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haddeylium:
You really want to separate body from soul
Goodluck with that

Scripture did not me! As I cited earlier.

The Bible teaches that the soul(body) is the person itself

But Jesus says man can kill the BODY and won't be able to kill the SOUL

You mean Jesus is lying

Do you understand why the Bible speaks of souls
as being slain—Ezek. 13:19
falling into a pit-Job 33:18
being torn as by a lion-Ps. 7:2
being bought-Lev. 22:11
and being fed with meat-Deut. 12:20.
?
If you calm down you'll learn too

Do you understand why Jesus said no man can kill the SOUL?

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Do you agree with Genesis7:2 that Adam became a living soul from dead soul?
Do you agree that the combination of breath (spirit) and dust made up a living soul as said?
Can the whatever gadget works without electricity (life force/spirit)?

Where was DEAD SOUL mentioned in Genesis?

Do you agree that man can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Why is Animal soul that share the same spirit as human mortal?

Where do you read it that animal have a soul?

This is pagan doctrine, why holding such doctrine?

DappaD:
Before you hop onto my post and assume you've won some sort of trophy—first ask yourself this question:

“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

Please read 1Thessalonians 5:23 again and answer accordingly.

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel

The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

Let's know whether the apostle Paul was talking about the makeup of humans or if he was talking about something else.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God? When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?

Yes every wicked and good person returned to God at death but God is the one who places them to their final destination.

Just as you hold the doctrine of Jehovah only keeps the MEMORIES of the good people and chooses not to keep the wicked ones.

First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

Yet Apostle Paul can say "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess 5:23

If two impersonal things make up man, why do such prayer from Apostle Paul?

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40

Please where do anyone ever says it was ANGEL that is trapped in human body?

So are you saying SPIRIT IN MAN is earthly product?

Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying to hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

Just as you fit your own thinking into many scriptures like the 1 Thessalonians 5:23 above.

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)

Who denied this?

There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

Many just that you decided to give them your own thinking!

haddeylium:
If you calm down.... You'll learn

You rush to Ecclesiastes he tutor you, you then rush down to Genesis yet you said "If you calm down.... You'll learn"

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground[/b], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3

Wrong comparison!

Like I do say, it's because you people lack comprehensive knowledge of electronics that's why you keep using this failed analogy.

Electronics have three parts:
1. Frame/Housing unit
2. Components which hold the software
3. The software (that energized by electricity)

If you should compare this with human structure!
The Body = Frame
The Soul = Components
The spirit = Software

Let me tell you how the word soul and the whole being of man sometimes interchangeably used as SOUL!

Many graduates today will still look at desktop computer and refer to the whole System as CPU when in reality CPU is just a component in the whole system.

But when you meet the expert in computer science they will tell you, it's different.

Likewise Bible makes it clear that Soul is different from Body.

This verse plainly said it all;1 Thessalonians 5:23 “And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

He provides answer to that, check his post again

AhmedEmeka:
Try taking piss on US flag when you get there and see what would happen to you.

Everybody is insane just differently.

Do you mean by insulting Muhammad and Allah, they are pissing on them?

Janosky:
Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

I know you always leave your brain in the Hall before coming to public.

Lying liar JWs following his father Devil foot steps.

The issue of Russel and the apostles are totally different.

Does imperfection of the disciples lead them to die in wrong teaching? This is the question your tiny brain won't answer

They disputed issue of CIRCUMCISION and get cleared.

Who did Russell disput the issue of worshipping Jesus with?

Who did Russell disput the issue of Christ died on the cross with?

Mr Lienus dey console himself .

[b]Bros the disciples get holy spirit yet they never stopped fighting & quarreling among themselves on matters of doctrine , cliques , factionalism and what have you . 1 Corinthians 1:11
"My brothers some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrells among you."

In all these your disciples fighting and quarreling you haven't provided us that it's because some are worshipping Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ died on the cross that caused the fight.

Acts15:2 "This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute on the matter of Circumcision.

Galatians 2:11-14, The disciples practiced hypocrisy "they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel", God's people led by holy spirit

Was it a pagan doctrines that caused the dispute?

Can a pagan reign with Christ?

But do they die in that wrong teaching?

Why will Russell die worshipping Jesus Christ and believe Jesus died on the cross if those practices are actually pagan?

These are the questions you can't give straight answers to because you will implicate your pagan founder and his team.

Mr Lienus vamoose from here with your Lienus

This is full quote of Gal 2:11-14 so that you can see it's a different case compare to your pagan founder Russell and his team.

11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? NLT

The Holy Spirit must have used Apostle Paul to correct Apostle Peter and he took to correction.

Who did Holy Spirit use to correct Russell and his team that worshipping of Jesus Christ is a pagan practice?

Besides, Russell believes all his teachings are accurate as it wasn't from man but from God Himself.

