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Barristter07:
Let's examine your claim .

Genesis 3:22 " Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. " ESV

God said IN KNOWING GOOD and BAD . He didn't just say they become like US. U this Fraud

See the lying liar mouth!

But the become like God and they're still male and female.

In Jesus statement he said THEY WON'T Marry , cos they will be like angels. Angels don't marry because they are sexless.

You can't escape this. Your Male and Female sexes in heaven debunked.

Then who says those after resurrection will marry because they are still male and female?

Even Revelation talks about the 144,000 as a VIRGIN in heaven.

Are angels also virgin?

But the main point is, Jesus was addressing the issue of those WHO HAD LIVED LONG BEFORE HIM as a practice initiated by MOSES.

So THESE PEOPLE according to your doctrine won't be part of the Heavenly Resurrection, how come Jesus told them that "In RESURRECTION (general) they neither marry nor given in marriage..." if Jesus was actually talking about heavenly resurrection

When Jesus could have said, well when they resurrected on earth each person will get his own wife.

Anyone having part in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death. Once you share in it, you can't be harmed, begs the question : which ressurection did those harmed have?

The Bible simply explains what second death means

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8

Quicken means to make alive . Simple

Finally you accept unbelievers have God's spirit too. We are seeing it clearly that your glorious body idea stretched to even unbelievers

Where did I say unbelievers have God's spirit? Ode..

I asked you, just tell us unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans

The earth he has given to the son of men . The verse refer to the heavens . Which contradict your stance that men of flesh and blood went to heaven.

You believe they can't go to heaven because flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God.

When you also know that Earth is will be part of God's kingdom.

So know where to hide for your lying mouth.

Believers Flesh and blood

Unbelievers Flesh and blood

Believers Raised incorruptible

Unbelievers Raised incorruptible too

Believers Quicken bodies

Unbelievers Quicken bodies.

You are a fraud Emusan. The Glorious body of Christ shared by even unbelievers .

Lying liar JWs following the perfect lying liar organization.

Who made all these claims

Blabbermouth:
Cc: Shadeyinka and Emusan.
Brother needs an answer to his question.

Thanks for calling my attention to this!

And for the baby Christian, I'll advice you to do more reading of the scripture and attend Sunday school.

Angels and Holy Spirit are different entities.

Angels are created and they are persons

Holy Spirit is uncreated and also a person.

Barristter07:
How can you contradict yourself in the same statement ?

First you claim Jesus ressurected a male ... next you quoted where he said At ressurection , those ressurected will be like angels. Sexless.

Olodo...where is the contradiction?

They didn't become ANGEL...go school you no gree!

After Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God said they have BECOME LIKE one of US. I guess to your tiny Brain Adam and Eve are now sexless since God is sexless.

Anyone having a share in first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death . So which ressurection Did those harmed have ??

The right question should have been, who are the one affected by the second death?

All believers cannot be affected by the second death

The second death is for "the coward, liars false prophets (JWs) e.t.c

The Greek word rendered Quickened means to make ALIVE. Will unbelievers be be ressurected ?

Is English now your problem bayii @red

Just as it has been your problem since onset.

You can keep asking.

Just tell us that Unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans. That's all.

If the throne is in heaven . God's kingdom rules from heaven. When Satan was casted to earth, the proclamation goes " now have come to pass the Kingdom of OUR GOD ... On this account be glad you heavens "

So how did flesh and blood manage to enter heaven where God's kingdom rules ??

And the same God's kingdom reaching to earth

How could flesh and blood live forever on paradise earth when they are flesh and blood

this is too much for you to handle ...

Believers flesh and bones

Unbelievers Flesh and bones too

Believers Incorruptible

Unbelievers Incorruptible body too

Where is the glorious body that unbelievers don't have?

Here it is from the horse mouth itself "In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.​ — 1 Corinthians 15:12, 13.

Just so unfortunate that after your lying organization can say this, they still go ahead to claim some people became spirit beings at resurrection.

Like Jozzy4 go talk " You are dull "

You're just hiding under the delusion of your deluded brother, come out boldly you're man enough.

Brainwashed JWs!

AkinwaleJJ:
What makes you a real man is to face whoever insults you and pay such a person back in their own coin but it doesn't speak well of you to start insulting every member of a group simply because a member once insulted you!
Imagine a Buddhist just walk up to you and slapped you because a Churchgoer once slapped him and he noticed you're also going to church!
So please try to be liberal by facing whoever did such to you, i don't insult people, i only chat when you're ready to reason from the scriptures.

