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Peacefullove:
Quote verse 8 in the ISV , what does it say?

See this hypocrite!

So ISV is more accurate than your satanic translation NWT.

ISV contains the vs 7, do you agree with it?

Shameless hypocrite!

u are a fraud, does verse 7 contain " OF " or " the Word " either . Son and Word are the same Greek word ?

Shameless block headed JWs.

No wonder you can't simply answer my question was verse 8 about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, for Cyprian to have said "IT IS WRITTEN OF the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost...?

A Latin writing of Cyprians time reffering to 1John 5:8

"Moreover, I think also that we have not unsuitably set in order the teaching of the Apostle John, who says that 'three bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one,' ” (A Treatise on Rebaptism, Section 19).


proved that a reference to Verse 8 could contain the exact words Cyprian used. FOR A FACT, Cyprian Only quoted the phrase " and these three are one "

Was this phrase "and these three are one" about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost for Cyprian could have said "IT IS WRITTEN OF...." this is the question you're dodging since and pretending as if you didn't see just because you know it exposes your lies and blocked head.

Even your fraudulent source puts "it is written" after "of the Father, of the Son, and the Holy Ghost" no wonder you couldn't provide the fraudulent source here.

Shameless lying mouth.

if such a verse existed , Cyprian would have made a FULL Quote rather than half . he definitely has no idea of such a verse.

Your shameless lying mouth will continue to be exposed.

Here is the screenshot from the original source of Cyprian statement.

It is evident that, it was Vs 7 he quoted.

Priscillian

Priscillian of Avila in c. 380 AD quotes the Comma:

"As John says, "There are three that give testimony in earth: the water, the flesh and the blood; and these three are one and there are three that give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit; and these three are one in Christ Jesus." (Liber Apologeticus, I.4)


The order of verse 7 and 8 is reversed, but the Comma nonetheless existed by 350 AD, which is the date of the earliest Greek manuscripts against the Comma (e.g. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus).  Some critics dismiss the significance of Priscillian's citation due to  the fact that he was considered a heretic. These critics may even go as far as to say that Priscillian forged the Comma. But Priscillian was considered a heretic because of his extreme asceticism and Manichaeism. Forging the Comma would not have helped in furthering any of these heretical beliefs.

Cyprian

Cyprian (c. 210 - 258 AD) quotes the Comma:


“Dicit Dominus, Ego et Pater unum sumus; et iterum de Patre et Filio et Spiritu sancto scriptum est: 'Et tres unum sunt.'” (Treatise I:6).


"The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one."

The evidence of the Latin writers:

Tertullian

Tertullian (c. 155 - c. 245 AD) makes a truncated reference to the Comma:

"Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, one from the other, which three are one, not one [person], as it is said, "I and my Father are One.""

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Furthermore, Tertullian alludes to the Comma in De Baptismo:

[b]"Not that in the waters we obtain the Holy Spirit; but in the water, under (the witness of) the angel, we are cleansed, and prepared for the Holy Spirit. In this case also a type has preceded; for thus was John beforehand the Lord's forerunner, preparing His ways. Thus, too, does the angel, the witness of baptism, make the paths straight for the Holy Spirit, who is about to come upon us, by the washing away of sins, which faith, sealed in (the name of) the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, obtains. For if in the mouth of three witnesses every word shall stand: while, through the benediction, we have the same  (three) as witnesses of our faith whom we have as sureties of our salvation too, how much more does the number of the divine names suffice for the assurance of our hope likewise! Moreover, after the pledging both of the attestation of faith and the promise of salvation under three witnesses, there is added, of necessity, mention of the Church; inasmuch as, wherever there are three, (that is, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,) there is the Church, which is a body of three."[/b]

Origen

Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD) or Pseudo-Origen quoted the Comma in Selecta in Psalmos (PG XII, 1304):

"Behold, the eyes of bondservants in the hands of their lord, as the eyes of a bondwoman in the hands of their lady, so are our eyes towards the Lord our God, until he may pity us; spirit and body are the bondservants of the Lord Father and Son; but the soul is the bondwoman of the lady Holy Spirit. And the Lord our God is three, for the three are one."

