it. Your case is critical, if Spiritual body is human body, Natural body that was buried isn't Human body ?. So there was no change , it's just a change of name

One thing you can dispute here is that it is SOWED IN NATURAL BODIES and it will be raised after its KIND.

You problem is still thinking that spiritual isn't physical. like I said, @living4christ has done enough justice to that earlier, educate yourself on that.

Humans are Male and Female like I reiterated earlier, Genders in heaven ?

Just watch how the pervert wants to say there will be sex in heaven.

Brain is far far from you, So which Spirit give Life to the mortal bodies of Sinners in ressurection?

Termites have even finished your brain.

Does THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIVE IN SINNERS?

That's the question! Ode....

Barristter07:
Seriously , The comedy that made you ran away earlier will resurface.

Stop this childish nonsense!

Didn't you decided not to reply (run away from my) post also at beginning

Ode...this emotion blackmail won't work here.

No objection. It's a promise , undisputed.

Oponu...
So BORN OF SPIRIT isn't immediately becoming SPIRIT BEING but have you seen ANYTHING GIVING BIRTH TO THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE NATURE OF WHAT GAVE BIRTH TO IT IMMEDIATELY?

Lemme show you how stupid your logic sounds,

We are BORN OF FLESH but we are not HUMAN IMMEDIATELY until LATER TIME.

Which means you deluded people just fussed BORN OF SPIRIT INTO RESURRECTION.

And What is Spiritual is the opposite of Natural/physical . I think we are clear. I already quoted some of your deluded posts on this point in the past, u can check for Reference and see how silly u sound.

Go back to the same lecture giving to you people by @living4christ on this.

That means it's from Man's will, a person can decide to be born again, but that John said not from Man's will

John 3:8 u can control the wind ?

Of course being BORN AGAIN isn't a man's will John 1:13 says that clearly because no human can do that on His/her own but the point when you confess Christ as your Lord and Savior which means YOU HAVE TOTALLY BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS NAME The REBIRTH IS AUTOMATICALLY DONE BY GOD.

That's why ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN.

The same Greek that made you ran away earlier . Can you recall ? Don't worry the scenes will replay itself.

Just as you ran away earlier too.

Can you recall

The earth he has given to the sons of men

Before the fall

According to Genesis 5:2 the name humans was given to people with Flesh and blood. So Christ is still Flesh and blood in heaven ? Focus point 1

The MAN Jesus is the only mediator between God and MEN...focus point 1

I said you running to Greek won't save you.

Humans are categorized into Male and Female , Does that mean there will be Genders in heaven ? Focus point 2

He called the MAN at the beginning, does that mean Eve is a Male? Ifocus point 2

Some will be raised as Males and others as Females into heaven, how are they going to be like angels , who are Sexless ?? Focus point 3

And where did you read that from?

Just watch, the pervert wants to talk about sex in heaven. focus point 3

Jesus retain mark and wounds in your deluded glorified body, since believers body will be patterned after that of Jesus , do you Emusan then admit that people will retain Accident scars, burns , Surgery scars, Tatoos , hunchback and other vices in their glorified body ? focus point 3

Olodo...it should be focus point 4....

Ode...believers bodies will be PATTERN AFTER THAT OF CHRIST in GLORIFIED ONE...not the delusion you're living with.

1 Corinthians 15:38 will cure this your delusion.

38 Then God gives it the new body he wants it to have. A different plant grows from each KIND OF SEED. NIV

The bodies is now a NEW BODIES but it's still what it sowed which is FLESH after its KIND. focus point 4

Barristter07:
Emusan Ran away on this thread earlier only to resurface to continue his Gibberish.

Firstly, I've warned you before that you people should stop spamming my mention. are you people cursed?

What is so difficult for you to construct a sentence without inserting my moniker?

I ran away but I'm still on the same thread, does that make sense

There was a time you didn't reply my post on this same thread, should that be count as running away?

Olodo somebody just crying for emotional sake.

If you recall, Emusan said All both Sinners and unbelievers will be Raised as Human beings.

Any it shocking that the same Emusan is fighting those that said Many will ressurect as humans?

I'll keep saying this until you people will get sense.

You people lack simple comprehension.

Both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected as HUMAN that's what resurrection is all about as "SOWED IN NATURAL BODIES and RAISED IN SPIRITUAL BODIES"

Concerning the definition of the spiritual bodies, Emusan quoted Romans 8:11 saying that of unbelievers is not quickened while a Spiritual body is Quickened, a quick check of the word Quickened reveal that it simply means To bring to life. Please how can someone said the bodies of sinners are not quickened, when it come to life?

If your brain is working well you will see how your double standard is playing on you.

The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. NIV

This is the same Romans 8:11 and I could remember that I asked you that time that, DOES THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIVE IN THE UNBELIEVER?

Which you couldn't answer.

