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Barristter07:


Will John be in God's kingdom since even the least person in the place is greater than him.

You don't know nada , Kobo ... U need help

Where did Jesus say John will not be in the Kingdom of God?

Another erroneous interpretation.

Jesus didn't say John WILL NOT BE in the Kingdom of God but ANYONE WHO MAKES IT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD is greater than John.

Olodo....

Go for Bible study you no gree

By the way, no people will live forever on earth since FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit kingdom of God.

Barristter07:
Focus point 1: God's nature is Spirit . For anyone to have this nature, they can't be flesh and Bones. So stop making noise

Jesus has always existed in God's nature
He came to earth to add human nature setting example for what believers will have at the end.

Focus point 2: Jesus corulers will become SPIRIT beings, same nature as the heavenly one.

But they were BORN OF THE SPIRIT, who is that spirit?

And the people who will live forever on earth were BORN OF FLESH, who is that flesh!

Barristter07:
Let this scripture nail you


" I tell you," Jesus added, "John is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John." Luke 7:28 .

John won't be in God's kingdom ? Or these refer to heavenly life ??


Emusan , you need Bible study

1 Corinthians 15:50 My friends, I want you to know that our bodies of flesh and blood will decay. This means that they cannot share in God’s kingdom, which lasts forever."

Since earth is under God's kingdom, then no FLESH AND BLOOD will be there!

See how the deluded them are changing kingdom of God to HEAVENLY LIFE!

Barristter07:
It means believers body won't decay, any body that turn to dust needs to recreated. Besides Jesus human body is sustained by blood. U can't tell me it's still the same

Ode....if Jesus body wasn't resurrected won't it decay?

What is born of flesh is flesh .. born by humans, remain humans. Revelation 21:3,4 called them humans. Humans are creatures of flesh and blood.

See how your hypocritical mouth is exposed.

BORN OF HUMAN, REMAINS HUMANS but you still claim SOME HUMANS will suddenly become SPIRIT.

So who is this HUMAN that those FLESH AND BLOOD who will live forever on earth will be born from?

What is born of spirit is spirit ... This ones are going to heaven and will be Spirit's like Jesus Christ.

Now a HUMAN WHO REMAINS HUMAN will suddenly become SPIRIT, confused JWs.

That's even notice the point I'm diving at.

The pint is:

Who is this SPIRIT that these ONES born from?

He doesn't have God's nature . Good one

He has always existed in God's nature!

Barristter07:
Sorry ehn , I can feel your pain

As your severe pains l!

A case of identity NOT Nature.

Or you mean he doesn't have God's nature ? then I will take you serious

A case of HUMAN NATURE

He has always existed in God's nature!

Add that to your deluded brain.

All the while before that breaking of the bread, they are seeing Someone, but definitely not the Face they knew, just as Mary's case. Evidences of Materialization.

Yet the voice also wasn't known UNTIL HE BREAKS THE BREAD. Delusion!

So Jesus was borrowing voice too.

Barristter07:
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U dey mind am. Adam and Eve were not even flesh and blood when they were under God's rulership on Earth.

So Adam and Eve were spirits when they were on EARTH.....

JWs dilemma!

Me: Everybody will have Christ type of resurrection

Jws: No! That's not scriptural. Scripture says, some will become Spirit beings and rule with Christ and 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven", so some will be resurrected on earth with FLESH AND BLOOD.

Me: But earth is under of kingdom of heaven

Jws: Yes!

Me: But you just said above that FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit kingdom of heaven.

Jws: Yes! People will be resurrected on earth with flesh and blood.

Me: Then kingdom of heaven does not extend to earth then!

Barristter07:
" likeness " When God put dust of Adam together, it's called creation ... That's New body, not transformation.

THE LIKENESS is being MAN with a glorified body, not a spirit being.

So God destroyed Jesus body and he created another spirit being, as you doctrine.

You singlehandedly prove Jesus body wasn't transformed but another was given . Remember what apply to Jesus , apply to his disciples.

The body Jesus died with was raised to live. The same body not another.

Our decayed bodies will be raised to life and those who still alive will be transformed.

**The worst part is that They will be Spirit's (John 3:6 ) , showing Jesus is not flesh and bones

This is my post you're still dodging:

And born of FLESH WILL BECOME FLESH
So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

Case of identity NOT nature.

Case of proof by Jesus Himself.

