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Maximus69:
You should have understood me better by now, i only add "ARGUMENTATIVE" when you are arguing fruitlessly.

Hypocrite and deluded JWs

But now you labelled another commentator [b]"Wicked" and as someone i know before i decided to reason with you on what could have prompted his comment.

That's why people know you as dull and unintelligent person.

Only you couldn't get the drift of my post!

Chatting with you is meaningless because you often speak out of a mind filled with anger!

But you keep quoting someone with a meaningless post. That shows your life is meaningless.

haddeylium:
I should agree with Jesus about He that is all-knowing
Father-only knows about the day or hour
Neither Jesus or the angels

So, only the Father is all-knowing

So because only the Father knows about the day or hour means He is all-knowing but what of the verses that depicts the same Father of not KNOWING an actions before taking place?

So we can then conclude that the Father isn't all-knowing, do you agree?

That's the problem you people have, when you don't read inbtw contents to know the authors intent.

haddeylium:
If truly Jesus' is all-knowing Why didn't he know about the day or hour?

Do you agree God is all knowing?

Maximus69:
Why do you say so?

He is speaking based on the level of his understanding, the truth remains that once the leader is using a helicopter to preach none of his followers will humbly preach like Jesus did: with foot from house to house and door to door!

Though the Bàbá doesn't know what Jesus preached and taught so he can't lay down the same thing for his gaggles!

Now you didn't add ARGUMENTATIVE your usual rant because you couldn't bear my post and there's a need for you to chat me.

JWs madness!

Amotolongbo:
You Jehova witness do not need it sir. Cos you won’t be able to use your umbrella inside copters and jets

You're a wicked somebody

unclemaths:
Emotions can mislead..
Do not read out of context. Your explanations must align with other portions of the Bible. It's just like simultaneous linear equations: the roots must satisfy all valid factors.

Are you trying to proof that Jesus didn't know all things?

Matthew 24:36
(New International Version)

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

So what does this proof?

John 11:41-42
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”

John 6:44
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.


John 20:17
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father  and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

How does this relate to the thread?

Philippians 2:5-9
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature  of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name

Carefully, think about that @color

 

If anyone disputes these holy writings, then, that person is saying that the son of God did not die for him/her.

The OP also supported his post with scripture.

Are you saying what he quoted aren't part of the Holy writings?

Igbochief001:
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best thing is to have duty free steel import so that companies can import steel as raw materials and use them to produce things ....that's why I look at Nigerians fighting for ajokuta

china has killed steel industry completely

It's a lie, KAM reinforcement is the best local steel in Nigeria markert.

And many Engineers who know the worth are going for it.

I love working with KAM reinforcement!

Janosky:
Peter deny Jesus Christ three times, Bros, go and remove his name from the crown of life, Mr LIENUS

But Peter didn't die in his disbelieve, does he?

The Accolade and lying liar JWs

Janosky:
From Emusan criptures not the holy SCRIPTURES

The Mr accolade is here again!

It is me who wrote Isaiah 48:13

CJB
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summoned them, at once they rose into being.

It is me who wrote Nehemiah 9:6

“‘You are Adonai, you alone. You made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their array, the earth and all the things that are in it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you.

It is me who wrote Job 9:8

He alone spreads out the sky and walks on the waves in the sea.

It is me who wrote Isaiah 44:24

Here is what Adonai says, your Redeemer, he who formed you in the womb: “I am Adonai, who makes all things, who stretched out the heavens all alone, who spread out the earth all by myself.

Your man made doctrine of God uses a creature doesn't have any place in the Word of God.

The LIENUS knows that Job 38:7 and Hebrews 1:2 , John 1:3 are part and parcel of the holy SCRIPTURES inspired by God.

The deluded Mr accolade, Job 38:7 says "...Sons of God" so Jesus was not the only FIRST CREATED being (according to your man made doctrine) at that time but MANY Sons of God!

Just like I do say, you people lack scriptural understanding but always thinking you know it all.

I've explained that Job 38:7 to one of your deluded brother before, that was when God prepared earth to be habitable.

Verses 9-10 still show it was Yahweh who was performing the action not a created being.