It's evident that RUSSELL and God were right and today's JWs are wrong.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

The lying liar accolade, follower of a pagan master!

Does the issue of circumcision has any effect on salvation? No!

But do you agree that:
1. Worshipping of Jesus Christ is a pagan practice?
2. Accepting Cross is a pagan practice?

Does anyone who do any of these will leave in paradise or be part of the heavenly chosen?

Now we definitely know you're here forming James Bond while you receive "Expo" from JWs

When a deluded and brainwashed JWs is making himself happy.

When it's evident that you people always go home with different lecture notes here.

Does Mr LIENUS have proof that none of the disciples died while the dispute about Circumcision was going on ?

Mr LIENUS done give everyone of them immortal life on earth wey Jesus never give them at that time

Lying liar JWs following the foot step of his darling daddy the Devil.

Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation.

Why Jesus allowed RUSSELL and his pagan team to die in their pagan practices is still the question that'll continue to torment you people

Maximus69:
Parable is so clear yet Jesus' audience including his own followers didn't understand until Jesus began explanations shey?

At least you know Jesus Himself explained the parables, which means we can understand the parable now inline with scriptures.

I thought you will give a better interpretation nah!

It was plainly said by Jesus in that parable that WEED AND WHEAT WILL GROW TOGETHER and the only time WEED WILL BE SEPARATED FROM THE WHEAT is the end time when Jesus will send His harvesters to gather the weed FIRST and BURN THEM before gathering the Wheat in a ban.

If we go with this, then weed has been burning since 1914 till date.

Do you now see why i've always tormented you saying "present a better performing group"
Just imagine you want to condemn the interpretation of a performing group, you can't present another group and to worsen your condition you can't even interpret the Parable!

I pity your condition!

The only group I can present for you according to scripture is the BODY OF CHRIST which are with many MEMBERS. If you think you're not part of that body then continue with your pagan master.

budaatum:
Sorry Emusan, but there are absolutely no facts whatsoever in support of a flat earth unless you are talking about all those who walked to the edge of the flat earth and fell of it so can not return with facts of what happened to them.

A simple survey will show you that the evidence of flat earth is religious belief, and beliefs are not facts but crap you cook up inside your head and hold on to with no bother to verify their validity.

These are just your personal opinion!

Are you among the people who swallowed the lie that a man made machine called voyager 1 is somewhere in space working for over 40years without maintenance?

Maximus69:
So you don't even know that the Wheat and Weed Parable was a prophetic illustration shey?

Gbà fógàá e!

Jehovah's Witnesses will always silence you no matter how arrogant you may prove to be! Isaiah 54:17

You can now continue crying all over Nairaland!

It's evident you've been exhausted!

That's the irony of a deluded person!

You brought the analogy of Botanic to support the parable, yet I made you understand that even in Botanic WEEDS DON'T ELIMINATE WHEAT

And the parable of Jesus on that is as clear as crystal but can only be twisted by a lying liar JWs.

Jesus will send His HARVESTERS this is supported with Christ own statement that "When He appeared in the CLOUD He'll send all His ANGELS to gather together"

And it's immediately the weed will be turn into BURNING FIRE, so if this has started happening since 1914 it means some people are already burning by fire till now which even your organization is against.

So much for the Bible twisters and lying liar like their father the Devil

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS continuously making FALSE claims ranting like a broken record.

It's the same holy spirit leading Jesus and followers of Jesus.

Mr LIENUS, "Jesus disciples never reached any wrong thing", why were they disputing about the issue of Circumcision?
Absence or presence of holy spirit can not remove imperfections of Jesus followers.

The question you'll never answer still remain, did they die without knowing circumcision is wrong or right?

Mr accolade lying liar

Janosky:
See wetin dey pepper you...

Matt22:44, Acts 2:34-35, Psalms 110:1-2 dey your Bible? Mr LIENUS, take note... Hebrew 1:13
"Yahweh commanded your deity, " Sit at my right hand".. Mr LIENUS, exponent of Jesus is God Almighty Fraud

Mr accolade lying liar JWs!

No more reasonable things to say than ranting and spewing thrashes.

I know your type before

Maximus69:
Whether you believe it or not is none of my own problem but know that it was a Parable and the wheat represents those who are keenly interested in knowing exactly what Jesus taught, during the dark ages they were subjected to fear due to the overwhelming influence of the weeds so they only worship in different religions claiming Abrahamic enlightenment include Islam until 1914!

Now it's a parable but you first cited it!

Whenever your lies and delusions are exposed the next is to shift post.

From the parable and botanics it's evident that WEEDS NEVER ELIMINATE THE WHEAT which means no matter how the weed may be WHEAT will still be found there.

So this nullified your lies.

Of course they existed, Russell and his team were part of them lost in different Abrahamic religions!

Look at @underlined and see how lost you are.

