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DappaD:
Yes you are right. Jesus did make known the name of his Father while he was on earth. Check Mark 12:29-30 and see that it is a direct quote from Deuteronomy 6:4-5.

So it's by quoting Old Testament book it's what Jesus meant by manifesting the name of God

When the verse says "manifesting the name to the MEN YOU'VE GIVEN ME"

If this verse should mean Jesus used the name, then it should have better to be understood that Jesus TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES and no where we read that in the scripture.

So you see that Jesus indeed used his Father's name even though scribes and Jewish religious leaders tried to extinguish the name of Jehovah from the Scriptures.

Why didn't scribes and Jewish religious leaders accused Jesus of using the name, when they are looking for a way to make him a blasphemer?

Isn't that the best time for them to find serious allegation level against Jesus, since the pronunciation of the name has been forbidden?

Samunique:
It's very funny how you try to answer my question with questions .

Can you pls shed some light on the question if you have any .

Thanks !

The reason I did that was that, Jesus didn't use the name of God throughout His stay on earth.

Which then means Manifesting and Hallow God's name isn't the literal four Tetragrammaton Jesus was talking about in those verses.

Notice how some translations put that verse:

John 17:6
CEV: You have given me some followers from this world, and I have shown them what you are like. They were yours, but you gave them to me, and they have obeyed you.

EXB: “I ·showed what you are like [ revealed your name; God’s reputation/character] to ·those [ the people] you gave me from the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have ·obeyed your teaching [kept your word].

MSG: I spelled out your character in detail To the men and women you gave me.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible: Have manifested thy name - The word "name" here includes the attributes or character of God. Jesus had made known his character, his law, his will, his plan of mercy - or, in other words, he had revealed God to them. The word "name" is often used to designate the person, John 15:21; Matthew 10:22; Romans 2:24; 1 Timothy 6:1

On Matthew 6:9
Ellicott's commentary: Hallowed be thy name.—The first expression of thought in the pattern prayer is not the utterance of our wants and wishes, but that the Name of God—that which sums up all our thoughts of God—should be “hallowed,” be to us and all men as a consecrated name, not lightly used in trivial speech, or rash assertion, or bitterness of debate, but the object of awe and love and adoration. The words “Jehovah, hallowed be His name,” were familiar enough to all Israelites, and are found in many of their prayers, but here the position of the petition gives a new meaning to it, and makes it the key to all that follows.

Benson Commentary: Hallowed be thy name — The name of God is a Hebraism for God himself, his attributes, and his works. To sanctify a thing is to entertain the highest veneration for it, as true, and great, and good, and to manifest that veneration by our dispositions, words, and actions. Thus it is used 1 Peter 3:15; Isaiah 8:13.

Barne's Note on the Bible: Hallowed be thy name - The word "hallowed" means to render or pronounce holy. God's name is essentially holy; and the meaning of this petition is, "Let thy name be celebrated, venerated, and esteemed as holy everywhere, and receive from all people proper honor." It is thus the expression of a wish or desire, on the part of the worshipper, that the name of God, or that God himself, should be held everywhere in proper veneration.

And if you have any contrary opinion you can bring it forth.

Samunique:
@illicit

John 17:6
[6]I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

What can you say about the above scripture, where the Lord Jesus said He has manifested God's name, which name is He referring to here, since we cannot actually pronounce this name as it were?

Remember the same Jesus asks us to hallow God's name in the Lord's prayer.

Can you show us JUST ONE SINGLE PLACE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus make use of the NAME?

We can ask:

What does Manifestation mean?
What does HALLOW mean?

Janosky:

@1
Luke 19:11 (compare Luke24:21),
Peter and other disciples believe the erroneous teaching that the "kingdom of God would arrive IMMEDIATELY" and " Redeem Israel" from Roman Oppression because Jesus Christ always preach "Repent for the kingdom of God is @ hand.

Who taught this ERRONEOUS TEACHING that Kingdom of God would arrive IMMEDIATELY and REDEEM ISREAL from Roman oppression?