9 when I(Yahweh) made the clouds its blanket and dense fog its swaddling cloth, 10 when I(Yahweh) made the breakers its boundary
set its gates and bars,

Unless you want to tell us, this is a creature voice.

Job 38:4-7, Bros RECEIVE SENSE

Sons of God (MANY) contradicts your man made doctrine of ONE CREATURE was used.

You'll never received sense.

Have you delete Hebrew 1:2 from your Bible?

Heb 1:2 corroborates Nehemiah 9:6. Yahweh can't lie to prophet Nehemiah that He ALONE made the heaven of heavens when it was someone who was actually doing it.

So it's either you accept the statement of Yahweh Himself which Heb 1:2 attributed to His Son who is the eternal Word of Yahweh or you continue to die in your man made doctrine.

No two ways about it!

Maximus69:
Sinner simply means 'one who is prone to error' therefore a repentant sinner becomes God's child when he realize his blunder and made a u-turn.
The Organization have always quoted Proverbs 4:18 to remind all members that we began from the scratch when all the religious groups claiming Christian on planet earth have gone off course!

The ability to motivate yourself on self destruction is what makes you jump from thread to thread.

So they made mistakes back then and we are making amendments gradually till today,

What happened to those who died in these mistakes (plural)?

Why would Jehovah allow someone who made mistakes part of His Son's heavenly call?

that's why we are improving while all you TRINITARIANS keep arguing, abusing, insulting and even cursing one another!

Trinitarian is your nightmares, keep feasting on it.

[s]Go and try to reconcile your beliefs with any of your cohorts, then you'll realize how PEACE will reign between you and your TRINITY adherents! [/s]

To the bin!

Janosky:
Cross have ZERO connection to Christianity practiced by Jesus Christ and his followers.
It's a pagan contraption adopted by Christendom

Yet your idolatry leader and organization used CROSS for many years when your created god even started the demonic organization with him.

Maximus69:
That's why TRINITY failed woefully to make sure PEACE reign in the midst of TRINITARIANS!

TRINITY often does everything alone, so you guys don't need to do anything to support it's work but singing, dancing around and waiting for TRINITY to bring about PEACE amongst you all by itself!

Don't bother Sir, i garrit! i garrit!!

Self delusions again and still playing the game of derailing.

All points have been from the scripture but coming with this distracting tactics won't help you.

But Jehovah created Michael (Jesus), assigned him to join in his works

Now see the delusion we're talking about, speaking from both side of the mouth.

So Jehovah ONLY ASSIGNED Jesus to JOIN HIS WORK but the man made doctrine you people have been following is "Jehovah used Jesus to create all OTHER things"

Even if that is granted, which WORK IN PARTICULAR Jehovah assigned to Jesus.

1. Wisdom(Jesus as you claimed for Prov Himself confirmed that it was Yahweh who was doing the act of creation by Himself.

2. YAHWEH affirmed this in Isaiah 44:24, Job 9:8, NEH 9:6 by saying He created it ALONE and by HIMSELF

3. Yahweh also authoritatively said "when I (Yahweh) laid the foundation or when I (Yahweh) made the cloud in Job 38:8

4. To even make the matter worst for you, Yahweh said it was the creation He issued command to DIRECTLY and not another creature. Isa 48:13

5. Yahweh said His own RIGHT HAND laid the foundation of the earth and stretched out the heavens Isa 48:13

6. Job 9:8 says Yahweh ALONE spreads out the heavens and treadeth upon the massive waves of waters.

All these mean God is lying when it was another being doing it and not Himself.

[s]and ever since then Jehovah has been giving other intelligent creatures like Maximus69 and millions of his Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} the privilege to join him as his co-workers {1Corinthians 3:9} that's why Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching their neighbours in preparation for the new world, each of them is first of all humble at heart and secondly they're able to learn what righteosness truly means {Zephaniah 2:2-3} no wonder they're always noticed joyfully sharing with their neighbours what they knew {Malachi 3:16} that's why their own FAITH is working as expected {Hebrew 11:1} unlike all other religions whose FAITH is jobless and dead! James 2:18-26[/s]

Irrelevant!

No hiding place for your delusional

Thanks Mr Emusan i'm getting the drift Sir!

Nobody demands that from you! Keep it to yourself.