[s]In short , Emusan keep repeating the garbage that He was applying Spiritual bodies to believers, But the evidence against him says This apply to everyone ressurected.


Is Emusan Deluded ? Yes. He lacks what it takes to handle this topic.


I will keep opening his yansh from previous threads.[/s]

When you have something meaningful to say, let me know!

DappaD:
According to the Bible that Emusan wrote abi?
That means Jesus didn't inherit God's Kingdom? Thereby cancelling John 3:3-6 and 1Corinthians 15:50?
See 1Corinthians 15:42-44, 2Corinthians 5:16, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18 staring at you right in the face.

See the deluded being changing mouth now after his lies of Greek has been exposed.

See wahala
Was I the one who inserted ἀνθρώπων into Revelation 21:3?
It is the original Greek text that will expose all your mischievous lies—either you deal with it or continue throwing your usual tantrums

Was I the one who inserted ἀνθρώπων into 1 Tim 5

As the same original Greek text is exposing your lies and delusion.

So in what form was Jesus when he established the new covenant in Luke 22:28-30? Was he a spirit or human?
After his resurrection to heaven, did he appear before God as a spirit or a human? (Hebrews 9:24, 1Peter 3:18)

Is Jesus still the mediator now or not? Liar....

Jesus is in heaven as HUMAN, how many times will I knocked that into your empty skull?

According to only Emusan
Since the Bible disagrees with your POV, locate the nearest transformer and do the needful.

See frustration, you haven't seen anything. The same transformer will locate you soon.

Your lies have caught up with you finally. Provide evidence that God literally came down in the days of ancient Israel to dwell with them na

Rev 21:3 God's HOME/RESIDENT is NOW WITH THE PEOPLE.

Definitely, God won't reside with your spirit being people as they will be in hell.

That's why 2Corinthians 5:5 and 2Peter 1:4 are there in your Bible for you. They(born again Christians) have received a token i.e. a mark that sets them apart for heavenly life and it is a promise held out to them that if they remain faithful, they'd receive the prize of immortal life.(Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:10, Revelation 2:10)

And ALL BELIEVERS are born again, ALL BELIEVERS will receive the prize of immortal life.

These are things you can't know unless someone teaches you. Be humble, Emusan.

Just as you don't know that BELIEVING IN CHRIST AND EVEN IN HIS NAME makes you a BORN AGAIN, as I'm teaching you now.

Couldn't sift through the garbage, sorry.

Or your empty skull couldn't process those points.

I feel your pain.

Unfortunately, livingchrist is not in anyway different from you. You're both emptyheaded–it's not like I'm surprised though.

Don't be ashame to learn, go back to that post and learn something at least it's not from apostate just learn something for once it'll do your brain good.

Why are you dodging the remaining part of the John 3:6?
What will those born of spirit eventually become?
Emusan has agreed that Jesus didn't resurrect to become a spirit creature and that he didn't inherit God's Kingdom! Wow! 1Corinthians 15:50

What BORN OF SPIRIT IS SPIRIT

ALL BELIEVERS are born of spirit.

Says the deluded JWs.

Locate the scripture in your Bible and read it. I won't spoonfeed you.

A baby like you needs to be spoonfeed that's what we're doing here, so provide the text from that verse that says Jesus rose as a spirit.

Ehnnn nah! That's the only thing churchgoers know! Apart from the rubbish typed above, what else can you share with your neighbour who's seeking Biblical knowledge? Absolutely NOTHING!

We don't have anything to share with our neighbors yet we have more members more than you who have something to share.

Then whatever you're sharing must be really insignificant and have no value to your neighbors.

Just like I said, since you believe many resurrection will take place then definitely we the churchgoers will be part of one but for you your abode is the everlasting fire since you DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST EVEN IN HIS NAME.

Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to lecture you and you'll continue feeling ashamed where ever you encounter us in this world. I can assure you of that.

Says the ignorant that what is sharing profiteth nothing to his neighbor. You can start lecturing your GB first maybe their delusions can be cured.

DappaD:
Was I the one who inserted MANKIND into Revelation 21:3? So the ‘mankind’ there is different from the one in Genesis 5:2? i.e. the makeup of this ‘mankind’ is no longer flesh and blood?

Jesus is a MAN in heaven according to the scripture, do you agree as a man, He is flesh and blood?

Just like I said, you inserted that, not in the scripture.

But the Greek word found in Revelation 21:3 is ἀνθρώπων(anthropos) which translates to mankind with flesh and blood.

Funny how you put rush to Greek when your lies are being exposed.

The same word ἀνθρώπων(anthropos) was used by Apostle Paul in 1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one mediator between God and men(ἀνθρώπων(anthropos)), THE MAN(ἀνθρώπων(anthropos)) JESUS..."

Jesus must be flesh and blood in heaven then.

Much trouble for the spirit being believers.

