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Barristter07:
If Jesus statement refer to nature and not identification , like you opined. It means Jesus doesn't have God's nature. God by nature is a Spirit being.

Jesus statement at that time clearly show who He was: "for spirits don't have flesh and bones as you see me have"

I already told you the nature those born of spirit will have . Spirit beings

So who will born the people who will be resurrected on earth?

The case of Mary, you are just wasting your time , He clearly didn't know Who he was despite seeing the person. Not the face she was used to

After you've disgraced yourself of common fact about life.

A person crying can't see clearly
At 2km a human eyes can still see things.

Barristter07:
Exactly why he is not flesh. Flesh and bones are dust . Adam have them too.

You can see how your lying mouth is exposed now!

But you said that was before he comes to earth which is the reason verse 48 doesn't have the word MAN, so if Jesus is not flesh and bones and he was still called HEAVENLY MAN

You're confused, find somewhere to sit.

This transform thing always got me laughing to be transformed means their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus. Dust you are and to dust you shall return.

Now you've shot yourself in the legs.

@underlined is the actual point, their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus Christ.

Before resurrection the "Dust you are to dust you shall return" after resurrection "the Dust will be glorified" instead of weak it'll be strong, instead of rot it'll be immortal.

So it's still the same body.

So those bodies are not getting decayed ?? Or else this transformation thing is useless.

It won't decay like first again after being glorified.

Spirit body .. wow, now you got the point. A spirit body is not flesh and bones.

The resurrection body of human is still in flesh and bones.

If what is born of Spirit is Spirit.... Co rulers with Jesus whom are born again, will become Spirit beings just like him.

So what will BORN THE PEOPLE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

Don't dodge this question!

Like the heavenly one , so are those who are heavenly .

Finally.

Romans 6:5 we have the same death as that of Christ so we'll have the same resurrection as He is.

Barristter07:
Spirit does not have flesh. So if Jesus is flesh and bones truly by nature. He is not having God's nature.

Now you will know the true meaning of It's an identification not nature.

Jesus is still in glorified body of human nature which is the nature every one will possess at resurrection. This is the example that Christ sets forth for the hope of resurrection.

See where lies led you, see the various lies you are spitting cos you are already caged. To defend a lie, more lies are truly needed.

Stop giving your name to another person.

You're a liar here!

Mary SAW the person ... But didn't know who he was.]/quote]

Another delusion!

Even at 2km, human eyes can still see things and people.

[quote]That alone kill all your ideas. What Mary saw is not the body he always know. He was totally ignorant until He said "Mary " . Was he blind all this while ?? See ehn, stop mocking yourself

Yet Mary couldn't recognize him when Jesus first spoke with her!

A person CRYING can be considered as blind that's why even Yoruba came with an adage which says "If a person is crying should be able to see"

Of course, the person crying can see before but with much water in the eyes the vision won't clear very well.

Another pin on your balloon is that VOICE is part of individuals BODY SYSTEM.

So for Jesus' voice to remain the same means it was the same BODY the voice is coming from.

Or the voice was also borrowed?

Barristter07:
"from heaven " ... Referring to when he came as a man. Doesn't in anyway said he is still one

See lie!

Let's look at the verse closely by your understanding

"The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

We can see the comparison BTW the two

"MADE OF DUST..."
So you agree that the SECOND MAN wasn't MADE OF DUST?

Physical bodies are not beautiful and strong, do you know how many people were called beautiful or strong in the Bible ?? Very weak

Spiritual is not physical ...

Who says the physical bodies are BEAUTIFUL AND STRONG?

Verse 43 is still there for you to restle with.

It is the PHYSICAL BODY that will be CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BODY which means EMPOWERED by the Spirit to be beautiful and strong.

That which is spiritual is in opposition to physical... Not the same . But opposite

Sure! That's why the physical body will be TRANSFORMED TO THAT SPIRIT BODY

You are still claiming Jesus was ressurected as a physical person as long as you claim flesh and bones, this are physical . That's not what the scripture says.

Jesus resurrected with a GLORIFIED BODY

So are you saying people who Jehovah will resurrected on earth will not have PHYSICAL BODIES BUY SPIRITUAL BODIES?

Now if flesh and bones are physical, does that mean it will weak, ugly and decay after resurrection?

You must shot yourself in the foot today!

First ressurection precisely, they will become Spirit beings. Just like Jesus.

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for all believers!

If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection." Romans 6:5 NWT

What is born of spirit is what ?

yeye dey smell

Is spirit and what is born of the flesh is flesh!

What is your point?

Barristter07:
What is God's nature ? Flesh or Spirit . To take Jesus words to his apostles literally is to cancel out Jesus having divine nature.

God is a spirit!

Jesus proved beyond doubt that HE HAS A FLESH AND BONES which you agree with but said it's just a MATERIALIZED BODY.

So Jesus resurrected with a BODY.

It's simply a case of identification not nature.

Not IDENTIFICATION BUT THE VERY PERSON JESUS WAS!

Scripture says "37 They were frightened and terrified because they thought they were seeing a ghost." Why would Jesus lie that He isn't a ghost?

Since that is what the disciples THOUGHT appeared to them.

Back to the issue of Mary

Lie 1: Mary cried that's why she couldn't see Jesus , U don't have any shame, no mater how small.

Lie 2: one can presume there is a wide distance between them ?

You're still confused!

Mary was crying is a fact from the scripture

Jesus called her name is also a fact from the scripture.

So Mary couldn't even recognize Jesus even by their conversation UNTIL JESUS mentioned her name!

This is a sign that there's a distance inbtw them.

Where did you read that, wide distance, yet they can hear each other audibly as they spoke.

What is wide distance to you?

So people at 50m apart can't hear themselves audibly when talking, O ma se oooo!

The point I'm making here is that, Mary was crying at that time and Jesus called her name!