"It is I Myself"

Barristter07:
Who ask you this ?

Your dull brain!

God's nature is Spirit. And Jesus isnt a Spirit. He is not in God's nature. Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones.

Case closed.

Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones from Jesus mouth Himself.

If it's the same appearance, she won't have problem identifying him before that call. The call refer to his manner of calling her name. , In another instance, they only recognize him BY HOW HE BROKE BREAD . Not appearance . Evidence of Materialization ...

" Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread." Luke 24:35

Another lie from the lying mouth.

Even the verse you quoted goes against you.

"How JESUS was recognized by them WHEN he broke the bread" not THE WAY HE BROKE THE BREAD

Shameless liar.

Mary didn't know who he was . Clearly not the Face he knew. A Gardener !!

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Why did Mary turn TWO TIMES?

MaxInDHouse:
Flesh and blood will not be part of the rulers but will surely be in Paradise (where citizens under the rulership of God's Kingdom lives) Luke 23:43

Deluded Maxmumu!

Keep changing the scripture at own peril!

This is what the scripture says "CEV: My friends, I want you to know that our bodies of flesh and blood will decay. This means that they cannot share in God’s kingdom, which lasts forever.

You agree that those who will live forever on earth will be FLESH AND BLOOD and earth will be under God's Kingdom. So there's no hope for you because you won't be part of God's kingdom.

Barristter07:
Romans 6:5 says in the likeness of Jesus ressurection.

The verse is very straight forward, in the LIKENESS OF JESUS RESURRECTION...that is ALL BELIEVERS WILL HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF RESURRECTION JESUS HAVE.

If Jesus body was transformed without decaying, Same would apply to them

Yes! at the resurrection get that into your dull skull.

But we see from the above ,you admitted they will get a new body , likewise Jesus too got a new body . Not transformed. Emphasis on likeness

THE DECAY BODY WILL BE PUT TOGETHER AND GLORIFIED for those who have died but for those who will be alive their body will PUT ON new glorified one.

So which Body would they have. Check the below

The glorified body like that of Christ.

Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones . So when it said what is born of spirit will become Spirit, those having the hope of ruling with Christ won't be flesh and bones

And born of FLESH WILL BECOME FLESH

So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

That's the question!

Na your wahala be that, what is clear is they will become spirit beings, same as Christ.

And Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones

Now it's my wahala but you're fuming in your mouth before.

But Christ claimed to have flesh and bones!

I'm still waiting for this question:

So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

Barristter07:
Going by the statement, A Spirit didn't have flesh and bones. It means Jesus is not SPIRIT by nature. The very nature of God, Spirit... Is non existent in Jesus. Jesus doesn't exist in God's nature. .
Like I said , clap for yourself

Olodo...how many times will someone knocked sense into your empty skull?

The divine nature of Christ takes abode in that FLESH!

Christ only set example of how believers resurrection will be like and at the end He will hand over everything back to God, so that God will be ALL IN ALL. Only if your wack mind can comprehend that point.

Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power....When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Going by her closeness with Jesus when he was alive , she won't ever assume such. She clearly saw a different person. Evidence of Materialization

If there's no distance between them and she wasn't crying.

By the way, you're still avoiding my point, why Mary didn't recognize Jesus at their first CONVERSATION until Jesus had to CALL HER?

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 15:50 is delusion to triune idol worshippers,Mr LIENUS

Mr No sense is here with is delusion as usual.

1 Cor15:47-50 "Flesh" is reference to human body/form.

"Born of flesh" in this context is a reference to sinful,carnal life condemned by God. Gal5:19-21. Gal5:6-7. Roman 8:6-8,13.

Every human being is BORN OF FLESH (through human copulation).

That's nice!

So BORN OF SPIRIT is what?

If BORN OF FLESH in this context means sinful, canal life, why do you think Jesus says WE MUST BE BORN OF THE SPIRIT IN OTHER TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD?

Also, you didn't address my question properly,

You are of the opinion that, BORN OF SPIRIT is Spirit which means those who will rule with Christ in heaven fit into that verse and this is to support your claim that Jesus' resurrection isn't BODILY because Jesus is a spirit and those who will rule with him are also resurrected (Born of Spirit) as a spirit!

So those who will live forever on earth ARE THEY BORN OF THE SPIRIT OR BORN OF FLESH?

You've proven that BORN OF FLESH IS SINFUL, CANAL LIFE.