Here come the hypocrite again!

Your brothers insulted people, instead of you to rebuke them, you will go behind to hail them which means you give your support to their actions.

Now here comes the hypocrite pretending as if she didn't know anything.

Like I said, your frustration just started.

I'm waiting for your razor blade mouth.

Barristter07:
Wounded lion Emusan , This thread is a good one.

That's me Son of the Lion of Judah

Deluded brainwashed master.

The point is Angels of heaven are sexless, your humans in heaven theory is a sham ND an hoax.

Jesus is A MAN in heaven says the scripture you can tear that from your lying translation.

Someone here told you earlier there are two ressurection, Jesus was reffering to the first . Which is ressurection as Spirit beings

Just like I predicted, see the lying liar mouth.

The question that was asked from Jesus was about "what MOSES wrote and what they practiced"

And Jesus answered based on that question, so according to Jesus "FOR IN RESURRECTION they neither marry nor given in marriage and be like angels in heaven"

This thrashes your lying mouth!

Good I remember, anyone having share in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death .

Yes! The believers won't be harmed by the second death

So which Ressurection did unbelievers have ??

From your lying organization!

The Bible’s answer
In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek
a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.​ —1 Corinthians 15:12, 13.


So this is a proof that Jesus was resurrected AS THE PERSON HE WAS BEFORE "A HUMAN"

Also, unbelievers will won't be quickening.

Not so fast, u can't escape this, but which location are they ressurected , a verse said they stand before the throne. So where is this throne ?? How come flesh and blood stand in God's heavenly Kingdom ?

The throne is in Heaven which debunked your lying organization!

Where did you see stand in God's heavenly kingdom

Lying liar.

Unbelievers won't have glorious body, but you said they will be in torment. The corruptible human body cannot withstand fire for 24 hours before it get burnt, but this body will stand fire for Ever and ever . And you said this body is corruptible ? In Jozzy4 voice you are dull.

The deluded person!

They're raised for everlasting destruction while believers are raised to everlasting life.

This shows that at resurrection as "A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before."

At the end unbelievers and believers have the same Glorious body of Christ. Emusan , So this is what you are peddling around ?

Says the deluded JWs!

You just want to squeeze yourself as unbelievers into the glorious body of Christ, no way; fire burns with sulphur and brimstone is your abode, unless you repent.

Only believers will have the Glorious body of our Master and Lord, Christ Jesus!

Barristter07:
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. "

Are angels Sexless or not ?

I know this is where your delusion will end.

And I've seen it coming, that's why I keep clamouring that no sex after resurrection.

Now, if FOR IN RESURRECTION they neither marry nor given in marriage and be like angels in heaven, then how come both image of male and female always in your publications for paradise earth?

I know the deluded one will shift goal post again.

Yeye, to where will they be ressurected ? Heaven or earth ?

To everlasting destruction!

If they don't , then going by that Romans they won't have come alive

So unbelievers have the Spirit of God. That's nice!

You are still giving both the same Glorious body . Funny thing is both are human , and both Will exist forever . Glorious in this context . That's immortal and and incorruptible.

Says deluded JWs!
If you have any reasonable thing to say again, let me know!

Barristter07:
Laughs#

Let's take a look at the Greek word for Man at Act 17:31


anér: a man
Original Word: ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anér
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-ayr)
Definition: a man
Usage: a male human being; a man, husband.

- Strongs

The usage refer to the Male sex, So which means it's not about Nature, But Sex of the person discussed.

That means Females will be Females as well.

So does A MALE SEX isn't A MAN?

Yes at resurrection everyone will come back as the were before male to male and female to female.

Jesus is A MAN now?

Jozzy4 go say you are dull. I no doubt am

And you and her have no senses and deluded!

Sure, A Male human .

Yes HUMAN! Not a spirit!

But we just find prove Jesus retain his Male human form , Which begs the question , would the Females be transgendered or left like that ?

YES! Jesus retain his male HUMAN FORM, Jesus is not a spirit.

Already answered above!

U need to answer that question. since that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom , Into whose Kingdom are these Unbelievers with flesh and blood ressurected?

That's why you'll always remain Olodo buruku.

Unbelievers aren't entering any Kingdom, so they're resurrected for everlasting destruction.