Another possible of not close is when Mary wanted to touch Jesus and Jesus told her not to do so! If Mary was very close to Jesus, she would have grabbed Him immediately but Jesus could have seen her running towards where He was.

Stop mocking yourself on this thread u this man

Stop disgracing yourself by simply apply for English class.

Again think about that verse , it says *She didn't know who he was* ... Its too big a word, Jesus materialized . Not the appearance she know.

because she was CRYING and there must have been a distance between them. Didn't Jesus first talk to her?

Why she didn't recognize Jesus at that first conversation?

Barristter07:
There is a reason why others didn't put the word " man" . It doesn't exist in the text . Fraud#

This is verse 47 "The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

So the SECOND MAN is HEAVENLY

Meanwhile you are not making any distinction, it's still the same earthly body of flesh and bones from the first man Adam you are calling Heavenly body . Are this confused?

Verse 43 "These ugly and weak bodies will become beautiful and strong."

Here it is the same PHYSICAL BODY that will become SPIRITUAL BODY

For the records, those who will rule with Christ will become Spirit beings. ( John 3:6 what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT )

Now that we agree Jesus and those going to heaven will have same body. It's now obvious Christ is a Spirit being.

Every believers will have the same RESURRECTION as that of Christ! That's the truth from the scripture!

Barristter07:
" This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION. " - Emusan

Good. We will need the above.

Lying liar, you have started injecting your dubious lie into my post!

Jesus was raised a Spiritual body , say the scriptures ... It was sown a physical body and raised as Spiritual body.

Spiritual body IS NOT physical. To wrong your idea of glorified body.

This is how your favorite translation puts 1 Corin 15:42 -44 42 That’s how it will be when our bodies are raised to life. These bodies will die, but the bodies that are raised will live forever. 43 These ugly and weak bodies will become beautiful and strong. 44 As surely as there are physical bodies, there are spiritual bodies. And our physical bodies will be changed into spiritual bodies.

Verse 43 points to the very BODIES which is the one that'll be changed to SPIRITUAL BODIES with beautiful and strong.

Your lack of scriptural understanding makes you think the spiritual bodies isn't visible and contains flesh and bones.

" This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION." - Emusan

That's how he appeared at that moment.

I know you'll come with this twist!

Jesus case is about WHO HE WAS and FORM (NATURE)

The disciple THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN A GHOST (that is spirit)

Which Jesus cleared that HE WASN'T A SPIRIT BUT THE VERY PERSON HE WAS when He was with them.

"IT IS REALLY I MYSELF......for spirits don't have flesh and bones as you see THAT I HAVE"

This is clear enough for a sound mind unless brainwashed JWs.

You must be kidding ?

" Everyone on earth has a body like the body of the one who was made from the dust of the earth. And everyone in heaven has a body like the body of the one who came from heaven." CEV 1Cor 15:48

Body of earth differs from the body In heaven, So God and his angels are made of Flesh nd bonez ?


Na earthly body he has ??

Olodo....

"AND EVERYONE IN HEAVEN...." is a wrong application by you not the translators that's why I quoted other translations to show you that, that verse is addressing PEOPLE WHO WILL BE RESURRECTED not the WHOLE OF HEAVENLY HOSTS.

By the way, you abandoned your demonic translation NWT now by cling with CEV when it suits you but do you agree with CEV in John 1:1? Hypocrite!

Oga, just accept it means Jesus have no divine nature . Since he isn't a spirit being.

Jesus always has His Divine nature intact even when He was on earth.

Use angels as a case study.

Isn't the materialized body FLESHLY?

Jesus kept sacrificing different bodies

Oga Ade!

Emusan ooooo hahahahaha

Read the underlined . So crying means she is blind . It says She saw the person, but Did know who he was ... So in a matter of 3 days, she forget Jesus looks ??

He was clearly not the Face she was used to. Prove of Materialization .


You this bonafide liar claim person no go recognize his close family to the extent it wi be recorded that " DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS "

Now you've brought the FACE again when it wasn't written in the scripture.

When Jesus talked to her "Jesus asked her, “Why are you crying? Who are you looking for?” why didn't she recognize Him not until Jesus CALLED HER?

One can infer from this scripture that there's actually a wide distance between them, that's why the scripture recorded that Mary TURNED TWICE!

She first turned to see Jesus who didn't she recognized and turned again when Jesus called her.

Just as the angel statement wasn't about Nature but identification at the moment, Jesus statement too was about identification . Not his Nature.


Gracias!

Jesus case was about who HE WAS because the disciples THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN A SPIRIT (as spirits don't have flesh and bones).

If the thought of the disciples was not recorded, then your assertion can be correct but alas it was that very wrong THOUGHT that "they have seen a Spirit" that Jesus corrected to clear that what stand in front of them ISN'T A SPIRIT BUT THE VERY PERSON THEY KNOW.

Why would Jesus clear their THOUGHT of seeing a SPIRIT if Jesus was actually a SPIRIT?

MaxInDHouse:
God's word said humans and animals all have the same spirit as in what energises them to keep living {Ecclesiastes 3:19} so going by the highlighted, do animals possess glorified bodies too?

Olodo second....

You See GLORIFIED BODY, which is a body after resurrection!

Will animals be resurrected

Go for Bible study!

Barristter07:
Spirit's don't have flesh . Jesus was right. God the Father and the Angels are all spirit's , and they do not possess flesh and bones. This doesn't however make Jesus flesh and bones.

Jesus has a glorified BODY that's why he can still be called MAN in heaven now.

You know spirits don't have FLESH and you said Jesus wasn't deceiving His disciples by saying "...ghosts have no flesh and bones AS YOU SEE THAT I HAVE"

Why would Jesus make such statement if He was truly a SPIRIT without Flesh and Bones?

Reason is Jesus have the same body as those who are heavenly (1 Cor 15:48 )

I just thrashed that above, for you even to claim that verse is for all HEAVENLY HOSTS shows how shallow your understanding of the scripture is.

