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DappaD:
The naive/inexperienced person believes every word ,
But the shrewd one ponders each step. —Proverbs 14:15
I guess we and those reading know who the “inexperienced” one is here, that the Bible speaks of.

You fancy stories/talltales you heard here and there without considering the full facts and you expect me to tender you a sound reply.
Mr Emusan, please find something better to do. Thanks.

See painment

Are you denying that Watchtower Society never be part of UN?

What is the reason behind the use of the words NEW WORLD by Watchtower?

When you realized that Watchtower Society was secretly part of UN for years before they were busted and quickly withdrawn their registration.

Maybe because they were part of this WORLD GOVERNMENT in the first place, is the reason for their NEW WORLD Translation.

Auki:
Present your fact if you are truthful. Those who invent lie against Allah and repent not will never prosper and thier abode will be hell, an ignominious resting place.

Are you saying Quran didn't call Isa the word of God and a SPIRIT from him?

Janosky:
God's word, voice, speech is not a living entity.
John 17:17. Luke 9:35.
No dey DECEIVE yourself

Because your own God is a man.

The WORD OF GOD is ALIVE says the Holy scripture!

Continue to DECEIVE yourself!

Because of John 15:15, John 7:16,Hebrew1:1 , "the Word" is a title for God's appointed Spokesman, His son Jesus Christ.

Quote those verses from anywhere and paste it here and highlight where THE WORD said to be a TITLE as God's appointed Spokesman.

The second Adam, John 11:27. Romans8:3,32... 1Corinthians 15:47-49

What does this mean?

BlueAngel444:
even the topic says Jesus WAS a Man

It means Jesus isn't a man again (back to this later)

Then this brought us back to my initial question

1. Then Who was He before becoming A MAN?
2. The person who became A MAN does He stopped existing or just change Nature?

Can you seat at the right hand of yourself? Or speak from above while you are below?

From above, you said "GOD is not a man" but now you're making God to be a man!

I always wondered why you called Him GOD if you always think He is like a MAN! That is, limited by what man is limited to.

If I may ask, can God visit every state in Nigeria at the same time?

and the word became FLESH and dwelt among us. And the second Adam was the second man.

What was His nature before becoming a man?

One from dust and the other from His word.

So does the WORD of God and God different from God and separate entity?

BlueAngel444:
firstly I didn't claim whatever you wrote there.

Your claim from the OP is that Jesus is A MAN, that was why I asked those questions.

I stated from scripture that Jesus was the word of God before he became flesh and dwelt among us as a man and IS now the lamb that was slain at the right hand of God

If Jesus is THE WORD of God, does God's WORD different from GOD?

Does God and His Word two separate entities or Just still one entity?

Have you not read in Scripture how the second Adam was made into a quicken spirit.

Does it mean the second Adam wasn't a SPIRIT in the first place?

BlueAngel444:
Jesus was a man: the proof of prophets

Before we begin let us read some verses, no matter how many times you read it or the number of translations you read, it is more important to understand the truth than to just read an article.


You attend meetings, or even a regular member of any meeting, where the speaker is fond of referring to Jesus as a god who on earth who could do and undo, so that you too can do and undo as mini gods, that speaker is not of God and both he and those who follow such one will end up in destruction. Jesus came in humility, lived in humility, died in humility, an example to us of humility that we may live humbly and died in service of others and God and not claim to be a god, and not use the name of God as an excuse for violence.

Some Jews were too proud, so they did not believe in Jesus because Jesus was a man.

John wrote, anyone whose message is that Jesus was a god or a spirit is of the devil.

When I see Christians and Muslims argue about belief especially when they have not studied the Bible and the Koran with humility it's funny how extreme a person can go even when they are wrong. One says you must believe that Jesus is God, the other says, Jesus was a man but he did not rise from the dead or have divine birth. But the record says Jesus a man of supernaturally divine birth, was crucified and he rose. Simple truth but the devil is a master of fractioning the truth. Making you believe part of something while adding something else to it. He removes and adds to God's word.

Jesus was the word of God, before he became flesh and now is the lamb that was slain who is at the right hand of God.

A man can die, God cannot die because God is spirit, John 4:24.

Jesus is the Son of God - correct
Jesus is God - wrong
Jesus is the Son - wrong

Since you claim Jesus is A MAN does that mean Jesus didn't exist before becoming A MAN?