Now let's move to the next stage!

By bringing the support of the early Christians writers.

Let's start from the Greek writers.

Athanasius

By "Athanasius", it is meant Athanasius (c. 296 – 373 AD) or Pseudo-Athanasius (c. 350 - c. 600 AD).  Athanasius quoted the Comma in Disputatio Contra Arium:

"But also, is not that sin-remitting, life-giving and sanctifying washing [baptism], without which, no one shall see the kingdom of heaven, given to the faithful in the Thrice-Blessed Name? In addition to all these, John affirms, 'and these three are one.'"

Athanasius quoted another portion of the Comma in Quaestiones Aliae:

"Even as my soul is one, but a triune soul, reason, and breath; so also God is one, but is also triune, Father, Word, and Holy Ghost....  For as soul, reason and breath are three features, and in substance one soul, and not three souls; so Father, Word and Holy Ghost, [are] three persons, and one God in substance, and not three gods."

I can see you can't provide your fraudulent source again.

Why are you ashamed of providing your fraudulent source.

And this has settled my post about Cyprian statement.

Peacefullove:
No such verse exist , that's why he didn't gave a full quote , but only that phrase written in Verse 8. He applied it because it fit his narration

I remember I gave you a tutorial on different between verse 7 & 8 but blocked head and dishonesty won't allow you to learn, now it has come back to hunt you.

RECAP!!!

This was my previous post

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Let me also tutor you because I know you lack wisdom

This is what appears "τρεις εν εισιν" in the Comma rather than of "τρεις εις το εν εισιν" in verse 8. The Greek in verse 8 has the preposition "εις".

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The reason I brought this back is because I know you lack knowledge of the subject matter but only after lying and distracting and detailing the thread.

Now, from above ONLY in the COMMA (verse 7) you will find "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" according to Greek used while the Greek that appears in verse 8 is translated by all versions as

"the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NWT

NET
the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.

NIRV
They are the Holy Spirit, the birth of Jesus, and the death of Jesus. And the three of them agree.

NIV
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NIVUK
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NKJV
And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

NLV
There are three who speak of this on the earth: the Holy Spirit and the water and the blood. These three speak the same thing.

NLT
the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree.

It's evident that Cyprian actually quoted the COMMA and not verse 8 this is even in support with the MENTION OF THE THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY but your lying mouth said otherwise.

Peacefullove:
Personal expressions are in the quote , agree ?

Concerning which is written , Check your point 3 , there is a special quote " "

If such a verse existed , Cyprian would have directly QUOTE everything rather than a single phrase which occur at verse 8 .

No personal expression anywhere.

Where is your sources?

So where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost was said "AND THE THREE ARE ONE"?

Peacefullove:
Linked with pure personal expression, you don't need to link a direct quote

You haven't provide your fraudulent source.

But it's evident Cyprian isn't quoting verse 8

So we can ask, where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost said to be ONE?

Peacefullove:
You are the fraudster, so the Lord says is not a personal expression ?

Olodo..
The Lord says shows he's repeating what Jesus Christ said
and "IT IS WRITTEN" means he's statement was already put down somewhere.

Jozzy4:
The " OF the son" is more closely related to Matthew 28:19,20 , going by your alluded theory, it's not new for someone to alluded to different quotes in a single statement. Do you notice only these three are one and I and my Father are one are quoted SEPARATELY ?

Cc: Peacefullove

I can see the reason you people are fighting tooth and nail just to discredit Cyprian evidence.

And it's just so unfortunate how you people keep exposing your ignorance of simple English.

1. "IT IS WRITTEN" (that is someone has already jolt it done somewhere)

2. OF the Father, of the Son, and Of the Holy Ghost

3. "and these three are one"

And the COMMA says:

"For there are three who bear witness in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

A good student of English can see the wording of COMMA in Cyprian statement except the liars.

The verse starts with BEARING WITNESS IN HEAVEN and Cyprian argument wasn't about BEARING WITNESS but centered on where THE THREE PERSONS are said to be ONE.