Flesh and bones is DUST.

And Jesus claimed to have it after resurrection!

your Ultimate misread from the verse would mean Jesus isn't even a Spirit being. Since you wanted to misinterpret his words. Which is a pure lie. He is a Spirit being, a fleshly human can't walk through walls.

Olodo...a glorified body is energized by the Spirit

But you said Jesus materializing is FLESHLY, confused JWs!

And I can see how you keep dodging my question:
How many sacrifices did Jesus make since He kept using different bodies?

Another prove for his Materialization is found in the Fact That Mary mistook him for a Gardener . Which means his appearance changed. What she recognized was the manner of speaking

Now, you've deviated from Mary not recognizing HIS FACE which you can't provide scripture for to mistook Him.

Mary was CRYING, have you seen people crying and see normally?

Another lie, not manner of speaking, Jesus converses with Mary without her knowing UNTIL JESUS CALLED Her like He did at the grave of Lazarus!

"As soon as Mary said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there. But she did not know who he was. Jesus asked her, “Why are you crying? Who are you looking for?”

She thought he was the gardener and said, “Sir, if you have taken his body away, please tell me, so I can go and get him.”

Then Jesus said to her, “Mary!”
She turned and said to him, “Rabboni.” The Aramaic word “Rabboni” means “Teacher.” John 20:14-16 CEV

You said I should show you where a spirit claimed to be a Man ?

Judges 13:11
Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the man who talked to my wife?" "I am," he said.

In short the angel claimed to be an human of flesh and bones here. Was he lying ? yeye dey smell

I didn't see where Angel made a claim of being HUMAN OF FLESH AND BONES here.

"6 The woman ran and told her husband, “A man of God appeared to me! He looked like one of God’s angels, terrifying to see. I didn’t ask where he was from, and he didn’t tell me his name... God answered Manoah’s prayer, and the angel of God appeared once again to his wife as she was sitting in the field. But her husband, Manoah, was not with her. 10 So she quickly ran and told her husband, “The man who appeared to me the other day is here again!” 11 Manoah ran back with his wife and asked, “Are you the man who spoke to my wife the other day?” “Yes,” he replied, “I am.”

We can see how the writer switches from the real identity of the person to Manoah's wife experience.

It was what the woman narrated to her husband that the husband based his question upon.

Lemme break it down:

Wife = I saw a MAN of God who appeared to me, he looked like one of God's angels

Writer = God answered Manoah's prayer and the ANGEL OF GOD...

Wife = she told her husband THE MAN who appeared to me

Husband = Are you THE MAN?

Angel = Yes I am

So are you expecting the Angel to say "NO I'M NOT THE MAN" The question isn't about NATURE but IDENTITY.

Do you think the Angel would have denied his nature if the question comes this way: Are you A MAN or An Angel?

The same thing happened in Genesis at the narration of the fall of Man.

When God questioned Adam, Adam pointed to his wife, His wife pointed to The Serpent.

Despite the fact that God knows the Serpent was Lucifer/Devil, God didn't address the Serpent as Lucifer/Devil but addressed it the way the WOMAN identified it.

This is because It's not about NATURE but IDENTIFICATION.

You need Bible study!

Barristter07:
1Corinthians 15:48

" And everyone in heaven has a body like the body of the one who came from heaven. " CEV

According to this, Everyone in heaven. Including God himself as the same body as Jesus.

Does God and the angels have flesh ??

"In the beginning was the one, who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God." CEV

If you agree with the translation above you should agree with that John 1:1 from the same CEV but I bet you won't because of your hypocrisy!

This is the same verse from other translations

NIV
As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.

NKJV
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.

NLV
All men of the earth are made like Adam. But those who belong to Christ will have a body like the body of Christ Who came from heaven.

NLT
Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man.

VOICE
The earth man shares his earth nature with all those made of earth; likewise the heavenly man shares His heavenly nature with all those made of heaven.

One thing in common with all these translations is that they all used the term "Heavenly MAN" which means this verse isn't about the HEAVENLY HOSTS but people who will be like CHRIST Himself; the heavenly MAN!

Barristter07:
What I can deduce here is you are against the materialized body , and you ignorantly assume it implies Jesus deceived or lied to his apostles.

Here is Jesus very own word "Look at my hands and feet— IT IS REALLY I MYSELF! Feel me and see; ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can see that I have.”

I don't know how hard it is for you people to comprehend simple English.

Call any primary school pupil in your area and ask him/her to read this verse and then ask him/her what does s/he understand from it.

How can Jesus openly said "IT IS REALLY I MYSELF" after He asked them to LOOK at His Hands and Feet that ghosts don't have FLESH or BONES as they see Him have, not a deception if Christ didn't resurrect bodily?

Can you provide scholars interpretation of this verse apart from watchtower interpretation?

For the records, Mary didn't recognize him at first . this can never happen if The Face she saw was the one she always knew

Show us from the scripture that it was Christ's FACE Mary saw...

Even Mary herself is looking for THE BODY of Jesus not a ghost and after Jesus called her, she went to report to the disciples that she has seen the Lord.

Clearly he materialized, and for the statement to the disciples saying he is flesh,

So Jesus kept sacrificing different bodies.

You didn't answer my questions:

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Do they recognize Him that time?

If Jesus had appeared to them with different BODIES, how are they sure is the real Jesus who ascended to heaven in their presence?

it's not unusual usual for a materialized spirit to claim to be a MAN. Would you say an angel that claimed to be a man lied ? If no, apply the same sense here.

@S - you don't use two negative words in a sentence, no wonder simple English is so hard for you to understand.

Can you provide where Angel claimed to be a MAN?