Matthew 6:9-10, "thy kingdom come" (from heaven to earth) According to Jesus Christ and the holy Scripture, God's kingdom extends from heaven to earth.
Matthew 3:3,5. 2 Peter 3:13. Psalm 37:29 the righteous subjects of God's kingdom are not carnal minded, but practice righteousness , Galatians 5:22-24.

Of course, this is the true interpretation of that verse by your organization.

Now, how will people who are FLESH AND BLOOD live forever on earth under God's kingdom when 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "FLESH AND BLOOD will not be part of God's kingdom"?

Janosky:
Matthew 5:5 "spirits inheriting the earth forever" because 1Corinthians 15:50 Emusan wiped it out of his Bible

Deluded JWs has come, always saying senseless things!

The question I'm still waiting for the answer is:

Born of Spirit is Spirit

Born of Flesh is flesh

Who is the Spirit that'll born the ones to become spirit and who is the FLESH that'll born the ones becoming FLESH?

Add:

About that 1 Corin 15:50 the scripture says "Flesh and blood can't inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD"

Now the question is, does God's kingdom extend to earth or not?

Barristter07:
.At least he is not Divine , he doesn't have God's nature . Clap for yourself

Before becoming Human or after resurrection?

So how many human bodies that have been buried didn't rot ??

Paul body didn't rot too ??

Resurrection has not taken place Olodo....

It's at resurrection the decaying human body will be transformed which is what Christ possessed.

U claim it won't rot the went ahead to claim Dust will be glorified, dust means it's no longer existing, Just say u meant another body not transformation ....

Olodo buruku....

People who have died will be raised with a human glorified bodies at resurrection while people who are still alive THEIR BODY WILL BE TRANSFORMED immediately to the glorious body. THE SAME BODY AS HUMAN BUT NIW FUNCTIONING BEYOND JUST THIS DECAYING ONE.

Anyway you already admit the new body is a Spirit body, u are not just reasonable enough to know Spirit body is not physical.

The spirit body is still the one at resurrection get sense.

Those born of Spirit are Becoming Spirit beings.

Which means the SPIRIT is the one who will born them.

Then I asked, those who will live on earth with FLESH AND BONES, who will born them?

Why are u dodging that aspect ?

I asked you that question which you didn't answer

Those who will live forever on Earth are not born again. With the hope of becoming spirit beings

So who born them?

Since those born of spirit are spirit and those BORN OF FLESH ARE FLESH.

Who is the FLESH that provided their OWN FLESH?

First ressurection . Yeah they will become Spirit just as Christ.

Everybody will become Spirit like Christ then!

Barristter07:
Yeah that means he isn't Spirit being na, he doesn't have God's nature. clap for yourself.

Christ exists in God's nature before becoming man!

So now He is still a MAN in heaven setting example for the resurrected ones.

Did it say he didn't see clearly ? ...the verse said Mary SAW the person. It didn't say didn't see him clearly .

So seeing something but not clearly means the thing you SAW wasn't real....your brain is paining you.

U are a fraud, Crying doesn't stop you from seeing those close to you .

You're delusional!
Did I say crying can make you not to see those closing to you

Didn't know who he was ... that's too big . The one Mary saw has a different Face. She even concluded the stranger is a Gardener.

She assumed to be a GARDENER since it's not a place people come and celebrate all the time.

The question is, how does she know the person is a Gardner if the person is too close to her?

Also why didn't any of Jesus disciples ever raise the issue of Jesus appearing with different IMAGES/bodies?

Which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Why will Jesus lie to His disciples that He has flesh and bones when He was just a spirit?

These are the questions you won't attempt but dodging them.

Barristter07:
If Jesus statement refer to nature and not identification , like you opined. It means Jesus doesn't have God's nature. God by nature is a Spirit being.

Jesus statement at that time clearly show who He was: "for spirits don't have flesh and bones as you see me have"

I already told you the nature those born of spirit will have . Spirit beings

So who will born the people who will be resurrected on earth?

The case of Mary, you are just wasting your time , He clearly didn't know Who he was despite seeing the person. Not the face she was used to

After you've disgraced yourself of common fact about life.

A person crying can't see clearly
At 2km a human eyes can still see things.

Barristter07:
Exactly why he is not flesh. Flesh and bones are dust . Adam have them too.

You can see how your lying mouth is exposed now!