1. The Apostle
2. The Pharisees
3. Jesus Christ

Na them still write Luke24:21.19:11 & Acts1:6-7 put for your Bible, Mr LIENUS
Mr LIENUS, did Jesus Christ teach them he will Redeem Israel and the kingdom will arrive IMMEDIATELY ? (Acts1:6-7).

Which means, Bible is fallible and can't be trusted since it contains erroneous teachings.

*@[b]2
My Sister is very correct. Yes !
1 Corinthians13:12, Paul did not know everything even though God's holy spirit inspired him.
Still ,he wrote in Hebrews10:36-39 , that some fellow believers will "shrink back to destruction" and miss their heavenly reward.

Of course she must be correct because it's a case of blind supporting blind.

And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” 39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb 10:38-39

You're not among the righteous one (who will live in heaven) because you don't live by faith and you'll be DESTROYED because anyone who is not part of God's righteous one are ALL SHRINK BACK AND DESTROYED according to Heb 10:38-39

Does Paul not know EVERYTHING MEAN what Paul wrote CONTAIN ERRORS OR WRONG TEACHINGS?

That's the question your empty skull still trying to dodge.

Mr Janosense

Revelation 2:10 ,James 1:12 and 2 Peter 2:20-22, Jesus Christ, James and Peter says na so.
Endurance and faithfulness results in the crown of life.
Backslide and miss the reward.
Shikena !

Just like acholadey said my question is how come people are being resurrected to heaven when they err and wrong?

You can see that you didn't address my point but just beating around.

And what your sister said was that "If any anointed Christian who has been chosen for heavenly rule ERRED s/he will BE REPLACED even thou if the person REPENT, the person will only be given chance to live in paradise earth, NOT IN HEAVEN AGAIN."

Which is the reason for that my question!

That's contradictions....Confused JWs!

@3
Mr LIENUS, is Judas Iscariot in heaven?
Is Ananias and Saphira in heaven ?
Is Diotrephes,Hymaeneus & Alexander in heaven?

Those who shrink back are not part of God's righteous ones and will be DESTROYED (no earthly paradise for them according to Heb 10) as ALL GOD'S RIGHTEOUS ONES will reign with Christ.

Mr JaNosense

Another useless episode from deluded JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} who commissioned a preaching and teaching program {Matthew 28:19-20} before him God's holy spirit has not bestowed on anyone the gift of teaching {Ephesians 4:11} so neither Noah, Moses, David, Solomon or Jonah was a teacher, granted they were inspired to write or warn their contemporaries.

So do they give wrong warning or their writings contain errors?

The one and only person in the list that was tasked to teach is Peter, and according to God's word Peter failed woefully in this regard because he never set a fine example as a teacher who teaches by example.
Before he was anointed with God's holy spirit-
Peter display lack of faith that almost kill him, he cut off someone's ear whereas his master asked him to pray for his enemies, he betrayed Jesus three times and even swear never to have seen Jesus before.
After his anointing-
Peter shy away denying his fellow gentile Christian brothers because of the fear of Jewish Christians.
Talking about teaching Peter didn't set a fine example yet Jesus tasked him to feed his sheep {John 21:15-17 compare to Matthew 16:18-19; Luke 22:31-32} meaning that Jesus wasn't looking for a perfect teacher like himself because that's not possible, but at least a person must be willing to dedicate his time, effort and resources to what Jesus count as the most important work in the history of mankind.

Again, does Peter's writings and teachings contain errors and mistakes?

I can see how you deluded JWs are just changing the narrative.

Jesus didn't replace or demote Peter,

But your sister once said here that ANYBODY who fall out of God's moral standards won't be given a place to rule with Christ.

Now a partial Jesus didn't replace Peter but today many CHOSEN AND ANOINTED JWS can be replaced by the same Jesus if they made simple mistake like Peter did.

So much for the back and forth confusion doctrines.

he chose Paul as the thirteenth Apostle {Act 9:15} to TEACH where Peter failed to inculcate the right thing in the minds of the sheep! Galatians 2:11-14
That's why Paul was given the spirit of teaching because Peter didn't measure up, but Jesus still made Peter the mouthpiece amongst the Apostles! Act 2:14, 3:4, 12
You'll notice that Peter never wrote a gospel, neither did he address any specific congregation with a letter (to teach like Paul) but he remained the mouthpiece of the Apostles.