Jozzy4:
We can even say he was quoting Matthew 28:19'20 where Of the Father , of the son , of the Holy spirit appears.
Do you admit there are personal expressions in the quote like peacefullove pointed out ?

Does Matt 28:19-20 have "and these three are one"

No personal expression unless to you fraudsters.

"IT IS WRITTEN of...." makes it clear that he's just referencing what has already been said.

Peacefullove:
Even your source could NOT bail you .

Where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 ? Where is the Son ??

For the last time
Provide your source and let us see.
Simple English is worrying you.
Go back to primary school.

Peacefullove:
The Three persons mentioned are Cyprian expression just as The Lord says was his expression . GET SOME THINKING

Liar, it's not his expression but what was written

"OF" is to show where the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY were mentioned ALL TOGETHER and linked with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

Only COMMA has it not verse 8.


Only a fraudulent person will link verse 8 with the three persons.

Peacefullove:
" oF " didn't even appear in the so called verse, neither did he use Word . I even strike through some of the post to open your eyes

You this Fraud .... Is The Lord says part of the John 10:30 quote or Cyprian expression ?

Did Cyprian making DIRECT QUOTE?

He said "The Lord says" which means "I and my Father are one" is what the Lord says


Further, he said "IT IS WRITTEN of..." which means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost has been linked with "and these three are one" yet verse 8 isn't about the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Ghost.

The point here is that it's only COMMA that linked the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

So Cyprian couldn't have quoted verse 8 when the verse isn't about the three persons of the Trinity.

Peacefullove:
. you already expose your self in the next post am gonna do

That's why you couldn't provide your fraudulent source.

I'm still waiting for it, and you must provide it.

I think I've expressed myself on this, and vibrant English students can see for themselves who is lying here.

Peacefullove:
fact remains the quote cannot be the same . Even if your source add the article " THE " , The " OF " wasn't in the verse . The use of Son instead of Word Even exposed your lies.

See liar trying to cover up his lies.

What is your source, show us so that we can apply see.

Your source must be a terrible, corrupt and dishonesty one for them to twist the statement that way.

So I'm still waiting for your source.

talk about the Bible, there are many direct quotes from LXX .

But is there ALLUSION also?

If yes! Does that mean it's just their expression or still quote?

You fall for the bait, I was asking where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 u claimed he quoted. is there" OF " before The Father , son or holy ghost ?? this is simply writers expression

Fraudster...

"IT IS WRITTEN OF The Father, of the Son, and The Holy Ghost..."

thank You! see the quote

so according to you in the first quote we have

" THE LORD SAYS" and we also have " I and the Father are one " ... one was an expression , the other was a direct quote.

hence Wikipedia QUOTE I and the Father are one SPECIALLY ... that got a special quote .

In the second instance , ONLY " These three are one" was QUOTED .

That's why you'll remain liar forever.
I know you lack basic English

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Which means the three names have been linked with "AND THESE THERE ARE ONE"

That's the reason your fraudulent source put "IT IS WRITTEN" after "of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" in other to change the narrative.

your argument would mean even the word " The Lord says " was directly picked from the bible , It's just an expression just as Of the Father, The son and the holy ghost are the writers expression.

It was never an expression stop lying...

This is simple English and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." and verse 8 doesn't have these three names.

I believe you have sense to see the colored parts , I even strike some parts to help u... it's say more about this. the writer wasn't quoting 1John 5:7, but a quote from verse 8 just as the expression + the Lord says + which precede I and the Father are one is NOT a Bible quote but the writers expression

Does verse 8 mention the THREE PERSONS?

You're trying hard to make Cyprian commits theology suicide but using wrong verse for his Trinity support.

If comma wasn't existed that time, Cyprian wouldn't have used "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Verse 8 is never a reference to the three persons of the Trinity and know one has ever used verse 8 as a prove for Trinity.

Peacefullove:
the funny thing is you admitted he wasn't quoting it FULL earlier which even add more doubts to your claim. if such verse existed, he would have done that .

How many early Christians writers make FULL quote when quoting scripture?