But you said that was before he comes to earth which is the reason verse 48 doesn't have the word MAN, so if Jesus is not flesh and bones and he was still called HEAVENLY MAN

You're confused, find somewhere to sit.

This transform thing always got me laughing to be transformed means their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus. Dust you are and to dust you shall return.

Now you've shot yourself in the legs.

@underlined is the actual point, their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus Christ.

Before resurrection the "Dust you are to dust you shall return" after resurrection "the Dust will be glorified" instead of weak it'll be strong, instead of rot it'll be immortal.

So it's still the same body.

So those bodies are not getting decayed ?? Or else this transformation thing is useless.

It won't decay like first again after being glorified.

Spirit body .. wow, now you got the point. A spirit body is not flesh and bones.

The resurrection body of human is still in flesh and bones.

If what is born of Spirit is Spirit.... Co rulers with Jesus whom are born again, will become Spirit beings just like him.

So what will BORN THE PEOPLE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

Don't dodge this question!

Like the heavenly one , so are those who are heavenly .

Finally.

Romans 6:5 we have the same death as that of Christ so we'll have the same resurrection as He is.

Barristter07:
Spirit does not have flesh. So if Jesus is flesh and bones truly by nature. He is not having God's nature.

Now you will know the true meaning of It's an identification not nature.

Jesus is still in glorified body of human nature which is the nature every one will possess at resurrection. This is the example that Christ sets forth for the hope of resurrection.

See where lies led you, see the various lies you are spitting cos you are already caged. To defend a lie, more lies are truly needed.

Stop giving your name to another person.

You're a liar here!

Mary SAW the person ... But didn't know who he was.]/quote]

Another delusion!

Even at 2km, human eyes can still see things and people.

[quote]That alone kill all your ideas. What Mary saw is not the body he always know. He was totally ignorant until He said "Mary " . Was he blind all this while ?? See ehn, stop mocking yourself

Yet Mary couldn't recognize him when Jesus first spoke with her!

A person CRYING can be considered as blind that's why even Yoruba came with an adage which says "If a person is crying should be able to see"

Of course, the person crying can see before but with much water in the eyes the vision won't clear very well.

Another pin on your balloon is that VOICE is part of individuals BODY SYSTEM.

So for Jesus' voice to remain the same means it was the same BODY the voice is coming from.

Or the voice was also borrowed?

Barristter07:
"from heaven " ... Referring to when he came as a man. Doesn't in anyway said he is still one

See lie!

Let's look at the verse closely by your understanding

"The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

We can see the comparison BTW the two

"MADE OF DUST..."
So you agree that the SECOND MAN wasn't MADE OF DUST?

Physical bodies are not beautiful and strong, do you know how many people were called beautiful or strong in the Bible ?? Very weak

Spiritual is not physical ...

Who says the physical bodies are BEAUTIFUL AND STRONG?

Verse 43 is still there for you to restle with.

It is the PHYSICAL BODY that will be CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BODY which means EMPOWERED by the Spirit to be beautiful and strong.

That which is spiritual is in opposition to physical... Not the same . But opposite

Sure! That's why the physical body will be TRANSFORMED TO THAT SPIRIT BODY

You are still claiming Jesus was ressurected as a physical person as long as you claim flesh and bones, this are physical . That's not what the scripture says.

Jesus resurrected with a GLORIFIED BODY

So are you saying people who Jehovah will resurrected on earth will not have PHYSICAL BODIES BUY SPIRITUAL BODIES?

Now if flesh and bones are physical, does that mean it will weak, ugly and decay after resurrection?

You must shot yourself in the foot today!

First ressurection precisely, they will become Spirit beings. Just like Jesus.

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for all believers!

If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection." Romans 6:5 NWT

What is born of spirit is what ?

yeye dey smell

Is spirit and what is born of the flesh is flesh!

What is your point?

Barristter07:
What is God's nature ? Flesh or Spirit . To take Jesus words to his apostles literally is to cancel out Jesus having divine nature.

God is a spirit!

Jesus proved beyond doubt that HE HAS A FLESH AND BONES which you agree with but said it's just a MATERIALIZED BODY.

So Jesus resurrected with a BODY.

It's simply a case of identification not nature.

Not IDENTIFICATION BUT THE VERY PERSON JESUS WAS!

Scripture says "37 They were frightened and terrified because they thought they were seeing a ghost." Why would Jesus lie that He isn't a ghost?