Though I've thrashed that before but provide it and let people see the verse, so that we can compare it with Jesus own statement that "IT IS REALLY I MYSELF"

In fact, the most clear statement is Jesus debunking the thought of being a SPIRIT when He said "...ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can SEE THAT I HAVE"

Very awkward and irrational doctrine!

DappaD:
The Bible’s answerThe Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”​—1 Peter 3:​18; Acts 13:34; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 5:​16.

Yet Apostle Paul could say: "There is one mediator between God and man, The MAN Jesus Christ..."

Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:​51; Matthew 20:28)

The @underlined shows your lack of understanding of what you're saying!

You intentionally added "BLOOD" to it, whereas you did that to explain away the FLESHY BODY that other spirit beings had appeared with.

Hypocrite!

If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice.

The point here is, if Jesus keeps appearing with many fleshy bodies means He keeps sacrificing different bodies because you have to explain what happened to those bodies Jesus keeps using.

This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”—Hebrews 9:​11, 12.

This is the reason I said, this doctrine is awkward because if Jesus sacrificed his flesh "ONCE for all time" and you went ahead to claim He keeps appearing in different BODIES, then how many sacrifices did Jesus do?

If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?

• Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​—Judges 13:15-​21.

Spirit creatures can take on human form but no spirit creatures have ever made a statement like PHILLIPS
“Why are you so worried?” said Jesus, “and why do doubts arise in your minds? Look at my hands and feet—it is really I myself! Feel me and see; ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can see that I have.”

This is the most easy and simple verse that even a primary school pupils won't struggle to comprehend but since the 8 men in USA must be defended by their followers, what do you expect?

The day JWs will open their mind to understand this single verse is the day they'll be set free from the shackle of the lying organization.

• After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26)

So Jesus kept sacrificing different human bodies.

The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next.

Lies, provide the verse where it is stated that people couldn't identify the FLESHY BODIES?

Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.​—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-​16; 21:​6, 7.

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Do they recognize Him that time?

If Jesus had appeared to them with different BODIES, how are they sure is the real Jesus who ascended to heaven in their presence?

• When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.​—John 20:24-​29.

Liars will never say the truth!

You don't want to say, Jesus appeared to Thomas with the REAL BODY because that'll amount to Jesus picked His real body back and you've already said that can't happen.

Now, Jesus had to appear to Thomas with a WOUNDED MARK just to deceive Thomas and the rest of apostles.

Didn't this sound like a deceitful act to you?

When we even know the reason why Jesus had to do that is based on Thomas word himself "Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” John 20:24-25

The other disciples said "We have seen the Lord" and Thomas wants to see what the other disciples have seen by saying "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe"

The other disciples could have cleared Thomas expectations by simply say "Look the Lord didn't appear to us WITH HIS REAL BODY" but they never did.

Also, from this account, we can see that Thomas was anticipating for the REAL BODY of Christ not as spirit being, few days later the LORD cleared Thomas' doubt by appearing with His REAL BODY and even challenged Thomas to do as he had already claimed.

But instead, Thomas recognized this divine witness and made the most shocking statement "My Lord and my God!" The statement JWs are still struggling to understand.

Barristter07:
So how does it change the Fact that it's the voice of arch angel ?

So if to you "with a voice of archangel" makes Christ the Micheal, why "with trump of God" didn't make Christ God?

Didn't Christ Himself say, He will come with ALL HIS ANGELS, which Michael is part of?

Funny thing is, none of this happened in your failed prophecy of 1914

Your own Christ come without a shout, no voice of archangel nor Trump of God! Yet you still believe Christ has come.

Barristter07:
Yahweh granted Jesus his son, that ability . Agree ??

Your brain is still paining you!

Yahweh says "I YAHWEH, searches the minds and tests the hearts..."

Jesus Christ says "I AM THE ONE who searches the minds and tests the hearts..."

Does this statement look like someone claiming being granted ability or claiming to be the actual person

BlueAngel444:
the same one spoken of in Isaiah 11:3 he will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears.

the same one who in Revelation 2:27 calls God father. The son of the living God who died and rose again and is at the right hand of God the Father

The point you're still deviating from is: YAHWEH says in Jeremiah that He searches minds and tests the hearts

"I YAHWEH, searches the minds and tests the hearts...."

Jesus in revelation didn't quote that Jeremiah but specifically to be the very person "I AM THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart...

That's the point, but I know a brainwashed JWs won't see that!

Besides, you didn't answer your own question again, why?

At the angel of the Lord is called YAHWEH!

Barristter07:
O ma se o Yahweh get Father ?

Yes Ooo ma se fun ee oo
You people didn't address that verse but throwing tantrums.
Did YAHWEH say "I YAHWEH, searches mind and heart?
Did Jesus in Revelation say "I AM THE ONE searching mind and heart"?
Even primary school pupils will understand that simple English.

BlueAngel444:
lol, Na just simple straight forward questions o

God is not an author of confusion Na men dey cause am

But you didn't answer your own question, why?

"there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord YAHWEH Now I ask you who was that?"

BlueAngel444:
for one who claims not to be a hypocrite shouldn't you answer a question asked like one who should be upright. Go back and answer the question asked.

This is Jeremiah 17:10 "I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve."

So the person speaking in Revelation 2:23 who says "...Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done." is Yahweh!

Only if you can boldly tell us who made that statement in Revelation!

Barristter07:
Emusan casted ...

Olodo....
My answer to that is very simple and from the scripture!
The person who says "I AM THE ONE" is Yahweh

BlueAngel444:
it is not about shouting something is an error but actually showing the truth which reveals the error. The serpent also once said God lied.

there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord YAHWEH Now I ask you who was that?

Hypocrite!

Instead of you to use proper phrase!

BlueAngel444:
VERSE 27 Even as I received of my FATHER ?
Now I ask you who is YHVH is he the father or the son?

The person speaking "I AM THE ONE" is YAHWEH!

