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livingchrist:
I thought you said all who are born of God are Spirit beings
So, all Christians are Spirit beings?
Yes without sin that position would have extended to us by birth right?
But now we have to be born again to access that position of being Son of God through Jesus right?
All those born of God are born by spirit because God is Spirit but those born by Adam is born by flesh,
Your organisation is fraud, it teaches that those born by flesh(Adam) are called sons of God, lie lie.

Let me show you how confused they are more!

Ask them, what does it mean to be BORN OF SPIRIT?

You'll hear to be Spirit Fill...

Then ask, what does it mean to be spirit filled:
You mean the spirit is inside the person or not?

They will never agree that there's a spirit INSIDE a person.

But you'll realize that their explanation is tending towards DISPLAYING THE FRUITS OF HOLY SPIRIT.

Then ask them, what is the evidence of being Spirit filled?

They will take you straight to Gal 5:22-23

Then ask them, is there any JWs who doesn't display the FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

They won't like to deny that no JWs who doesn't display the fruit of the Holy Spirit neither would they try to give straight answer because they know where you're already going.


Here is the confusion:
Some people will be resurrected to a spirit being because they were BORN OF SPIRIT (means they are Spirit fill i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

The rest of the people will be resurrected to flesh because they were BORN OF FLESH (even thou we didn't know THE FLESH WHO BORN THIS PEOPLE yet they are still SPIRIT FILL i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

livingchrist:
Are you aware that all Christians are born of the spirit?
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God is a spirit, right ? So every Christian is born of Spirit, does that mean that Christians are Spirit being?

Who is born of spirit is spirit....

And he agreed that God is that spirit

Who is born of flesh is flesh....

You should have asked him that:

Who is that FLESH that the people who will live forever on earth will be born from?

Maximus85:
How is this a lie sir. I'm stating authoritative FACT. We first need to determine what an argument is. I can't be giving you FACT backed up by the scripture and you call it an argument. If you have no backing to your points then who is the one arguing?

So what is an argument?

WHO DETERMINES the FACT you're given based on the scripture?

You know you're lying that's why you brought the issue of bringing out fact from the scripture.

Now, compare your previous statement "When we see that the conversation is turning to unnecessary arguments, we quietly walk away. with this "I can't be giving you FACT backed up by the scripture and you call it an argument."

The truth is, you know you people argue blindly because you're the one who brought up the issue of argument not me.

livingchrist:
If they paid for their sins with their death then, they do not need Christ death. How can Jesus ransome be in action when they already paid for their sins, lie lie barrister.

Imagine this interpretation

But the same people will still tell you that, Jehovah will not resurrect evil doers.

If by death everyone paid for their sin, we can then ask, why Jehovah won't resurrect some people then?

Lie,lie barrister, why did Jesus say men will give account on the day of judgment?

Lie, lie barrister if dead people sins are canceled,
Why did Jesus still talk of sodom and gomorrah partaking in the jugdment?


.Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Why did Jesus say it tyre and sidon will experience a greater jugdment on the judgment day than sodom and gomorrah? Since the people of tryre and sidon are dead, it means Jesus words are in vain right?

You are just a pathetic liar barrister


Lie lie, they wont be part of the 1000 years

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead will only lived after the 1000 years are over. Lie lie barrister

1000 years was not in their twisted Bible

so those Christian's that didnt resurrect with Spirit body, whose image did they bear?

Just watch, he will never answer this question.

Maximus85:
When it comes to preaching and teaching we are thoroughly trained. When we see that the conversation is turning to unnecessary arguments, we quietly walk away.
There will always be another day.

And the bolden is a false as your brothers have proved it wrong many times on this forum.

So stop lying.

Maximus85:
God's word the Bible is the only authority to preach. If you want to see us direct you to the Bible. Read the magazine.... It will lead you to hundred of scriptures.

My point still remain: The first direction you should have given is to the WORD OF GOD not word of men.

Concerning the Bible production.... It's not about competition. You can't serve God and see yourself competing with others. The race no get first or second. All of us will get to the finish line differently or together. So far we reach the final line.

