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Janosky:
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT if you bake your bread or cake with broken or dented pan, you must see the dents or defects on your bread or cake.
The final results MUST show the defects..
That is the BEST WAY to explain the FRAUD in the KJV Textus Receptus (TR) manuscript that Johnw lying Pharisee is hiding from everyone reading this thread.
Pls, go ahead and check ALL the different bible translations of Revelation 1:11 on the link below:
SOURCE: https://biblehub.com/
revelation/1-11.htm


** You will discover that the KJV and some few Bibles have the same rendition. They are from the same 16th century TR manuscript.

**The authentic renditions of Revelation 1:11 is NOT from the TR manuscript.
Shalom.

See deluded JWs with false doctrine

It's a fraud yet your so self acclaimed perfect and only true Christian organization still have those FRAUDULENT VERSEs in their NWT. Who is deceiving who?

It's evident you don't know how to counter Rev 1:8; 11

Funny enough almost every verses that speak about the deity of Jesus Christ have been declared as FRAUD/TWISTED by you people.

Yet you think nothing is wrong with you people about Christ...

Janosky:
Isaiah9:6, Your "God" is a son "given" by whom?
Lol...

Keep ranting after that go, learn and acquire understanding of scripture.

solite3:
Emussan good job dont be deterred God bless you

My brother I know them and their Antichrist standard...

They don't have any other mission than denying Christ deity.

Janosky:
Janosky dubious subtraction!
Eleyi gidigaan Twister !!!
1Cor15:27, destroys the lie of co-equal triune God.
"it is evident that this does not include the One ( his Father and God) who subject all things to him (Jesus) "
V28 the Son will hand over to his God and Father,
"then the son will also subject himself to the One (his God) who subjected all things to him"
The God and Father of Jesus was NEVER co-equal with his son, Jesus in the heavenly realm where the event of 1Cor15:27-28 took place.

After you finished ranting, go and learn when the scripture is talking about the eternal Word of God before becoming man and when it's talking about Him after becoming man.

Greatomotoy:
I wish I can type long!!! I will try to

Jehovah/Yahweh is the Father ( God the father)
Jesus Christ is the Son (God the Son)
Holy Spirit is God the Spirit
They are different personality in the God Head. As humans' are tripartite so is the God Head.

If you understand it this way, then no need for the below question...

but Clarity sake...I'll address the question in short period.

I get puzzled when some Christians say God is the 'same person' as Jesus Christ, when tons of scriptural verses had made it clear.

Any Christian who says "The Father" (Note: I used Father here instead of God as you did) is the same PERSON as Jesus Christ vis-a-vis doesn't understand scripture well.

For Christians saying they are the same, I ask..... when we get to heaven are we going to see one Entity or 'Three Entity ( Father, Son and Spirit)?

In the Old Testament, nobody talks about Son of God or the person of Holy Spirit as we do today simply because the New Testament writers shield more light about the co-existing and co-eternal of the Three which would have resulted to Polytheistic view if Trinity doctrine wasn't adopted.

Now, to your question:
But because of the redemption role Christ is still playing until fulfillment of the whole promises of God.

The Bible recorded some kind of revelation about the presence of the Father in heaven but the only person the Bible says we'll see is Jesus Christ till every process is complete and "God MAY BE ALL IN ALL" 1 Corinthian 15:28

Adam Clarke puts it this way "...then the son Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any distinct dominion and GOD BE ALL IN ALL: there remaining no longer any distinction in the PERSONS of the glorious TRINITY...."

This is one of the verses many people who argue against Trinity don't understand.

My humble submission!

Barristter07:
Still the same word with same meaning , but Exclude Jehovah because is the Creator. all others including the Messiah are creations , hence their use of the term has limit just as the different between God and god. Elohim may be applied to others, but it has limits since they are creations

@color part says alot about your hypocrisy and beclouded mind....

The content of Isaiah 9:6 alone cannot make a reasonable human to conclude the person El Giboa was applied to should be in the same category with human.

Almighty was never applied to Jesus Christ

It was....
Now using style to boycott my questions

Is Jesus a lesser God and false God?