What of before RUSSELL WAS BORN?

So where are the rest who are not part of Russell team?

[quote]The same scriptures which the Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes, John the baptist and other Jewish Rabbis had was what Jesus used in teaching new things about God's Kingdom. He didn't fabricate anything new. So it's possible for Satan to blur the senses of scholars most especially when they're already intimidated from expressing themselves freely. Note that before the time of Russell and his team, anyone who speaks against the teachings of the churches of Christendom will be executed like William Tyndale!

So do you agree people like William Tyndale are TRUE CHRISTIANS?

Are they going to be part of heavenly ones?

It took Jesus more than 3 years to preach, teach and form a group, it took him another 65 years to reveal the remaining information found in the Bible book of Revelations when most of his followers have died, so there is nothing new in his style of teaching!

So which NEW THINGS did Jesus taught Russell and his pagan team that the early Christians didn't know about?

You agree the early Christians don't worship Christ and believe he died on the cross

So why will Jesus teach Russell that?

As for condemnation, it's only arrogant people who can never be part of his group, as for sinners (people who agreed that they might be wrong) that's exactly those he came to save! Matthew 9:13

So who are you to know who is arrogant or not?

Are you God?

Whatever anyone believe before they began taking correction from Jesus is bygone!
He chose them because of their willingness to make amendments!

So what exactly was the CORRECTION Russell took from Jesus when he still died in worshipping Jesus?

Then how do you know Jesus is not correcting many people again?

This is where you err in the understanding of the scriptures, someone may be helped by the spirit but not inspired! It is the fruit of God's holy spirit to be patient with time many things will be revealed, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told his followers that a spirit will continue to remind them of the things he taught them {John 14:26} so as they continue earnestly digging deep and humbly praying for God's holy spirit, the truth will be revealed with time! Proverbs 2:1-5

just a pity, you can be helped by spirit but not inspired, DID RUSSELL NOT CLAIM INSPIRATION FOR HIS TEACHINGS?

So which one is true:
1. Russell was helped by the spirit but not inspired?
2. Russell was inspired but was not helped by the spirit?
3. Russell was both helped and inspired by the spirit?

Jesus taught those things in PARABLES, so if you're not careful to meditate on the botanical aspect of what often happens when weeds are allowed to grow alongside wheat you can never understand the illustration. Of course the weeds will overshadow the wheat and make it really difficult for someone who is not careful to collect. Note that Jesus said the world is the farm and the angels are the reapers so his wheat were scattered in different religious groups until 1914 when his angels began picking them together into one single group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Mr parable, it's now you know it's parable.

But does it negate the fact that WEED NEVERS ELIMINATES WHEAT?

But you claimed Jesus Himself came in 1914, when the same Bible you cited says otherwise....

Lying liar.

Of course the judgment is ongoing presently nah!
Why do you think all of you are crying against just one single group whereas you're all hiding your various religions with contradicting opinions and conflicting doctrines under the same Jesus, when a global family of peace loving worshipers have emerged in your eyes?
Come on my guy, it's the torment of the rich man in Jesus' illustration that's happening presently, your frequent agitation over the works of JWs is tormenting you and your cohorts so you're begging God (father Abraham) to tell us to cool your thirst, is that not why you've been asking series of questions all because of the chasm between us?
My guy if you don't know, better know now, the judgment is ongoing presently!

So the judgement you read about in that verse is people crying against your lying organization.

Wonder shall never ends

If you're happy with your FAITH that's having LOVE, JOY and PEACE, then why are you so bitter about what someone you think is an irredeemable liar believe? torí Olórun!

Simply provide the fact I asked you oh yeh hypocrite!

Says the deluded JWs who keep jumping over every post on religion section of Nairaland restlessly.

Janosky:
Very uncouth of you, Mr LIENUS. You lack SENSE and manners

See frustration of a lost soul!
See who is talking about lacking sense and manner
Hypocrite!

Janosky:
1&2, Jesus disciples stuck to Matt4:10, and Mark12:29-30, NONE of them worship Jesus.

Then why did Russell and his pagan team worship Jesus?

Did Matt 4:10 & Mark 12:29-30 lost in Russell Bible that time, before he promotes the worship of Jesus Christ?

(3). STOP making mockery of yourself.
If Jehovah's servants of the first century knew everything, would they need holy spirit to guide them?
Would they wrongly predict that God's kingdom have arrived immediately?

That's why I always say you lack simple comprehension!

Holy Spirit came as the greatest teacher and the disciples' knowledge were brighten and they never reached any wrong thing because the Holy Spirit is a working in them.

Now, Russell claimed the same Holy Spirit was with him, yet promotes the worship of Jesus Christ, believe Jesus died on the cross.

But today the same Holy Spirit says Jesus shouldn't be worshipped and he didn't died on the cross.

Can you see your delusions?