Maximus69:
OK i garrit! i garrit!!

TRINITY was talking to itself!

See what brainwash has done to your life!

Still putting effort to deviate from the main point. I know your style.

In case you forget, the question still remains;

If He participated during creation, what exactly did He do? That was the question...

We have seen from the scripture.
~Yahweh created everything ALONE and by HIMSELF!
~Yahweh gave commands DIRECTLY to the things created and not to a creature.

Looking for excuses to deviate from the main point.

Maximus69:
Delusional and shameless liar Maximus69!

Even if stubbornness is blurring your senses, are you also saying God was speaking to nobody when he said
"let us make man in our own image" Genesis 1:26

When foolishness won't allow you to reason,
The Word of God and The Holy Spirit who are eternally one with the Father were there.

Walahi Talahi this your TRINITY no get shame!

Imagine TRINITY no get shame!

oponu

Maximus69:
He participated during creation, when God said "let us make man in our own image" {Genesis 1:26} JEHOVAH was talking to his spirit son Jesus (Michael)
Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John 1:1-5; Colossians 1:15-16

If He participated during creation, what exactly did He do? That was the question...

We have seen from the scripture.

~Yahweh created everything ALONE and by HIMSELF!
~Yahweh gave commands DIRECTLY to the things created and not to a creature.

Maximus69:
So why is his name not known globally like that of Bill Gate?

Truly they think they're wise but became fools
Is Paul Allen not co-founder of Microsoft?

Maximus69:
Please tell us the name he presented to you as his co-owner of Microsoft?

Paul Allen is the name of co-founder of Microsoft.

Can you even see that you lack knowledge?

Maximus69:
Are you saying Bill Gate did not build his business empire by himself?

Yes Bill Gates never claims to build his business empower by himself, you can provide the evidence here.

Maximus69:
Bill Gate built his business empower all by himself, but there are workers who served under him as he was giving them orders on how he wanted his business!

Olodo....

Your man made doctrine of God uses a creature is greatly affecting sense of reasoning.

Can you provide evidence for the @underlined above

Or let me put it this way, kindly provide from Bill Gates own statement where he claimed to do it ALL BY HERSELF?

Even Bill Gates doesn't own MICROSOFT alone.

So God created everything you're seeing today

ALONE AND BY HIMSELF

but he made use of his intelligent creatures like you and i to make life sweeter with Electricity, Telecommunication, Transportation and so on

Shows us where God made use of any creature in the creation account.

Even Isaiah 48:13 has this to say


CJB
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summoned them, at once they rose into being.

CEV
With my own hand I created the earth and stretched out the sky. They obey my every command.

ESV
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

GNT
My hands made the earth's foundations and spread the heavens out. When I summon earth and sky, they come at once and present themselves.

NLT
It was my hand that laid the foundations of the earth, my right hand that spread out the heavens above. When I call out the stars, they all appear in order.”



Not only does YAHWEH making affirmative statement about how His very OWN HAND laid the foundation of the earth and spread out heavens, the most interesting part is @underlined where it was boldly written that THE COMMANDMENTS of Yahweh were directly given to the very THINGS CREATED not to another creature.

But Jesus was his first employee that's all!

So what did Jesus do as first employee of God?

Maximus69:
@bloodofthelamb, it's either you agree with JWs that God created Jesus (Michael) or that God created his own wisdom as your TRINITY cohorts are insinuating.

There's no third option Sir!

Who among us said God created His own wisdom here?

Shameless Lying mouth.

When it's obvious here that you are the very one who that statement should be directed at because you claimed the wisdom in Prov 8 (even when your lying organization says it's wisdom personification) is Jesus Christ and Jesus was a created being according to you yet the Scripture said Jesus Christ is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD.

So it means God created His own wisdom!

You have been shown in various verses and versions how God ALONE and by HIMSELF created heavens and earth, yet you are wallowing in your delusions of God using another creature AGENT which then makes God a liar something boldly written in the scripture.

Here are more verses that put your man made doctrine of God uses a creature AGENT into dustbin.

Job 9:8

CJB
He alone spreads out the sky and walks on the waves in the sea.

