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Barristter07:
U can't claim Jesus exist in God's nature and have flesh and bones. U are damn confused
God's nature/form , Does it have flesh and bones ??

So Jesus is now "IT"

God's nature in Christ is still covered by the glorified human nature, the human nature will be done away with after Christ has subdued everything and handed over back to His Father so that "God will be ALL in ALL"

Your tactics to dodge this question won't work, I know your style!

so when will this happened before they died or when they resurrected?

You see the reason I said you lost your senses since.

By the way, who will BORN THE FLESH THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

You already agreed that it's God who BORN THOSE WHO ARE SPIRIT.

ADD:

Scriptural truth is that ALL believers are BORN BY GOD

John 1:12 NLT: "But to ALL WHO BELIEVED him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.

CJB: But to AS MANY AS DID RECEIVE HIM, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God"

In fact, this particular one finally put your lying mouth in a kin.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is THE CHRIST is BORN OF GOD, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 1 John 5:1

So everybody will be a spirit being since they will ALL be BORN of God.

Janosky:
Bros why do you quote 1 John 5:1?

To show you that [b]"Believing that JESUS is THE CHRIST makes you to be BORN of God"

And if ALL BELIEVERS are born of God who is a SPIRIT then WHAT IS BORN OF SPIRIT IS SPIRIT according to your deluded brother.

That means NOBODY WILL LIVE ON EARTH AS FLESH!

According to Emusan the son Jesus is the Father ,God.

Where did I claim that The Son Jesus is the FATHER?

Mr No sense!

Matthew 5:3,5 "the meek shall inherit the earth" (according to Jesus Christ) = 2 Peter3:13.
The Bros get SENSE pass Jesus Christ, for him mind

.[/b]

And the same spirit of Christ through Apostle Paul says "Flesh and blood can't have part in the kingdom of God"

You know pass the Spirit?

Mr No sense!

Barristter07:
Like I sajd, God's nature doesn't have flesh and bones. Since you claim Jesus have flesh and bones , it means He doesn't have God's nature.

Jesus has always existed in God's nature

It's this very nature that you people still confused about.

Your tactics to dodge this question won't work, I know your style!

so when will this happened before they died or when they resurrected?

You see the reason I said you lost your senses since.

By the way, who will BORN THE FLESH THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

You already agreed that it's God who BORN THOSE WHO ARE SPIRIT.

ADD:

Scriptural truth is that ALL believers are BORN BY GOD

John 1:12 "NLT: But to ALL WHO BELIEVED him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.

CJB: But to AS MANY AS DID RECEIVE HIM, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God,

In fact, this particular one finally put your lying mouth in a kin.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is THE CHRIST is BORN OF GOD, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 1 John 5:1

MaxInDHouse:
John is excluded in the kingdom of heavens Sir!

Provide the verse that says so!

By the way we're still at 1 Corinthians 15:50 which says "FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit the kingdom of God"

Which means no FLESH AND BLOOD will live forever on earth, since earth is part of God's kingdom.

MaxInDHouse:
The next thing now is for Emusan to disappear and resurface later only to pick up cheap arguements again!

So you think everyone is jobless as you do by parading up and down on Nairaland.

Barristter07:
Jesus is not in God's nature since he has flesh and bones.

He has ALWAYS EXISTED in God's nature....

How many times will I knocked that into your

So been born again happen when someone is ressurected, you Sha wan prove to me say you don't have sense

So is it not at RESURRECTION this CHANGING FROM HUMAN TO SPIRIT WILL HAPPEN?

Which is why you said they'll be IN LIKENESS of CHRIST.

I've forgotten you list your sense since.

Fact is They will become spirit beings just as Jesus .

so when will this happened before they died or when they resurrected? You see the reason I said you lost your senses since.

By the way, who will BORN THE FLESH THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

Barristter07:
You have make many errors on this thread.

And you couldn't point them out!

More reasons your words can't be taken Serious,

because one deluded JWs says so!

That's just one. Okay explain the verse since we now know John isn't the least .

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Among them that are born of women - This is an emphatic way of saying that there "had never" been a greater "man" than John. See Job 14:1.