Since English is your problem, Jozzy4 quoted another translation that made it clear Quicken means to make their mortal bodies alive . So automatically ressurection means their bodies were also made alive. That shows they have God's spirit in them too. Since quickening is only for those with God's spirit

See the person I do correct and teach English here saying I'm having problem with English.

Do unbelievers have the spirt of God in them?

That is the question your deluded brother still unable to answer since.

Glorious body is flesh and bones right ? Unbelievers also have this same body of flesh and bones ?? So what's the difference.

U are not well .

Says the deluded JWs!

The different is believers will reign forever with their Lord and you unbelievers will be in anguish of torment.

AkinwaleJJ:
I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.

Your frustration just started.

Please go ahead, hypocrite!
But you'll be very happy and cheering your brothers when they do the same.

You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.

But I think JWs are God who have the right to uphold every facet of the scripture.

Cry me a river!

So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

Deluded JWs I'm waiting for your insults

Odun.....

AkinwaleJJ:
Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

See this deluded one!

So you agree that other people aside JWs do preach but you hypocrite will claim it's only JWs who preach.

They speak into the air yet the have more branches and followers than your demonic organization that keep knocking on door to door and be in existence more than 100 years.

So who is bringing more fruits?

You'll see the clown, claiming that figures doesn't matter or having more branches doesn't matter either.

Barristter07:
You are actually the one whose sense is missing bro,

Says the deluded JWs who has lost his senses since and couldn't differentiate between MAN as in Nature and MAN a male.

Clown, the point here is NATURE not sex.

If the word Man which is a male human being refer to Jesus nature,

Wasn't the word MAN used for both females and males regarding their NATURE?

As the scripture says "The only one who has been appointed by God to judge is A MAN not A SPIRIT

The question remains : Female humans will be FEMALE ?? Or they will undergo sex change to MAN ??

Ode. Osi.....

At resurrection NOTHING LIKE SEX I know that's where you deluded JWs are going by bringing up the issue of FEMALE.

flesh and blood in whose Kingdom?

In your kingdom

Jozzy4 really debunk you here using the scriptures ... Quicken the mortal bodies simply means to Make it Alive. This means all that ressurected are having God's spirit in them, . Debunking the bolded.

Liar...

Only believers with the Spirit of God in them QUICKNEN their bodies.

Unless you show us where unbelievers have God's spirit in them and how the spirit their bodies will be quickening.

The point here is Unbelievers and Believers are all having the So called Spiritual body. According to pastor Emusan. Tiki taka , confirm one

Where did I make the bolden statement

The point here is, both believers and unbelievers will be raised back to life but according to the scripture believers who has the Spirit of God in them will be transformed into glorious bodies.

Barristter07:
Go and respond to Jozzy4

If your brain isn't paining you, you should have seen that she's just perambulating. That's why I just left her to her folly.

Barristter07:
where Emusan dey , na serious matter be this. The worse thing is they have successfully given spiritual body Christ ressurected with to even sinners in their confusion.

I'm here, any problem?

DappaD:
SOME PEOPLE SAY that he has no name, others say that it is God or Lord, and still others say that he has dozens of names. What do you think?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”​—Psalm 83:18.

True!

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?

• Although God has many titles, he has given
himself only one name.​—Exodus 3:15.

• God is not a mystery; he wants us to get to
know him.​—Acts 17:27.

• Knowing God’s name can be the first step to
having a friendship with him.​—James 4:8.

The only Name given in the New Testament is the Name Jesus which ALL THE APOSTLES AND EARLY CHRISTIANS use in their daily activities.

Besides, James 4:8 has nothing to do with God's name!

Is it wrong to pronounce God’s name?
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

• Yes

• No

• It depends

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way.” (Exodus 20:7) The only time it is wrong to use God’s name is if this is done disrespectfully.​—Jeremiah 29:9.

But your organization is taking the name in a worthless way today.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?
• Jesus knew and used God’s name.​—John 17:25, 26.

Adding to the scripture, Jesus never used the name Yahweh.

You can provide the verse here!

Jesus addressed God more than 30 times and no where did Jesus ever USED THE DIVINE NAME.

•God invites us to address him by name.​—Psalm 105:1

But we've been given a name by which man must be saved the Name Jesus!

No wonder none of Christ Apostles' address God with the divine name.

• God’s enemies try to make people forget his name.​—Jeremiah 23:27.

This is rather about JW because verse 26 says ESV: How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart,

We know how many times the prophets of your organization have prophesied lies.

Janosky:
If you get liver, make you deny your Bible doesn't have Matthew 5:5 and Psalms 37:29.