Your lies have caught up with you this time LOL! So the “I will reside among them” in Exodus 25:8 is different from the one in Revelation 21:3? Please don't make me laugh.

Did God say a sanctuary should be built before residing with them?

But IN Revelation THE WHOLE HOME OF GOD was with the people.

Your ignorance is catching up with you faster than speed of light.

There's a LOT—as in a LOT you need to know!
Paul, Peter, John in their letters were addressing ONLY those whom Jehovah's holy spirit has sealed/anointed to be given a new birth as immortal spirit creatures!—2Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13, 1Peter 1:23, 2Peter 1:4,10, 1John 2:2 and compare with Revelation 7:3

If they have already SEAL, why must still be proofing FAITHFUL before the gain the heavenly life again Confused JWs

Just like I asked your other brothers

Do you believe in Jesus Christ even in His name?

If your answer is Yes! Then You're BORN(REBRITH) AGAIN because the scripture says; "AS MANY that believe on Him even in His name, he gave right to become sons of God, not BORN by the will of flesh or man by BORN(rebirth) by God Himself"

Revelation 20:5 says the resurrection of those born again/anointed Christians whom are part of the 144,000 and have died is the FIRST resurrection. Compare with 1Thess 4:16-17 and 1Corinthians 15:23,51-53

All believers who died in Christ will experience first resurrection at His second coming.

Acts 24:15 mentions the resurrection of just/righteous and unjust/unrighteous ones on earth and that implies that there will be a second, third and so forth.

Really....so resurrection in JWs even more than two times, that sounds strange.

Unless you're saying unrighteous ones partake in the first resurrection to have immortal spirit bodies too? Smh.

Your head will just fall off.

Unrighteous one won't be resurrected at the second coming of Christ, the second coming of Christ is for His saints where they'll sit with father Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Kingdom of heaven.

You go just dey dribble yourself everytime
So in your dictionary,
SPIRITUAL BODY ≠ SPIRIT BODY abi? If it's not the same why have you and your partners making noise about John 3:6?

@living4christ has already tutored you people on what is spiritual soon this same thread, so do yourself a favor by revisiting his wonderful work and stop being stupid here.

John 3:6 point is that ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF SPIRIT, without being born of spirit, Born of God or Born Again your abode is everlasting fire.

Grab that into your empty skull.

Till now none of you have been able to debunk 1Peter 3:18 that says Jesus rose as a spirit body.

Can you show us from 1peter 3:18 where the word JESUS ROSE AS A SPIRIT BODY appeared or you remain silent forever?

Emusan embrace truth for once you won't die! Tufia!

I don't need to embrace it since resurrection of Jesus can be more than three times, we who don't embrace truth will have our resurrection at the fifth time.

But my own to you is, BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND EVEN IN HIS NAME so that God Himself can rebirth you because failure to BELIEVE IN CHRIST MEANS YOU'RE COMDEMNED AND PERISH. John 3:16-16

Barristter07:
Like i said, I love your anger . Its very much needed, the more the fish struggle with the hook, the deeper it Pierce's . Keep it up .

Anger! You must be describing your hopeless situation.

If it was immediately, Peter won't have said a New Birth into a living hope , Hope is the key word.


" by which he has granted to us his precious and very great PROMISES, so that through them [the promise] you may become partakers of the divine nature, " 2Pet 1:4

The sharing of God's nature is a " Promise ". So that Spirit form comes later .

You can rest now. Let's proceed .

So when they were BORN OF SPIRIT they still remain as HUMAN until they received the promise of becoming spirit being at Resurrection.....

Your brain is actually paining you.

1 This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you WHO SHARE THE SAME PRECIOUS FAITH WE HAVE. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior. 2Pet 1:1 NIV

Do you SHARE the same precious FAITH with the apostles or not?

Once again 4 verse is for ALL THOSE WHO SHARES TJE PRECIOUS FAITH with them and if you don't everlasting fire is your abode.

Pastor Emusan of Lying Chapel ministries

Apostle Barristter07 the lying liar like his darling Daddy the devil.

This means Second ressurection is only for sinners , very very wrong idea.


"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. " John 5:28:29

This dead one RISE at the same hour , , alot of good people are among them . Does this sound like first ressurection to your dull head?

You need your head examined!

Again, there is ONLY ONE TYPE of resurrection which is "SOWED IN HUMAN BODIES but RAISED in spiritual body"

What you sowed at Resurrection is what you raised, you can't sowed HUMAN BODY and raised SPIRIT BEINGS.

Get that into your empty skull.

Meditate on that John 3:8 you can't tell or in other words, an individual don't have a say where the wind goes. So it is with everyone born of spirit. Once again you FAIL .

Mediate on that John 1:12-13 you can tell that IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE in Jesus Christ everlasting fire is your abode and once you BELIEVE IN CHRIST EVEN IN HIS NAME you're BORN(REBIRTH) AGAIN OR by God Himself.