But even your statement here shows the same tone of competition your organization involved in.

1. Number of Bible publication
2. Magazines MOST distributed.

That we produce more Bible and in hundreds of languages is a FACT. Or do want to object?

That is competition I'm talking about.

You produce Bible MORE THAN WHO?

1.Muslims
2. Hindus
3. Atheist

Just like saying Jehovah's Witnesses are the only religious group known to take the preaching work as first priority in the whole world, weather you agree with what they preach or not.... It's a FACT. You can't deny it.

Yet the others that don't take preaching work more than JWs have more members than you.

I know he will say number isn't relevant. Just watch!

Why is the Watchtower and Awake the first and second most distributes magazines in the world. It's a FACT.

So which one is the FIRST MOST DISTRUSTED MAGAZINE?

No competition.

But you just described your organization competitions here.

Janosky:
Is Mr LIENUS the owner of the holy spirit ?

Does Jehovah take orders from Mr LIENUS before his holy spirit is poured out on His Servants ?

Wetin concern Mr LIENUS with whom God choose to receive his holy spirit?

Continue to display your immaturity & be throwing childish tantrums upandan.

Mr LIENUS no get SENSE, confirmed.

See the escape route the JaNonsense took.

WHAT WAS MY CLAIM?

Mr No sense!

Janosky:
@1
PROOF JWs direct attention to the holy Bible.

The Billboard sign @ JW Headquarters says:
"Read God's word the Bible daily"

If you no like NWT, we use your KJV or any Bible you get.
Bros, Your claim is FALSE

What was my claim?

@2.
Acts 8:26-31 ,I quoted it to help you understand the broad perspective of the matter and I bolded Acts 8:30-31,Mr LIENUS dey launch childish insults to showcase his immaturity.


Acts 8:30-31
' 30Philip ran to the man, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet. Philip said, 'Do you understand what you are reading?' 31The man replied, 'How can I, unless someone explains it to me?' He implored Philip to come up and sit with him.”
(Acts 8:30-31, the Ethiopian lacked understanding & needed someone to explain the Scriptures to him.

The Point:
Our listeners need help to understand the Bible' like that Ethiopian. It's not enough to own a copy of the Bible.
Accurate knowledge and application of the Scriptures is necessary for salvation, John 17:3)

Mr Janosense!

The Holy spirit told Phillip what to do.

Is it Holy Spirit who told your brother to post on Nairaland?

Janosky:
The Billboard sign @ JW Headquarters says:
"Read God's word the Bible daily"
Bros, Your claim is FALSE.

If not because your brain is paining you...

What makes my claim false

I asked the op question NOT WT headquarter.

You've started with your delusion again.

See what lack of simple comprehension is doing to your life.

Acts 8:26-31

¶“26But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip. The angel said, 'Arise, and go southward along the road that goes from Jerusalem down to Gaza.' This area is deserted. 27But Philip arose and went. And behold, there was a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace, queen of the Ethiopians. He was responsible for all her treasure. He'd been to Jerusalem to worship. 28Now he was returning; seated in his chariot; reading the prophet Isaiah.” (Acts 8:26-28).

¶“29The Spirit told Philip, 'Go closer, and meet this chariot.' 30Philip ran to the man, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet. Philip said, 'Do you understand what you are reading?' 31The man replied, 'How can I, unless someone explains it to me?' He implored Philip to come up and sit with him.” (Acts 8:29-31).

JWs direct attention to the Bible and we go a step further offer a home Bible study with anyone who is interested.

But it was the Spirit who told Phillip what to do here, so why the comparison?

So Nairaland is people's HOME, thought it's a faceless forum

You must be in a wrong place.

We study the Bible with individuals,some of whom prefer to use only the Bible without any study material, we gladly accept.

Free of charge and & the convenience of the interested person (s). Matthew 24:14

My question to OP is, why YOU not direct people to God's word rather than men's word?

Your illiteracy is stinking.

Just see the way you're exposing your ignorance.