Acehart:
Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

The real power is Christ’s authority to forgive sins, demonstrated by His sacrifice, by submission to Roman punishment, and His victory over death. Angels accomplish what humans imagined Christ would do — defeat armies — while only Christ could surpass the limits of human imagination and desire by accomplishing victory over what matters most — separation from God because of our sin.

Who Is the Archangel Michael to Us?
There really are angels; Scripture points to their existence too often to deny that God made them, and they serve a purpose in God’s kingdom. Angels are “mighty ones” who work for God (Psalm 103:20) using His authority and the power He gave them to fight Satan. We see that in the verses cited above. Wayne Grudem tells us that angels deliver messages, “carry out some of God’s judgments,” act as an “example” to us in their worship of and obedience to God, and “patrol the earth as God’s representatives.” They act on behalf of God’s people as per God’s command.

This should create a sense of wonder; that there are angels around us doing God’s will, invisible to humans. Elisha and his servant were surrounded by the force of Syria, and Elisha’s servant was terrified. “Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Kings 6:16). Elisha could see what was invisible to most people: God’s forces at work on behalf of His people. Angels are at work around us, and it is tempting to become more enthralled with these beautiful, mighty creatures than with the Son of God.

Even as he fights Satan during the end times, however, the Archangel Michael will not be as powerful as the Messiah. We see Michael as a sword-carrying warrior against demons, but the blade we are most concerned with as Christians is the sword of the Word, an essential piece of the “full armor of God” (Ephesians 6).

What Does This Mean?
One must not worship anyone other than the Lord for, as John Gilhooly reminds us, “to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (Hebrews 1:5). “It is bad doctrine that makes creatures secure by creatures.” The Bible repeatedly “promises the very presence of God by the Spirit through faith. We ought to take comfort in the eternal God and his everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27), not the arms of angels.”

-Candice Lucey (2020)

A good Bible student who reads his/her Bible will know Michael can never be equate with Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Especially when considering some Bible passages like:

Jeremiah 17:10
I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve. - HCSB

I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. - LEB

I, Yahweh, search minds and test hearts. I will reward each person for what he has done. I will reward him for the results of his actions. - NOG

Yahweh said He is THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart

Then hear what The Risen Lord, Jesus Christ says

Revelation 2:23
I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. - HCSB

And I will kill her children with deadly disease, and all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. - LEB

I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done. - NOG

I AM THE ONE used here means Jesus refers to Himself as YAHWEH of Jeremiah we read above!

Barristter07:
Good.

You cropped that part out of my post and said "GOOD" when the OP had proved beyond reasonable doubt how the elders condole CSA

"In Australia, about 1600 cases involving about 1006 abusers, not 1 reported to the authorities. Not 1. How else do you support abuser more than that?"

DappaD:
[s]Okay so I won't keep replying to you anymore.
Have fun with your scavenger hunt.[/s]

This is for you

Now, since you agreed that WTBTS applied for the usage of the UN library, it's you who need to provide the APPLICATION WTBTS submitted let's see the content.

DappaD:
[s]So you've not been able to provide any reasonable evidence so far?
Ok oo case closed. [/s]

I've provided every evidences that:

1. UN doesn't require any registration before anyone make use of her libraries
2. UN didn't make any change to her charter

So the LETTER sent by WTBTS to congregation and The UK Guidance claiming UN demanded for registration before using her libraries and changes in her charter that led to withdrawal of registration is a lie.

Now, since you agreed that WTBTS applied for the usage of the UN library, it's you who need to provide the APPLICATION so that we can see the content.

Barristter07:
I didnt deny there might have been instances where matters were not propery handled, but what can you deduce from the screenshot below ?? Does it not prove my earlier point that Jehovahs witnesses do not shield abusers from authorities

The two @underlined sound somehow!

Yet you rush to reply that post just to paint JWs in good light rather you just agreed with the poster!

That post didn't claim they condole sexu.al abuse but that a case like sexu.al abuse can occur within JWs is unbelievable because the way you people make it seems as if JWs are the most holier than thou on earth.

As you people can COMDEMN anything but will never condemn yourself for anything and anyone who try to speak up is term an apostate.

achorladey:
When you look back at this words when he started this discussion with you written in bold below, one will think you are in a discussion with a Professor Emeritus.


Mr Emus.an, perhaps I should educate you—so you don't keep making this mistake


But here he is struggling and willing to go in circles Someone or an individual that want to indeed educate another person.

I wonder ooo

You can see how he was struggling indeed!

Till now, I'm still waiting for him to provide just a document where UN makes registration compulsory for gaining access into any of her libraries.

Someone who wants to educate me, first agreed WTBTS registration with UN but when UN T&C's change WTBTS back out.

Now he's asking me to provide WRITING AGREEMENT between the two parties!

DappaD:
Nawao I didn't ask all these.
You were given one simple task.

The undeniable truth is that WTBTS registered as NGO under DPI of UN and to be an NGO you must fill this form

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p1.jpg

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p2.jpg

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p3.jpg

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p4.jpg

And at the top of this form was written: "provide us with proof of your organizations non-profit status and with an annual report on its activities related to United Nations."

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The tasks you're still running away from are:

1. Provide us with your reliable sources that UN required registration before using any of their libraries.

2. Provide us with your reliable sources that UN made changes to their Charter that leads to WTBTS withdrawal of their registration.

3. Who brought into the attention of WTBTS the change in UN T&C's as you early claimed.

At least I've provided documents directly from UN that show no registration is required for the usage of any of their libraries and no changes were done to their charter. Likewise, the article published in 2001 by "The UK Guidance" that exposed the double standard of WTBTS, which is even the reason WTBTS wrote a personal letter to "The UK Guidance"

In all these, you haven't provided a single document to counter the apostates rather than ranting up and down.

Your plot to divert attention from the main point won't succeed.

DappaD:
So you admit Jehovah's Witnesses give you sleepless nights, hmm?