1. If your answer is No! Then Who was He before becoming A MAN?

2. The person who became A MAN does He stopped existing or just change Nature?

NOTICE: As you rightly said above, spirits don't die!

Simplyleo:
Pls is there any oil producing country that sells fuel at international price?

Lets start from there.

Rather the question should be, is there any private owned refinery that sells fuel at international price?

Do you want Dangote to be doing business like government does?

Janosky:
Romans12:1-2
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Romans 8:5-7 & Romans 12:1-2, renew your mind, your inner thoughts, to conform to God's righteous standard, that is the point Paul made in 2Corinthians 4:16.
Because every wickedness you practice,comes from your inner thoughts. Matthew 15:11,18-20.
Renew your heart and mind to conform to everything that Yahweh approves.

Here come Mr NO SENSE lying liar

See how the deluded JWs change INNER MAN to INNER THOUGHT

If the point Paul made in 2 Corinthians 4:16 is inner thoughts can you provide screenshot as you usually do from Biblehub.com so that people can see?

Hypocrite brainwash JWs!

Mr LIENUS no get SENSE
You can only renew what is old , wearing out or decaying.

So mind/heart can decay...

No wonder you'll remain Mr NO SENSE forever.

Mr LIENUS False claim, the spirit person inside him is decaying ,he renews the decaying spirit like a mechanic changing the carburetor and worn out break pad

Mr NO SENSE can you provide where anyone ever said THE SPIRIT PERSON IS DECAYING?

Even your deluded brothers have said, the decaying is for the fleshy body.

You'll never receive sense!

On the other hand, the soul is not a person living inside a man.

Argue that with your demonic translation Therefore, we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day."

No how you people will twist that verse, there's a MAN WE ARE INSIDE

Continue to DECEIVE your gullible self

And you'll continue to fail to have sense and leaving your brain inside Hall before coming to the public.

@OP I represent Zuba zone, any show?

SarkinYarki:
Where do U think most BMO zombies reside

We don't have such in Abuja, even Buhari lost Abuja in 2019; remember!

There's no how you people will try to twist the scripture that your lies won't be exposed.

DappaD:
Let's use 2Corinthians 4:16 to understand what Paul meant.

“Therefore, we do not give up, but even if the 1. man we are outside is wasting away, certainly 2. the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. ”

1. Denotes the fleshly body with all its
fleshly desires and weaknesses—sickness, old-age, death.

You vividly know that "THE MAN WE ARE OUTSIDE" denotes the FLESHY BODY but only to twist "The man we are INSIDE" when they both have the same phrase.

2. Denotes the new spiritual personality the Christians put on. It is this “man on the inside” that Jehovah God renews/refreshes “day to day” with his holy spirit and his Word, the Bible.
So that even if true Christians(JW's) might be physically tired—maybe after a long day preaching about God's Kingdom, who they are inward—will never get tired—rather will continue to get renewed through God's word, the Bible.

That said, the ‘fleshly body’ is in constant opposition to the ‘spiritual’ person we are inside —making it difficult to put away the “old personality” in order for Christians to put on the “new personality”(Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:9-10)

The two @underlined show that you know the truth but decided to bend it.

It's evident that what Paul is describing is a PERSON inside us using the phrase "MAN - INSIDE" man is conscious so what is INSIDE is also self conscious.

This is clear from your post by using the term "SPIRITUAL PERSON we are inside" and you shot yourself in the foot that way.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers:
"The “outward man,” the material framework of the body, is undergoing a gradual process of decay, but the “inward man,” the higher spiritual life, is “day by day” passing through successive stages of renewal, gaining fresh energies. This verb also, and its derivative “renewal,” are specially characteristic of St. Paul. (Comp. Romans 12:2; Colossians 3:10; Titus 3:5.) The verb in Ephesians 4:23, though not the same, is equivalent in meaning.

Benson Commentary:
2 Corinthians 4:16-17. For which cause — Because of which abounding grace that supports us; we faint not — Under any of our present pressures; but though our outward man — The body; perish — Be worn out and brought to dust prematurely, by our continual labours and sufferings; our inward man — The soul; is renewed day by day — After the divine nature and likeness, receiving fresh degrees of spiritual strength, purity, and consolation, in proportion as the body grows weaker, and we feel our dissolution approaching. 

