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Peacefullove:
Your brain is now open

Why yours keep blocking...

Since humans are not spirit beings, any usage applies to them is not anthropomorphic,

noun
the attribution of human characteristics or behaviour to a god, animal, or object.

Not to Human being

Then who says that statement was applied to Humans being

Human spirit itself is not a person either

Says who

Peacefullove:
I want to believe Jesus spirit proceed to heaven the moment he died, Yes ? Luke 23 vs 46

You want to believe

Do you even understand yourself....

Peacefullove:
Very deluded person, he was reffering to other Bible text that established that animals have spirit in them . Does it make them spirit beings ? Common sense isn't common

Super deluded person...now he was referring to other Bible text....yet he boldly said "MENTIONED IN ISAIAH"

Who says human are SPIRIT BEINGS

Peacefullove:
A poster already enlighten you about this, Spirit in human being does not make them spirit being, if that was the case, Horses would have been classified as Spirits, but they are not

Do horses not have spirit in them ?

A deluded posterike you....

At least you have agreed with your deluded poster that human actually has a spirit in them....so you can continue to rant.

Where does the spirit of horses go after death?

Humans are not spirit.
When Yeshua mention whole body in hell which body was he reffering?

No-one says human are SPIRIT, get that into your dull skull.

Human has spirit which after death continue to exist.

Your body...

Barristter07:
If you have a thinking cap, you would know i dont have any problem with that statement given that the holy spirit is Jehovah's power in action. So yes only the Father knows, hence Matt 24:36 doesn't have anything to do with his holy spirit which isn't another person.

So with your education, an inanimate thing can know ALL THINGS about God....continue!

hahahahahaha , help me understand by explaining to me if Holy spirit isn't Greater than Jesus with that statement ?

I can't help a toddler like you....Google is your friend.

Barristter07:
Its the same spirit in the Horse mentioned at Isaiah 31:3, yet it was never classified as Spirit being , separated from spirit beings. . I only wanted to show you why your anthropomorphism cards are unreasonable.

Olodo....
And it's very convenient for you to twist scripture at will, well I'm not surprised sha...Isaiah never says the horses have spirit in them rather the "....horses are flesh, and NOT SPIRIT" a good student of the scripture reading from verse 1 understand that but only a brainwashed JWs will twist it.

If you can do this, then you want me to take you serious. Sorry try again.

Peacefullove:
And Yeshua would be a Liar , agree ?

Says you!

Blasphemy saga
is Holy spirit not greater than Jesus ?

Still diverting from the main point.

Peacefullove:
And who told you humans become spirit beings when they die?

And who told you there's no spirit in human being?

If you check Yeshuas word in many English Bible, there are many references of hell with human body not anthropomorphism.

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit?

This will take us back to begin, which is the scripture described God as having eyes and hands, does this mean the hands and eyes are like the human own?

So sad, revelation that said it was written in symbols is now your go to verse.

Now it's symbolic!
I rest my case....

Maximus69:
I've known Emusan for long!

He's obsessed with arguing against Jehovah's Witnesses, even when he's not making any sense at all.

When i respond to his comments, it's not because of him but to make other followers see that Emusan is just arguing blindly!

Says the most deluded person on NL that can't even contribute intellectually on a thread other than ranting and jumping pole.

I haven't seen anyone you're discussing with on this forum who hasn't pointed that out to you. So instead of you to go and work on yourself, you're still spending your life here!

Barristter07:
God is a spirit being, Man is not, that someone's breath is termed spirit doesnt make them spirit beings . Consider Isaiah 31:3

" The Egyptians , though are mere men and not God ; their horses are flesh and not spirit "

The horses are flesh just like man is , never spirit beings.

Want us to be spoon feeding you like a toddler here again.

At least you agreed that there's a spirit in human but you just decided to call it BREATH....

You've crawled out from nowhere only to be jumping up and down.

Barristter07:
He didn't conclude on Jesus behalf. Far from it ,Matthew 24:36 says But only the Father

Be careful with the question above, as you are outrightly saying Jesus isn't saying the truth , emphasis on " Only " . that disqualifies any other person

So you also agree that Bible is lying when it says The Spirit of God knows ALL THE THINGS of God?

And any other thing.....

Am actually interested in his point regarding who is greater between Jesus and holy spirit going by that statement Jesus made ?

If you pay close attention to that statement, you'd have known and understand it but since your brain is wired differently, I don't expect that.

Peacefullove:
Man isn't a spirit being. Man is physical being . different . cry ? Hahaha shedding water from eyes , spiritual water ? They can thirst too , Drink spiritual water right or is it physical water ?