Mr LIENUS, 2 Thess1:7-9 have ZERO connection to your fictitious claim

You can tear it from your demonic translation.

Matt22:44, Acts 2:34-35, Psalms 110:1-2 dey your Bible? Mr LIENUS, take note...
"Yahweh commanded your deity, " Sit at my right hand".. Mr LIENUS, exponent of Jesus is God Almighty Fraud

Just keep ranting as usual without addressing the main issue.

Deluded Mr accolade.

Janosky:
1)
Did you kill everyone who was in Russell's Bible study group?
Who told you every follower of Jesus Christ was alive to grab all his teachings?

1. But do they know Jesus is not to be worshipped?
2. Do the early Christians know Jesus is not to be worshipped?

2)
WAYO man Jesus is Yahweh FRAUD.
John 20:17, Jesus is ascending to meet himself FRAUD man.
Joshua 5:13-15, Jesus is the Angel of his Lord, Yahweh.
Mr LIENUS lacks SENSE, let this word "OF" , reset your brain whenever you here that statement, "Angel OF the Lord,Yahweh".,2Corinthians11:31.
Na Yahweh the angel is working for, Ode.

Mr accolade lying liar JWs.

If you use sceipute to proof Jesus is Angel Michael

1. Was these scriptures not available during the time of Russell?
2. Who inspired that Jesus isn't Michael?

These are the questions that'll continue to expose your fraudulent doctrines.

3) Mr LIENUS no get SENSE.
It will take place in this sequence:
2 Thess1:7-9 , Judgment.
John 5:28-29, Resurrection.
Revelations 5:9,10 , Millennium reign of Christ to correct the resurrected mankind and righteous survivors to perfection.

The deluded JWs here again.

If it's in this order then your fraudulent doctrines are keep exposing the more

7And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. NLT

Fact from this scripture:
1. Jesus will come with His mighty Angels, Do this happen in 1914?
2. Bringing judgement on those who don't know God and those who refuse to obey the good news of Lord Jesus, has this been achieved?
3. They will be punish with eternal destruction, when do this happen?

This is an evidence that second coming of Christ is different from the fraud presented by your lying organization.

I know you'll just come and rant again without addressing the main point.

Maximus69:
Are you through with your questions?

One thing that's tormenting you is
you can only ask questions out of a wounded heart, but you can't be the judge at the same time!


Stop hurting yourself, emotional blackmail won't stop us from preaching, teaching and practicing what we believe. I'm only telling you the reason for what i believe, i'm not forcing it on you and neither can you force me to abandon my FAITH.
So if you've got no further questions i'll leave you for now, but have it at the back of your minds that millions are reading what you and i are typing, they'll decide for themselves! Matthew 7:28-29

God bless you!

Imagine, see the frustration of a lost soul!

No wonder you're so restless on Nairaland jumping from thread to thread being tormented.

So if you're not forcing it on people, why so much restlessness in your life?

They'll decide because they know who is twisting the scripture.

Maximus69:
They discovered God's Kingdom will be restored in 1914 and it was so, that's why Jesus came back invisibly after ousting Satan and his demons out of heaven!

I don't even need to go to the fraud of 1914 because it's visible to blind.

The first century Christians knew the truth because Jesus taught them but after his ascension, Satan came to sow weeds in their midst. If you study botany you'll understand that for you farm to sprout well you must uproot the weeds {Matthew 13:24-30} otherwise they will overpower your seeds that's exactly what happened to the TRUTH Jesus laid down back then! That's why he said "when i return, will be i still meet this FAITH?" {Luke 18:8} of course he was contemplating how Satan and his cohorts will turn everything upside down!

I wonder how you people will bring an analogy yet fail to reconcile it with your point. That's pure dullness.

The WHEAT didn't FINALLY eliminate by the WEED this is known by any farmer which means even though there are weeds but it still ABOUND WHEAT among them.

So between the 1st century Christians and the time of Russell, there should be many WHEAT that still remain.

Russell did not fall from the sky, himself and others were the wheat in false religions claiming Christians, that's why Jesus collected them together from different religious groups where they've been serving faithfully under false religions.

So there was not WHEAT before Russell was born.

Then it means the WEED finally eliminated the WHEAT, is that what you read from your own scripture?

Of course their understanding began increasing after Jesus brought them out from Christendom {Revelations 18:4} so Jesus was patient with them as they were willing to accept correction!

How long will it take them for this understanding to be increased?

1. The Bible is already there
2. Holy Spirit as the greatest teacher has already in operation
3. Even adding your lie of Jesus invisibly came to the same people.

So why would they be in this DARKNESS for many years?

What is the essence of Bible, Holy Spirit and Jesus Himself if is still take them years and even died into this wrong teaching?