He that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he - The phrase "kingdom of heaven" is used in many senses. See the notes at Matthew 3:2. It here probably means, "in preaching the kingdom of God," or the gospel. It could hardly be affirmed of the obscurest and most ignorant Christian that he had clearer views than Isaiah or John; but of the apostles of the Saviour, of the first preachers who were with him and who heard his instructions, it might be said that they had more correct apprehensions than any of the ancient prophets, or than John.

Barristter07:
God's nature (Spirit being ) doesn't have flesh and blood.

Then who says God's nature have flesh and bones?

God is the Spirit that born them, that's why they are called Adopted sons of the Father.


They will become Spirit like their Father. Just as Jesus too ...

Now, that's interesting!

So it's not RESURRECTION AGAIN it's now BORN!

So God BORN CHRIST again when He was resurrected?

Now, who is the person who BORN THE FLESH on earth?

Barristter07:
Show me John is the least person ? U are in trouble today . I need where he said John is the least person.

Of course, that should tell you it was an error!

No where scripture says John is the least and no where scripture says he wasn't in the kingdom of God.

Barristter07:
"the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." Luke 7:28

Bullet breeze don blow, foul yansh have open.

But I didn't see John isn't in the Kingdom of God here!

Barristter07:
at least we know he doesn't have God's nature. Wahala for Trinity

Jesus has always existed in God's nature.

Abi wahala for you idol worshippers.

The bold is the relevant thing to this discussion , Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, so Jesus and the heavenly ones are not flesh and bones.

No wonder you can't answer simple questions

Here again:

But they were BORN BY THE SPIRIT before they
become SPIRIT, who is this SPIRIT that born them?

But they were BORN BY FLESH before they become FLESH, who is that FLESH that born them?

You'll continue to hide from the questions forever on earth.

Barristter07:
I dey love this


You lied John is the least person, since everyone else is greater. Jesus bursted you and said he isn't even there , cos the least person is greater than he is. Definitely he isn't there.

See awkward reasoning for God's sake!

So because John is the least person MEANS HE ISNT THERE!

Does a LEAST PERSON IN CLASS MEANS THE PERSON ISN'T PART OF THAT CLASS?

Barristter07:
Liar , is John the least person ??


Emusan don cast

Yes! John is the least person IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD

Where did Jesus say John won't be part of God's kingdom is the question I'm asking?

Or you don't have Bible with you?

Barristter07:
If Jesus is in God's nature, then he is not flesh and bones. Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones.

So you agree with Jesus when He said that which is a proof of Him resurrected with BODY

@bold.
Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly ... spirit beings

But they were BORN BY THE SPIRIT before they become SPIRIT, who is this SPIRIT?

But they were BORN BY FLESH before the become FLESH, who is that FLESH?

Barristter07:
Genesis 5:2 the title human was given to Flesh and blood.

Revelation 21:3,4 said HUMANS will live forever on Earth.

Attacking strawman again!

This is my post address it well

Where did Jesus say John will not be in the Kingdom of God?

Another erroneous interpretation.

Jesus didn't say John WILL NOT BE in the Kingdom of God but ANYONE WHO MAKES IT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD is greater than John.

Olodo....
Go for Bible study you no gree

By the way, no people will live forever on earth since FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit kingdom of God.

Barristter07:
The least person, the least person, the least person ... Is greater , going by your analogy, John is the least person . You are a Liar.

So the least person MEANS WILL NOT BE PART OF HEAVENLY KINGDOM.

Your brain is definitely paining you!

Show me where Jesus said John won't enter the kingdom of God from that verse liar

Barristter07:
Spirit nature can't add flesh and bones. Spirit does not.

Jesus is not in God's nature. U don enter

See this liar @bold and this is the same person who have been shouting that Jesus (a spirit) borrowed different BODIES

Jesus has always existed in God's nature.

Devil shifts yansh for your lie.

Am concerned about the Fact they what the spirit born , will become SPIRIT. Do u disagree ?

I agree that what Spirit born is Spirit and what flesh born is flesh

So who is that spirit?
Who is that flesh?

Barristter07:


Will John be in God's kingdom since even the least person in the place is greater than him.