Thankfully the text didn't say " Human Spiritual body "

It says Spiritual body . Just spiritual .

Yes spiritual body and that's the ONLY TYPE OF RESURRECTION, NATURAL TO SPIRITUAL.

So if you think the spiritual is what Jesus have definitely ALL BELIEVERS will have SPIRITUAL.

That's why I'm still demanding for the verse where it is stated that "SOWED IN NATURAL AND RAISED AS NATURAL"

Spiritual is the opposite of physical . The body is not material or visible

Spiritual
" of, relating to, or consisting of spirit : not bodily or material " - Mariam Webster

Just like I said earlier, @living4christ has tutored you people on spiritual stuff, no time to waste time here.

You can refresh your empty skull on that.

Revelation 21:3,4 " And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: "Look! The residence of God is among human beings. He will live among them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them. " NET

That Greek word was used extensively for human beings with flesh and blood in Bible. Emusan of Lying ministries, you have alot to learn

Genesis 5:2 said God gave the name humans to Adam and Eve , are they flesh and blood ?

Improve your thinking ability

Olodo oshi...

Now he has jump to Greek but if we start dragging him with Greek, you'll see him chicken out like his fake GB who translated NWT with absolute Zero of Greek understanding.

Of course after resurrection we're still HUMAN just as Christ is still HUMAN in heaven now.

But the point here is that God will reside with His people and leave your spirit beings people in everlasting fire because the verse says "Look! The residence of God is among human beings."

MaxInDHouse:
[b]Those who are flesh like Adam don't need any rebirth,

And the people who become SPIRIT BEINGS aren't FLESH before bah

Nonsense and ingredient.

all they need is salvation after forgiveness,

And the same people who will become spirit beings don't need salvation after forgiveness...

Nonsense and ingredient again...

it's those who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven that need a spiritual rebirth.

because watchtower says so but the question ONLY you can answer within your consciousness is.

Am I believe in Jesus Christ even on His name?

If your answer is Yes! Then you're BORN AGAIN because the scripture says "AS MANY that believe on him even in His name He gave power to be the sons of God, not BORN by the will of flesh or man but BY GOD HIMSELF" The new birth if what ALL BELIEVERS in Christ must have before reigning with Him.

The scriptures never said those who aren't born again will be destroyed!

But the scripture says if you don't BELIEVE in the one the Father sent you're already condemned and PERISH.


"For God so love the world that He gave His one and Only unique Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVE in him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Anyone who doesn't BELIEVE IN HIM is a ginger.

And John 1:12-13 says, AS MANY THAT BELIEVE IN CHRIST EVEN IN HIS NAME are BORN (REBIRTH) by God.

Jesus made it clear that his own work is to gather only the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6, 15:24} so most of his words were directed to this little flock {Luke 12:32} their earthly subjects are the other sheep this unlimited number aren't of the fold Jesus primarily came to gather![/b] John 10:16

And John 1:12-13, John 3:16 are directed to the little flocks ko?

So when talking about those born of spirit we know this ones need such rebirth to be able to go and reside in heaven, but our own promise from God remains everlasting life on earth in the flesh just as God had in mind for Adam and all his descendants from the beginning Psalms 37:29, 115:16; Matthew 5:5

Thanks Sir!

Just like I said, if you can answer the question.

Do I really BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST even on His name? And your answer is Yes! Then you get this New Rebirth...

Unless if you tell us that John 1:12-13 is for the little flocks then we can agree that John 3:16 is also for the little flocks.

You're welcome!

DappaD:
Okay. Verse 3 said MANKIND, fleshly humans(Genesis 5:2) and not spirits.
So at Exodus 25:8, where was God when he said
“I will reside among them” ?
Heaven or earth?

FLESHLY HUMANS is your insertion not from that verse... liar!

Many translations used PEOPLE

No wonder I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

What was God's demanded from them?

He said they should BUILD HIM A HOLY SANCTUARY before He(God) can live with them.

But in Revelation God's HOME that is His abode is with PEOPLE.

So where in Revelation 7:9-17, did the Bible say the great multitude have the seal of God?

And the seal of God that makes them become a spirit being bah

A big lol I swear! I thought it's you people that claimed Jesus rose with a fleshly body ?
Why the sudden change of heart?
After all that's the topic of this thread. When JWs were quoting 1Corinthians 15:42-44, your brain go vacation shey?

Your brain is actually on sleeping mode.

In resurrection there is only one thing that happened "sowed in NATURAL BODY and RAISES A SPIRITUAL BODY"

Jesus rose with a GLORIFIED BODY which is SPIRITUAL.

Thank God you've finally agreed that Jesus rose with a spirit body and that's how far we'll go

Where did I agree or say Jesus rose with a SPIRIT BODY?