John and Jesus declared all those who could see the reforms taking place in their presence yet decided to pitch their tents against it! Matthew 3:7-9 ~ [John the baptist] Matthew 12:31-32 ~ [Jesus Christ]
Note that both of them never condemned anyone for blunders but pigheadedness after seeing the fine works of those having God's backing!

You've brought the issue of CONDEMNED again later you'll start twisting your lying mouth.

So how do you think Jesus will now COMDEMN anyone?

And most importantly, the question you're still dodging is, if Jesus actually came with The Holy Spirit to Russell and his pagan team, why did they died in WRONG TEACHING?
I've answered this so carefully read it again
Jesus' work wasn't meant for just the little group that began the reforms, their part is to set the pace for others coming after them to continue with the reform process, since they switched quickly to the little they're able to grasp, God is pleased with them. Remember that John the baptist laid the groundwork to welcome the Messiah yet he died not knowing all about the truth, otherwise his followers won't need to start asking Jesus questions regarding fasting! Matthew 11:2; Mark 2:18

You didn't!

Russell and his pagan team died believing:

1. Worshipping of Jesus Christ is right
2. Jesus died on the Cross
3. They are herald of Jesus

So of what important did Jesus select them if not to change all these wrong teachings?

But alas, Jesus couldn't correct all these but started later, very pathetic!

(1)The essence of Jesus' coming is to gather the lost sheep of the house of Israel (humble people who want to worship God acceptably) so the little they're able to grasp is enough all what is required is to obey the last order they knew even if it's just little they'll continue to learn more in Paradise! Luke 23:43
(2) Yes Jesus spent 33 1/2 years and after his resurrection he opens their minds but they didn't grasp everything immediately, that's the work of God's Holy Spirit to continue from where Jesus stopped {John 14:26} so those who died before the Bible book of Revelations was given to Apostle John in the year 96ce missed out in those sacred secrets!

But they know where they can find the quote "lost sheep of the house of Israel" in the Bible but couldn't find that Jesus is not to be worshipped.

Many years before Russell was born, Bible is already in plain English which is the very own Russell tongue.

So tell me, how the truth in the Bible in the 1st century to Russell time difference from now that made you know so much than him despite claiming to be inspired by the Holy Spirit?

(1) The misconception is the result of Satan's weeds that overshadowed Jesus' wheat! Matthew 13:24-30
(2) Jesus' wheat has the Bible but due to being outnumbered by the weed they couldn't connect one another until the reforms began when Jesus returned in the spirit! Matthew 13:38-40

See another bold twisting of the scripture!

Jesus didn't say, the WEED will overshadow the WHEAT but they'll grow together and ON THE LAST DAY, they'll be separated!

So, it's evident that there will always abound a WHEAT.

So how many WHEAT were there before Russell was born?

27 “The farmer’s workers went to him and said, ‘Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! Where did they come from?’ 28 “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed. “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked. 29 “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’” NLT

You can see Jesus Himself isn't the HARVESTERS (plural) because Jesus Himself said "He will send His ANGELS to gather all His followers at the four CORNERS of the world"

This is judgement time!

The more you realize the damage wrong watchtower teaching has done to you the easier for you to loose yourself from the pan of yoke.

Let them prove it by making LOVE JOY and PEACE reign in their midst just as Jesus foretold that we'll see in the midst of his own TRUE followers! Matthew 5:13-16 compare to James 2:18-26

And who told you there's no LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their midst?

Can you provide a video of any gathering of the TRUE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST where they're using chair and table to fight each other?

A statement from my JWs girlfriend "My Aunty died unhappy" why? because of what the organization did to her...

Like I do say, you can keep claiming false love, joy & peace for your organization but the reality is on ground.

If it's not lost Christians won't take up weapons against one another in the name of Politics and Racism {Matthew 26:52 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10, 14:33} that's happening before the reforms Jesus made after 1914!

So you're claiming before 1914 100% of Christians then we're LOST CHRISTIANS and participated in the WAR, POLITICS AND RACISM?

You're just irredeemable liar!

Maximus69:
The difference is clear between accurate and more accurate Sir!

There are things a Muslim, Churchgoer, JW will say about Jesus that's accurate but what makes the difference is the result {James 2:18-26} of accurate knowledge about Jesus the Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Micah 4:1-3
If the teachings failed to unite all the adherents as one just as Jesus fervently prayed for {John 17:20-23} then there is still room for more adjustments!

Just keep deluding yourself!

The disciples found a man performing miracles in Jesus name and the disciples thought since the man wasn't following them (They and Jesus up and down) or part of their group they should stop him.

John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn’t in our group.” 39 “Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs a miracle in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me. 40 Anyone who is not against us is for us. Luke 9:49 NLT

That would have been a perfect time for Jesus to talk about a GROUP by claiming since the man didn't belong to His group then he has nothing in Him but no He said "Anyone who is not against us is for us"

Notice: This man didn't even engage in any sort of teaching but just performing miracles in THE NAME of Jesus.