Maximus85:
OK, if you check the magazines. You will be directed to the Bible. At least the magazine will have a topic.... And in the articles, readers are always directed to the Bible. Sir, go and check.... No religious group produces the Bible more than Jehovah's Witnesses and do you want to talk about the number of languages that we print the Bible in?

Why YOU didn't direct people to God's word rather than men's word? is still my question.

You admitted Bible is the Word of God, so which is more important God's word or word of men?

@underlined see another self appraised statement, the mentality of being in competition with others when in reality nobody is in competition with their minute group.

Maximus85:
I will on respond to the last thing you said.
No book or magazine is above the Bible. I hope you understand. The Bible is the word of God. The magazines and books of Jehovah's Witnesses are extracts from the Bible.

And my unanswered question still remains, why can't you direct people to Bible which is the Word of God than magazines and books which are extracted by men from the Bible?

Maximus85:
Many today tired of the present situation of things in the world have been clamoring for change. But if we are looking for a perfect condition here on earth, do we expect it in the hands of imperfect humans who can't even direct their own steps?

But why is your organization investing in this present corrupt world government?

Human governments have been failing for centuries, it's time to look up to God for that change we all are yearning for.

because human itself is falling day by day

God has promised a better world a long time ago and his son Jesus Christ even taught us to pray for that kingdom that will usher in the new worlds to come.
Remember the lords prayer.. ".... Thy kingdom come, thy will be done here on earth as it has in heaven....

But from this prayer, it has been established that the WILL OF GOD in heaven has taken place.

Yes, God's will for the heaven is to make it clean and that was accomplished when Satan and his demons were sent out of the heaven.

Why is it that it's in 1914 this happened when from the Lord's prayer, the WILL OF GOD has already taken place?

God's will for the earth is also to destroy Satan, his demons and all those who have unrepentantly allowed themselves to be influence by Satan the devil.

If you truly follow that Lord's prayer, you'll see that Jesus isn't talking about the future event but present one because from the Lord's prayer we read "forgive us our trespass as we forgive those who trespasses against us"

Could this be the reason why your organization claimed somewhere that “God’s kingdom is here with you.” (Italics ours; Contemporary English Version ) “The Kingdom of God is among you.” ( New World Translation, footnote) The Kingdom of heaven was “with” or “among” the Pharisees, in that Jesus, the one designated by God to rule as King, was standing before them.​— Luke 1:​32, 33

I have a link to a magazine that tells you all you need to know about God's Kingdom.

Is the magazine above the Bible?

Does it make more sense to direct people to Bible than magazines?

Depsui:
Personally, i think no. A wrong prophecy does not necessarily mean that the prophet is false.
He might just have mistakenly listen to the voice of the flesh or the devil.

I believe that we can also apply this to our personal life. The fact that you've heard God speak to you doesn't mean that every voice you hear is from God.

There are four sources of thoughts
1. God
2. Your born again spirit
3. The devil or demons
4. Flesh or unrenewed mind

It is therefore important to always judge anything we hear in our mind with scriptures.

If the thought/voice glorifies self or is against the bible, it is not from God.

I'll still like to hear your thoughts about the issue

You're wrong on that.

Prophecy is foretelling certain events that will take place in the NAME OF GOD and directly from GOD.

So unless you agree that God can be wrong.

And if the person says, the message isn't from God but just a mere prediction then it wasn't a prophecy in the first place.

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. KJV

achorladey:
His opening words is something else and after looking at the words I can help but laugh at the TAUTOLOGY all in the name of TAGS and INSULTS on a thread that has no BEARING on his personality.

I'm telling you, so much for the fake self acclaimed the only follower of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
You're the most stupid idiot i've ever come across in my entire life!