Does that make the writing of Peter to be fallible

So if the GB as an imperfect body of anointed Christians err in teaching and doctrine, it's in their midst that Jesus will use one or two persons to correct them.

But anybody who falls out of God's moral standards won't be qualified for heaven, how come people are being resurrected to heaven when they err and wrong?

What will show that they are for Jesus is not how perfect they're able to deliver the teachings and doctrines entrusted to them. But the outcome of their stewardship in the activities of those taking instructions from them! Matthew 7:16-18

Does their teachings and doctrines contains errors?

Why this simple question is so hard for you to answer?

That's why i keep asking anyone who feels like the GB is not qualified to represent Christ's chosen ones, "please present a better performing group of leaders and let's examine the outcome of their teachings in the lives and activities of those following them"

You'll keep asking because the people you're asking aren't in competition with you, it's only JWs that are in competition with other just continue to deceive themselves with over self righteousness.

Who are you to examine anyone? Are you God?

Very soon now, if you run out of your delusion you start with the phrase "stick to what you believe and I stick to what I believe"

Thanks and God bless you!

The same God bless you too

Janosky:
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16-17
The Bible reveals the errors and mistakes made by servants of Jehovah God, for our benefit.

Don't get it twisted, Bros.

You're still dancing around!

Does their TEACHINGS and WRITINGS contain ERRORS

Which then makes Bible to be uninspired and fallible.

Who is talking about their personal life

Janosky:
1 Timothy 4:16, NIV: "Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers." ..

Your teaching is not only what you say , also what you do, your way of life.

The answer to your question is "Yes !!!!"

Errors & mistakes full the life and teachings of all of them...

That means Bible is full of such errors and teachings.

Do you agree?

I know Mr JaNosense, will change tune now!

MaxInDHouse:
Being inspired is not a license to perfection!

Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Jonah, Peter and many other servants of God were inspired yet they were not perfect (infallible), the GB told the whole world that they're neither inspired nor infallible.

Then who says they are perfect

The point is: Do the teaching of Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Jonah, Peter and many others servants of God contain ERROR or WRONG DOCTRINES?

[s]They (as we believe) were appointed in 1919 to oversee the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned that was obstructed since the death of all the Apostles. And they're to continue feeding Jesus' sheep to make them progress and fruitful regarding the preaching and teaching program.

So when Jesus (as a spirit person) began dealing with them they were like little babies learning how to walk, and during those times of course they surely made many mistakes as imperfect humans dealing with an invisible spirit. But Jesus said that the end result will justify if they were truly working for and with him! Matthew 7:16-18

Today Jehovah's Witnesses have stood out with a great difference, the Organization where racism and politics is rendered powerless, the Organization globally known for zealous preaching and teaching program, the Organization that's orderly and all members have the same line of thought!

Well these might seem meaningless to some but to the over 8,700,000 people from different races under the heavens coming together to subject themselves to this GB it means a lot! Zechariah 8:23[/s]

Irrelevant!

God bless you!

The same God bless you...

Janosky:

It is on record that the JWs Governing Body are not perfect.. Even Paul himself..
Las Las.....

But they are inspired and Paul was inspired too!

So did Paul get any teaching wrong or not?


By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)

Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

If they're not perfect and can wrong in DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS, why do you always see their teachings as PERFECT?

Can you tell us some doctrinal teachings they got wrong?

Janosky:
Only Jehovah's servants chosen by Jehovah to be co-rulers with Jesus Christ will ascend to heaven.
1 Corinthians13:12 , Jehovah's servants do not know everything to it's minute details.

1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." NIV

How does this relate to my post

Mr JaNosense!

AkinwaleJJ:
They surely will, they only lost the privilege of being with Jesus in heaven when they fail. Those going to heaven have no second chance, failure to maintain the standard means they can now run for everlasting life on earth.
That's what Jesus told the sons of Zebedee, they both told Jesus they're up to the task, and they made it because they maintained those qualities without fail. The Christian disfellowshiped in Corinth over fornication might have been part of the anointed, but after his misdeed he can no longer be one of them yet by God's grace if he genuinely repented he will have everlasting, not in heaven anymore but here on earth!