Have you told your Ken4 that Mary is the Mother of your Triune God?
Continue DECEIVING yourselves

And do you lost these verses in your Bible as well?

Many people will come from everywhere to enjoy the feast in the kingdom of heaven with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matt 8:11

3. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

10. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:3,10

I guess the people who will gain heavenly life aren't MEEK, that's why Jehovah has to take them to where He is.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not as useless and stupid as the OP, tell me the QUESTION he asked!

I can sense the pain this thread is causing you!

AkinwaleJJ:
Perhaps Mr Emusan don't remember what a question means!

I do tell you people that instead of arguing online you people should enroll in an English class.

Read my post again and apply your number 6 this time.

Meanwhile, do you agree with what he posted?

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of visiting people in their homes during rain and sunshine for them to see how strong the LOVE you have for God and neighbours like JWs, you this stupid idiot sit down in the corner of your single room apartment typing gibberish against the group that has won the heart of millions through works of faith!
Let's see whether James word at James 2:18-26 will make sense to you or not.
Foolish man like you, it's the works of your faith that every right thinking person wants to observe and not just your story story story. Everyone has his/her own kind of FAITH.
It's when the faith is productive that people can be moved to make decisions not when a useless idiot of no pedigree like you just start typing gibberish on social media, nah you dey feed them?

See frustration written all over your post!

Do you show this your frustration to the said neighbors you're meeting in door to door or you just pretend to be always cool wearing a fake smile even when a question like this was asked?

Is this the same way the fluctuating number 8.7millions JWs will respond, since one person representing the rest?

You need to learn from some of older Nairaland JWs like Jman05!

This is how extremists start.

Blabbermouth:
Check again, you didn't.

If you said so!

Blabbermouth:
Okay.
Bible verse please.

I gave it above!

Blabbermouth:
Everyone, including Christ and his 144,000 are returning to earth to live forever, right?

And you wrote "understood" below which means you didn't understand.

Christ isn't coming to earth!

Understood.

You didn't

What is the NEW HEAVEN and the NEW EARTH.

Na wa ooo...see question!

What will happen to the old heaven and the old earth?

Dissolve!

Is it a reformation or a recreation?

A NEW one!

Blabbermouth:
Afterwards, where do we all go to live forever?
(do include, where Jesus the Christ also go)

The new earth which is called New Yahrusalem!

Christ will hand over to his Father so that God may be ALL IN ALL

PHILLIPS: Nevertheless, when everything created has been made obedient to God, then shall the Son acknowledge himself subject to God the Father, who gave the Son power over all things. Thus, in the end, shall God be wholly and absolutely God. 1 Corin 15:28

Let me add Benson commentary so that you can grab the point:

Benson Commentary

1 Corinthians 15:28. When all things shall be subdued — Or, rather, subjected, (as υποταγη properly signifies,) unto him, and there is no longer need of a prophet to teach, nor of a priest to make atonement and intercede, nor of a king to deliver, protect, and govern under God, the Father will resume the government; and then, even the Son himself shall be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God — Or the Godhead; may be all in all — May be over all beings, in all places, and the immediate object of their worship and service. Or rather, may be all things in and to his intelligent creatures, saints, and angels, by a full communication of himself to them, and an intimate union with them.

Ehen?

I don't understand!

Jozzy4:
Stop telling lies, the word human is flesh and blood.

" He created them male and female, and he blessed them and called them “human.” Genesis 5:2

See the lying liar who keep jumping like kangaroo.

the only person appointed by God to judge is "A MAN.."

You can tear that from your lying translation out of frustration.

The worst is your man tag to Jesus carry the idea of a male human being, so it means there will be females as well . Genders In heaven

I know what you'll still come up with is that their must be sexual feelings in heaven, just wait and see.

Guy , you don't have any reasoning

And your sense isn't even there in the first place.

They also have flesh and bones like Christ.
So those of unbelievers is not glorious human body ?? Which body is it??

Their bodies is still flesh and blood, and won't be QUICKNEN which is the difference between unbelievers and believers because unbelievers don't have the Spirit of God in them.

ROMANS 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Different stupi.d theories from Emusan

When lying liar is put to shame, he gets confused!

Humans as male and females in heaven. You need prayers

He's coming with human will be having sex in heaven just wait and see.

Deluded JWs lying liar!

Jozzy4:
I thought anyone that is ressurected cannot be condemned? Rev 20:5,6 anyone having a part in first ressurection cannot be overpowered by second death.