Another childish act begins, says the person who joined Nairaland not up to 4 months but already have more than 1,000 posts.

Leave too much talk.
Just show a written agreement signed by both parties that says the WTBTS supported the UN let's end the argument.

1. I've provided the form everybody who became an associate member of UN NGO filled

2. WTBTS made used of UN airplanes several times!

No be only dishonest.
You who is picking up unreliable info from apostate sources and passing them off as legit info is now the honest person abi?

Unreliable yet you haven't produced your own reliable info.

I ask you:
1. Where is the evidence that registration is required to make use of any UN libraries as WTBTS claimed in the letter?

2. Where is the evidence that UN charter for support was AMENDED that leads to the withdrawal of WTBTS registration?

You can't provide any just because there is none.

Yet the so called apostates furnished you with the documents from UN that no registration was required and no change to their Charter.

And you're still in self denial.

But you've not been able to provide a written and signed document of the supposed alliance WTBTS had with the UN?
Please careful before you hurt yourself one day because of JWs

Just tell us WTBTS didn't fill any form before becoming associate member.

Only a self denial and deluded person will think there's no agreement before WTBTS can make use of UN airplanes.

Jehovah God said his servants “will actually drink the milk of nations”—Isaiah 60:16
So don't bother yourself ehn, it had already been foretold that JWs(Gods people) will make use of the world's resources and technology to advance pure worship.

So the milk of the nations that Jehovah servants will drink is that of the WILD BEAST of revelation. Kudos!

So if I speak good about somebody, it suddenly means I share and support the person's ideologies?
Wow, just wow!

Your lying liar organization started singing the praises of the UN when it became associate member and started benefiting from the UN, that is why the calling of UN the WILD BEAST of revelation suddenly reduced in 90's

If you like, quote from all the unreliable sources there are in the world.
Once you cannot provide a written and signed document of the WTBTS having ties/alliances with the UN, your exercise is rendered fruitless.

Can you provide from your reliable sources, where UN demanded registration for the use of her libraries?

Can you provide from your reliable sources, where UN made changes to her charter of support?

The key points here are:
1. No registration was required by UN from anybody before making use of UN libraries
2. UN never made any changes to her charter.

In a nutshell, WTBTS lied in that letter and most importantly you're affected by that lies to have also said it was brought to their attention when in reality it was when an article from "The UK GUIDANCE" that exposed their dubious act which made a watchtower spokesman from Portugal spoke on radio interview and two days later, WTBTS withdrew her membership.

DappaD:
[s]So it's Jehovah's Witnesses that's giving you sleepless nights abi?
Everyone can tell how you restless you are being right now lol.
So while others were enjoying their night, your own head was aching you because of JW's?
No wahala. [/s]

Tactics to deviate from the key point.

Nothing new to see here. The Bible students then were still rediscovering the truth from the Bible.
Just like how they celebrated Christmas and believed Jesus died on a cross. In time, the truth became clear regarding all these things. And old beliefs had to be abolished.

Smile....OLD BELIEFS HAD TO BE ABOLISHED

By who?

So they died without knowing the TRUTH...Jehovah witness 7 wonders

Can you show for me in any publication from 1931(when God's people adopted the name “Jehovah's Witnesses”) til now that holds on to the belief that League of Nations was to be God's instrument?

So despite the fact that Jesus started teaching Russell's and his pagan team as at 1914 they still hold on to wrong teaching.

I thought we've gone past this stage of you digging out history and forcing it down other's throats—even when JW's will repeatedly tell you that all that was the former understanding.

because history is so important which is the reason you still believe in 1914 hoax, it's either Russell and his team were correct for all what they taught and died in and today's witnesses are wrong OR Russell was wrong which then makes date 1914 false and today's witnesses are correct.

[s]“From September 18 to 20, 1942 , at the height of World War II, Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States held their New World Theocratic Assembly. The key city, Cleveland, Ohio, was tied in by telephone with more than 50 other convention cities, for a peak attendance of 129,699. Where wartime conditions permitted, other conventions repeated the program around the world. At the time, many of Jehovah’s people expected that the war would escalate into God’s war of Armageddon; hence the title of the public talk, “Peace​—Can It Last?,” aroused much curiosity. How could the new president of the Watch Tower Society, N. H. Knorr, presume to talk about peace when the very opposite seemed to be in store for the nations? The reason was that the John class was paying “more than the usual attention” to God’s prophetic Word.​—Hebrews 2:1; 2 Peter 1:19. What light did the talk “Peace​—Can It Last?” throw on the prophecy? Clearly identifying the scarlet-colored wild beast of Revelation 17:3 as the League of Nations, N. H. Knorr went on to discuss its stormy career on the basis of the angel’s following words to John: “The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.”​—Revelation 17:8a.
“The wild beast . . . was.” Yes, it had existed as the League of Nations from January 10, 1920, onward, with 63 nations participating at one time or another. But, in turn, Japan, Germany, and Italy withdrew, and the former Soviet Union was dropped from the League. In September 1939 the Nazi dictator of Germany launched World War II.
Having failed to keep peace in the world, the League of Nations virtually plunged into an abyss of inactivity. By 1942 it had become a has-been. Neither before this nor at some later date​—but right at that critical time—​did Jehovah interpret to his people the full depth of meaning of the vision! At the New World Theocratic Assembly, N. H. Knorr could declare, in line with the prophecy, that “the wild beast is not.” He then asked the question, “Will the League remain in the pit?” Quoting Revelation 17:8, he answered: “The association of worldly nations will rise again.” That is just how it proved to be​—in vindication of Jehovah’s prophetic Word!” —Revelation Climax, Chapter 34 “An Awesome Mystery Solved”[/s]

Did WTBTS support the creation of UN?

The answer is YES!

You will have to be honest with yourself at one point in your life. Lies and twisting the truth won't save you.

You're the most dishonest person here after facts are presented to you and you're still denying them.