CEV
God alone stretched out the sky, stepped on the sea,

DARBY
Who alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the high waves of the sea;

DRA
Who alone spreadeth out the heavens, and walketh upon the waves of the sea.

GNV
He himself alone spreadeth out the heavens, and walketh upon the height of the Sea.

GW
He stretches out the heavens by himself and walks on the waves of the sea.

GNT
No one helped God spread out the heavens or trample the sea monster's back.

In fact I love the way GNT rendered that verse!

And also, it was written here that at creation Yahweh is the one walking on water as supported by Genesis 1:2 but unfortunately for you, your man made doctrine teaches that it's the ACTIVE FORCE of God.

[b]Nehemiah 9:6

KJ21
Thou, even Thou, art Lord alone; Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens with all their host, the earth and all things that are therein, the seas and all that is therein; and Thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshipeth Thee.

ASV
Thou art Jehovah, even thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all things that are thereon, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

CEB
You alone are the Lord. You alone made heaven, even the heaven of heavens, with all their forces. You made the earth and all that is on it, and the seas and all that is in them. You preserve them all, and the heavenly forces worship you.

CJB
“‘You are Adonai, you alone. You made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their array, the earth and all the things that are in it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you.[/b]

The @underlined phrase "and you preserve them all" is the same wording in Hebrew 1:3 when we read that the Son is the one who sustain all creation by His power.

Anuoluwa1234:
Lol .. HV forgotten it at home

But this is an online class

My friend submit your assignment

Maximus69:
Your PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Which one is your own opinion?

Jesus (Michael) in his prehuman existence is the one speaking not some imaginary wisdom Sir!

This is good since you boldly say it's Jesus speaking, now let's look into the text of that Prov 8 and see if it's not YAHWEH Himself speaking.

ANALYSIS OF PROV 8

10 Receive my (Wisdom/Jesus) instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Where was Jesus ever issue instruction in the OT? No where we only know about Yahweh instructions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I (wisdom/Jesus) hate.

We all know only Yahweh ever said to hate evil, pride and arrogant people.

15 By me (wisdom/Jesus) kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me (Wisdom/Jesus) princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

This is what only YAHWEH know for not any created being.

17 I love them that love me (Wisdom/Jesus); and those that seek me (Jesus) early shall find me.


This even nailed your dull brain because it's only YAHWEH people have been SEEKING not a created being, doing so will amount to idolatry.

18 Riches and honour are with me (Jesus); yea, durable riches and righteousness.

Whereas it's only YAHWEH who possesses RICHES and Honor.

21 That I may cause those that love me (Jesus) to inherit substance; and I (Jesus) will fill/bless their treasures.

This is your Jesus claiming to be the one blessing people the only prerogative known about Yahweh throughout the OT.

There was never a time God began possessing WISDOM as an attributes, it has always been his own, just like all other attributes like POWER, JUSTICE, LOVE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS and many more.

That's why we've been telling you that it was the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh speaking there not a created being, that was the time YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH His own wisdom to create heavens and earth which is the reason Yahweh can authoritative says He created heavens ALONE and BY HIMSELF.

The person speaking @ Proverbs 8:22-31 is a separate entity telling us the part he played during creation that's all! John 1:1-5

But the same person speaking said

"26 While as yet he(Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he( Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he(Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he(Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he(Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he(Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he(Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

When the speaker can simply say, "When I was commanded to establish the clouds above or I was commanded to appoint the foundations of the earth."

It was Trinitarians who misinterpreted John 1:1 where they rendered it "and the word was God" instead of "and the word was a god"

How does this relate to John 1:1?

All these verses in the scripture that confirmed Jesus deity always hitting you people hard.

But all these is just paperwork arguement Sir, go and make use of the wisdom your God possessed to unite all of you just as Michael (Jesus) prayed for his followers saying "they should be one" as in having the same line of thought! John 17:21-23

Another Mumbo jumbo!

No wonder, divorce is rampage in your midst and even parent can prevent their daughter from marrying another witness.

Jehovah's Witnesses who claims that Jesus is angel Michael have succeeded in forming one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, whereas LOOK! Politics and Racism is devastating all other religions! Luke 11:23

The same family that hates each other but only pretending to love each other in the Hall.