How many Mighty God do you have?

Barristter07:
The congregation in Philadelphia, They are not humans ?

"And to the Angel of the Church in Philadelphia"

Anyway, there are many debates on this about the identity of "THE ANGEL" human aren't Angel....but the fact still remains that, it's not a command to worship them but Christ Himself said, He will make them to do it.....and this "THEM" are the synagogue of Satan...

Which proof you're wrong.

John 17:24 they will be where I am, to BEHOLD the GLORY you have Given me. which Glory will they behold with him in heaven?

After I have tutored you, you can still be this clueless...

V22 Jesus said "The glory God had GIVEN him, He had given THEM (He's disciples)....grow in wisdom and stop perishing in the ignorance of watchtower.

Read the underlined and ask yourself: Am I equal with someone I myself Give Honor ??

It's evident that you cant give a straight answer to my question because you know, it will expose your dishonesty and show how you never obey Christ instruction despite the fact that you claim to love him.

That Jehovah witnesses might honour the Son, EVEN AS they honor Jehovah...Jehovah witnesses that honour not the Son honour NOT the Father that sent him.

Olodo JatiJati Its about FIRST RESSURECTION not General one that will include unrighteous ones.

Of course all the dead will receive the gift of Immortality Like God . 1 Cor 15:53 ?

All the dead will bear the image of the heavenly One, include unrighteous ones ? 1 Corinthians 15:49

General i mean, no separation!

Are Abel , Joshua, Noah. born again ? Will he enter the Kingdom of God ?

What is born of spirit is Spirit. So the verse address abode of spirits heaven, has nothing to do with Prophecies of the New earth . 2 Pet 3:13, Psalm 37:29

If they don't born again THEY CAN'T SEE AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Your understanding about that verse is too shallowed, do much research on it to under what it says and deliver yourself from the shackles of watchtower.

Yes, Just Like faithful men of old

This is where I'm going!

You want to enter and see the Kingdom of God when you're not a BORN AGAIN.

See dubious act, you admitted that only Born Again are going to heaven and according to Jesus in John 3 only BORN AGAIN can see and enter heaven.

Yet you claim, you want to see it and even enter!

Keep roping yourself. That proves the point. NOT by Mans will/desire, but from God.

Emphasis on " Gods children " . contrasted with Giving birth to children by Mans will

How is a child born by the will of the flesh ? Through physical human birth ?

FLESH AND BLOOD can't enter the kingdom of God....yet your empty brain is still claiming BORN of FLESH....when the scripture openly said, any one who becomes SON OF GOD are not BORN BY THE WILL OF FLESH...truly Jehovah witnesses perversion of the scripture has knows no bound.

Born by the WILL of the Flesh means those who failed to be transformed by the Holy Spirit.

That's why Apostle Paul says, "walk not after the FLESH, but after the SPIRIT"

"For they that are after the FLESH do mind the things of the FLESH; but they that are after the spirit the things of the Spirit"

"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God"

Seriously here is the verse that shattered all your ignorances "They which are the CHILDREN OF FLESH, these are not the CHILDREN OF GOD..."

The whole message of Christ in John 3 that your organization has mislead you with was summarized by Paul like this "For he that soweth to the Flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life"


Yet you still want to be born by the flesh.

Read the highlighted, You DO NOT KNOW where it comes from, You don't know the source , You feel it. Likewise Only God knows the process that makes a person born again, not by the persons determination or knowledge.

Will you shut the Bleep up....

Where does the verse say, it's God who chooses those who are born again?

also, these the my questions you purposely ignored concerning your organization lies. if you do that again, that's end to my post.

Are you baptized by water?

Are you begotten by God's spirit?

Are all Jehovah witnesses baptized by water and begotten by God's spirit?

It's clear that this criteria fits in with whosoever become son of God according to John 1:12

Idiot....so why are you praying for kingdom of God to come if it's just an heavenly access

it's about the FIRST RESSURECTION

The question again: If Jesus was raised in a spiritual body, is he then physical ?