Since that is what the disciples THOUGHT appeared to them.

Back to the issue of Mary

Lie 1: Mary cried that's why she couldn't see Jesus , U don't have any shame, no mater how small.

Lie 2: one can presume there is a wide distance between them ?

You're still confused!

Mary was crying is a fact from the scripture

Jesus called her name is also a fact from the scripture.

So Mary couldn't even recognize Jesus even by their conversation UNTIL JESUS mentioned her name!

This is a sign that there's a distance inbtw them.

Where did you read that, wide distance, yet they can hear each other audibly as they spoke.

What is wide distance to you?

So people at 50m apart can't hear themselves audibly when talking, O ma se oooo!

The point I'm making here is that, Mary was crying at that time and Jesus called her name!

Another possible of not close is when Mary wanted to touch Jesus and Jesus told her not to do so! If Mary was very close to Jesus, she would have grabbed Him immediately but Jesus could have seen her running towards where He was.

Stop mocking yourself on this thread u this man

Stop disgracing yourself by simply apply for English class.

Again think about that verse , it says *She didn't know who he was* ... Its too big a word, Jesus materialized . Not the appearance she know.

because she was CRYING and there must have been a distance between them. Didn't Jesus first talk to her?

Why she didn't recognize Jesus at that first conversation?

Barristter07:
There is a reason why others didn't put the word " man" . It doesn't exist in the text . Fraud#

This is verse 47 "The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

So the SECOND MAN is HEAVENLY

Meanwhile you are not making any distinction, it's still the same earthly body of flesh and bones from the first man Adam you are calling Heavenly body . Are this confused?

Verse 43 "These ugly and weak bodies will become beautiful and strong."

Here it is the same PHYSICAL BODY that will become SPIRITUAL BODY

For the records, those who will rule with Christ will become Spirit beings. ( John 3:6 what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT )

Now that we agree Jesus and those going to heaven will have same body. It's now obvious Christ is a Spirit being.

Every believers will have the same RESURRECTION as that of Christ! That's the truth from the scripture!

Barristter07:
" This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION. " - Emusan

Good. We will need the above.

Lying liar, you have started injecting your dubious lie into my post!

Jesus was raised a Spiritual body , say the scriptures ... It was sown a physical body and raised as Spiritual body.

Spiritual body IS NOT physical. To wrong your idea of glorified body.

This is how your favorite translation puts 1 Corin 15:42 -44 42 That’s how it will be when our bodies are raised to life. These bodies will die, but the bodies that are raised will live forever. 43 These ugly and weak bodies will become beautiful and strong. 44 As surely as there are physical bodies, there are spiritual bodies. And our physical bodies will be changed into spiritual bodies.

Verse 43 points to the very BODIES which is the one that'll be changed to SPIRITUAL BODIES with beautiful and strong.

Your lack of scriptural understanding makes you think the spiritual bodies isn't visible and contains flesh and bones.

" This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION." - Emusan

That's how he appeared at that moment.

I know you'll come with this twist!

Jesus case is about WHO HE WAS and FORM (NATURE)

The disciple THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN A GHOST (that is spirit)

Which Jesus cleared that HE WASN'T A SPIRIT BUT THE VERY PERSON HE WAS when He was with them.

"IT IS REALLY I MYSELF......for spirits don't have flesh and bones as you see THAT I HAVE"

This is clear enough for a sound mind unless brainwashed JWs.

You must be kidding ?

" Everyone on earth has a body like the body of the one who was made from the dust of the earth. And everyone in heaven has a body like the body of the one who came from heaven." CEV 1Cor 15:48

Body of earth differs from the body In heaven, So God and his angels are made of Flesh nd bonez ?


Na earthly body he has ??

Olodo....

"AND EVERYONE IN HEAVEN...." is a wrong application by you not the translators that's why I quoted other translations to show you that, that verse is addressing PEOPLE WHO WILL BE RESURRECTED not the WHOLE OF HEAVENLY HOSTS.

By the way, you abandoned your demonic translation NWT now by cling with CEV when it suits you but do you agree with CEV in John 1:1? Hypocrite!

Oga, just accept it means Jesus have no divine nature . Since he isn't a spirit being.

Jesus always has His Divine nature intact even when He was on earth.

Use angels as a case study.

Isn't the materialized body FLESHLY?