You don't know nada , Kobo ... U need help

Where did Jesus say John will not be in the Kingdom of God?

Another erroneous interpretation.

Jesus didn't say John WILL NOT BE in the Kingdom of God but ANYONE WHO MAKES IT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD is greater than John.

Olodo....

Go for Bible study you no gree

By the way, no people will live forever on earth since FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit kingdom of God.

Barristter07:
Focus point 1: God's nature is Spirit . For anyone to have this nature, they can't be flesh and Bones. So stop making noise

Jesus has always existed in God's nature
He came to earth to add human nature setting example for what believers will have at the end.

Focus point 2: Jesus corulers will become SPIRIT beings, same nature as the heavenly one.

But they were BORN OF THE SPIRIT, who is that spirit?

And the people who will live forever on earth were BORN OF FLESH, who is that flesh!

Barristter07:
Let this scripture nail you


" I tell you," Jesus added, "John is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John." Luke 7:28 .

John won't be in God's kingdom ? Or these refer to heavenly life ??


Emusan , you need Bible study

1 Corinthians 15:50 My friends, I want you to know that our bodies of flesh and blood will decay. This means that they cannot share in God’s kingdom, which lasts forever."

Since earth is under God's kingdom, then no FLESH AND BLOOD will be there!

See how the deluded them are changing kingdom of God to HEAVENLY LIFE!

Barristter07:
It means believers body won't decay, any body that turn to dust needs to recreated. Besides Jesus human body is sustained by blood. U can't tell me it's still the same

Ode....if Jesus body wasn't resurrected won't it decay?

What is born of flesh is flesh .. born by humans, remain humans. Revelation 21:3,4 called them humans. Humans are creatures of flesh and blood.

See how your hypocritical mouth is exposed.

BORN OF HUMAN, REMAINS HUMANS but you still claim SOME HUMANS will suddenly become SPIRIT.

So who is this HUMAN that those FLESH AND BLOOD who will live forever on earth will be born from?

What is born of spirit is spirit ... This ones are going to heaven and will be Spirit's like Jesus Christ.

Now a HUMAN WHO REMAINS HUMAN will suddenly become SPIRIT, confused JWs.

That's even notice the point I'm diving at.

The pint is:

Who is this SPIRIT that these ONES born from?

He doesn't have God's nature . Good one

He has always existed in God's nature!

Barristter07:
Sorry ehn , I can feel your pain

As your severe pains l!

A case of identity NOT Nature.

Or you mean he doesn't have God's nature ? then I will take you serious

A case of HUMAN NATURE

He has always existed in God's nature!

Add that to your deluded brain.

All the while before that breaking of the bread, they are seeing Someone, but definitely not the Face they knew, just as Mary's case. Evidences of Materialization.

Yet the voice also wasn't known UNTIL HE BREAKS THE BREAD. Delusion!

So Jesus was borrowing voice too.

Barristter07:
...
U dey mind am. Adam and Eve were not even flesh and blood when they were under God's rulership on Earth.

So Adam and Eve were spirits when they were on EARTH.....

JWs dilemma!

Me: Everybody will have Christ type of resurrection

Jws: No! That's not scriptural. Scripture says, some will become Spirit beings and rule with Christ and 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven", so some will be resurrected on earth with FLESH AND BLOOD.

Me: But earth is under of kingdom of heaven

Jws: Yes!

Me: But you just said above that FLESH AND BLOOD can't inherit kingdom of heaven.

Jws: Yes! People will be resurrected on earth with flesh and blood.

Me: Then kingdom of heaven does not extend to earth then!

Barristter07:
" likeness " When God put dust of Adam together, it's called creation ... That's New body, not transformation.

THE LIKENESS is being MAN with a glorified body, not a spirit being.

So God destroyed Jesus body and he created another spirit being, as you doctrine.

You singlehandedly prove Jesus body wasn't transformed but another was given . Remember what apply to Jesus , apply to his disciples.

The body Jesus died with was raised to live. The same body not another.

Our decayed bodies will be raised to life and those who still alive will be transformed.