But even your organization admitted that the early Bible students made mistakes as those of Apostles.

So which means going by your point, no one is in heaven with Christ since virtually NO HUMAN IS INFALLIBLE.

This is a statement from Watchtower "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26

Now do you think anyone among Jehovah witness since inception will be in heaven by now?

It is a contradiction to later claimed that people are already resurrected to heaven since 1914.

AkinwaleJJ:
NO!
It means Whoever failed among them to keep those qualities will loose his qualification of being part of the first resurrection, then such a person can continue his race for everlasting life in Paradise on earth!
Good evening sir!

You just proved my point that "It means THOSE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH can't remain loyal forever to Christ and God, and don't possess such attributes of Honesty, integrity and compassion ."

Good evening ma!

Blabbermouth:
I concur.

You concur to which one:

"1. That whatever happens between a man and a woman (married) behind closed doors is Holy so far they're both enjoying it."


2. That "I purposely told him in a chat that there are certain aspects of life on earth that those going to heaven will no more engage in that's all and ever"

For you to understand the second part very well read this article

You'll see Watchtower prescribing two different lifestyle for her members.

The most astonished point from the article is:

"Another requirement is that they conform to God’s moral standards and manifest such qualities as honesty, integrity, and compassion. ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ) They must also remain loyal to God and Christ till the end of their earthly course. ( Luke 22:28-30; 2 Timothy 2:12 ) Only by meeting those requirements can they show themselves worthy of being resurrected and qualified for the weighty responsibility awaiting them in heaven..."

It means those who will live forever on earth can't remain loyal forever to Christ and God, and don't possess such attributes of Honesty, integrity and compassion.

When the scripture says "Be ye perfect as your Father is perfect" and "Be ye Holy as I am Holy"

MaxInDHouse:
In as much as there are other commentators whose comments never formed one single line of thought and you singled my own, shows you genuinely cared for and take note of unique comments. So may God bless you for the interest shown for his name and righteousness!

No need of this Mumbo Jumbo!

God bless you richly.

According to Bible book of Colossians 1:15-16 God first created a mighty spirit creature known as the "first born" but then it's left to each scholar to find out who this first born is? In my own opinion i believe it's Michael who is referred to as the archangel or chief angel!

So how could you then say "God FIRST created many spirit lives?

That's an error, right?

The holy spirit wasn't created, it's God's active force as in the energy God emits to accomplish his purposes.

So Holy Spirit is ETERNAL, in simple word.

Now, if Holy Spirit is what God emits as a force, how could Christ control Him?

You means Christ has control over God

Jesus (Michael) don't have that type of force in him, he himself was an angel who must move to and fro in order to accomplish whatever he wish.

But the Holy Spirit was CALLED the Spirit of Christ.

Not different FORCES here but the same HOLY SPIRT said to be SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

But due to the power confined in him after his earthly assignment, God gave Jesus that power to also emit energy (force) without having to move up and down.

So God makes Christ to be ALL POWERFUL, that's nice!

But the point here is, Jesus Christ didn't emit any energy (force) but the Holy Spirit was CALLED His spirit.

Are they two different Holy Spirit?

That's why he could say "God will send the holy spirit in my name" {John 14:26}

But Christ says somewhere else that He will be the one who will send the Comforter.

How come Christ has power to send something that is absolutely part of God and belong to God?

Jesus could say this because the power belongs only to his father but God after his earthly assignment God gave Jesus the right to make use of that same force (energy).

Apostle Peter said in the old time, "the SPIRIT OF CHRIST in them (believers) spoke expressly"

Which means The Holy Spirit isn't something Christ has access to after His earthly mission but from time immemorial.

Tell us another lie, this is too cheap.

Due to problem in translation there could be little mix up but if you consider the same verse in other translations then you'll find out that the verse never said God's active force has a mind of its own!

And you can't name the Translation.

Can you provide at least 5 New Testament Translations apart from the one you provided above, so that we can cross check them?