[s]Jesus is just one Jewish carpenter in the first century in Judae , he establish a group through his unique teachings that's why observers in the first century could refer to those practically applying Jesus' teachings as Christians!
It's almost two thousand years now that Jesus ascended to heaven and today there are over 41,000 different religious groups all claiming followers of Jesus (meaning they're also practicing what Jesus laid down)
Your coming on a faceless social media like NL to mimick what's written in the Bible is stupidity because almost everyone has a personal copy of the Bible in their homes, and what you quoted is known globally.
What you're expected to do now is present the group that's practicing what Jesus laid down out of all the 41,000 different religions so followers on NL can know how to practice Christianity the right way, that's when you can truly prove to be helpful with your posts.
Any member of any group out of the 41,000 can equally quote the same verse, and what each of them meant in their minds totally differs! [/s]

This frustration of yours will soon send you to your untimely death.

Did anybody stop you to open your thread and post whatever you want to post about your group?

Did @Seun give you the license to tell anyone what to post or not?

Why this bitterness on a faceless forum as you claimed?

You must be really pained to the marrow....

DappaD:
Yes you are right. Jesus did make known the name of his Father while he was on earth. Check Mark 12:29-30 and see that it is a direct quote from Deuteronomy 6:4-5.

So it's by quoting Old Testament book it's what Jesus meant by manifesting the name of God

When the verse says "manifesting the name to the MEN YOU'VE GIVEN ME"

If this verse should mean Jesus used the name, then it should have better to be understood that Jesus TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES and no where we read that in the scripture.

So you see that Jesus indeed used his Father's name even though scribes and Jewish religious leaders tried to extinguish the name of Jehovah from the Scriptures.

Why didn't scribes and Jewish religious leaders accused Jesus of using the name, when they are looking for a way to make him a blasphemer?

Isn't that the best time for them to find serious allegation level against Jesus, since the pronunciation of the name has been forbidden?

Samunique:
It's very funny how you try to answer my question with questions .

Can you pls shed some light on the question if you have any .

Thanks !

The reason I did that was that, Jesus didn't use the name of God throughout His stay on earth.

Which then means Manifesting and Hallow God's name isn't the literal four Tetragrammaton Jesus was talking about in those verses.

Notice how some translations put that verse:

John 17:6
CEV: You have given me some followers from this world, and I have shown them what you are like. They were yours, but you gave them to me, and they have obeyed you.

EXB: “I ·showed what you are like [ revealed your name; God’s reputation/character] to ·those [ the people] you gave me from the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have ·obeyed your teaching [kept your word].

MSG: I spelled out your character in detail To the men and women you gave me.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible: Have manifested thy name - The word "name" here includes the attributes or character of God. Jesus had made known his character, his law, his will, his plan of mercy - or, in other words, he had revealed God to them. The word "name" is often used to designate the person, John 15:21; Matthew 10:22; Romans 2:24; 1 Timothy 6:1

On Matthew 6:9
Ellicott's commentary: Hallowed be thy name.—The first expression of thought in the pattern prayer is not the utterance of our wants and wishes, but that the Name of God—that which sums up all our thoughts of God—should be “hallowed,” be to us and all men as a consecrated name, not lightly used in trivial speech, or rash assertion, or bitterness of debate, but the object of awe and love and adoration. The words “Jehovah, hallowed be His name,” were familiar enough to all Israelites, and are found in many of their prayers, but here the position of the petition gives a new meaning to it, and makes it the key to all that follows.

Benson Commentary: Hallowed be thy name — The name of God is a Hebraism for God himself, his attributes, and his works. To sanctify a thing is to entertain the highest veneration for it, as true, and great, and good, and to manifest that veneration by our dispositions, words, and actions. Thus it is used 1 Peter 3:15; Isaiah 8:13.

Barne's Note on the Bible: Hallowed be thy name - The word "hallowed" means to render or pronounce holy. God's name is essentially holy; and the meaning of this petition is, "Let thy name be celebrated, venerated, and esteemed as holy everywhere, and receive from all people proper honor." It is thus the expression of a wish or desire, on the part of the worshipper, that the name of God, or that God himself, should be held everywhere in proper veneration.

And if you have any contrary opinion you can bring it forth.