MaxInDHouse:
God's word called Adam "the son of God" {Luke 3:38} of course Adam was flesh.
So God had spirit sons a well as flesh sons.

But Adam was not BORN OF GOD.

For existing human being to be BORN OF GOD OR SPIRIT is called BORN AGAIN which is not by going into woman's womb but REBIRTH by God.

This point solidly reiterated in John 1:12-13

12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLV

In fact these two verses are enough to show any open-minded person to see the fraud that NOT ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN.

If people BORN OF SPIRIT are GIVING NEW BIRTH by the Spirit.

The point is who is THE FLESH that is giving NEW BIRTH OF FLESH to the people who will live forever on earth?

It's the born again that Jesus is talking about here, they have lived all their lives in the flesh but now what will happen to them after resurrection?
Their unnatural spiritual birth will take effect and they will be transformed into spirits! 2Corinthians 3:18

And ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN...

If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God your abode is lake of fire.

God bless you!

God bless you too

DappaD:
@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)

Funny how you people cherry pick any word from the scripture.

This is Rev21:3 "God’s home is now with his people. He will live with them, and they will be his own. Yes, God will make his home among his people."

That verse says God's HOME is with HIS PEOPLE

The same verse goes further to say "GOD will make HIS HOME among His people"

This shows that this verse is talking about THE ABODE OF GOD.

Or let just say, God will kukuma leave ALL THE SPIRIT BEINGS in heaven and be living with HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

Do you compare the context of the verse yourself before telling someone to do so

It's clear from that verse that the HOME (ABODE) of God will be where those people will be.

I bet you never reason that from that verse.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Everyone owns their salvation to God and the Lamb.

For as MANY that believe on Him EVEN THOSE who believe in His name, He(Jesus) gave power to become God's son. these sons are not BORN of the will of flesh or man but of God.

This is BORN AGAIN

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faithful in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God you have no part with Him and your abode is the everlasting fire.

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to only those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that are to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirit beings! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, 20:35-36, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

Read the writings of Apostle Paul very well you'll see, it's totally negate your doctrines.

First, there is ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION "sowed in natural body and RAISED in spiritual body"

You can provide us the verse where it says "sowed in natural body and RAISED a natural body"

Second, to apostle Paul ALL BELIEVERS have one hope of being with Christ.

Third, to apostle Paul, There's only two covenants Haggai (which represents unbelievers and her children are all born after FLESH and remained SLAVE) and Sarah (which represents BELIEVER and her children are all promise from above and BORN after spirit)

Last, apostle Paul always contrasts flesh and spirit which he admonished ALL BELIEVERS to be AFTER THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.

So your doctrine of FLESH has no place in God's word.

You can only find that in the book of your father the Devil.

livingchrist:
How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh, whereas they are busy shouting that he that is born of Spirit is Spirit, following that same line anyone born of God who is a Spirit should also be spirit.

They are just clowns! Dont take them serious
The bible say anyone who believes on Jesus is born of God.
Since God is a Spirit also all Christians are born of the spirit,


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

The @bold is really laughable, no wonder they can't tell us THE FLESH who produces the people who will live forever on earth.

This is how you'll know that, they fully understand and know that RESURRECTION is in GLORIFIED HUMAN BODY but since the doctrine of Jesus didn't take His body back mist be uphold, then the confusion started.

@underlined is what they can't disprove from the scripture.

Once you're not BORN AGAIN OR BORN OF SPIRIT, you don't belong to Jesus and His Father.

Apostle Paul in fact made it clear in Gal 4 when he compared ALL BELIEVERS as born of spirit (from Sarah) to unbelievers who are born of FLESH (from Haggai).

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise. 24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written: “Be glad, barren woman, you who never bore a child; shout for joy and cry aloud, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” 28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Gal 4 21-31 CEV

Vs 31 explicitly stated that we're not CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN BUT OF THE FREE WOMAN because the children of the BONDWOMAN are born after FLESH, have no inheritance and remained SLAVE

No doubt that everyone knows Haggai here represents the unbelievers.

Now, notice what verse 24 says "These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.

So with God there's ONLY TWO COVENANTS either you belong to Flesh and remained slave or to the Spirit and be free.

That's why they're many contrasts between FLESH (referring to our sinful nature) and SPIRIT (a regenerated of our sinful nature) in the scripture which John 3:6 was part of.

Barristter07:
I will merge some of your comments .

So what's my concern about that?

If Jesus human birth is the meaning of born of spirit, Why then aren't those born of spirit turning to babies ? You well at all ?

I THINK THE POINT IS CLEAR. JESUS HUMAN BIRTH as a baby HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW BIRTH.

But the human birth was as a RESULT OF SPIRIT, isn't it?

Isn't the same spirit that some people are BORN OF?

Don't act silly

You ARE silly

New birth in which form ? Human or spirit.