Meanwhile, even the translation you quoted can't save you either because it says "it is PLEADING IN HARMONY with God..." It shows that verse proves Holy Spirit has the mind of His own because what doesn't have MIND can't be PLEADING IN HARMONY WITH GOD.

MaxInDHouse:
God is a spirit, he first created many spirit lifes lives in heaven, they are called angels (messengers).

Did God FIRST created many spirit lives in heaven or FIRST created Angel Michael?

As a spirit God sends out a form of force that he often use to accomplish his purposes, this is what is known as the holy spirit in the Bible,

So is Holy Spirit created or not created?

How come Jesus can also send this Spirit or the Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ?

unlike angels who have their own minds and can choose to obey or disobey God's orders, the holy spirit HAS NO MIND OF IT'S OWN.
It only does what God sent out to do!

@bolden and underlined

Is it that you just decided to lie against scripture or you didn't know that a verse like this; CEV: All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT, as the Spirit prays for God’s people. Rom 8:27 where it's boldly written that the Holy Spirit has A MIND or you just chose to be beclouded by Watchtower teaching?

AkinwaleJJ:
My goodness!
So he's indeed a northerner!
Now i see!
Please be careful with those you guys engage in debates, northerners often takes laws into their hands when they're frustrated.
Thank you, i'll ignore him henceforth!

That's the hypocrisy I do talk about, about JWs!

Let me add salt to this statement by inserting your organization name: "all JWs that live in the north, breaths their air, drinks their water, eat their food and surely must have been infected with their gas there as social distancing doesn't work well them there.
....continue to insult you just like any common mallam will do indiscriminately!"

This is a chaotic statement targeted at a specific group of tribe in Nigeria by one of your so called brother which you firmly agreed with but forgotten that there are many JWs in the north.

Just like I said, your frustration and pain just started.

AkinwaleJJ:
The bolded is where you're wrong. All of you are brothers since you agreed to discuss on Bible topics and engage in insults, when one man insulted another it's based on their approach and responds.

Don't be a coward, come out straight!

At @color, who are the ALL OF YOU?

1. Me and your JWs brothers
2. Me and other faithful Christians

That doesn't bring everyone around you into the game of insult simply because you feel they're on the same side.

I gave you hot because you watch your brother insulted another person which you supported by liking his post and even trying to justify the insulting statement only for you to come here and started pretending.

Hypocrite!

Why do we blame northeners for attacking people indiscriminately?
I once heard this people attacked schools of toddlers simply because they heard that southerners are fighting against their people!
I believe you're not a northerner so try to face whoever insults you, that's what makes you a real man!

Cry me a river!

Why do you derive joy when your brother are insulting people instead for you to rebuke them?

I heard Northerners do hail their brothers who attacked others for insulting their prophet and Allah...

You must be a Northerner.

Barristter07:
Let's examine your claim .

Genesis 3:22 " Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. " ESV

God said IN KNOWING GOOD and BAD . He didn't just say they become like US. U this Fraud

See the lying liar mouth!

But the become like God and they're still male and female.

In Jesus statement he said THEY WON'T Marry , cos they will be like angels. Angels don't marry because they are sexless.

You can't escape this. Your Male and Female sexes in heaven debunked.

Then who says those after resurrection will marry because they are still male and female?

Even Revelation talks about the 144,000 as a VIRGIN in heaven.

Are angels also virgin?

But the main point is, Jesus was addressing the issue of those WHO HAD LIVED LONG BEFORE HIM as a practice initiated by MOSES.

So THESE PEOPLE according to your doctrine won't be part of the Heavenly Resurrection, how come Jesus told them that "In RESURRECTION (general) they neither marry nor given in marriage..." if Jesus was actually talking about heavenly resurrection

When Jesus could have said, well when they resurrected on earth each person will get his own wife.

Anyone having part in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death. Once you share in it, you can't be harmed, begs the question : which ressurection did those harmed have?

The Bible simply explains what second death means

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8

Quicken means to make alive . Simple

Finally you accept unbelievers have God's spirit too. We are seeing it clearly that your glorious body idea stretched to even unbelievers

Where did I say unbelievers have God's spirit? Ode..