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit that's the question?

Enough of this ranting.....

Revelation talks about water and those athirst shall drink from....

Anyways, I know you're just looking for a mate!

Peacefullove:
Only the Father knows, Does this not spell it out clearly that NO other person knows?

Why can't you allow the scripture to speak for itself?

The scripture says The HOLY SPIRIT knows the things of God....do you think Holy Spirit won't know?

because Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit, you have to conclude on Jesus behalf that, that's what Jesus meant.

Your brain can't handle this?

Just as your brain can't handle the blasphemy statement which you have to twist to mean it's blasphemy against the Father..

I repeat again: The blasphemy statement would also mean Holy spirit is GREATER than Jesus , unless Jesus is referring to the fact that holy spirit isnt a person but a power of Someone Greater than him

It didn't because you couldn't grab the message with your empty skull.

Neither did Yeshua mention me,

Again I repeat: THE REFERENCE TO BLASPHEMY STATEMENR WOULD PROVE HOLY SPIRIT IS GREATER THAN Yeshua , agree ?

Unless its not a person . so you see even that point is coming to haunt you

Another way to divert from the main point....

In the same manner, spirit of God isn't a person, comprehended , Yes ?

What is the first manner

Peacefullove:
Good point , though doesn't negate the fact that those in heaven have the spiritual body. According to Paul, if there is a physical body, there is a spiritual one . logic here is as far as some have physical body, some also have the spiritual body.

So the Ressurection parts proves that you can only apply anthropomorphic terms to A Spirit being with spiritual body.

After your Mumbo jumbo, you can't still accept that you're wrong.

God is a spirit and He was described having eyes and hands.....

Your own is to proof to us how a spirit can't cry and gnashing of teeth, since you know more about their Nature.

BUT RESSURECTION hasn't occur, You hear that ! So any reference to people gnashing teeth and body in hell presently is referring to which Body ?

This will bring us back to my previous question, God is a spirit and He was described having eyes and hands. Does this then mean God has eyes and hands like the one we have?

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit being, for you to know they can't cry nor gnashing of teeth?

Peacefullove:
Peacefullove your delusion is not only top notch but spreading wide than fire.

Jesus said ONLY the Father knows , Does that spell it out clearly that holy spirit doesn't know if it were a person ?

Or Jesus lied by saying ONLY the father when there is another person that knows ? U seriously ave problem here

The point still remains that, Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit in that verse which you first lied about and Holy Spirit wasn't mentioned there didn't disprove his person just as Jesus didn't mention the Father in the blasphemy statement.

Get that into your empty skull!

The problem with the Blasphemy statement looking at it from your angle is it Makes the holy spirit greater than Jesus if it were a person, agree ?

You are roping yourself.

Is Jesus lesser than holy spirit?

The reason I stop discussing with you most times is because of your reasoning like a kid.

Read my post again to understand my point.

Now, diverting from the main point!

Does Jesus not mention the Father means the Father isn't a person? That's the question.

Spirit of man knows the things of man, is the spirit of man a person?

So if the spirit of man isn't a person, what are you arguing against on this thread?

You can see the reason I do say you have that small child brain.

Peacefullove:
I tell you again, when we are through with this, you will see why the blasphemy angle doesn't help you.

It won't help you because you're a twister of the scripture.

Am questioning two things

The God status ascribed to holy spirit - Does it know the day and hour ?

The person status ascribed - If its a person, that makes the verse that said knows all the things of God a Lie ,because it doesn't , this person is among the NOBODY knows!!! . IT MEANS WE SHOULD HAVE TWO PERSONS that know the day and hour . for that verse to be true!

You're the one who come to that conclusion not what the scripture says that's why I gave you an instance where Jesus grouped The Holy Spirit along Himself and excluded the Father, do we then conclude that The Father can be blasphemy against?

If it's not a person, there is no need for Yeshua to mention it at Matth 24:36 as he did since it represent the very power of the Father himself . so if a verse says it knows all the things of God, it is because its the power of that God himself

Since Jesus didn't mention the father then it means the Father isn't a person or lesser than two of them...

Holy Spirit is the power of the Father yet HE KNOWS ALL THINGS ABOUT GOD...how come?

Back to the blasphemy statement, to blaspheme it will be a direct assault on the Father who owns this power .

Getting it now ?

We need to agree first on the red part .

Delusions.....

You can continue to twist it as you like, what is so difficult for Jesus to just mention the Father instead of using inanimate thing to allude to the Father....

Peacefullove:
Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly, concerning this heavenly one, your Bible says he was raised a spiritual body.