The fact is, everyone can see the COMMA from Cyprian statement except deluded and liar like you.

now here you are claiming Everything he said was Directly Quoted @ bold . contrarily you claimed it wasn't a full quote in a previous post

You can see the reason I said you lack wisdom!

I only presented to you how the COMMA part of "and the three are one" was written in Greek and how the verse 8 part of "and the three are one" was written too.

So, if you claim it's from verse 8 then it should be in that form but if it's from the COMMA then it should be in that form.

you are confused .

Lying liar mouth...

I'm still waiting for the source you got your quote from and even claim no ARTICLE "the" before Son and Holy Ghost.

Peacefullove:
you are a Liar , If that was a direct quote , it's Word that will be there NOT Son. neither will he omit the article " The "

How many early Christians writers make DIRECT quote?

here is the quote

250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)

the bolded is that which is written but applied to his own Trinity doctrine. and the bolded appears at verse 8

Where is your source for this quote?

After I even tutor you about the wording of verse 7 &8 in Greek.

Provide the Greek word let's see whether it correlates with verse 7 or verse 8

Here is where your lying mouth will be shut forever!!!

Peacefullove:
even the article " THE " was interchangeable too ?? stop deluding yourself .

Now it's about ARTICLE "The"

when you make a quote, You make it exactly as it is , If you have any intention to add anything , it will be in bracket . YOU LIED!

How many of the early Christian writers usually make QUOTE exactly as it is from the scripture?

You are a Liar, that's not what he says ... okay In fact show me " OF THE FATHER " and Tell me why the Article THE was missing in his quote in reference to Son and Holy ghost.

You're the one who quoted Cyprian yet you didn't see "OF THE FATHER" there...that's wonderful.

Just like I said, you're just looking for a way to derail this thread which is very glaring.

he didn't , read the text again . that which is written is " these three are one " , it's the only word that appears in quote in that Statement .

That's your own fraud to just to twist Cyprian statement.

This is how Wikipedia put

The Lord says, "I and the Father are one"
and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
"And these three are one."[52]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma

Original source puts it this way

"The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one."

https://books.google.nl/books?id=hMU7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA382&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

you are a Liar , Quote it the way it is . u this fraud

This is how it is!

"The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one."

The Comma never existed , that's why his words didn't match the acclaimed quote. he was only expressing a doctrine.

Liar, what you even called expression is called "ALLUDED" hardly early writers' quotes match their quoting WORD FOR WORD.

Majority alluded to the scripture.

Where does the idea of applying "And these three are one" to the three persons if the TRINITY comes from if not from the COMMA?

Peacefullove:
Does verse 7 says Son if he was even quoting 1John 5:7 ? What happen to the absence of article " THE" in his writing when the text says " The " if it was a direct quote ??

Does verse 8 has this three are one or it doesn't ?

"This three are one" in verse 8 is referencing to "the spirit, water, and blood" without the comma

So if anyone says "it is written OF the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"

Someone with working brain will definitely knows this is not verse 8 but another verse.

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Let me also tutor you because I know you lack wisdom

This is what appears "τρεις εν εισιν" in the Comma rather than of "τρεις εις το εν εισιν" in verse 8.  The Greek in verse 8 has the preposition "εις". 

Now, show us the Greek writing of Tertullian let's see whether it's in line with the COMMA or verse 8.

Peacefullove:
Tertulian quote is the oldest and sorry to Dissapoint you, it's a quote of John 10:30 not any fraud .

Tertullian quoted a fraud then because "the three are one" says Tertullian and this is even a quote for Trinity

You can erase it from his work

Peacefullove:
Your blood Don dey high ?

When it's obvious you're the one having HPB here

Does verse 7 has the wording " Son " ??

I have told you, that it's interchangeable which is even the reason why some scholars said, he wouldn't have quoted it full because the COMMA has THE WORD instead of THE SON

If comprehension is your problem , be humble enough to ask for help . That which he said is written is the " this three are one" that's the word in QUOTE. And which appears at verse 8

Says the person with low IQ

But he said "IT IS WRITTEN OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST"

Does such appear in verse 8?