**The worst part is that They will be Spirit's (John 3:6 ) , showing Jesus is not flesh and bones

This is my post you're still dodging:

And born of FLESH WILL BECOME FLESH
So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

Case of identity NOT nature.

Case of proof by Jesus Himself.

"It is I Myself"

Barristter07:
Who ask you this ?

Your dull brain!

God's nature is Spirit. And Jesus isnt a Spirit. He is not in God's nature. Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones.

Case closed.

Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones from Jesus mouth Himself.

If it's the same appearance, she won't have problem identifying him before that call. The call refer to his manner of calling her name. , In another instance, they only recognize him BY HOW HE BROKE BREAD . Not appearance . Evidence of Materialization ...

" Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread." Luke 24:35

Another lie from the lying mouth.

Even the verse you quoted goes against you.

"How JESUS was recognized by them WHEN he broke the bread" not THE WAY HE BROKE THE BREAD

Shameless liar.

Mary didn't know who he was . Clearly not the Face he knew. A Gardener !!

So which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Why did Mary turn TWO TIMES?

MaxInDHouse:
Flesh and blood will not be part of the rulers but will surely be in Paradise (where citizens under the rulership of God's Kingdom lives) Luke 23:43

Deluded Maxmumu!

Keep changing the scripture at own peril!

This is what the scripture says "CEV: My friends, I want you to know that our bodies of flesh and blood will decay. This means that they cannot share in God’s kingdom, which lasts forever.

You agree that those who will live forever on earth will be FLESH AND BLOOD and earth will be under God's Kingdom. So there's no hope for you because you won't be part of God's kingdom.

Barristter07:
Romans 6:5 says in the likeness of Jesus ressurection.

The verse is very straight forward, in the LIKENESS OF JESUS RESURRECTION...that is ALL BELIEVERS WILL HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF RESURRECTION JESUS HAVE.

If Jesus body was transformed without decaying, Same would apply to them

Yes! at the resurrection get that into your dull skull.

But we see from the above ,you admitted they will get a new body , likewise Jesus too got a new body . Not transformed. Emphasis on likeness

THE DECAY BODY WILL BE PUT TOGETHER AND GLORIFIED for those who have died but for those who will be alive their body will PUT ON new glorified one.

So which Body would they have. Check the below

The glorified body like that of Christ.

Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones . So when it said what is born of spirit will become Spirit, those having the hope of ruling with Christ won't be flesh and bones

And born of FLESH WILL BECOME FLESH

So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

That's the question!

Na your wahala be that, what is clear is they will become spirit beings, same as Christ.

And Spirit doesn't have flesh and bones

Now it's my wahala but you're fuming in your mouth before.

But Christ claimed to have flesh and bones!

I'm still waiting for this question:

So those who will live forever on earth will be BORN OF WHAT?

Barristter07:
Going by the statement, A Spirit didn't have flesh and bones. It means Jesus is not SPIRIT by nature. The very nature of God, Spirit... Is non existent in Jesus. Jesus doesn't exist in God's nature. .
Like I said , clap for yourself

Olodo...how many times will someone knocked sense into your empty skull?

The divine nature of Christ takes abode in that FLESH!

Christ only set example of how believers resurrection will be like and at the end He will hand over everything back to God, so that God will be ALL IN ALL. Only if your wack mind can comprehend that point.

Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power....When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Going by her closeness with Jesus when he was alive , she won't ever assume such. She clearly saw a different person. Evidence of Materialization

If there's no distance between them and she wasn't crying.

By the way, you're still avoiding my point, why Mary didn't recognize Jesus at their first CONVERSATION until Jesus had to CALL HER?

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 15:50 is delusion to triune idol worshippers,Mr LIENUS

Mr No sense is here with is delusion as usual.

1 Cor15:47-50 "Flesh" is reference to human body/form.

"Born of flesh" in this context is a reference to sinful,carnal life condemned by God. Gal5:19-21. Gal5:6-7. Roman 8:6-8,13.

Every human being is BORN OF FLESH (through human copulation).

That's nice!

So BORN OF SPIRIT is what?

If BORN OF FLESH in this context means sinful, canal life, why do you think Jesus says WE MUST BE BORN OF THE SPIRIT IN OTHER TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD?