Janosky:
After JWs give you, this "Expo", you go twist am dey confuse sheeples wey no know dia left from dia right .

Just as your deluded organization is confusing you because you don't know your left from your right.

John 15:15. 16:16-18, Jesus Christ is teaching his disciples, he was even with them.. but them no grasp everything he taught them.. they still make mistakes.
Luke chapter 24, Jesus continuously correcting them after his ascension...
Receive SENSE

But did they still grab His teachings or they all died WITHOUT GRABBING THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS?

You'll never receive sense

*2)
Joshua 5:13-15. Jesus christ is the angel...., Jesus is the same angel in the book of Daniel fighting for Yahweh's servants.
Yahweh the only true God, can never be an angel. . Go and beg your trinitarian scholars who are aware to school you

So you have Bible as a guidance to know this yet back and forth confusion about Jesus is Michael.

1. Jesus is Michael
2. No! Jesus isn't Michael
3. Yes! Jesus is Michael

Who taught the second wrong teaching "Jesus Himself and the Holy Spirit or Satan?

*3) Bros, not everyone knew of Jesus Christ ascension, likewise , not everyone will know he is executing judgment. 2 Thess1:7-9

Is it every human that believes Jesus is the Christ?

The few ones who know about it, did they see Jesus IN THE MANNER HE WAS TAKEN UP"?

You can see the confusion I'm talking about!

Your brother says Jesus second coming is to gather the lost sheep of the house of Israel and be teaching/correcting them but you said Jesus is executing JUDGEMENT.

Which is what I even told him that the second coming of Christ is about judgement not teaching or correction.

You can see the person who is giving "expo"

Blind leading the blind!

achorladey:
Janosky: Apollos & Priscilla are members of Jehovah's Organization.

Achorladey: Apollos and Priscilla are members of WTBTS I hear you. At least I know you understand what made you a member.

Tell him to provide you the watchtower publications and Awake magazines Apollos & Priscilla read

Maximus69:
You're still repeating the same question Sir.
The whole Churches of Christendom have gone off course, but Russell and his team were working on how to restore Christianity back to how it was in the first century. They discovered that God's Kingdom will be restored in 1914 but they don't fully understand how this would be done. So when 1914 finally came Jesus who got enthroned that year began correcting the misconception this humble group had.

Just see your double lying mouth dancing around.

"THEY DISCOVERED THAT GOD'S KINGDOM WILL BE RESTORED IN 1914" Isn't you who once said "Jesus CAME INVISIBLY"

Then how can Jesus be correcting misconception when the 1st century Christians already know the truth with Bible provided as a guide?

Jesus claimed he came to bear witness to the truth {John 18:37} so as long as you want the truth Jesus take you as his friend {John 14:6} remember that Satan sowed weed in the midst of Jesus' wheat and it has grown over the centuries, so all those who were killed for the truth throughout those times became Jesus' friends automatically.

The fact that SATAN SOWED WEED in the midst of JESUS' WHEAT shows that there have always been TRUE CHRISTIANS all this while before Russell, if not it won't be in the MIDST OF JESUS' WHEAT but ELIMINATING JESUS' WHEAT.

Who are the JESUS' WHEAT during the time of Russell?

Do they worship Jesus?
Do they claim Jesus died on the cross?

When Jesus first arrived in the first century what he made a matter of serious concern was to gather the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 15:24} of course they were lost in the sence that they need the accurate knowledge of God's word.

This statement has nothing to do with the second coming of Christ

So all the blunders they've been committing until the arrival of the Christ will be overlooked[b]

Then who told you all the blunders people have been committing won't be overlooked by the same Jesus again?

And most importantly, the you're still dodging is, if Jesus actually came with The Holy Spirit to Russell and his pagan team, why did they died in WRONG TEACHING?

What is the essence of Jesus teachings when this people still died in wrong belief?

Jesus mission on earth spans a space of just 3 YEARS and within 40days after resurrection Jesus has opened the eyes of His disciples to UNDERSTANDING.

We see the effect in their life not years later but few days.

if only they humbly accept correction through the teachings of Christ![/b] The same thing Jesus did was to start correcting the misconceptions of his humble friends just as he did in the first century, whether in the flesh or in the spirit Jesus' attitude towards helping humble people remains the same! Hebrew 13:8

How can there be a misconception when there are already 1st century Christians who are TRUE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST and a Bible for Guidance?

Most important, when Jesus wheat are still abound everywhere?

Jehovah is the one who anointed Jesus and enthroned him so that means the same thing!

It's not the same thing!

1. Yahweh Himself bears witness of Jesus
2. The Holy spirit bears witness of Jesus Christ
3. The Apostles bear witness of Jesus Christ
4. Jesus Himself said "You shall be MY WITNESS"

That's why everything the TRUE WORSHIPPERS OF YAHWEH did are all IN THE NAME OF JESUS because there's no name under heaven given for man to be saved except Christ name!