Spiritual is defined as that which is opposed to physical. Answer this and your excuse of having a God because he was physical can gently enter the dustbin

Go and read 1 Corinthian 15 do research about it and after you've fully understand it, then come back here to argue.

Barristter07:
Facts :
1. EL - Gibboa was applied to humans.

2. The exact same El Giboa was applied to The Messiah, an human too

Was also applied to God, then are you expecting them to have the same meaning?

Your ignorance won't allow you to reason....

3. Same Hebrew word . That point alone render you clueless

4. To distinguish the Messiahs ( anointed one of God NOT GOD himself] from other EL GIbboas, a different translation was adopted for both IN OTHER LANGUAGES

If it's to distinguish between the Messiah and human, why do you want it to be applied the same way to human and the said Messiah?

Wasn't the same word used for Jehovah?

When it is used for Jehovah and human, were you expecting it to be translated the same way or carry the same meaning?

This exposes your ignorance and dishonesty....

If Jesus as A Messiah actually meant been Almighty, A Term never applied to any human. El Shaiddai would have been used .

The same Almighty was applied to Jesus in revelation...

Besides, we're talking about Mighty God here, how many Mighty God do you have?

Is Jesus a lesser God or a false God?

Righteousness89:
Africa is Burning also much more the Amazon



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyK2hpzNbZ4

To even think that nobody gave this attention

Barristter07:
You can as well tell us they are not humans

So are you then afraid to name the person who was referring to in that verse?

Let people see who is a liar here....

He said this Glory given him was because The Father loved him before the creation of the world ? Liar .

liar he didn't say the glory was given to Him because of the love but the Father to grant His desire/request because of the love the Father has for Him before the creation of the world.

Can you see how shallow your understanding is about scripture?

Again, this verse didn't negate verse 5

Open your senses, If You honor my dad You are not equal with him, Jesus honor his Father.

Cry of a deluded person....

If I asked you to honor me EVEN AS you honor your daddy, isn't that an indication that I'm placing myself on equal level with your dad? You think you can use your dubious way to buy away this one.

Have you been honoring Jesus Christ as He commanded you EVEN AS you honor Jehovah?

Only He that is born from spirit is Spirit
The above applies to Heavenly ressurection , Paul said Like the Heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly.

Idiot see how you change the word BORN to RESURRECTION....

The content of 1 Corinthian 15 is a general address of Resurrection, it's your lying and demonic organization who separated it. Apostle Paul was addressing misconception of people about the DEAD IN GENERAL.

Born again is called Spiritual BIRTH, non born agains won't experience it.

What is born of Flesh is Flesh, They retained their Physical birth status as human.

But the BORN AGAIN will SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD and ENTER IT.

Are you going to see the Kingdom of God or enter it?

Besides, the flesh talks about here simply means the sinful nature not human body....

John 1:12-13 says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...which were not BORN, not of BLOOD, nor of the will of the FLESH..."

Now look at how your demonic organization defined born Again:

Born Again
Definition: Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”), thus becoming a son of God with the prospect of sharing in the Kingdom of God.

Are you baptized by water?

Are you begotten by God's spirit?

Are all Jehovah witnesses baptized by water and begotten by God's spirit?

It's clear that this criteria fits in with whosoever become son of God according to John 1:12

It's evident that Jehovah witnesses are not God's son but just want to inherit earth in crook way.

Kingdom of God here indicates heavenly access ( compare Matt 11:11) . evidenced by " What is born from spirit is Spirit ! spirit beings reside in heaven

John 3:8 says GOD chooses who becomes born again. Not by personal interest

Idiot....so why are you praying for kingdom of God to come if it's just an heavenly access

This is John 3:8 "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearesth the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it forth, so it EVERYONE that is born of the spirit"

where does this verse say "God chooses who become BORN AGAIN?

See the extent watchtower has damaged your brain

Is spiritual physical ?

If Jesus was raised in a spiritual body, Can he be physical ?

Go back an read 1 Corinthian 15 to understand what Apostle Paul was saying concerning the RESURRECTION, it's evident you don't know and still continue to hold on to watchtower wrong teaching.

Barristter07:
The fact that it doesn't render the Same word Mighty God for humans means the word doesn't indicate been God.