Then explain the expression " Is spirit " ?

One two . I expect an answer . Sweeping away the refugee of lies. Question tagged P1

I need an answer to P1.

The Holy Spirit gives ALL BELIEVERS the NEW BIRTH

See the idiot, so if what is born of spirit is spirit, then those people should have immediately become A SPIRIT BEINGS on earth since you agreed that their BORN OF SPIRIT happened before they died.

There are two ressurection. First ressurection as a Spirit person (strictly Those born of spirit among believers ) , second ressurection as humans ( Believers and unbelievers )

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for ALL BELIEVERS...oponu

Nobody talks about two DIFFERENT resurrection.

Think about the highlighted, you don't choose to be a born again, God does . And even the person can't tell how it happens.

Firstly, evidentlce from the scripture is that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN

Secondly, scripture affirms that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD.

Thirdly, "As many that believe Jesus EVEN THOSE BELIEVING ON HIS NAME, he gave power to become God's son not BORN of the will of flesh or man but OF GOD" This proves that ALL BELIEVERS are God's SON and BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit.

So going by your lying interpretation of John 3:6 Born of Spirit is Spirit means ALL BELIEVERS will become A SPIRIT BEINGS since they were are born of God.

Despite this red, your likes still try to say Jesus was buried natural human and raised with the same human body of kidneys and intestines.

Yes He was raised with human body but the glorified one which is spiritual.

A spiritual body is the opposite of a Natural human body , not physical . Proving the point that those born of Spirit and Jesus are all going to be Spirit persons.

Spiritual is defined as that which opposed to physical

@living4christ has schooled you people on this before so I don't need wasting my time.

That something is spiritual doesn't mean it's not PHYSICAL. You can refresh your dull brain on that.

And for the records millions will ressurect will their Human Bodies and live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 , it says Humans , creatures of flesh and blood.

Provide us with the translations of Rev 21:3-4 where HUMANS, CREATURES OF FLESH AND BLOOD appear. Liars like your father the devil.

The challenge for you is to show us from the scripture where it is written that "buried in natural human bodies and RAISED IN NATURAL HUMAN BODIES"

You couldn't see it in your demonic translation

Chosen to be born of spirit is not a decision an individual made as have shown you previously, the point is they have that hope of ressurection as Spirit. This is why it says what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT.

God is not a partial God.

If ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD
if ALL BELIEVERS ARE GOD'S SON
if ALL BELIEVERS are given power to become children of God.

On what ground will God select some people and rejected other?

So it's not a decision yet the said individuals MUST STILL PROOF FAITHFUL to God

What is born of spirit is spirit, which means immediately they were born of spirit they will become a spirit being yet your so called partiality selection are born of spirit while on earth BUT ONLY TO BECOME SPIRIT BEINGS AT RESURRECTION.

Your brain needs service, branch any mechanic workshop for that.

Jozzy4:
The Bible said what is born of spirit , is spirit . You said it's wrong because your small brain think Jesus birth as a little child was the new birth. That's strictly your problem.

So is Jesus not born of spirit?

Does that make Him a spirit being on earth?

Jozzy4:
One hope , the hope of everlasting life . But two ressurection . Open your senses

Some enjoy this hope as spirit sons (John 3:6, 1Pet 1:4) , others as human sons (Revelation 21:3,4)

Meanwhile the focus of this thread is on the spirit sons, as their nature tells us what body Jesus have after ressurection.

There's ONLY ONE HOPE OF RESURRECTION which is sow in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES and raised in SPIRITUAL BODIES.

You can show us where it is said, raised in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES.

Nothing like spirit sons, ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD and Born again. If you're not then your home is everlasting fire.

3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Rev 21:3-4

I didn't see where HUMAN SONS are mentioned here, can you show us?

Barristter07:
Oh Jesus at birth is no longer born of spirit ?

Oponu....i was just using that to reiterate your lying doctrine.

Jesus was born of spirit as human which then means Jesus must be A Spirit being on earth.

The product is a Spirit person , but it's an hope at their Ressurection.

What is born of spirit is Spirit. not man

Liar, the product is A NEW BIRTH, not becoming a spirit person

All believers have ONE HOPE OF RESURRECTION.

Also, Jesus was BORN OF SPIRIT at Resurrection, right

As for the criteria , Read John 3:8

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

I didn't see any criteria here, can you point it out?

The truth from the scripture is that ALL BELIEVERS ARE ADOPTED SONS OF GOD AND BORN OF GOD.

But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. John 1:12-13

Unless you can proof to us that this scripture is selective in nature.

Not having God's new rebirth means you're doomed forever and your abode is everlasting fire, lack RUSSELL.

This is why I keep mentioning ressurection,

But at Resurrection we will have the pattern of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

My challenge to you is @color, Kindly provide us from the scripture where it stated that OUR NATURAL BODIES will be buried and raised as NATURAL HUMAN BODIES.