It's not just one man or a few that Jesus came to correct Sir, he must first help his humble friends (Church) to regain Christianity so that the FRUIT of God's holy spirit which the world is seeing now amongst Jehovah's Witnesses {Matthew 5:13-16} will serve as a witness that Jesus is now around doing his work as the PRINCE of PEACE {Isaiah 9:6-7} without this if Jesus should come to destroy ignorant people who never had the opportunity to compare and contrast between falsehood and true Christianity that's unjust!
Please keep asking the questions, even if you are not interested in knowing the answers others may see the light through our discussion.
Thanks for your time and may God bless you!

What is the essence of REGAIN CHRISTIANITY when the teaching and practice never lost and even when a BOOK for guidance has already available?

It's either what RUSSELL and his team believe is the actual teachings of Jesus or you people are wrong.

No two ways about it!

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS
WAYO man, exponent of Jesus all knowing Fraud
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John 16:30-32, Jesus knowing the thoughts of his disciples, not proof he knows of the event in Matthew 24:36
Please don't stop embarrassing yourself

Cc: bingbagbo

If not because you're so delusional, you can't provide a screenshot which refute your claim and still be opening your dirty mouth.

This is from the Albert Beines you quoted "...he showed that he clearly understood their doubts; and when he gave them an answer so satisfactory without their having inquired of him, it satisfied them that he knew the heart,..."

Who else knows the THOUGHT and the HEART of man if not only God?

The second screenshot is even worst and shows how you can twist people work.

Here it is: "They think that the day has already come when they shall ask Him nothing, for He knows all things, and communicates to them the fulness of truth."

The Ellicott can say Jesus knows ALL THINGS and you still make it look as if he was supporting your lying mouth when you're even the one who cited it, then you're irredeemable.

Maximus69:
Just as Muslims, Churchgoers and Jehovah's Witnesses also knew about the Christ, so what remains is to explain the way of God more accurately, on that the GB we trust to do justice, just as Apollos trusted (believed) the advanced learning about the Christ from Aquila and Priscilla!

So you agree that Muslims and churchgoers are actually SPEAKING and TEACHING accurately the things about Jesus.

Do you know the meaning of someone doing things ACCURATELY?

I know you people lack understanding of basic English

Maximus69:
Jesus said let them grow together {Matthew 13:24-30} so the falsehood Satan planted spread everywhere until Jesus came in 1914, he searched the whole earth until found a group that's prepared to start making amendments so only the Bible students were prepared to start making the needed changes and reforms.

And Jesus still taught them lies that He is God who needs to be worshipped.

If the First Century of the Christians already have the TRUTH there's no need for Jesus to come and start teaching the truth besides, the second coming of Christ is for judgement not teaching.

Jesus came as an invisible mighty spirit so all his earthly disciples must be humble enough to grasp when the needed reform come, note that when he was here visibly his followers still don't easily grasp what he was teaching them. So it's not a surprise if his followers are finding it difficult to grasp what he's telling them in the spirit! but Jesus is an understanding counselor so he's patient with them!

If Jesus actually came as an invisible mighty Spirit, it means Jesus was the one personally teaching Russell and his team.

Then why did Russell and his pagan team still die worshipping Jesus?

Is it Jesus who taught them that or who?

Jehovah and Jesus are not looking for perfect humans but sinners (those prone to error) all what they want is humble people who are ever willing to adapt to any circumstances. Jehovah is the one molding us and he knew the enemy hunting us so whoever is unwilling to take orders can't survive the end! Zephaniah 2:2-3

This doesn't address my point!

Who taught Russell that worshipping of Jesus Christ is good?

Who taught RUSSELL that Christ died on the Cross?

Who taught RUSSELL that he should be an Herald of Jesus Christ and not Jehovah?

If as you claim, Jesus actually came invisibly in 1914 and started correcting people from wrong teachings, then what is the essence of Jesus corrections when the same people still died believing what you called pagan practices today

krushdripper:
False assumption, I'm better than that. If you understand how religion is a hoax, never updates it's data & full of unrealistic ideas & events, you'll know why science & religion have never agreed.

I can see your obsession with religion but who is talking about religion here?

Are you the only one who know about science?

Facts are being presented here and you never counter any one with your undeniable fact.

I know you're among the people who believe a man made machine called voyager 1 is somewhere in space working for over 40years without asking yourself;

1. who is maintaining this machine up there?
2. Can we find any machine made in 70s that is still functioning properly in our physical world today with constant maintenance? Not to talk the one without maintenance.

achorladey:
Just like they shifted goal post up till the extent of saying JESUS support IDOLATRY.

The question up there becomes interesting.

Very pathetic!

Notice this!