Barnes' Notes on the Bible:
But though our outward man perish - By outward man, Paul evidently means the body. By using the phrases, "the outward man," and the "inward man," he shows that he believed that man was made up of two parts, body and soul. He was no materialist. He has described two parts as constituting man, so distinct: that while the one perishes, the other is renewed; while the one is enfeebled, the other is strengthened; while the one grows old and decays, the other renews its youth and is invigorated. Of course, the soul is not dependent on the body for its vigor and strength, since it expands while the body decays; and of course the soul may exist independently of the body, and in a separate state.

Yet the inward man - The soul; the undecaying, the immortal part.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary:
16. we faint not—notwithstanding our sufferings. Resuming 2Co 4:1.

outward man—the body, the flesh.

perish—"is wearing away"; "is wasted away" by afflictions.

inward man—our spiritual and true being, the "life" which even in our mortal bodies (2Co 4:11) "manifests the life of Jesus."

Meyer's NT Commentary:
2 Corinthians 4:16. Διό] namely, on account of the certainty expressed in 2 Corinthians 4:14 (partly elucidated in 2 Corinthians 4:15), in significant keeping with εἰδότες, and hence not to be referred back to the faith of the preachers, 2 Corinthians 4:13 (Hofmann).

οὐκ ἐκκακ.] as 2 Corinthians 4:1. The opposite of ἐκκακ. is: our inward man, i.e. our morally self-conscious personality, with the thinking and willing νοῦς and the life-principle of the πνεῦμα (see on Romans 7:22; Ephesians 3:16; comp. 1 Peter 3:4)

Pulpit Commentary:
Verses 16-18. - The Christian minister is upheld by hope. Verse 16. - Therefore. Knowing that our daily death is the pathway to eternal life (ver. 14). We faint not (see ver. 1). Though; rather, even if. Our outward man. Our life in its human and corporeal conditions. The inward man. Namely, our moral and spiritual being, that "new man which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him" (Colossians 3:10). Is renewed; literally, is being renewed; i.e. by faith and hope. Day by day. The Greek phrase is not classical, but is a reminiscence of the Hebrew.

KNOWMORE56:
They will see it and ignore, how they wish to replace the Word with watchtower:

*. Romans 7:22 "KJV:For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD MAN:

*. 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV:For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

*. Ephesians 3:16 "KJV:That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the INNER MAN;"

That was the reason I purposely underlined that part for him.

You can even see from that definition that it's something of self conscious on its own.

"The inner BEING of man"

Can any of them give Biblical meaning to
INWARD MAN or INNER MAN?

You can see the dubious BIBLICAL MEANING one of them gave!

Maximus69:
The Biblical meaning of "INWARD or INNER~MAN"

I was expecting to see this BIBLICAL MEANING from a reliable scholars but hell NO just your personal twisting.

Jesus came preaching and teaching, his teachings began sinking deep into the minds of a relatively few in his nation, but since his teachings isn't part of what people are used to they still finds it really difficult to make this new teachings become operational in their activities.

So Paul's statement hear is talking about the INNER PERSONALITY that Christ's teachings have inculcated in his followers which they are finding really hard to put on the outside! Matthew 26:41

Continue with your personal injection!

See how he is boldly twisting the scripture.

When you even saw it boldly written 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV: For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

Paul made a clear distinction between OUTWARD MAN and INNER MAN

haddeylium:
What kind of laziness is this
Save yourself of this embarrassment and research the meaning of Ne'phesh translated to soul.

Mr animals have soul

Do you think you have embarrassed yourself about animals having soul or not?

This is ne'phesh definition:

Definition

soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

living being

living being (with life in the blood)

the man himself, self, person or individual

seat of the appetites

seat of emotions and passions

activity of mind
dubious

activity of the will
dubious

activity of the character
dubious

Can you tell us how the word Ne'phesh negates his discussion?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/nephesh.html

How can life depart from life?

What of you who said, soul is the PERSON yet many times from the scripture we see people saying there's SOUL within them which means there's person inside their person.

DappaD:
Oga if you cannot answer my simple question then don't quote me.

Address my post oga

DappaD:
Doesn't answer my question.

Quick escape I understand!

If you knew you couldn't stand up to defend what you said—then you shouldn't have bothered quoting me in the first place trying to prove a point where there's none.

Here is my reply to your post again:

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel
The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.