So from 1942 onward, what has been the new understanding amongst JW's in line with God's word? Do they still cling to the belief the Bible students once had in 1919? Or have they moved on?
Emu.san, I tell you, that it takes humility to admit past mistakes and move on.
Something you might need to emulate.

It means the teachings then are just pure human philosophy as in guessing works which turned out to be false.

Lol. What does all this random information have to do with anything? Perhaps you thought when posting all of this, you'd gain some kind of cred lmao. Or whether I'll be overwhelmed by such irrelevant information. You can see how mistaken you've been this whole time.

The random information has many things to do with WTBTS lies:

1. It provides undeniable fact that UN LIBRARIES don't require ANY REGISTRATION before public can make use them. which WTBTS lied that, that was the reason to associate with UN.

2. That there's no single CHANGE to UN carter which makes WTBTS to withdraw their registration.

3. It shows that WTBTS truly know what they are doing because the form given to them fill contains information that can make them to reject it.

4. There's no how WTBTS will become associate member without reading this "that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter" and went ahead to accept the offer.

In line of this, WTBTS provided HALF TRUTH(LIES) to their members

Why not complete the statement there na? Or are you scared it will reveal that the statement was quoted and that you'll be exposed as dishonest?

This is the complete statement:
“WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, . . .”​—
Preamble to the charter of the United Nations

So can you see the statement was quoted and has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses?
At least those reading this know who's been double-tongued here.

The quote is to show how WTBTS begins to speak good of UN, it was boldly written by me.

Like all the general info you see in other Awake mags. Nothing new to see here.

Many NEW THINGS to see

I don't know the reason why the attached chats didn't display.

The chat shows that "Between 1990 and 2010, there has been a significant reduction in references to the United Nations in the Watchtower magazine.

Even more noticeable is the reduction in the number of times the United Nations is referred along with the term "wild beast" in the Watchtower."

Lol. All this noise and you can't point to one single source that says Jehovah's Witnesses were supporting the UN. Lol
Posting irrelevant info thinking it would give you some kind of cred. You're clearly mistaken lol.
Just show us any document where WTBTS pledged allegiance to the UN and cut the c.rap

But they made use of UN airplanes, how do you think that is possible without any support from WTBTS?

I've showed you from horse mouth itself where WTBTS commended the usage of UN airplanes, only a clo.wn will think such will come without allegiance.

Truly, dishonesty runs in your blood.

Reason you can't provide the UN T&C's before WTBTS became member and after.

So after gallivanting around the whole place, you arrive at the letters that counters ALL your supposed “evidence”?
Is it not evident from these letters that your exercise was fruitless?

Honest people reading my post know the reason of attaching the letter:

1. That WTBTS boldly lied to world that registration is required to have access to UN libraries which is the reason of attaching the UN response that clarified that no registration is required.

2. WTBTS lied again in the same letter that changing in UN support forced them to withdraw their membership, which I also provided evidence from UN that nothing has changed from their charter.

3. As you early lied that it was brought to WTBTS attention that UN T&C's have changed is the reason for the withdrawal, the LETTER sent to the "The UK Guidance" confirmed that, it was article written in 2001 that exposed them not because of T&C's.

All these three points are enough to show, you and your organization are chronic liars.

[s]So in your village, beating around the bush is known as presenting “FACTS” ?
Nawaoh!
Just show us one signed document where WTBTS pledged allegiance to the UN or any other political organization and stop twisting the meaning of the access WTBTS had to the UN library to fit your own selfish interest.[/s]

They are many like:

The Watchtower regularly sends representatives to annual conferences of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). A person repeatedly attending these political events is Mr. Marcel Gillet

Stop lying about the UN libraries I've debunked that lies.

The Jehovah's witness representation from Portugal says it all.

“Evidence” is quoting from 1,001 unreliable sources when you can't come to one definite conclusion?
Perhaps the meaning of “evidence” changed in the past decade.

Only a dishonest person and a slave of 8 men in USA like you won't see the undeniable evidences here.

Command, prayer, anyone you like.
If it's command you want to see, read John 15:17-20
If it's prayer you want to see kwa, read John 17:14,16
Nothing spoil

Dull head, he couldn't answer the simple question!

Between 1990 and 2010, there has been a significant reduction in references to the United Nations in the Watchtower magazine.
https://jwfacts.com/images/watchtower-united-nations-refrences.jpg

Even more noticeable is the reduction in the number of times the United Nations is referred along with the term "wild beast" in the Watchtower.

https://jwfacts.com/images/watchtower-un-wild-beast-refrences.jpg

I love the way you address this issue in which you've shot yourself in the foot but trust me you'll still be defending your LYING organization.

Sorry, I used that word LYING because it's what I derived from your own post which are:

1. That Apostates and those who are attacking JWs are SPREADING HALF TRUTH

2. Anyone having the “power of reason” (Romans 12:1) will examine all the facts without rushing to conclusion over what he knows little about.

Which you didn't do but you want others to do it.

Actually, we who have power of reasoning have examined ALL THE FACTS but we realized that it was WTBTS that is SPREADING HALF TRUTH to cover their involvement with the UN and that WTBTS members lack power of reasoning (Romans 12:1) to examine the lies of cover up by WTBTS as I will expound below.

DappaD:
Mr Emus.an, perhaps I should educate you—so you don't keep making this mistake.

Thanks for the enlightenment but the question is; are you ready to use your power of reasoning to get educated too about this issue?

The WTBTS has never endorsed or supported any political organization ever, let alone the UN.

This is a pure lie, that means you don't read about your organization history. Shortly after the establishment of the UN, WTBTS praised the formation:

"We cannot but admire the high principles embodied in the League of Nations... Truly this is idealistic, and approximates in a small way that which God has foretold that he will bring about after this great time of trouble." Watch Tower 1919 Feb 15 p.51

This is an evidence that WTBTS is in support of such idea.