Samunique:
@illicit

John 17:6
[6]I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

What can you say about the above scripture, where the Lord Jesus said He has manifested God's name, which name is He referring to here, since we cannot actually pronounce this name as it were?

Remember the same Jesus asks us to hallow God's name in the Lord's prayer.

Can you show us JUST ONE SINGLE PLACE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus make use of the NAME?

We can ask:

What does Manifestation mean?
What does HALLOW mean?

Janosky:

@1
Luke 19:11 (compare Luke24:21),
Peter and other disciples believe the erroneous teaching that the "kingdom of God would arrive IMMEDIATELY" and " Redeem Israel" from Roman Oppression because Jesus Christ always preach "Repent for the kingdom of God is @ hand.

Who taught this ERRONEOUS TEACHING that Kingdom of God would arrive IMMEDIATELY and REDEEM ISREAL from Roman oppression?

1. The Apostle
2. The Pharisees
3. Jesus Christ

Na them still write Luke24:21.19:11 & Acts1:6-7 put for your Bible, Mr LIENUS
Mr LIENUS, did Jesus Christ teach them he will Redeem Israel and the kingdom will arrive IMMEDIATELY ? (Acts1:6-7).

Which means, Bible is fallible and can't be trusted since it contains erroneous teachings.

*@[b]2
My Sister is very correct. Yes !
1 Corinthians13:12, Paul did not know everything even though God's holy spirit inspired him.
Still ,he wrote in Hebrews10:36-39 , that some fellow believers will "shrink back to destruction" and miss their heavenly reward.

Of course she must be correct because it's a case of blind supporting blind.

And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” 39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb 10:38-39

You're not among the righteous one (who will live in heaven) because you don't live by faith and you'll be DESTROYED because anyone who is not part of God's righteous one are ALL SHRINK BACK AND DESTROYED according to Heb 10:38-39

Does Paul not know EVERYTHING MEAN what Paul wrote CONTAIN ERRORS OR WRONG TEACHINGS?

That's the question your empty skull still trying to dodge.

Mr Janosense

Revelation 2:10 ,James 1:12 and 2 Peter 2:20-22, Jesus Christ, James and Peter says na so.
Endurance and faithfulness results in the crown of life.
Backslide and miss the reward.
Shikena !

Just like acholadey said my question is how come people are being resurrected to heaven when they err and wrong?

You can see that you didn't address my point but just beating around.

And what your sister said was that "If any anointed Christian who has been chosen for heavenly rule ERRED s/he will BE REPLACED even thou if the person REPENT, the person will only be given chance to live in paradise earth, NOT IN HEAVEN AGAIN."

Which is the reason for that my question!

That's contradictions....Confused JWs!

@3
Mr LIENUS, is Judas Iscariot in heaven?
Is Ananias and Saphira in heaven ?
Is Diotrephes,Hymaeneus & Alexander in heaven?

Those who shrink back are not part of God's righteous ones and will be DESTROYED (no earthly paradise for them according to Heb 10) as ALL GOD'S RIGHTEOUS ONES will reign with Christ.

Mr JaNosense

Another useless episode from deluded JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} who commissioned a preaching and teaching program {Matthew 28:19-20} before him God's holy spirit has not bestowed on anyone the gift of teaching {Ephesians 4:11} so neither Noah, Moses, David, Solomon or Jonah was a teacher, granted they were inspired to write or warn their contemporaries.

So do they give wrong warning or their writings contain errors?

The one and only person in the list that was tasked to teach is Peter, and according to God's word Peter failed woefully in this regard because he never set a fine example as a teacher who teaches by example.
Before he was anointed with God's holy spirit-
Peter display lack of faith that almost kill him, he cut off someone's ear whereas his master asked him to pray for his enemies, he betrayed Jesus three times and even swear never to have seen Jesus before.
After his anointing-
Peter shy away denying his fellow gentile Christian brothers because of the fear of Jewish Christians.
Talking about teaching Peter didn't set a fine example yet Jesus tasked him to feed his sheep {John 21:15-17 compare to Matthew 16:18-19; Luke 22:31-32} meaning that Jesus wasn't looking for a perfect teacher like himself because that's not possible, but at least a person must be willing to dedicate his time, effort and resources to what Jesus count as the most important work in the history of mankind.