I asked you, just tell us unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans

The earth he has given to the son of men . The verse refer to the heavens . Which contradict your stance that men of flesh and blood went to heaven.

You believe they can't go to heaven because flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God.

When you also know that Earth is will be part of God's kingdom.

So know where to hide for your lying mouth.

Believers Flesh and blood

Unbelievers Flesh and blood

Believers Raised incorruptible

Unbelievers Raised incorruptible too

Believers Quicken bodies

Unbelievers Quicken bodies.

You are a fraud Emusan. The Glorious body of Christ shared by even unbelievers .

Lying liar JWs following the perfect lying liar organization.

Who made all these claims

Blabbermouth:
Cc: Shadeyinka and Emusan.
Brother needs an answer to his question.

Thanks for calling my attention to this!

And for the baby Christian, I'll advice you to do more reading of the scripture and attend Sunday school.

Angels and Holy Spirit are different entities.

Angels are created and they are persons

Holy Spirit is uncreated and also a person.

Barristter07:
How can you contradict yourself in the same statement ?

First you claim Jesus ressurected a male ... next you quoted where he said At ressurection , those ressurected will be like angels. Sexless.

Olodo...where is the contradiction?

They didn't become ANGEL...go school you no gree!

After Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God said they have BECOME LIKE one of US. I guess to your tiny Brain Adam and Eve are now sexless since God is sexless.

Anyone having a share in first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death . So which ressurection Did those harmed have ??

The right question should have been, who are the one affected by the second death?

All believers cannot be affected by the second death

The second death is for "the coward, liars false prophets (JWs) e.t.c

The Greek word rendered Quickened means to make ALIVE. Will unbelievers be be ressurected ?

Is English now your problem bayii @red

Just as it has been your problem since onset.

You can keep asking.

Just tell us that Unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans. That's all.

If the throne is in heaven . God's kingdom rules from heaven. When Satan was casted to earth, the proclamation goes " now have come to pass the Kingdom of OUR GOD ... On this account be glad you heavens "

So how did flesh and blood manage to enter heaven where God's kingdom rules ??

And the same God's kingdom reaching to earth

How could flesh and blood live forever on paradise earth when they are flesh and blood

this is too much for you to handle ...

Believers flesh and bones

Unbelievers Flesh and bones too

Believers Incorruptible

Unbelievers Incorruptible body too

Where is the glorious body that unbelievers don't have?

Here it is from the horse mouth itself "In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.​ — 1 Corinthians 15:12, 13.

Just so unfortunate that after your lying organization can say this, they still go ahead to claim some people became spirit beings at resurrection.

Like Jozzy4 go talk " You are dull "

You're just hiding under the delusion of your deluded brother, come out boldly you're man enough.

Brainwashed JWs!

AkinwaleJJ:
What makes you a real man is to face whoever insults you and pay such a person back in their own coin but it doesn't speak well of you to start insulting every member of a group simply because a member once insulted you!
Imagine a Buddhist just walk up to you and slapped you because a Churchgoer once slapped him and he noticed you're also going to church!
So please try to be liberal by facing whoever did such to you, i don't insult people, i only chat when you're ready to reason from the scriptures.

Here come the hypocrite again!

Your brothers insulted people, instead of you to rebuke them, you will go behind to hail them which means you give your support to their actions.

Now here comes the hypocrite pretending as if she didn't know anything.

Like I said, your frustration just started.

I'm waiting for your razor blade mouth.

Barristter07:
Wounded lion Emusan , This thread is a good one.

That's me Son of the Lion of Judah

Deluded brainwashed master.

The point is Angels of heaven are sexless, your humans in heaven theory is a sham ND an hoax.

Jesus is A MAN in heaven says the scripture you can tear that from your lying translation.

Someone here told you earlier there are two ressurection, Jesus was reffering to the first . Which is ressurection as Spirit beings

Just like I predicted, see the lying liar mouth.

The question that was asked from Jesus was about "what MOSES wrote and what they practiced"

And Jesus answered based on that question, so according to Jesus "FOR IN RESURRECTION they neither marry nor given in marriage and be like angels in heaven"

This thrashes your lying mouth!

Good I remember, anyone having share in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death .