At least you agreed it's your demonic organization who CLAIMED JESUS is Michael and not the Holy Scripture.

Maximus69:
So the phrase "By myself" appeared in that Bible book we are discussing shey?
Well Jehovah always say so because he's the master brain behind creation but as regards all his works Jehovah always make use of his intelligent creatures giving them the privilege to participate. When he wanted to deliver Israel from slavery he first of all trained Moses (a violent man) to become the meekest man before using him, he made him like a God!
Today God is bringing all people together as one but he is using humans to achieve this, the same way he used Michael during creation!

Always spewing thrashes.

It means God is lying by claiming the creation was done BY HIMSELF AND ALONE!

Of course Jesus (Michael) is his first creature so Michael could say "before everything else i was born" {Proverbs 8:24-25} so the same person explained what he meant by "before his works of old"

Like I do say, if you have studied that Prov 8 very well you won't continue to be living in the delusion of those men.

According to Prov 8, Yahweh Himself was carrying out the acts of creation not another being which the SPEAKER HIMSELF said.

And this was confirmed by Yahweh Himself in Isaiah 44:24 and Job 38

This is what Blabbermouth keep saying, you're now imputing your own interpretation here, the person speaking is not some imaginary wisdom but an entity on his own otherwise he couldn't have been asked to sit at God's right hand if he's not a separate person! Psalms 110:1

See this deluded person, wasn't boldly written from the beginning of the same chapter that it was WISDOM who is speaking and even your demonic organization has once said about Prov 8 as being WISDOM personification.

Jesus is the wisdom and power of your God.

No wonder you don't have mind of your own rather following the doctrine of men.

krushdripper:
For your information OP, I took a flight from Jos to Lagos few months ago & we flew at an extra high altitude for a while where any one with eyes on thier head can visibly see the curvature to the roundness of the earth, so what'd flat motherfreakin earth are you fvcking talking about?? I don't even need to take a flight to be gaddamn certain that the earth is spherical, no insult intended but you must be hella really sick upstairs to argue for a flat earth to this point.

@underlined you can lie ooooo

From inside plane you're seeing earth curvature

Blabbermouth:
Emusan sir, please go ahead.

Before I quote, tell me your own understanding of who God is!

Now another dimension, it's ACCOLADE

Janosky:
**[b]1
WAYO man, does your Bible begin and end with only Genesis?

What does that mean here?

**2)
@ Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2. Isaiah 45:21, Job 4: did Yahweh not ascribe the credit to Himself?
Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades.

Shameless liar!

See dubious interpretation....

Yahweh claimed the accolade, is that how someone claims credit? ode!

ALONE and BY MYSELF.... will forever hunt you.

If you dey reason well, ask yourself:
Was John, Paul and the writers (Solomon) of Proverbs present at the Creation?

Which means Jehovah lied through them.

Not at all...

But Yahweh revealed further info about the Creation to John (@John1:3)
to Solomon (@Proverbs8:22-30)
to Paul (@ Hebrews1:2.
Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son.
@ Hebrew 1:2, John 1:3, Prov8:22-30, the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.

The son is the eternal wisdom and power of Yahweh which Proverbs 8 talks about not a separate created being, that was the reason YAHWEH can boldly say "ALONE and BY MYSELF" because His eternal wisdom is eternally part of Him.

In other words,I built the House Through my son. Is that difficult to understand?

But you can't claim you build the house ALONE and BY YOURSELF

Just as every believers believe that God is the inspiration behind the writing of the scripture but can any believer say "God was the one who personally WROTE DOWN THE SCRIPTURES BY HIMSELF?"

@Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, by inspiration, Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).

Dubious JWs turning AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT into accolade.

Yahweh said he created heavens ALONE and BY MYSELF.

Take note, Paul @ Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, Romans 11:35-36 corroborates Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2.
@Matthew 19:4-6, whom did Jesus give the accolades & credit for Creation?
Yahweh, off course!

Mr accolade....

Hear the word of Yahweh "ALONE and BY MYSELF"

The Bible @ John1:3 @Proverbs8:22-30.
@ Hebrews1:2. , is inspired by Yahweh.