Jesus kept sacrificing different bodies

Oga Ade!

Emusan ooooo hahahahaha

Read the underlined . So crying means she is blind . It says She saw the person, but Did know who he was ... So in a matter of 3 days, she forget Jesus looks ??

He was clearly not the Face she was used to. Prove of Materialization .


You this bonafide liar claim person no go recognize his close family to the extent it wi be recorded that " DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS "

Now you've brought the FACE again when it wasn't written in the scripture.

When Jesus talked to her "Jesus asked her, “Why are you crying? Who are you looking for?” why didn't she recognize Him not until Jesus CALLED HER?

One can infer from this scripture that there's actually a wide distance between them, that's why the scripture recorded that Mary TURNED TWICE!

She first turned to see Jesus who didn't she recognized and turned again when Jesus called her.

Just as the angel statement wasn't about Nature but identification at the moment, Jesus statement too was about identification . Not his Nature.


Gracias!

Jesus case was about who HE WAS because the disciples THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN A SPIRIT (as spirits don't have flesh and bones).

If the thought of the disciples was not recorded, then your assertion can be correct but alas it was that very wrong THOUGHT that "they have seen a Spirit" that Jesus corrected to clear that what stand in front of them ISN'T A SPIRIT BUT THE VERY PERSON THEY KNOW.

Why would Jesus clear their THOUGHT of seeing a SPIRIT if Jesus was actually a SPIRIT?

MaxInDHouse:
God's word said humans and animals all have the same spirit as in what energises them to keep living {Ecclesiastes 3:19} so going by the highlighted, do animals possess glorified bodies too?

Olodo second....

You See GLORIFIED BODY, which is a body after resurrection!

Will animals be resurrected

Go for Bible study!

Barristter07:
Spirit's don't have flesh . Jesus was right. God the Father and the Angels are all spirit's , and they do not possess flesh and bones. This doesn't however make Jesus flesh and bones.

Jesus has a glorified BODY that's why he can still be called MAN in heaven now.

You know spirits don't have FLESH and you said Jesus wasn't deceiving His disciples by saying "...ghosts have no flesh and bones AS YOU SEE THAT I HAVE"

Why would Jesus make such statement if He was truly a SPIRIT without Flesh and Bones?

Reason is Jesus have the same body as those who are heavenly (1 Cor 15:48 )

I just thrashed that above, for you even to claim that verse is for all HEAVENLY HOSTS shows how shallow your understanding of the scripture is.

Flesh and bones is DUST.

And Jesus claimed to have it after resurrection!

your Ultimate misread from the verse would mean Jesus isn't even a Spirit being. Since you wanted to misinterpret his words. Which is a pure lie. He is a Spirit being, a fleshly human can't walk through walls.

Olodo...a glorified body is energized by the Spirit

But you said Jesus materializing is FLESHLY, confused JWs!

And I can see how you keep dodging my question:
How many sacrifices did Jesus make since He kept using different bodies?

Another prove for his Materialization is found in the Fact That Mary mistook him for a Gardener . Which means his appearance changed. What she recognized was the manner of speaking

Now, you've deviated from Mary not recognizing HIS FACE which you can't provide scripture for to mistook Him.

Mary was CRYING, have you seen people crying and see normally?

Another lie, not manner of speaking, Jesus converses with Mary without her knowing UNTIL JESUS CALLED Her like He did at the grave of Lazarus!

"As soon as Mary said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there. But she did not know who he was. Jesus asked her, “Why are you crying? Who are you looking for?”

She thought he was the gardener and said, “Sir, if you have taken his body away, please tell me, so I can go and get him.”

Then Jesus said to her, “Mary!”
She turned and said to him, “Rabboni.” The Aramaic word “Rabboni” means “Teacher.” John 20:14-16 CEV

You said I should show you where a spirit claimed to be a Man ?

Judges 13:11
Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the man who talked to my wife?" "I am," he said.

In short the angel claimed to be an human of flesh and bones here. Was he lying ? yeye dey smell

I didn't see where Angel made a claim of being HUMAN OF FLESH AND BONES here.

"6 The woman ran and told her husband, “A man of God appeared to me! He looked like one of God’s angels, terrifying to see. I didn’t ask where he was from, and he didn’t tell me his name... God answered Manoah’s prayer, and the angel of God appeared once again to his wife as she was sitting in the field. But her husband, Manoah, was not with her. 10 So she quickly ran and told her husband, “The man who appeared to me the other day is here again!” 11 Manoah ran back with his wife and asked, “Are you the man who spoke to my wife the other day?” “Yes,” he replied, “I am.”