RUSSELL and his pagan team claimed God's inspiration for their works.

If God truly inspired them, then their teaching must be true and remain true.

If God didn't inspire them, their teachings will surely go against the scripture.

So for Russell and his team to worship Christ till they died without correction from God means God is pleased with their teachings (if even God actually inspired them).

But the deluded JWs wants us to accept these fact:

1. Russell died worshipping Christ
2. Russell died believing Jesus died on the Cross
3. Russell champion "Herald of Jesus Christ" e.t.c

But Russell and his team will still be part of chosen one when many people who hold this type of teaching will not be resurrected back to life talk less of being part of heavenly ones.

His god must be a partial one, not the impartial God describe by the Holy scripture.

Maximus69:
Jesus was enthroned in 1914 and he started ruling from then, he came down and began directing his group with God's Holy Spirit so gradually "God's Holy Spirit" started making changes in all the blunders they've been making before then! John 14:26


God's Holy Spirit!

Who are "THEY" that are making blunders?

Russell and his pagan team or people before him!

How come Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ came in 1914 but the wrong teaching still continue till 1950's?

Are you staying Holy Spirit together with Jesus didn't know what they are doing?

Who inspired that:
1. Jesus is angel Michael?
2. Jesus isn't angel Michael?
3. Jesus is angel Michael again?

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Bonus point

So Jesus came down and nobody saw Him?

The Bible must be lying when it says:

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

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God doesn't condemn people for their wrong beliefs, but for opposing the works of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 12:31-32} no matter how wicked you may be or how devilish your beliefs, God still takes you as a straying sheep {Luke 23:41-43} condemnation commence when you notice the fine works of God's Holy Spirit and you willingly start speaking abusively against it! Hebrew 10:26

But you just said nobody will condemn the disciples of John for dying with John teachings.

Is it not the same Holy Spirit you said teaches Russell and his pagan team for wrong teaching.

No they can't be because God's Holy Spirit only baptise those who have been baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit {Matthew 28:19} the baptism they got from John is not complete that's why John himself will not be part of the chosen! Matthew 11:11
Thanks!

So a pagan worshippers RUSSELL and his team will be part of the heavenly chosen.

That's wonderful!

Everyone can see that, you're still justifying the unjustifiable thing by smuggled RUSSELL into the chosen one when many people also baptized in the name of the Father, son and Holy spirit before Russell even born.

That's why you'll continue to proof people right that you're unintelligent.

Maximus69:
Apollos was helped to gain accurate knowledge about the Christ whereas he was preaching about the same Christ boldly but all what he knew was the teachings of John the baptist! Act 18:24-26

And the question still remains, who helped Russell and his pagan team to gain accurate knowledge about Jesus Christ?

Russell and his pagan team died believing Jesus was crucified on the cross and even more the herald of Jesus Christ not Jehovah

So who gave them this accurate knowledge?

So many of his former disciples of John died with what John taught them but do you think they will be condemned for not getting it all in their lifetime?

So why do you think God will condemn other for what they believe in their lifetime?

Also, does this mean those disciples of John who died with John's teaching will be part of the heavenly chosen of Jesus Christ?

The more you try to shift goal post for Russell and his pagan team the more you'll be shooting yourself.

DappaD:
Please, can you stay off my mentions?

Then stay away from NL

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

He's looking for excuse to distract us from the main point again.

This same Jesus is the person who came changing the mentality of Jews who thought they understood God's word back then o!

Why must there need for Jesus TO COME and change their mentality?

Simply because Jesus didn't want them to die in their wrong thought.

But why did the same Jesus allow Russel and his pagan team died in wrong belief? Is still a mystery question anyone of you can't answer.

Even John who was sent by the same God still needed to learn new things from Jesus! Matthew 9:14 compared to Matthew 11:2-6

So where did Russell and his pagan team learn new things from?

So it's the same Jesus each generation of those putting faith in him will continue to learn new things because he deals with imperfect humans due to the level of their understanding,

Learning new things don't negate THE TRUTH

sorry Sir his system of revealing the truth gradually as in bit by bit will never change! Hebrew 13:8

So you mean the gradual revelation of truth by Jesus is to tell Russell that He is God and Russell and his pagan team should worship Him, then later reveal that worshipping of Him is wrong.

Or using Cross was right and later reveal that it was wrong.

Or He is Micheal but later I'm not Michael then later again I'm Michael

A lying organization whose Satan is their founder.

DappaD:
Well said, brother Maximus69.
But allow me to kindly suggest you read up the Awake! issue of October 2008 for more light on this.

After commending him with "WELL SAID" why do you still go ahead to recommend a book for him for MORE LIGHT?

Because you knew he goofed big time and that thought was totally out of the reach of watchtower society instead of you to correct him openly. you're commending wrong thing.

I've seen you've tried to call him to order many times but the truth is, he doesn't have life outside NL