"the Spirit, the water, and the blood— and these three are one. " ISV

But he said "OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST"

NOT OF THE FATHER, THE Son , or Holy ghost ... Those are his own expression of a doctrine, If he was making a direct quote , it would even be Word and not Son. Since that's what the fraud text says

IT IS WRITTEN "of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost" it was only verse 7 such text was applied to the three persons of the Trinity.

I ask again: If such verse exist, why didn't he Quote it in FULL ?

Where was the idea of THREE PERSONS said to be ONE comes from if not for the existence of the COMMA?

The next thing you'll ask now, is why didn't him quote the verse

Olodo...

Having seeing various textual variants in the proceeding verse before the COMMA and some surrounding verses which nullified the claim oldest = most reliable and we can see the reason why Calvin said "...The Greek copies do not agree"

Then one can ask, if truly the COMMA exists and was ommited, shouldn't there be any evidence for its removal?

I tell you, there is an undeniable fact that the COMMA was removed.

Umlaut in Codex Vaticanus

The oldest manuscript containing 1 John 5:7 demonstrates that a significant textual variant was known for 1 John 5:7 in the 4th century.  In 1995 Philip B. Payne discovered "umlauts" (double dots) in the margins of various places in Codex Vaticanus.

He and many scholars agree that these umlauts indicate lines where a textual variant was known to the scribe.  You can read his work, The Originality of Text-Critical Symbols in Codex Vaticanus here.  

Interestingly, an umlaut appears next to the phrase "there are three who bear witness." in Vaticanus.

Payne briefly discusses and seemingly dismisses the significance of the umlaut in 1 John 5:7 (p. 112, footnote 34), but without a doubt the umlaut is there.

There is clearly an umlaut in the margin of verse 7 indicating a textual variant.  The only significant textual variant here is the Comma.


1) The following is a scanned image of 1 John 5:6-8 in Vaticanus:

https://www.kjvtoday.com/_/rsrc/1307679740733/home/the-father-the-word-and-the-holy-ghost-in-1-john-57/Comma%20Umlaut%20Scan.jpg

2) The following is a screen capture of the transcription of the above from the official digitized Nestle-Aland on the University of Munster Institute website. The image below can be viewed by selecting 1 John 5:7 in "B - 03 (Vaticanus)" and selecting "view by page":

Peacefullove:
Tertulian quote

Tertullian's quote, in English, says

"Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These three are one [thing], not one [Person], as it is said, 'I and my Father are One,' in respect of unity of substance not singularity of number."

He only quoted John 10:30. This isn't any quote from supposed 1John 5:7. Emusan is just a fraud .

I've not even started presenting the evidence of the both Greek and Latin fathers yet your blood has started going higher.

Just wait until we get there.

I know you jump in for you to derail this thread but I won't allow you.

Peacefullove:
To further burst your bubble , If that was the phrase John used, WHY DID CYPRIAN have a different phrase ?

You burst your own bubble not mine.

The phrase of The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is still the same as when WORD was used but "THIS THREE ARE ONE" is the most most important.

250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)

SMH..

See your fraud mouth...

He said..."and again OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST it is written "and the three are One"

So does verse 8 as you claimed has FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST?

This is simply an expression of doctrine ... Such quote never existed at the time , If not Cyprian would have said THE FATHER , THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT. He never said this.

It never existed but he said "IT IS WRITTEN"

Everyone can see your lying mouth.

Mind you Cyprian evidence is weak, cos that which he said is written appears also at verse 8 . If such a verse existed , he would have quoted it in whole

Again see how your lying mouth is changing.

Does verse 8 has the wording "THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST?"

He didn't quote it you say...
What does it mean when he said "OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST, "IT IS WRITTEN"?

Do you even understand what your lying mouth is saying?

Peacefullove:
Don't fool yourself . It's an expression
If you are so sure it's a direct Bible quote, why was the verse not included in such quote ??

This alone shows that you lack knowledge of the matter at hand.

He should quote verse, when Bible hasn't been numbered or divided into verses....

Peacefullove:
Don't be silly , the tenets of the Trinity says the Father , Son , holy spirit are one . Then any such quote reffering to the Trinity could be misconstrued as though quoted from a verse when it was just an expression of a doctrine.