Also, you didn't address my question properly,

You are of the opinion that, BORN OF SPIRIT is Spirit which means those who will rule with Christ in heaven fit into that verse and this is to support your claim that Jesus' resurrection isn't BODILY because Jesus is a spirit and those who will rule with him are also resurrected (Born of Spirit) as a spirit!

So those who will live forever on earth ARE THEY BORN OF THE SPIRIT OR BORN OF FLESH?

You've proven that BORN OF FLESH IS SINFUL, CANAL LIFE.

Matthew 6:9-10, "thy kingdom come" (from heaven to earth) According to Jesus Christ and the holy Scripture, God's kingdom extends from heaven to earth.
Matthew 3:3,5. 2 Peter 3:13. Psalm 37:29 the righteous subjects of God's kingdom are not carnal minded, but practice righteousness , Galatians 5:22-24.

Of course, this is the true interpretation of that verse by your organization.

Now, how will people who are FLESH AND BLOOD live forever on earth under God's kingdom when 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "FLESH AND BLOOD will not be part of God's kingdom"?

Janosky:
Matthew 5:5 "spirits inheriting the earth forever" because 1Corinthians 15:50 Emusan wiped it out of his Bible

Deluded JWs has come, always saying senseless things!

The question I'm still waiting for the answer is:

Born of Spirit is Spirit

Born of Flesh is flesh

Who is the Spirit that'll born the ones to become spirit and who is the FLESH that'll born the ones becoming FLESH?

Add:

About that 1 Corin 15:50 the scripture says "Flesh and blood can't inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD"

Now the question is, does God's kingdom extend to earth or not?

Barristter07:
.At least he is not Divine , he doesn't have God's nature . Clap for yourself

Before becoming Human or after resurrection?

So how many human bodies that have been buried didn't rot ??

Paul body didn't rot too ??

Resurrection has not taken place Olodo....

It's at resurrection the decaying human body will be transformed which is what Christ possessed.

U claim it won't rot the went ahead to claim Dust will be glorified, dust means it's no longer existing, Just say u meant another body not transformation ....

Olodo buruku....

People who have died will be raised with a human glorified bodies at resurrection while people who are still alive THEIR BODY WILL BE TRANSFORMED immediately to the glorious body. THE SAME BODY AS HUMAN BUT NIW FUNCTIONING BEYOND JUST THIS DECAYING ONE.

Anyway you already admit the new body is a Spirit body, u are not just reasonable enough to know Spirit body is not physical.

The spirit body is still the one at resurrection get sense.

Those born of Spirit are Becoming Spirit beings.

Which means the SPIRIT is the one who will born them.

Then I asked, those who will live on earth with FLESH AND BONES, who will born them?

Why are u dodging that aspect ?

I asked you that question which you didn't answer

Those who will live forever on Earth are not born again. With the hope of becoming spirit beings

So who born them?

Since those born of spirit are spirit and those BORN OF FLESH ARE FLESH.

Who is the FLESH that provided their OWN FLESH?

First ressurection . Yeah they will become Spirit just as Christ.

Everybody will become Spirit like Christ then!

Barristter07:
Yeah that means he isn't Spirit being na, he doesn't have God's nature. clap for yourself.

Christ exists in God's nature before becoming man!

So now He is still a MAN in heaven setting example for the resurrected ones.

Did it say he didn't see clearly ? ...the verse said Mary SAW the person. It didn't say didn't see him clearly .

So seeing something but not clearly means the thing you SAW wasn't real....your brain is paining you.

U are a fraud, Crying doesn't stop you from seeing those close to you .

You're delusional!
Did I say crying can make you not to see those closing to you

Didn't know who he was ... that's too big . The one Mary saw has a different Face. She even concluded the stranger is a Gardener.

She assumed to be a GARDENER since it's not a place people come and celebrate all the time.

The question is, how does she know the person is a Gardner if the person is too close to her?

Also why didn't any of Jesus disciples ever raise the issue of Jesus appearing with different IMAGES/bodies?

Which body did Jesus ascend to heaven with?

Why will Jesus lie to His disciples that He has flesh and bones when He was just a spirit?

These are the questions you won't attempt but dodging them.