It's evident that ALL RESURRECTED BODIES will be buried in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES and RAISED in SPIRITUAL BODIES.

everyone adopted through the new birth has a HOPE

Yes, as all believers are adopted by the new birth not some selective people once you're not adopted son of God, you can't be in His kingdom and your abode is everlasting fire.

Ressurection as a Spirit person like Jesus.

Jesus Christ resurrected as flesh and bone which is the antitypes of resurrection every believers will have.

Nobody will be resurrected as a spirit being.

Everlasting life in heaven , this is why Peter said " reserved in the heaven for you ".

So what of when Jesus said we should store our treasures in heaven? Isn't that means we're all going to heaven where our treasures are?

Besides, I went on to quote the remaining portion of that verse which shows that the promise is for ALL BELIEVERS.

What is born of spirit , IS ? SPIRIT . Heaven is the abode of Spirit persons . The earth is for sons of men

And ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF SPIRIT...so heaven is abode for all believers.

Jozzy4:
Mumu Emusan don cast, shebi Jesus through Mary is born of spirit , it mean anyone born of spirit turn to a baby .

No wonder I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

Born of Spirit must mean A SPIRIT BEING according to your lying doctrine.

So if Jesus was born of spirit as human then it means Jesus should be A SPIRIT BEING while on earth.

But you won't agree that Jesus is a spirit being on earth, which then means BORN OF SPIRIT doesn't mean BEING A SPIRIT BEING.

Ode...

Jozzy4:
You rant too much, the bold is what I need. Likewise Those born of spirit have the hope of existing in that same nature.

After you've been schooled...olodo!

But there is only ONE HOPE for every believers.

Barristter07:
Without a Physical woman.

In your deluded mind, when a person is Born of Spirit, they become an human Baby?

who said so?

Born of Spirit means "adoption as God's SPIRIT SON" as you said below which means they're still A PRODUCT of Holy Spirit.

It means adoption as God's Spirit son.

On what ground were they ADOPTED by the Holy Spirit?

New birth as brand new baby ? Idiot

Oponu...

Born of Spirit means we're a product of spirit at the New Birth.

1Pet 1:3,4 " new birth into a living HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, "

A person knows they have been adopted as A Spirit son while they are on Earth just as Peter knows, But the product as a Spirit person is an HOPE. One that happen at their ressurection.

Firstly, see the oponu who keeps falling back to my initial point...so you agree again that "it's a PRODUCT" which is not being a baby ode...

Also, on what ground were they ADOPTED as a SPIRIT SON?

Lastly, the verse is talking about Christ resurrection which all believers will experience.

1 Peter 1:8-9 "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls."

Understand the meaning of hope and your ignorance will be cured.

There's one HOPE for all believers.

Oponu ode!

Jozzy4:
You are very dull sha, ever since you re asked the form of angels and you replied God Almighty , am not shocked anymore.

Are you saying everything he mentioned there are false?

No wonder, you couldn't counter them.

If not because you're so dull and forgetful, I remembered @Blabbermouth already thrashed that earlier when he used Animals and human form example.

Both human and animals are called NATURAL BEING but does that make animals and human to have the same NATURE?

Of course the nature of animals and human is considered to be PHYSICAL OR FLESH because it can be touched and seen.

Likewise, the nature of God and Angels is considered to be SPIRIT because it can't be touch and seen.

But God and Angels being considered to be SPIRIT BEINGS doesn't means they both have THE SAME NATURE as human and Animals can be said to exist in the same nature.

The nature of Yahweh makes Him, self-existence, eternal (indestructible), and uncreated.

In simple term, nature is what distinguished one being from another, no wonder @Blabbermouth could say you people logic will mean Angels are God too since to think God and Angels have the same nature means they BOTH CO EXIST in the same way.

Even within the animals, they're nature can be said to be the same.

The nature of fish makes it live inside water while some can both live in water and land. These are not authority but what was found WITHIN THE BEING of such entity.

Authority on the other hand means being in the same nature yet have power to enact some decisions.

For example, Jesus said, "this is why you will know that THE SON OF MAN has authority to forgive sin"

Notice how Jesus classified Himself as being of the same nature with human as "SON OF MAN" yet the authority to forgive sin was in place which is what only God could do.

We'll keep educating you people!

Barristter07:
Jesus birth through Mary didn't make him born of spirit. He was just born BY spirit.

Another one

Jesus was just BORN BY SPIRIT....Barristter07 2020

What then is to be BORN OF SPIRIT?

If born of spirit is birth through a Woman without intercourse, Nicodemus would have been right when he said entering a woman's womb.

Olodo....of the century!

Jesus statement to Nicodemus was you must be BORN AGAIN which Nicodemus presume to be ENTERING WOMB the second time which Jesus then clarified that, No! You must be born of spirit and water.