The Society applied to get access to the UN Library for the general info and stats seen in articles of Awake and public Watchtower magazines.

This is where your lying liar organization provided HALF TRUTH to you people:

Firstly, getting access into UN library doesn't require any registrations not to talk of becoming AN ASSOCIATE NGO member.

"Since 1946, the Dag Hammarskjold Library of the United Nations Secretariat in New York has arranged for the distribution of United Nations documents and publications to users around the world through its depository library system. At present, there are more than 400 depository libraries in over 140 countries maintaining United Nations material from the date of designation as depository to the present. The general public can consult the material free of charge at any depository library." www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/deplibsystem.htm

Since 1946 UN libraries of over 400 in 140 countries have been access free till today, where does WTBTS got the information that a registration is needed to access the library?

https://jwfacts.com/images/UN-letter-regarding-library-card.jpg

More importantly, there have been no changes to the requirement for NGO's being required to agree to "support" the ideals of the United Nations. This is stated in the following letter to an enquirer in 2002 and also a press release from 1992.

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-letter-requirements-unchanged.jpg

Secondly, as said shortly after the double standard of WTBTS was exposed by "Guidance Article" in 2001This was explained in an interview immediately following the Guardian article. The Watchtower spokesman in Portugal stated that United Nations registration was to assist gaining recognition in developing countries. In a newspaper interview on Saturday 20th October 2001, the Watchtowers Portuguese representative stated:

"Registration as a Non Governmental Organisation was only done because you can give humanitarian aid and protect human rights in various countries around the world," says the PUBLIC Pedro Candeias, spokesman for the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses in Portugal. In Portugal, however, a relaxation of registration is not yet known officially by the AJW, which represents nearly 50,000 believers.

The official says the religious group to which he belongs has had an "important role" in helping the populations of countries like Angola, Bosnia, Georgia, Rwanda and other African or Latin American. "Reaching out to these countries was complicated and therefore it was necessary to register" the WTBTS in the United Nations. But this registry, he says, did not compromise the Jehovah's Witnesses to "any political involvement" with the UN." (web.archive.org as of 24 June 2010 - translated with the assistance of Google Translate)

It was 2 days after this interview that the Watchtower changed its official position by releasing the October 22nd letter, contradicting the above statements and claiming it only applied for library access.

It's evident that WTBTS didn't apply because of the use of the library.

Thirdly, WTBTS so aware of this statement The opening paragraph of the 1991 application form, which the Watchtower was required to submit, contains an instruction to provide information yearly to the United Nations. It states;

" provide us with proof of your organizations non-profit status and with an annual report on its activities related to United Nations."

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p1.jpg

Fourthly, Watchtower was an associated NGO and to become associated required the Watchtower to accept the following:

1. that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter

2. have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

3. have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.

Lastly, It was somewhat surprising when in the 1990s a number of complimentary articles were written praising the work of the United Nations.

One such of the article is where it was boldly written "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED..." Watchtower 1995 Oct 1 pg 3,7

In 1998, the Awake! discussed the topic of Human Rights, dedicating a number of pages to the United Nations.

https://jwfacts.com/images/awake-1998-nov-22-p5-un.jpg

The United Nations website referenced this Awake! at www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm, giving good reason to believe it was one of the articles the Watchtower sent to the United Nations as part of its annual reporting requirement.

https://jwfacts.com/images/un-awake-article-link-waybackmachine.jpg

It was later brought to the Society's attention that the UN had changed their T&C's for those who had access to their libraries.

Can you provide us with UN T&C's before WTBTS became an associate and UN T&C's after they withdrew their registration?

The truth is no T&C's has been changed and it wasn't brought to the Society attention rather In 2001, the UK Guardian ran the introductory article that brought to light the Watchtower involvement with the United Nations, resulting in shock amongst many Jehovah's Witness. Two days later, the Watchtower Society indicated its guilt by withdrawing its UN membership.

It was the UK GUIDANCE article that exposed the double standard of Watchtower not about T&C's.

The new T&C's apparently contained new requirements which the Society reviewed and saw that the new conditions stated conflicted with Bible's standards.

Let's see this NEW T&C's first, so that we can compare it with the old one before WTBTS became associate.

And then they withdrew completely from the association because JW's will never compromise their neutrality for anything or anybody.

They will never compromise, you said above that they only became associate in other to use the library yet Watchtower Society makes use of UN airplane to provide aids to different countries. How come?

In the 1997 booklet Mission to Africa (Click for PDF download), Watchtower discusses how they took advantage of United Nations airplanes to distribute aid to Jehovah's Witnesses in the region. Page nine notes:

"The best form of travel, if not the only one, is the airplane. Often we used the H.C.R.'s (United Nations High Commission for Refugees) planes." Mission to Africa p.9

But as usual, apostates and all those attacking Jehovah's Witnesses will see any opportunity to latch onto anything they can find and spread half truths, leaving out vital information—showing that they themselves aren't honest.

When it is evident that it's WTBTS that left out vital information in other to continue to cage people like you and the said apostates and critics of Watchtower society are the ones who provided full details and truth.

This was the letter sent to all congregations
https://jwfacts.com/images/UNeldersletter.jpg

The same letter was sent to the "The UK Guidance"
https://jwfacts.com/images/UNWTpressletter.jpg

Anyone having the “power of reason” (Romans 12:1) will examine all the facts without rushing to conclusion over what he knows little about.

Now, do you examine ALL THE FACTS without rushing to defend WTBTS?

So make no mistake, Em.usan, because Jehovah's Witnesses will never compromise their neutrality nor will they ever support ANY political organization whatsoever—even at the threat of death.

The evidence above says otherwise!

JW's will continue to heed Jesus' words to be “no part of the world”. John 17:14,16

Is Jesus' word in John 17:14,16 a command or prayer?