Yes! The believers won't be harmed by the second death

So which Ressurection did unbelievers have ??

From your lying organization!

The Bible’s answer
In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek
a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.​ —1 Corinthians 15:12, 13.


So this is a proof that Jesus was resurrected AS THE PERSON HE WAS BEFORE "A HUMAN"

Also, unbelievers will won't be quickening.

Not so fast, u can't escape this, but which location are they ressurected , a verse said they stand before the throne. So where is this throne ?? How come flesh and blood stand in God's heavenly Kingdom ?

The throne is in Heaven which debunked your lying organization!

Where did you see stand in God's heavenly kingdom

Lying liar.

Unbelievers won't have glorious body, but you said they will be in torment. The corruptible human body cannot withstand fire for 24 hours before it get burnt, but this body will stand fire for Ever and ever . And you said this body is corruptible ? In Jozzy4 voice you are dull.

The deluded person!

They're raised for everlasting destruction while believers are raised to everlasting life.

This shows that at resurrection as "A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before."

At the end unbelievers and believers have the same Glorious body of Christ. Emusan , So this is what you are peddling around ?

Says the deluded JWs!

You just want to squeeze yourself as unbelievers into the glorious body of Christ, no way; fire burns with sulphur and brimstone is your abode, unless you repent.

Only believers will have the Glorious body of our Master and Lord, Christ Jesus!

Barristter07:
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. "

Are angels Sexless or not ?

I know this is where your delusion will end.

And I've seen it coming, that's why I keep clamouring that no sex after resurrection.

Now, if FOR IN RESURRECTION they neither marry nor given in marriage and be like angels in heaven, then how come both image of male and female always in your publications for paradise earth?

I know the deluded one will shift goal post again.

Yeye, to where will they be ressurected ? Heaven or earth ?

To everlasting destruction!

If they don't , then going by that Romans they won't have come alive

So unbelievers have the Spirit of God. That's nice!

You are still giving both the same Glorious body . Funny thing is both are human , and both Will exist forever . Glorious in this context . That's immortal and and incorruptible.

Says deluded JWs!
If you have any reasonable thing to say again, let me know!

Barristter07:
Laughs#

Let's take a look at the Greek word for Man at Act 17:31


anér: a man
Original Word: ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anér
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-ayr)
Definition: a man
Usage: a male human being; a man, husband.

- Strongs

The usage refer to the Male sex, So which means it's not about Nature, But Sex of the person discussed.

That means Females will be Females as well.

So does A MALE SEX isn't A MAN?

Yes at resurrection everyone will come back as the were before male to male and female to female.

Jesus is A MAN now?

Jozzy4 go say you are dull. I no doubt am

And you and her have no senses and deluded!

Sure, A Male human .

Yes HUMAN! Not a spirit!

But we just find prove Jesus retain his Male human form , Which begs the question , would the Females be transgendered or left like that ?

YES! Jesus retain his male HUMAN FORM, Jesus is not a spirit.

Already answered above!

U need to answer that question. since that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom , Into whose Kingdom are these Unbelievers with flesh and blood ressurected?

That's why you'll always remain Olodo buruku.

Unbelievers aren't entering any Kingdom, so they're resurrected for everlasting destruction.

Since English is your problem, Jozzy4 quoted another translation that made it clear Quicken means to make their mortal bodies alive . So automatically ressurection means their bodies were also made alive. That shows they have God's spirit in them too. Since quickening is only for those with God's spirit

See the person I do correct and teach English here saying I'm having problem with English.

Do unbelievers have the spirt of God in them?

That is the question your deluded brother still unable to answer since.

Glorious body is flesh and bones right ? Unbelievers also have this same body of flesh and bones ?? So what's the difference.

U are not well .

Says the deluded JWs!

The different is believers will reign forever with their Lord and you unbelievers will be in anguish of torment.

AkinwaleJJ:
I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.

Your frustration just started.

Please go ahead, hypocrite!
But you'll be very happy and cheering your brothers when they do the same.

You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.

But I think JWs are God who have the right to uphold every facet of the scripture.

Cry me a river!

So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

Deluded JWs I'm waiting for your insults

Odun.....