Since those in heaven are like the heavenly one, that means God have a spiritual body, agree?

@Bolden is sufficient for me...

So after you said that "HE WAS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY"

So if those in heaven are like the heavenly one, wouldn't those in hell be the same? You can see how you crumble your own argument....

Besides, this is all about resurrection and not about God because God is a spirit and doesn't have a body.

Peacefullove:
You don't get .
What kind of Body does God have ?

So upon all your rants, you just realized you've been deceiving yourself.

Where did you read it from that God has a body?

Peacefullove:
At least prove am deluded. By giving a response, or else you may be in for a shock.

Dead humans have a Spiritual body, agree?

You're deluded because Spirit Is spirit.

God was described to have a eyes, hand e.t.c then should we conclude that God must have a body like ours?

Peacefullove:
A1. holy spirit as a person doesn't know all the things of God as stated in that scripture since it doesn't know the day and hour , hence that verse is a lie... Agree ?

So the verse that says Holy Spirit knows ALL THE THINGS of God is also lie...because I don't know how inanimate thing will know something about you.

Peacefullove:
He raised one point you can't refute, the blasphemy statement doesn't even prove a thing,

One embrace the entire universe, the other doesn't.

First, is Holy spirit among the * Nobody knows * ?

Now it has to embrace the entire universe....hypocrite!

But in the blasphemy statement, Jesus grouped Himself along with the Holy Spirit and excluded the Father...

How can one blasphemy against something that's not a person?

The statement didn't include the Holy Spirit which you lied Jesus did and only deluded person will conclude on where the scripture didn't conclude....it's like saying since Jesus didn't mention the father it means you can blasphemy against the Father....does it make sense?

Peacefullove:
Its only a deluded person that jumps like you do. My point is still associated with Yeshuas statement, answer the below first

I asked- I expect the holy spirit to know ALL the things of God , Yes ?

And you didn't see that in the scripture where it was written bah?

Peacefullove:
I know you will fall into the bait, I deliberately reserve my Point for this moment.

God whom you talked about is a Spirit being, but humans are not spirit being, There are two elements here: Spirit with a Spirit body. Hence rendering all description as anthropomorphic

Do dead humans have a spirit body , u say Yes? ...

Imagine still asking question like in 21st century....

A reasonable person can see how deluded you are

Maximus69:
Of course if the Holy Spirit is a person as your folks have always argued, why didn't Jesus make mentioned of such person?

According to Jesus' statement there, the personalities in heaven are
The Father ~JEHOVAH
The son ~Jesus who also was an heavenly angel
The angels ~ Other heavenly sons of God

So where is the Holy Spirit whom you and all your folks have always argued that is a person?

Stephen was filled with the Holy Spirit {God's active Force} and as he lifted up his eyes to heaven, Stephen was reported to have said "I see Jesus at the right hand of God" but no mention of the Holy Spirit because it's the FORCE activating Stephen's sight to see beyond what ordinary eye can behold! Act 7:55-56 compared to 1Kings 18:46

Since this is the line of your argument then we can also say, since Jesus didn't include the Father in the blasphemy statement, the Father isn't a person!

Olodo....

Peacefullove:
Any such description given God are termed anthropomorphic by many religion . reason been, He never for once have such human body. ( Note this aspect )

This is the part I want....so you can continue to deceive yourself.

But its a different situation here, because the persons in question actually HAVE SUCH BODY, hence this are real description not anthropomorphic.

Act 7:54
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him

Do the people described here have teeth ?


The main question here is : Are you disagreeing that people will still have their human bodies in hell according to the bible ?

Only a person with a child brain can spew this...

Peacefullove:
I expect the holy spirit as a person to know ALL the things of God, u agree , Yes ?

But you lied that the Jesus confirmed Holy Spirit isn't a person in that verse which has nothing with Holy Spirit at all.

Deluded....

Peacefullove:
My questions are awaiting you on the other thread you ran from.

You must be a witch to have known I ran from it.

Yeshua proved its not at Mathew 24:36

And to see how you link Holy Spirit to this verse is one of the seventh wonders of the world.

Peacefullove:
All I needed was clarification for the Red parts.

Do u agree its a myth? Do spirit have bones like teeth ? Or water in the eyes to weep ? That description are bodily, which begs the question : why aren't people going to hell with their bodies and teeth ? Why bury the teeth to gnash ?

SMH....