We can see how the writer switches from the real identity of the person to Manoah's wife experience.

It was what the woman narrated to her husband that the husband based his question upon.

Lemme break it down:

Wife = I saw a MAN of God who appeared to me, he looked like one of God's angels

Writer = God answered Manoah's prayer and the ANGEL OF GOD...

Wife = she told her husband THE MAN who appeared to me

Husband = Are you THE MAN?

Angel = Yes I am

So are you expecting the Angel to say "NO I'M NOT THE MAN" The question isn't about NATURE but IDENTITY.

Do you think the Angel would have denied his nature if the question comes this way: Are you A MAN or An Angel?

The same thing happened in Genesis at the narration of the fall of Man.

When God questioned Adam, Adam pointed to his wife, His wife pointed to The Serpent.

Despite the fact that God knows the Serpent was Lucifer/Devil, God didn't address the Serpent as Lucifer/Devil but addressed it the way the WOMAN identified it.

This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION.

You need Bible study!

Barristter07:
1Corinthians 15:48

" And everyone in heaven has a body like the body of the one who came from heaven. " CEV

According to this, Everyone in heaven. Including God himself as the same body as Jesus.

Does God and the angels have flesh ??

"In the beginning was the one, who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God." CEV

If you agree with the translation above you should agree with that John 1:1 from the same CEV but I bet you won't because of your hypocrisy!

This is the same verse from other translations

NIV
As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.

NKJV
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.

NLV
All men of the earth are made like Adam. But those who belong to Christ will have a body like the body of Christ Who came from heaven.

NLT
Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man.

VOICE
The earth man shares his earth nature with all those made of earth; likewise the heavenly man shares His heavenly nature with all those made of heaven.

One thing in common with all these translations is that they all used the term "Heavenly MAN" which means this verse isn't about the HEAVENLY HOSTS but people who will be like CHRIST Himself; the heavenly MAN!

Barristter07:
What I can deduce here is you are against the materialized body , and you ignorantly assume it implies Jesus deceived or lied to his apostles.

Here is Jesus very own word "Look at my hands and feet— IT IS REALLY I MYSELF! Feel me and see; ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can see that I have.”

I don't know how hard it is for you people to comprehend simple English.

Call any primary school pupil in your area and ask him/her to read this verse and then ask him/her what does s/he understand from it.

How can Jesus openly said "IT IS REALLY I MYSELF" after He asked them to LOOK at His Hands and Feet that ghosts don't have FLESH or BONES as they see Him have, not a deception if Christ didn't resurrect bodily?

Can you provide scholars interpretation of this verse apart from watchtower interpretation?

For the records, Mary didn't recognize him at first . this can never happen if The Face she saw was the one she always knew

Show us from the scripture that it was Christ's FACE Mary saw...

Even Mary herself is looking for THE BODY of Jesus not a ghost and after Jesus called her, she went to report to the disciples that she has seen the Lord.

Clearly he materialized, and for the statement to the disciples saying he is flesh,

So Jesus kept sacrificing different bodies.

You didn't answer my questions:

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Do they recognize Him that time?

If Jesus had appeared to them with different BODIES, how are they sure is the real Jesus who ascended to heaven in their presence?

it's not unusual usual for a materialized spirit to claim to be a MAN. Would you say an angel that claimed to be a man lied ? If no, apply the same sense here.

@S - you don't use two negative words in a sentence, no wonder simple English is so hard for you to understand.

Can you provide where Angel claimed to be a MAN?

Though I've thrashed that before but provide it and let people see the verse, so that we can compare it with Jesus own statement that "IT IS REALLY I MYSELF"

In fact, the most clear statement is Jesus debunking the thought of being a SPIRIT when He said "...ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can SEE THAT I HAVE"

Very awkward and irrational doctrine!

DappaD:
The Bible’s answerThe Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”​—1 Peter 3:​18; Acts 13:34; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 5:​16.

Yet Apostle Paul could say: "There is one mediator between God and man, The MAN Jesus Christ..."

Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:​51; Matthew 20:28)

The @underlined shows your lack of understanding of what you're saying!

You intentionally added "BLOOD" to it, whereas you did that to explain away the FLESHY BODY that other spirit beings had appeared with.