Don't be stupid.

The phrase "THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT" was only used by John and can only be found in the COMMA.

If the tenent of Trinity is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one, that's the phrase the COMMA should carry.

The truth is, the COMMA was part of the original writing.

Peacefullove:
This is really silly, This three are one is an expression of a doctrine . NOT a Bible quote

See your lying mouth....

Expression of a doctrine but where does the idea comes from, if not because it was originated from somewhere?

It's evident that people are aware of it before the council of Nicea which nullified the lie that the text was first introduced in the 4th century, that's why you want it to be EXPRESSION not direct Bible quote.


You can see you're the very silly one here.

QUICK RECAP!

After critical study of different scholarly opinion on why the COMMA shouldn't be part of the Scripture, we came up with three (3) views which are:

1. The COMMA was not found in any Ancient Greek Manuscripts: This view holds that ancient manuscripts are more accurate and reliable than the later manuscripts.

2. The COMMA was only found in the late medieval manuscripts: This views holds that since the COMMA exists only in the late manuscripts then it must be a later insertion by "OVERZEALOUS TRINITARIAN" or by a TRINITARIAN for the support of Trinity.

3. The Majority Vs Minority: This views holds that there are 5000+ Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, manuscripts which contain 1 John 5 are limited to about 480 manuscripts.  Although the majority of these manuscripts lacks the Comma . Of the about 480 manuscripts of 1 John 5, only 12 of these manuscripts are from before the 10th century (Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 27th revised edition (2006)):

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Critics of the Comma are almost always silent regarding these textual variants and clause expunged of 1 John 5:6, 1 John 2:23b, 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 5:13 in the early uncials - corruptions that surely diminish the reliability of these early uncials in this portion of the text.  Despite there being this textual variant, none of the footnotes to 1 John 5:6 in the ESV, NIV, NASB, NRSV, NLT & HCSB mention it.  Such silence only serves to protect the undeserving reputation of the so-called "earliest and best manuscripts" and does not help the casual reader who wants the truth.

In line of this, those who hold the argument number 1 above can rethink.

1 John 5:13 was corrupted early

1 John 5:13 is proof that a clause in a parallel construction (such as that in the Comma) could drop out of some early manuscripts.  The proof of 1 John 5:13 may not be convincing to an Alexandrian text proponent, but it should be convincing to a Byzantine text proponent.  The verse in the KJV says:


"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

However, the underlined words are not found in the three earliest witnesses of the verse.  Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, and Alexandrinus, essentially say:

"these things have I written unto you, that ye may see that ye have everlasting life: they that believe in the name of the son of God."

The Textus Receptus and the Byzantine Majority Text, in agreement with the fourth, fifth, and sixth earliest witnesses of the verse in its entirety, K (9th century), L (9th century), P (9th century), say:

"these things have I written unto you that believe in the name of the son of God, that ye may see that ye have everlasting life, and that ye may believe in the name of the son of God."

1 John 4:3 is another example of an early corruption in 1 John.

The verse in the KJV says:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

This is the reading supported by Codex Sinaiticus, one of the earliest Greek manuscripts of 1 John, and the Byzantine Majority Text:

Sinaiticus:

"and every breath that confesseth not in the flesh is loosed from thy not; and this is the of Antichrist: that we have heard that he cometh now in the world already."

Byzantine Majority Text:

"and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus Christ in the flesh is delivered from God; and this is not the Antichrist's: hear that he cometh now and now in the world."

However, 1 John 4:3 in Nestle-Aland 27, following Alexandrinus and Vaticanus and a few later manuscripts, reads:

"and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus of God is not; and this is that of Antichrist: hear that he cometh now in the world already."

["Jesus Christ in the flesh is delivered from" is omitted.]

From the evidence of one of the earliest manuscripts and the majority of manuscripts, it is reasonable to believe that 1 John 4:3 in the Textus Receptus is the correct reading.  Byzantine Majority Text proponents would agree.  If Sinaiticus and the Majority Text are correct here, 1 John 4:3 is further evidence that a clause could be expunged in the early stage of transmission.