You saw that your claim was disproved

By who?

so you thought it necessary to digress—bringing up information that has nothing to do the topic of discussion.

When you know you can't answer my questions, you resort to straw man.

Next time check your post well to save people from copying and pasting.

haddeylium:
Why am I not even surprised that you can't provide answers to any of the questions...lol

Where are the questions?

How does Jesus view soul?
Someone can either save his soul or lose it (mark 8:35-37)
“He that is fond of his soul destroys it, but he that hates his soul in this world will safeguard it for everlasting (John 12:25)
Applying that to Mathew 10:28-
It means a person can kill the body but cannot kill the person at all time if the remains in God's purpose cos' there's hope for resurrection

Now changing mouth!
Just listen to yourself "It means a person can kill the body but cannot kill the person at all time..."

Isn't SOUL is actual person according to your doctrine?

Is it only SOUL that makes up a person or with body?

So for faithful servant of God, their loss of life is temporary, they will regain it(Rev 12:11)

Now ONLY BODY = LIFE according to you because many true worshippers of God lost their lives

Yet Christ says people can kill the BODY but cannot kill the SOUL.

Quick question?
If the soul is immortal, what then is the purpose of resurrection in the lastdays
Don't fret.

We are HUMAN BEING, we're not to live forever in SOUL Alone, at resurrection the soul of the faithful will be clothed with flesh again which now incorruptible. That's why Apostle Paul says "we shall PUT ON" we PUT ON clothe on SOMETHING. You can't PUT ON clothes on NOTHING.

Don't commit this blunder again
Numbers 31:28: “As a tax . . . , you should take from the soldiers who went out into the battle one soul out of every 500, of the people, the herd, the donkeys, and the flock.”
Animals and humans are soul
The question still stands

See the person committing blunder yet encouraging me not to do it again.

So animals ARE NOW SOLDIERS, clap for yourself!

Read it from different translations to understand what that verse is saying

NIV
From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep.

NIVUK
From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep.

NKJV
And levy a tribute for the Lord on the men of war who went out to battle: one of every five hundred of the persons, the cattle, the donkeys, and the sheep;

NLV
Then take a tax for the Lord from the men of war who went out to battle. Take one out of 500 of the persons and the cattle and the donkeys and the sheep.

NLT
From the army’s portion, first give the Lord his share of the plunder—one of every 500 of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, and goats.

NRSV
From the share of the warriors who went out to battle, set aside as tribute for the Lord, one item out of every five hundred, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats.

Again the doctrine of animals having soul is of pagan not of the Holy scripture.

haddeylium:
You really want to separate body from soul
Goodluck with that

Scripture did not me! As I cited earlier.

The Bible teaches that the soul(body) is the person itself

But Jesus says man can kill the BODY and won't be able to kill the SOUL

You mean Jesus is lying

Do you understand why the Bible speaks of souls
as being slain—Ezek. 13:19
falling into a pit-Job 33:18
being torn as by a lion-Ps. 7:2
being bought-Lev. 22:11
and being fed with meat-Deut. 12:20.
?
If you calm down you'll learn too

Do you understand why Jesus said no man can kill the SOUL?

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Do you agree with Genesis7:2 that Adam became a living soul from dead soul?
Do you agree that the combination of breath (spirit) and dust made up a living soul as said?
Can the whatever gadget works without electricity (life force/spirit)?

Where was DEAD SOUL mentioned in Genesis?

Do you agree that man can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Why is Animal soul that share the same spirit as human mortal?

Where do you read it that animal have a soul?

This is pagan doctrine, why holding such doctrine?

DappaD:
Before you hop onto my post and assume you've won some sort of trophy—first ask yourself this question:

“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

Please read 1Thessalonians 5:23 again and answer accordingly.

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel

The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

Let's know whether the apostle Paul was talking about the makeup of humans or if he was talking about something else.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God? When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?

Yes every wicked and good person returned to God at death but God is the one who places them to their final destination.

Just as you hold the doctrine of Jehovah only keeps the MEMORIES of the good people and chooses not to keep the wicked ones.

First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

Yet Apostle Paul can say "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess 5:23

If two impersonal things make up man, why do such prayer from Apostle Paul?

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40

Please where do anyone ever says it was ANGEL that is trapped in human body?

So are you saying SPIRIT IN MAN is earthly product?

Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying to hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

Just as you fit your own thinking into many scriptures like the 1 Thessalonians 5:23 above.

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)

Who denied this?

There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

Many just that you decided to give them your own thinking!

haddeylium:
If you calm down.... You'll learn

You rush to Ecclesiastes he tutor you, you then rush down to Genesis yet you said "If you calm down.... You'll learn"

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground[/b], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3

Wrong comparison!

Like I do say, it's because you people lack comprehensive knowledge of electronics that's why you keep using this failed analogy.

Electronics have three parts:
1. Frame/Housing unit
2. Components which hold the software
3. The software (that energized by electricity)

If you should compare this with human structure!
The Body = Frame
The Soul = Components
The spirit = Software

Let me tell you how the word soul and the whole being of man sometimes interchangeably used as SOUL!

Many graduates today will still look at desktop computer and refer to the whole System as CPU when in reality CPU is just a component in the whole system.

But when you meet the expert in computer science they will tell you, it's different.

Likewise Bible makes it clear that Soul is different from Body.

This verse plainly said it all;1 Thessalonians 5:23 “And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

He provides answer to that, check his post again

AhmedEmeka:
Try taking piss on US flag when you get there and see what would happen to you.

Everybody is insane just differently.

Do you mean by insulting Muhammad and Allah, they are pissing on them?

Janosky:
Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

I know you always leave your brain in the Hall before coming to public.

Lying liar JWs following his father Devil foot steps.

The issue of Russel and the apostles are totally different.

Does imperfection of the disciples lead them to die in wrong teaching? This is the question your tiny brain won't answer

They disputed issue of CIRCUMCISION and get cleared.

Who did Russell disput the issue of worshipping Jesus with?

Who did Russell disput the issue of Christ died on the cross with?

Mr Lienus dey console himself .

[b]Bros the disciples get holy spirit yet they never stopped fighting & quarreling among themselves on matters of doctrine , cliques , factionalism and what have you . 1 Corinthians 1:11
"My brothers some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrells among you."

In all these your disciples fighting and quarreling you haven't provided us that it's because some are worshipping Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ died on the cross that caused the fight.

Acts15:2 "This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute on the matter of Circumcision.

Galatians 2:11-14, The disciples practiced hypocrisy "they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel", God's people led by holy spirit

Was it a pagan doctrines that caused the dispute?

Can a pagan reign with Christ?

But do they die in that wrong teaching?

Why will Russell die worshipping Jesus Christ and believe Jesus died on the cross if those practices are actually pagan?

These are the questions you can't give straight answers to because you will implicate your pagan founder and his team.

Mr Lienus vamoose from here with your Lienus

This is full quote of Gal 2:11-14 so that you can see it's a different case compare to your pagan founder Russell and his team.

11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? NLT

The Holy Spirit must have used Apostle Paul to correct Apostle Peter and he took to correction.

Who did Holy Spirit use to correct Russell and his team that worshipping of Jesus Christ is a pagan practice?

Besides, Russell believes all his teachings are accurate as it wasn't from man but from God Himself.

It's evident that RUSSELL and God were right and today's JWs are wrong.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

The lying liar accolade, follower of a pagan master!

Does the issue of circumcision has any effect on salvation? No!

But do you agree that:
1. Worshipping of Jesus Christ is a pagan practice?
2. Accepting Cross is a pagan practice?

Does anyone who do any of these will leave in paradise or be part of the heavenly chosen?

Now we definitely know you're here forming James Bond while you receive "Expo" from JWs

When a deluded and brainwashed JWs is making himself happy.

When it's evident that you people always go home with different lecture notes here.

Does Mr LIENUS have proof that none of the disciples died while the dispute about Circumcision was going on ?

Mr LIENUS done give everyone of them immortal life on earth wey Jesus never give them at that time

Lying liar JWs following the foot step of his darling daddy the Devil.

Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation.

Why Jesus allowed RUSSELL and his pagan team to die in their pagan practices is still the question that'll continue to torment you people

Maximus69:
Parable is so clear yet Jesus' audience including his own followers didn't understand until Jesus began explanations shey?

At least you know Jesus Himself explained the parables, which means we can understand the parable now inline with scriptures.

I thought you will give a better interpretation nah!