Hypocrite!

If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice.

The point here is, if Jesus keeps appearing with many fleshy bodies means He keeps sacrificing different bodies because you have to explain what happened to those bodies Jesus keeps using.

This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”—Hebrews 9:​11, 12.

This is the reason I said, this doctrine is awkward because if Jesus sacrificed his flesh "ONCE for all time" and you went ahead to claim He keeps appearing in different BODIES, then how many sacrifices did Jesus do?

If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?

• Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​—Judges 13:15-​21.

Spirit creatures can take on human form but no spirit creatures have ever made a statement like PHILLIPS
“Why are you so worried?” said Jesus, “and why do doubts arise in your minds? Look at my hands and feet—it is really I myself! Feel me and see; ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can see that I have.”

This is the most easy and simple verse that even a primary school pupils won't struggle to comprehend but since the 8 men in USA must be defended by their followers, what do you expect?

The day JWs will open their mind to understand this single verse is the day they'll be set free from the shackle of the lying organization.

• After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26)

So Jesus kept sacrificing different human bodies.

The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next.

Lies, provide the verse where it is stated that people couldn't identify the FLESHY BODIES?

Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.​—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-​16; 21:​6, 7.

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Do they recognize Him that time?

If Jesus had appeared to them with different BODIES, how are they sure is the real Jesus who ascended to heaven in their presence?

• When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.​—John 20:24-​29.

Liars will never say the truth!

You don't want to say, Jesus appeared to Thomas with the REAL BODY because that'll amount to Jesus picked His real body back and you've already said that can't happen.

Now, Jesus had to appear to Thomas with a WOUNDED MARK just to deceive Thomas and the rest of apostles.

Didn't this sound like a deceitful act to you?

When we even know the reason why Jesus had to do that is based on Thomas word himself "Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” John 20:24-25

The other disciples said "We have seen the Lord" and Thomas wants to see what the other disciples have seen by saying "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe"

The other disciples could have cleared Thomas expectations by simply say "Look the Lord didn't appear to us WITH HIS REAL BODY" but they never did.

Also, from this account, we can see that Thomas was anticipating for the REAL BODY of Christ not as spirit being, few days later the LORD cleared Thomas' doubt by appearing with His REAL BODY and even challenged Thomas to do as he had already claimed.

But instead, Thomas recognized this divine witness and made the most shocking statement "My Lord and my God!" The statement JWs are still struggling to understand.

Barristter07:
So how does it change the Fact that it's the voice of arch angel ?

So if to you "with a voice of archangel" makes Christ the Micheal, why "with trump of God" didn't make Christ God?

Didn't Christ Himself say, He will come with ALL HIS ANGELS, which Michael is part of?

Funny thing is, none of this happened in your failed prophecy of 1914

Your own Christ come without a shout, no voice of archangel nor Trump of God! Yet you still believe Christ has come.

Barristter07:
Yahweh granted Jesus his son, that ability . Agree ??

Your brain is still paining you!

Yahweh says "I YAHWEH, searches the minds and tests the hearts..."

Jesus Christ says "I AM THE ONE who searches the minds and tests the hearts..."

Does this statement look like someone claiming being granted ability or claiming to be the actual person

BlueAngel444:
the same one spoken of in Isaiah 11:3 he will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears.

the same one who in Revelation 2:27 calls God father. The son of the living God who died and rose again and is at the right hand of God the Father

The point you're still deviating from is: YAHWEH says in Jeremiah that He searches minds and tests the hearts

"I YAHWEH, searches the minds and tests the hearts...."

Jesus in revelation didn't quote that Jeremiah but specifically to be the very person "I AM THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart...

That's the point, but I know a brainwashed JWs won't see that!

Besides, you didn't answer your own question again, why?

At the angel of the Lord is called YAHWEH!

Barristter07:
O ma se o Yahweh get Father ?

Yes Ooo ma se fun ee oo
You people didn't address that verse but throwing tantrums.
Did YAHWEH say "I YAHWEH, searches mind and heart?
Did Jesus in Revelation say "I AM THE ONE searching mind and heart"?
Even primary school pupils will understand that simple English.

BlueAngel444:
lol, Na just simple straight forward questions o

God is not an author of confusion Na men dey cause am

But you didn't answer your own question, why?

"there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord YAHWEH Now I ask you who was that?"