AkinwaleJJ:
Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

See this deluded one!

So you agree that other people aside JWs do preach but you hypocrite will claim it's only JWs who preach.

They speak into the air yet the have more branches and followers than your demonic organization that keep knocking on door to door and be in existence more than 100 years.

So who is bringing more fruits?

You'll see the clown, claiming that figures doesn't matter or having more branches doesn't matter either.

Barristter07:
You are actually the one whose sense is missing bro,

Says the deluded JWs who has lost his senses since and couldn't differentiate between MAN as in Nature and MAN a male.

Clown, the point here is NATURE not sex.

If the word Man which is a male human being refer to Jesus nature,

Wasn't the word MAN used for both females and males regarding their NATURE?

As the scripture says "The only one who has been appointed by God to judge is A MAN not A SPIRIT

The question remains : Female humans will be FEMALE ?? Or they will undergo sex change to MAN ??

Ode. Osi.....

At resurrection NOTHING LIKE SEX I know that's where you deluded JWs are going by bringing up the issue of FEMALE.

flesh and blood in whose Kingdom?

In your kingdom

Jozzy4 really debunk you here using the scriptures ... Quicken the mortal bodies simply means to Make it Alive. This means all that ressurected are having God's spirit in them, . Debunking the bolded.

Liar...

Only believers with the Spirit of God in them QUICKNEN their bodies.

Unless you show us where unbelievers have God's spirit in them and how the spirit their bodies will be quickening.

The point here is Unbelievers and Believers are all having the So called Spiritual body. According to pastor Emusan. Tiki taka , confirm one

Where did I make the bolden statement

The point here is, both believers and unbelievers will be raised back to life but according to the scripture believers who has the Spirit of God in them will be transformed into glorious bodies.

Barristter07:
Go and respond to Jozzy4

If your brain isn't paining you, you should have seen that she's just perambulating. That's why I just left her to her folly.

Barristter07:
where Emusan dey , na serious matter be this. The worse thing is they have successfully given spiritual body Christ ressurected with to even sinners in their confusion.

I'm here, any problem?

DappaD:
SOME PEOPLE SAY that he has no name, others say that it is God or Lord, and still others say that he has dozens of names. What do you think?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”​—Psalm 83:18.

True!

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?

• Although God has many titles, he has given
himself only one name.​—Exodus 3:15.

• God is not a mystery; he wants us to get to
know him.​—Acts 17:27.

• Knowing God’s name can be the first step to
having a friendship with him.​—James 4:8.

The only Name given in the New Testament is the Name Jesus which ALL THE APOSTLES AND EARLY CHRISTIANS use in their daily activities.

Besides, James 4:8 has nothing to do with God's name!

Is it wrong to pronounce God’s name?
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

• Yes

• No

• It depends

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way.” (Exodus 20:7) The only time it is wrong to use God’s name is if this is done disrespectfully.​—Jeremiah 29:9.

But your organization is taking the name in a worthless way today.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?
• Jesus knew and used God’s name.​—John 17:25, 26.

Adding to the scripture, Jesus never used the name Yahweh.

You can provide the verse here!

Jesus addressed God more than 30 times and no where did Jesus ever USED THE DIVINE NAME.

•God invites us to address him by name.​—Psalm 105:1

But we've been given a name by which man must be saved the Name Jesus!

No wonder none of Christ Apostles' address God with the divine name.

• God’s enemies try to make people forget his name.​—Jeremiah 23:27.

This is rather about JW because verse 26 says ESV: How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart,

We know how many times the prophets of your organization have prophesied lies.

Janosky:
If you get liver, make you deny your Bible doesn't have Matthew 5:5 and Psalms 37:29.


Have you told your Ken4 that Mary is the Mother of your Triune God?
Continue DECEIVING yourselves

And do you lost these verses in your Bible as well?

Many people will come from everywhere to enjoy the feast in the kingdom of heaven with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matt 8:11

3. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

10. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:3,10

I guess the people who will gain heavenly life aren't MEEK, that's why Jehovah has to take them to where He is.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not as useless and stupid as the OP, tell me the QUESTION he asked!

I can sense the pain this thread is causing you!