Have you been into the spirit to have known that it's BODILY description

God was described in the Bible to have a hand, eyes e.t.c do you mean God has a body like ours to have been described that way

I know you must bring your baby brain to here

Peacefullove:
The below caught my attention

Red @

Does it mean people go to hell bodily , weeping and teeth are bone structures of the physical body ??

Is the Spirit concept a myth?

And where did you see that in my post

It's already a myth to you, so what change

Maximus69:
You're just languishing in agony over nothing Sir!

Just as you're languishing over ignorance and self deception.

The truth in Jehovah's Witnesses organization is not my making, i decided to claim it as my own after seeing all the evidences with my own eyes!

At least, it's JWs organization you found your truth why genuine Christians found theirs in the Bible...

God promised that the corulers with Christ must be selected from ONLY the nation of Israel but the people refused to put faith in Jesus who is supposed to teach them important things about his righteous rule.

If not because I pointed out your lies, will you have changed your narration?

Hypocrite!

God will not continue to wait forever for these faithless Jew to accept Jesus! Matthew 23:37-38

So after the first set have been taken from the Jews to fulfill JEHOVAH's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the invitation to complete the 144,000 heavenly corulers with Christ was blown open to gentiles who will accept Christianity! Matthew 22:8-9

Now let's see whether the passage you cited supported your narration or exposed your lies and ignorance more.

1. The kingdom of heaven was liking to a wedding...

2. The king asked His servants to call those who were bidden for the wedding...BUT they would not come!

3. After The king sent another servants but the REMNANT maltreated and even killed the servants

4. On hearing this, The king's judgement was upon them by sent forth His armies to destroy and even burn their city.

5. Then in v9 the king instructed His servants they go to the Highways (Plural) to look for "AS MANY AS YE SHALL FIND...," from here it's evident that the number can't be quantifiable....but out of your delusions and evil mind you have to assume that it must be to complete the 144,000.

6. V10 says "those servants went out into the highways (plural) and gathered together ALL as MANY AS THEY FOUND" the most astonished part is that the people gathered are "BOTH BAD and GOOD"....are you saying among the 144,000 there are still bad people among them? I know you can't answer yes! because somewhere else, you already claimed they were all FAITHFUL SERVANTS.

You can see how the said organisation you found truth is destroying your salvation with false doctrine.

You can read the whole illustration of the wedding feast @Matthew 22 from verse 1-14, because i know Pastors used to tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses only select verses!

From the illustration of the wedding, we read that the King destroyed the murderers and even burn down their city (this can be described as Armageddon).

Also, we read that the king commanded his servants to bind a man who was without wedding garment to be thrown out into outer darkness, there shall be "WEEPING and GNASHING OF TEETH"

But your demonic organization says no eternal punishment for any bad person...nor people are conscious after death.

How come the person will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?

because this punishment was totally different from the one describes as Armageddon. As you can see, the destruction of both the murderer and their city have occurred. (Funny thing is, you may come with excuses of figurative).

If you're truly after the Salvation of your soul, I'll advice you to spend a whole lot of time with your Bible than watchtower.

Maximus69:
Jesus came for the selection of his corulers who will rule with him in heaven and God has promised that these corulers must be selected from only the children of Abraham, that's why Jesus said that!

It's those corulers{Jews} that are supposed to carry the info about God's plans for the earth to all other nations, but it's what the designated King {Jesus} taught them that they will use to gather the subjects of God's Kingdom! That's why Jesus went further to say his message {which supposed to be spread by the Jews} will save righteous people from all the earth! John 3:16-18

See how this thread is exposing your hypocrisy the more....

Just because you're discussing with a Muslim, you are suddenly dishing out lies forgotten that the line you use to defend your organization with a Christian supposed to be maintained throughout irrespective of whoever you're dealing with.

You claimed the "God has promised that these corulers must be selected from only the children of Abraham (Jews)", yet your fraudulent organization said the 144,000 who will rule with Jesus in heaven were chosen till 19th century.

Or you want to claim the 144,000 aren't part of corulers....

I know you'll find a way to cover your lie again by dishing out gibberish and disconnected post from the main point.

Maximus69:
You can continue weeping for your Pastors Sir!

Jesus said Christians should not bear the title teacher except himself alone. Matthew 23:8
Jehovah's Witnesses are never known in their neighbourhood with any religious titles unlike your folks who always want people to address them as Pastors!

The Governing Body is synonymous with just one global group Jehovah's Witnesses, and even members of the organization don't know all their faces!

All you need to do is abandon falsehood for the truth!

But you are the very person who is crying now.... Hypocrite!

You haven't answer my question, is governing body not a title?

You know their face because you're too brainwashed to believe so. Their faces full Google!