Then why was YAHWEH giving himself ACCOLADE

You said in three different ways
1. Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).
2. the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
3. Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades

Yet it was YAHWEH who inspired ALL THESE ACCOLADE

Mr Accolade Weldon ooo

Be humble and accept it even though it discredited your Yahoo claim of triune deity

Continue to be arrogant and liar

Maximus69:
Please kindly quote the word "myself" in that Bible book!

Lying liar! He didn't even know his own demonic translation has the word MYSELF

"This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I (Yahweh) stretched out the heavens BY MYSELF, And I (Yahweh) spread out the earth. Who was with me?"

Emusan is deceiving himself because the one speaking said from verse 22 "The Lord produce me in the beginning of his works" and throughout that book this person kept referring to someone else NOT himself!

BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD....wo the speaker can't be the first created when he's already exists before the first work begins.

Where Emusan dribbled you is omitting verses 30-31 where the speaker clearly stated that he was beside his Creator working as a craftman or someone rendering service as an hired labourer!

You're still drowning in your delusions.

Was God lying in Isaiah that He did it ALONE and BY HIMSELF and also in Job that "when I"?

Why will God say such when in reality someone was there helping Him?

And he concluded by saying out of all what he worked out with his director he loved humans the most!

Isn't your WISDOM the master worker of whatever you do?

Can you do anything without your wisdom?

Blabbermouth:
Emusan ain't deceiving himself here, He brought it out of the horses' mouth.

You can see it was boldly written in the scripture that God did the creative works ALONE and by HIMSELF

So by this you should know who is calling God a liar.

God said - "MYSELF".... Does this verse 30-31 negate every of the verses he quoted?

To say another being HELPED God is to call God a liar with those undeniable scriptures.

Besides, even the very Prov 8:22 didn't support someone else was already created before Yahweh's work

Hmmm.... Sir Emusan, What say ye?

John 1:3 is enough to show you that nobody HELPED God in creative works because if not it means Jesus created Himself.

Maximus69:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Says the person some group of men are deceiving everyday.

I agree that all what Michael was saying was about Jehovah been the one issuing the orders but please Sir, why do you omit verse 30-31 which reads

Where was the name MICHAEL appeared in those verses? You can see how his boldly lying against the scripture.

[30]then i was beside him as a workman,i was the one he is specially fund of, i rejoice before him all the time [31]I rejoice over his habitable earth and what i loved most (out of the works we did together) were humans"

Like I do say, proverbs 8 isn't what you can used to support your lying doctrine.

Start from the same verse 22 to know the person who is talking wasn't a CREATURE rather an ETERNAL PART OF YAHWEH HIMSELF.

It read "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his (Yahweh) way, before his works of old."

I know what your mind can phantom about this verse is the part the 8 men have blocked your dull head with which is "The LORD possessed me..." but have you ever consider the other part of the statement?
"...in the BEGINNING of his (Yahweh) way..."

This isn't about creation but the very eternity of Yahweh, as this commentator puts it "Man was not by him when he did it (Job 38:4), nor did any creature advise or assist; only his own eternal wisdom and Word was by him then as one brought up with him," Prov. 8:30

In fact, the speaker shows that it wasn't part of Yahweh's work by saying "before his (Yahweh) works of old" Jesus should have been the very OLDEST WORK OF YAHWEH according to your doctrine yet the speaker says he was "BEFORE his works of old"

The more you're trying to use that Prov 8 the more you keep exposing your ignorance of the scripture.

So who was beside who as a craftman? John 1:1-5

The eternal wisdom of Yahweh and when we also know that Christ is the wisdom of God.

Maximus69:
Well it's simple, God began his creative works with just one creature who spoke in the Bible book of Proverbs 8:22-30, there we got to know that when God was saying "let there be" {Genesis 1:3}he was actually issuing orders to this first creature who is carrying out all the works as a master craftman.

I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"

But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Blabbermouth:
Ni bó ni kí a ti bèrè?
Me I don't know much ooo, all I need is a proof of Jesus being Divine becoming Human with the old testament only.

So, how will you understand the question you yourself asked? If you don't know what makes God to be God.

Blabbermouth:
I'm not disputing the eternity... I'm saying eternal in what state? As a person?

And where did the word ETERNITY appear in my post?

Is Christ not a person before?