It was plainly said by Jesus in that parable that WEED AND WHEAT WILL GROW TOGETHER and the only time WEED WILL BE SEPARATED FROM THE WHEAT is the end time when Jesus will send His harvesters to gather the weed FIRST and BURN THEM before gathering the Wheat in a ban.

If we go with this, then weed has been burning since 1914 till date.

Do you now see why i've always tormented you saying "present a better performing group"
Just imagine you want to condemn the interpretation of a performing group, you can't present another group and to worsen your condition you can't even interpret the Parable!

I pity your condition!

The only group I can present for you according to scripture is the BODY OF CHRIST which are with many MEMBERS. If you think you're not part of that body then continue with your pagan master.

budaatum:
Sorry Emusan, but there are absolutely no facts whatsoever in support of a flat earth unless you are talking about all those who walked to the edge of the flat earth and fell of it so can not return with facts of what happened to them.

A simple survey will show you that the evidence of flat earth is religious belief, and beliefs are not facts but crap you cook up inside your head and hold on to with no bother to verify their validity.

These are just your personal opinion!

Are you among the people who swallowed the lie that a man made machine called voyager 1 is somewhere in space working for over 40years without maintenance?

Maximus69:
So you don't even know that the Wheat and Weed Parable was a prophetic illustration shey?

Gbà fógàá e!

Jehovah's Witnesses will always silence you no matter how arrogant you may prove to be! Isaiah 54:17

You can now continue crying all over Nairaland!

It's evident you've been exhausted!

That's the irony of a deluded person!

You brought the analogy of Botanic to support the parable, yet I made you understand that even in Botanic WEEDS DON'T ELIMINATE WHEAT

And the parable of Jesus on that is as clear as crystal but can only be twisted by a lying liar JWs.

Jesus will send His HARVESTERS this is supported with Christ own statement that "When He appeared in the CLOUD He'll send all His ANGELS to gather together"

And it's immediately the weed will be turn into BURNING FIRE, so if this has started happening since 1914 it means some people are already burning by fire till now which even your organization is against.

So much for the Bible twisters and lying liar like their father the Devil

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS continuously making FALSE claims ranting like a broken record.

It's the same holy spirit leading Jesus and followers of Jesus.

Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

The question you'll never answer still remain, did they die without knowing circumcision is wrong or right?

Mr accolade lying liar

Janosky:
See wetin dey pepper you...

Matt22:44, Acts 2:34-35, Psalms 110:1-2 dey your Bible? Mr LIENUS, take note... Hebrew 1:13
"Yahweh commanded your deity, " Sit at my right hand".. Mr LIENUS, exponent of Jesus is God Almighty Fraud

Mr accolade lying liar JWs!

No more reasonable things to say than ranting and spewing thrashes.

I know your type before

Maximus69:
Whether you believe it or not is none of my own problem but know that it was a Parable and the wheat represents those who are keenly interested in knowing exactly what Jesus taught, during the dark ages they were subjected to fear due to the overwhelming influence of the weeds so they only worship in different religions claiming Abrahamic enlightenment include Islam until 1914!

Now it's a parable but you first cited it!

Whenever your lies and delusions are exposed the next is to shift post.

From the parable and botanics it's evident that WEEDS NEVER ELIMINATE THE WHEAT which means no matter how the weed may be WHEAT will still be found there.

So this nullified your lies.

Of course they existed, Russell and his team were part of them lost in different Abrahamic religions!

Look at @underlined and see how lost you are.

What of before RUSSELL WAS BORN?

So where are the rest who are not part of Russell team?

[quote]The same scriptures which the Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes, John the baptist and other Jewish Rabbis had was what Jesus used in teaching new things about God's Kingdom. He didn't fabricate anything new. So it's possible for Satan to blur the senses of scholars most especially when they're already intimidated from expressing themselves freely. Note that before the time of Russell and his team, anyone who speaks against the teachings of the churches of Christendom will be executed like William Tyndale!

So do you agree people like William Tyndale are TRUE CHRISTIANS?

Are they going to be part of heavenly ones?

It took Jesus more than 3 years to preach, teach and form a group, it took him another 65 years to reveal the remaining information found in the Bible book of Revelations when most of his followers have died, so there is nothing new in his style of teaching!

So which NEW THINGS did Jesus taught Russell and his pagan team that the early Christians didn't know about?

You agree the early Christians don't worship Christ and believe he died on the cross

So why will Jesus teach Russell that?