Who said the @bolden?

That's why I always say you people lack simple comprehension!

Even despite the fact that I do capitalize the phrase "ALL BELIEVERS"

ALL BELIEVERS can't be AFFECTED by the second death says the Holy scripture Rev 2:11

You have said it's heaven, so definitely even evildoers will be in heaven.

Is it not heaven?

Tell us the location

Crack head!

Blabbermouth:
Emusan, and any other interested person - can you give me bible verses that expressly shows that man will live forever in heaven?

We are not going to LIVE FOREVER in heaven but be in heaven until the whole process of God's salvation has been accomplished.

There will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth! Says the Holy scripture.

Jozzy4:
Ignorance 2.3 version
So which ressurection do the unbeliever have ?

Delusion reloaded!

Resurrection! Which simply means raising FROM DEATH!

But unbelievers will be raised to condemnation while believers to life eternal...the eternal is the glorious body after that of Christ.

We can agree even Evildoers will be in heaven. Yes ?

"STAND BEFORE THE THRONE"

Tell us where the throne is located first!

Crack head!

Jozzy4:
If it not identity, a Man is flesh and blood by nature. Accepted?

Which is still corruptible but after resurrection with a glorified body. Man will still have flesh and bones as Jesus has.

So which ressurection will unbelievers have ?

Both unbelievers and believers will be resurrected back to human but the believers own will be regenerated by the spirit to conform with the glorious body of Christ.

Jozzy4:
Crack head , It's a case of identity not his nature if it's his nature , then he is a male human being with flesh and blood.

Identity indeed.....lying liar

There is one mediator between God and man, "THE MAN JESUS"

This is also identity because the deluded JWs want it to be.

Those called Humans are flesh and blood . Dummy , Check Genesis 5:2

But resurrection will change the immortal body to glorified bodies like that of Christ.

Ode osi

Jozzy4:
If all who rise were sinners, there would have been no need to open the books and search for names . Let me remind you

ALL BELIEVERS have the same type of Christ resurrection!

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Verse 15 said those whose names were not find in the book of life were Sentenced to second death.

"STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE"

So this is actually HEAVENN because there was no THRONE set up ON EARTH!

Now, it's getting interesting but you'll see how the deluded JWs will change mouth about throne!

This is a different ressurection . The first ressurection automatically make you in the book of life .


Don't forget this ones also ressurect ?
This is proof that it's a different ressurection. U can't be affected by second death if u are raised in the first ressurection.

ALL BELIEVERS are immune to second death according to Rev 2:11 unless you're not a victorious.

Jozzy4:
More cracks , You should not have tried to defend nonsense ... That Greek word identified a male human being. So it means Jesus apart from having flesh and blood, also possess male genitals.

Now, it's Greek turn

Dull head, he wants to start diverting attention to irrelevant things.

What does possessing male genitals has to do with this or what is the usefulness of male genitals at resurrection?

Maybe the next thing you'll tell us now is that Jesus must be having sexual feeling if He was still a man.

But Paul said it loud and clear "....THROUGH A MAN God has appointed..."

Crack head , When God have the name human,it was for flesh and blood beings. Genesis 5:2 is not in your Bible ?

Crack head

Then you don't know anything about resurrection go and learn more!

Jozzy4:
Barnes even said probably cos he knows na mumu explanation . no wonder Emusan didn't want to quote it himself.

You mean your demonic organization and you don't use the word PROBABLY!

Jozzy4:
Mr small brain , Anyone who experience first ressurection is automatically in the book of life . No second death can over power them.

Mr deluded JWs!

But all BELIEVERS NAMES are already in the book of life.

But we saw that the dead released from the Grave and the sea were checked in the book of life for names . This means they are not only sinners, righteous are among , and anyone whose name wasn't find get harmed by second death. This ressurection cannot be same as First, some of those who experience the second are harmed by second death . Cos once you experience the first , nobody can harm you.

These are the ones who be affected by the second death.

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Jozzy4:
He once mention that an angel also identify as Man. Despite he was a spirit.

Stop talking nonsense.

I was the one who countered that!

Here is what Apostle Paul said again Acts 17:31
"because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a MAN whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

This is after resurrection, liars!

To use that verse as proof, u must admit Jesus has blood like men. Cos that Greek word applies to people with flesh and blood

Crack head!

Glorified body is still Human but not with blood that's why flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God.