Again, does Peter's writings and teachings contain errors and mistakes?

I can see how you deluded JWs are just changing the narrative.

Jesus didn't replace or demote Peter,

But your sister once said here that ANYBODY who fall out of God's moral standards won't be given a place to rule with Christ.

Now a partial Jesus didn't replace Peter but today many CHOSEN AND ANOINTED JWS can be replaced by the same Jesus if they made simple mistake like Peter did.

So much for the back and forth confusion doctrines.

he chose Paul as the thirteenth Apostle {Act 9:15} to TEACH where Peter failed to inculcate the right thing in the minds of the sheep! Galatians 2:11-14
That's why Paul was given the spirit of teaching because Peter didn't measure up, but Jesus still made Peter the mouthpiece amongst the Apostles! Act 2:14, 3:4, 12
You'll notice that Peter never wrote a gospel, neither did he address any specific congregation with a letter (to teach like Paul) but he remained the mouthpiece of the Apostles.

Does that make the writing of Peter to be fallible

So if the GB as an imperfect body of anointed Christians err in teaching and doctrine, it's in their midst that Jesus will use one or two persons to correct them.

But anybody who falls out of God's moral standards won't be qualified for heaven, how come people are being resurrected to heaven when they err and wrong?

What will show that they are for Jesus is not how perfect they're able to deliver the teachings and doctrines entrusted to them. But the outcome of their stewardship in the activities of those taking instructions from them! Matthew 7:16-18

Does their teachings and doctrines contains errors?

Why this simple question is so hard for you to answer?

That's why i keep asking anyone who feels like the GB is not qualified to represent Christ's chosen ones, "please present a better performing group of leaders and let's examine the outcome of their teachings in the lives and activities of those following them"

You'll keep asking because the people you're asking aren't in competition with you, it's only JWs that are in competition with other just continue to deceive themselves with over self righteousness.

Who are you to examine anyone? Are you God?

Very soon now, if you run out of your delusion you start with the phrase "stick to what you believe and I stick to what I believe"

Thanks and God bless you!

The same God bless you too

Janosky:
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16-17
The Bible reveals the errors and mistakes made by servants of Jehovah God, for our benefit.

Don't get it twisted, Bros.

You're still dancing around!

Does their TEACHINGS and WRITINGS contain ERRORS

Which then makes Bible to be uninspired and fallible.

Who is talking about their personal life

Janosky:
1 Timothy 4:16, NIV: "Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers." ..

Your teaching is not only what you say , also what you do, your way of life.

The answer to your question is "Yes !!!!"

Errors & mistakes full the life and teachings of all of them...

That means Bible is full of such errors and teachings.

Do you agree?

I know Mr JaNosense, will change tune now!

MaxInDHouse:
Being inspired is not a license to perfection!

Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Jonah, Peter and many other servants of God were inspired yet they were not perfect (infallible), the GB told the whole world that they're neither inspired nor infallible.

Then who says they are perfect

The point is: Do the teaching of Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Jonah, Peter and many others servants of God contain ERROR or WRONG DOCTRINES?

[s]They (as we believe) were appointed in 1919 to oversee the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned that was obstructed since the death of all the Apostles. And they're to continue feeding Jesus' sheep to make them progress and fruitful regarding the preaching and teaching program.

So when Jesus (as a spirit person) began dealing with them they were like little babies learning how to walk, and during those times of course they surely made many mistakes as imperfect humans dealing with an invisible spirit. But Jesus said that the end result will justify if they were truly working for and with him! Matthew 7:16-18

Today Jehovah's Witnesses have stood out with a great difference, the Organization where racism and politics is rendered powerless, the Organization globally known for zealous preaching and teaching program, the Organization that's orderly and all members have the same line of thought!