So being born of spirit means the Birth is through the Agent of the Holy Spirit.

Now, you agreed Jesus was BORN BY SPIRIT....

So what does it mean to be BORN OF SPIRT?

But you should know better , so much for a poor student of the Bible.

So you agree I'm a student of the Bible.

If only you had payed attention , What is born of flesh is flesh, does that mean The Flesh is born immediately the sperm is hatched, it takes stages and process, 9 month pregnancy, then an human is born

Just as @Blabbermouth said, if you don't understand something, you ask!

Born OF FLESH means we are a PRODUCT of FLESH

That's the point.

Born of Spirit means we're a product of spirit at the New Birth.

What is born of Spirit is Spirit does not mean they are spirit beings on Earth, they had to Even prove Faithful before getting that adoption , it's a New kind of birth , which result in *A Spirit being

So ALL JEHOVAH WITNESS are not FAITHFUL but only those who will reign with Christ are faithful, that's nice.

This brings us back to my point.

At what point were they Born of Spirit?
1. During their life on earth
2. After they died

See this dubious entity....

So BORN OF SPIRIT "is a NEW KIND OF BIRTH"

can you see how he finally agreed with my initial point that BORN OF SPIRIT IS SPIRIT is a NEW BIRTH every believers must under go before reigning with Christ.

So how can a NEW birth be suddenly change to RESURRECTED to A SPIRIT BEING? is where you need to explain.

This is why that point , " Is Spirit " is crucial .

And exactly why you are running away from it

Yes it is, but you must first tell us WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE BORN OF SPIRIT.

Jozzy4:
Jesus wasn't born of Spirit . Jesus was born by spirit and a woman .

This birth has nothing to do with a woman.

It means Jesus has two nature!

Very nice!

OK Jesus was BORN BY SPIRIT and A WOMAN....Jozzy4 2020

Then what does it mean to be BORN OF SPIRIT?

Barristter07:
Emphasis on " Is spirit " means ?

Next time address ALL my post....

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

Emphasis on BORN OF SPIRIT....

Jesus was Born of Spirit, does that make Him a spirit being on earth? According to your doctrine...

All believers are BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit, they should all be a spirit being also.

At what point did your spirit being people BORN OF SPIRIT?
1. Before they died
2. After death

Jozzy4:
Mumu, being means a persons nature.

Human being means humans

Spirit being means Spirit.

John 4:24 directly stated it that God is spirit. This is his being

When John. 3:6 also said what is born of spirit is SPIRIT . It means they will become this being



That birth will result to becoming Spirit like John 3:6 said , Hope you know ?

Wasn't human Jesus BORN OF SPIRIT? Does it make human Jesus to be spirit being on earth?

If God is a spirit and EVERYONE who believes Jesus is CHRIST is born of God. Are they not supposed to be a spirit being?

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

Jozzy4:
They all have the same NATURE . Spirit.

This is the nature Christ and born again Christian's will also have . John 3:6

But ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN AGAIN...

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.[a] 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 1 Pet 1:22-23

Barristter07:
Emphasis on " IS SPIRIT" , explain that clause .

Are they born to become Spirit ?

Next time address ALL my post....

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

Emphasis on BORN OF SPIRIT....

Jesus was Born of Spirit, does that make Him a spirit being on earth? According to your doctrine...

All believers are BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit, they should all be a spirit being also.

At what point did your spirit being people BORN OF SPIRIT?

1. Before they died
2. After death

Barristter07:
You sound incoherent , just explain the point.
What is born of spirit IS SPIRIT means ?

It means new birth every believers must under go before reigning with Christ.
Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

Barristter07:
Because you can't. Thanks .

That's the main question you will have to explain anytime you wanna discuss Jesus nature after ressurection.

It's so funny how you people change BORN to RESURRECTION.

So to you at RESURRECTION Jesus was BORN OF SPIRT....

Yet failed to accept that the same God who BORN CHRIST at resurrection will also BORN THOSE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH.

Barristter07:
Cc: Livingchrist and Emusan. Why did both of you avoid this ...

That is the new birth every believers must under go in other to reign with Christ.

All believers must BORN AGAIN through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God who LIVETH forever.

Every believers are BORN OF GOD and the reason is WHOEVER believes that Jesus is Christ is BORN OF GOD.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
Moses mediated between God and the Israelites after delivering them out of Egyptian bondage, likewise Jesus is the mediator between God and everyone today.

So when will you know that your organization claimed that Jesus is only a MEDIATOR for the 144,000 ONLY and not for EVERYONE TODAY as you claim here

You must have read this in your Bible by yourself and not come across it in watchtower, that's why you can say this.

Your one line of thought isn't working here, go and get brainwashed in the belief that Jesus is a MEDIATOR for 144,000 only before you get disfellowsip