As for condemnation, it's only arrogant people who can never be part of his group, as for sinners (people who agreed that they might be wrong) that's exactly those he came to save! Matthew 9:13

So who are you to know who is arrogant or not?

Are you God?

Whatever anyone believe before they began taking correction from Jesus is bygone!
He chose them because of their willingness to make amendments!

So what exactly was the CORRECTION Russell took from Jesus when he still died in worshipping Jesus?

Then how do you know Jesus is not correcting many people again?

This is where you err in the understanding of the scriptures, someone may be helped by the spirit but not inspired! It is the fruit of God's holy spirit to be patient with time many things will be revealed, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told his followers that a spirit will continue to remind them of the things he taught them {John 14:26} so as they continue earnestly digging deep and humbly praying for God's holy spirit, the truth will be revealed with time! Proverbs 2:1-5

just a pity, you can be helped by spirit but not inspired, DID RUSSELL NOT CLAIM INSPIRATION FOR HIS TEACHINGS?

So which one is true:
1. Russell was helped by the spirit but not inspired?
2. Russell was inspired but was not helped by the spirit?
3. Russell was both helped and inspired by the spirit?

Jesus taught those things in PARABLES, so if you're not careful to meditate on the botanical aspect of what often happens when weeds are allowed to grow alongside wheat you can never understand the illustration. Of course the weeds will overshadow the wheat and make it really difficult for someone who is not careful to collect. Note that Jesus said the world is the farm and the angels are the reapers so his wheat were scattered in different religious groups until 1914 when his angels began picking them together into one single group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Mr parable, it's now you know it's parable.

But does it negate the fact that WEED NEVERS ELIMINATES WHEAT?

But you claimed Jesus Himself came in 1914, when the same Bible you cited says otherwise....

Lying liar.

Of course the judgment is ongoing presently nah!
Why do you think all of you are crying against just one single group whereas you're all hiding your various religions with contradicting opinions and conflicting doctrines under the same Jesus, when a global family of peace loving worshipers have emerged in your eyes?
Come on my guy, it's the torment of the rich man in Jesus' illustration that's happening presently, your frequent agitation over the works of JWs is tormenting you and your cohorts so you're begging God (father Abraham) to tell us to cool your thirst, is that not why you've been asking series of questions all because of the chasm between us?
My guy if you don't know, better know now, the judgment is ongoing presently!

So the judgement you read about in that verse is people crying against your lying organization.

Wonder shall never ends

If you're happy with your FAITH that's having LOVE, JOY and PEACE, then why are you so bitter about what someone you think is an irredeemable liar believe? torí Olórun!

Simply provide the fact I asked you oh yeh hypocrite!

Says the deluded JWs who keep jumping over every post on religion section of Nairaland restlessly.

Janosky:
Very uncouth of you, Mr LIENUS. You lack SENSE and manners

See frustration of a lost soul!
See who is talking about lacking sense and manner
Hypocrite!

Janosky:
1&2, Jesus disciples stuck to Matt4:10, and Mark12:29-30, NONE of them worship Jesus.

Then why did Russell and his pagan team worship Jesus?

Did Matt 4:10 & Mark 12:29-30 lost in Russell Bible that time, before he promotes the worship of Jesus Christ?

(3). STOP making mockery of yourself.
If Jehovah's servants of the first century knew everything, would they need holy spirit to guide them?
Would they wrongly predict that God's kingdom have arrived immediately?

That's why I always say you lack simple comprehension!

Holy Spirit came as the greatest teacher and the disciples' knowledge were brighten and they never reached any wrong thing because the Holy Spirit is a working in them.

Now, Russell claimed the same Holy Spirit was with him, yet promotes the worship of Jesus Christ, believe Jesus died on the cross.

But today the same Holy Spirit says Jesus shouldn't be worshipped and he didn't died on the cross.

Can you see your delusions?

Mr LIENUS, 2 Thess1:7-9 have ZERO connection to your fictitious claim

You can tear it from your demonic translation.

Matt22:44, Acts 2:34-35, Psalms 110:1-2 dey your Bible? Mr LIENUS, take note...
"Yahweh commanded your deity, " Sit at my right hand".. Mr LIENUS, exponent of Jesus is God Almighty Fraud

Just keep ranting as usual without addressing the main issue.

Deluded Mr accolade.