Well these might seem meaningless to some but to the over 8,700,000 people from different races under the heavens coming together to subject themselves to this GB it means a lot! Zechariah 8:23[/s]

Irrelevant!

God bless you!

The same God bless you...

Janosky:

It is on record that the JWs Governing Body are not perfect.. Even Paul himself..
Las Las.....

But they are inspired and Paul was inspired too!

So did Paul get any teaching wrong or not?


By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)

Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

If they're not perfect and can wrong in DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS, why do you always see their teachings as PERFECT?

Can you tell us some doctrinal teachings they got wrong?

Janosky:
Only Jehovah's servants chosen by Jehovah to be co-rulers with Jesus Christ will ascend to heaven.
1 Corinthians13:12 , Jehovah's servants do not know everything to it's minute details.

1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." NIV

How does this relate to my post

Mr JaNosense!

AkinwaleJJ:
They surely will, they only lost the privilege of being with Jesus in heaven when they fail. Those going to heaven have no second chance, failure to maintain the standard means they can now run for everlasting life on earth.
That's what Jesus told the sons of Zebedee, they both told Jesus they're up to the task, and they made it because they maintained those qualities without fail. The Christian disfellowshiped in Corinth over fornication might have been part of the anointed, but after his misdeed he can no longer be one of them yet by God's grace if he genuinely repented he will have everlasting, not in heaven anymore but here on earth!

But even your organization admitted that the early Bible students made mistakes as those of Apostles.

So which means going by your point, no one is in heaven with Christ since virtually NO HUMAN IS INFALLIBLE.

This is a statement from Watchtower "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26

Now do you think anyone among Jehovah witness since inception will be in heaven by now?

It is a contradiction to later claimed that people are already resurrected to heaven since 1914.

AkinwaleJJ:
NO!
It means Whoever failed among them to keep those qualities will loose his qualification of being part of the first resurrection, then such a person can continue his race for everlasting life in Paradise on earth!
Good evening sir!

You just proved my point that "It means THOSE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH can't remain loyal forever to Christ and God, and don't possess such attributes of Honesty, integrity and compassion ."

Good evening ma!

Blabbermouth:
I concur.

You concur to which one:

"1. That whatever happens between a man and a woman (married) behind closed doors is Holy so far they're both enjoying it."


2. That "I purposely told him in a chat that there are certain aspects of life on earth that those going to heaven will no more engage in that's all and ever"

For you to understand the second part very well read this article

You'll see Watchtower prescribing two different lifestyle for her members.

The most astonished point from the article is:

"Another requirement is that they conform to God’s moral standards and manifest such qualities as honesty, integrity, and compassion. ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ) They must also remain loyal to God and Christ till the end of their earthly course. ( Luke 22:28-30; 2 Timothy 2:12 ) Only by meeting those requirements can they show themselves worthy of being resurrected and qualified for the weighty responsibility awaiting them in heaven..."

It means those who will live forever on earth can't remain loyal forever to Christ and God, and don't possess such attributes of Honesty, integrity and compassion.

When the scripture says "Be ye perfect as your Father is perfect" and "Be ye Holy as I am Holy"

MaxInDHouse:
In as much as there are other commentators whose comments never formed one single line of thought and you singled my own, shows you genuinely cared for and take note of unique comments. So may God bless you for the interest shown for his name and righteousness!

No need of this Mumbo Jumbo!

God bless you richly.

According to Bible book of Colossians 1:15-16 God first created a mighty spirit creature known as the "first born" but then it's left to each scholar to find out who this first born is? In my own opinion i believe it's Michael who is referred to as the archangel or chief angel!

So how could you then say "God FIRST created many spirit lives?

That's an error, right?

The holy spirit wasn't created, it's God's active force as in the energy God emits to accomplish his purposes.

So Holy Spirit is ETERNAL, in simple word.

Now, if Holy Spirit is what God emits as a force, how could Christ control Him?

You means Christ has control over God

Jesus (Michael) don't have that type of force in him, he himself was an angel who must move to and fro in order to accomplish whatever he wish.

But the Holy Spirit was CALLED the Spirit of Christ.

Not different FORCES here but the same HOLY SPIRT said to be SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

But due to the power confined in him after his earthly assignment, God gave Jesus that power to also emit energy (force) without having to move up and down.

So God makes Christ to be ALL POWERFUL, that's nice!

But the point here is, Jesus Christ didn't emit any energy (force) but the Holy Spirit was CALLED His spirit.

Are they two different Holy Spirit?

That's why he could say "God will send the holy spirit in my name" {John 14:26}

But Christ says somewhere else that He will be the one who will send the Comforter.

How come Christ has power to send something that is absolutely part of God and belong to God?

Jesus could say this because the power belongs only to his father but God after his earthly assignment God gave Jesus the right to make use of that same force (energy).

Apostle Peter said in the old time, "the SPIRIT OF CHRIST in them (believers) spoke expressly"

Which means The Holy Spirit isn't something Christ has access to after His earthly mission but from time immemorial.

Tell us another lie, this is too cheap.

Due to problem in translation there could be little mix up but if you consider the same verse in other translations then you'll find out that the verse never said God's active force has a mind of its own!

And you can't name the Translation.

Can you provide at least 5 New Testament Translations apart from the one you provided above, so that we can cross check them?

Meanwhile, even the translation you quoted can't save you either because it says "it is PLEADING IN HARMONY with God..." It shows that verse proves Holy Spirit has the mind of His own because what doesn't have MIND can't be PLEADING IN HARMONY WITH GOD.

MaxInDHouse:
God is a spirit, he first created many spirit lifes lives in heaven, they are called angels (messengers).

Did God FIRST created many spirit lives in heaven or FIRST created Angel Michael?

As a spirit God sends out a form of force that he often use to accomplish his purposes, this is what is known as the holy spirit in the Bible,

So is Holy Spirit created or not created?

How come Jesus can also send this Spirit or the Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ?

unlike angels who have their own minds and can choose to obey or disobey God's orders, the holy spirit HAS NO MIND OF IT'S OWN.
It only does what God sent out to do!

@bolden and underlined

Is it that you just decided to lie against scripture or you didn't know that a verse like this; CEV: All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT, as the Spirit prays for God’s people. Rom 8:27 where it's boldly written that the Holy Spirit has A MIND or you just chose to be beclouded by Watchtower teaching?

AkinwaleJJ:
My goodness!
So he's indeed a northerner!
Now i see!
Please be careful with those you guys engage in debates, northerners often takes laws into their hands when they're frustrated.
Thank you, i'll ignore him henceforth!

That's the hypocrisy I do talk about, about JWs!

Let me add salt to this statement by inserting your organization name: "all JWs that live in the north, breaths their air, drinks their water, eat their food and surely must have been infected with their gas there as social distancing doesn't work well them there.
....continue to insult you just like any common mallam will do indiscriminately!"

This is a chaotic statement targeted at a specific group of tribe in Nigeria by one of your so called brother which you firmly agreed with but forgotten that there are many JWs in the north.

Just like I said, your frustration and pain just started.

AkinwaleJJ:
The bolded is where you're wrong. All of you are brothers since you agreed to discuss on Bible topics and engage in insults, when one man insulted another it's based on their approach and responds.

Don't be a coward, come out straight!

At @color, who are the ALL OF YOU?

1. Me and your JWs brothers
2. Me and other faithful Christians

That doesn't bring everyone around you into the game of insult simply because you feel they're on the same side.

I gave you hot because you watch your brother insulted another person which you supported by liking his post and even trying to justify the insulting statement only for you to come here and started pretending.

Hypocrite!

Why do we blame northeners for attacking people indiscriminately?
I once heard this people attacked schools of toddlers simply because they heard that southerners are fighting against their people!
I believe you're not a northerner so try to face whoever insults you, that's what makes you a real man!

Cry me a river!

Why do you derive joy when your brother are insulting people instead for you to rebuke them?

I heard Northerners do hail their brothers who attacked others for insulting their prophet and Allah...

You must be a Northerner.