Isn't this exposed your previous lie that human are also a MIGHTY GOD?

Everyone knows that a word can have different meanings but you people first lie that it means human are MIGHTY GOD but when proof was demanded, the narration changed.

The bold explains it, Christian translators render it that way because its accepted to be a Messianic verse, And the annointed one is a representative from God

Is it only Christian that believe in messianic passages in the scripture?

Give us just one rabbinic rendition that ever used El Giboa for human as a MIGHTY GOD.

Your first claim was that human are MIGHTY GOD also, so what is the essence of Isaiah calling the child to be born again MIGHTY GOD if Human are already known to be a Mighty God? That's the point you're still dodging.

Barristter07:
El shaddai ( Almighty ) was never applied to any human, EL Gibboa applied to Messiah and other humans indicate being a powerful one. NOT an equal God.

Show us how your own translation rendered it whether it says man a MIGHTY GOD, why are you afraid of bringing it down here?

Again, what is the essence of Isaiah calling The born Messiah MIGHTY GOD if Human are already known to
be a MIGHTY GOD?

You're still dodging my questions.

Barristter07:
Since humans are worshipped , And worship belong to God in the trinitarian argument, Are these humans that accepted worship Gods ?



Very silly human, now you shifted to Command. Revelation 3:9, (KJV)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Will Jesus command worship for humans here or not ?

Who is the person Jesus is referring to in that Revelation 3:9

Glory of his mission ?? , Yeebariba orisirisi ... .

John 17:24.


"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. "

@undelined , the Glory is the same one at John 17:5 given before the Creation of the world . Fake Barristter07, Lie would kill you and send you to hell

further Emphasis on " Be with me WHERE I AM, to see my Glory " . Is this nor reffering to his heavenly Glory he prayed to have back ?

finally he said it was " GIVEN me ".

Like I said, the Glory Jesus spoke about in Vs 5 is different from the one in Vs 24..

Jesus had glory with the Father which was not given...

in that case,
Not when the Son also honors his Father ,( John 8:49) . You probably didn't think about that did you, ?

Idiot....
Did me telling you to honor me the way you honor your daddy not placing me on the same level with your dad?
That's the question..

Have you been honoring Jesus Christ EVEN AS you honor Jehovah?

ressurection to a " Spiritual body " 1 Cor 15:44

define spiritual, is it Physical ? ? ?

Prove to the world how Ignorant you are.

since Jesus raised a spirit, have a Spiritual body, Don't ever again claim he is human in heaven. He has A GOD even in his Spirit form. Agree ??

I don't know your level of heresy has gone to another level....
Do you even understand the whole content of that 1 Corinthian 15 at all

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it ris raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The resurrection of the dead here, is it for particular people or everyone in Christ?

John 3:6

" Who has been born of flesh is flesh [human being ] , and what has been born from the spirit is Spirit [spirit being ] "

Those to be resurrected on earth have no hope of going to heaven and becoming Spirit beings. they will be FLESH [humans].

Spirit life is for born agains..
, they ain't born agains.

Again Christ was raised in a spiritual body, is a spiritual body physical ? 1 Corinthians 15:44

See another ridiculous one from the brainwashed JWs....

So John 3:6 is for your deluded people who will live in paradise earth

So are the people who will live forever in your paradise earth going to be BORN BY FLESH or resurrected?

If spirit is for born again....

John 3:3 says "Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD"

John 3:5 says "...Except a man be BORN of water and of the SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter into the Kingdom of God"

The questions are:

1. Are you going to see the Kingdom of God or not?
2. Will you enter the kingdom of God or not?

So are you a born again person?

Did Jesus not ressurect WITH WOUNDS AND SCARS in the human ressurection theory ?

if those to be ressurected would be fashioned after his pattern , Would they not retain their wounds, scars, Hunch backs, Burns , ? ? ?

Go back to that 1 Corinthian 15 make sure you read it slowly this time....so that you will grab the description of resurrection Apostle Paul talked about.

Firstly, I didn't know where to start replying you because of too much heresies in your post.

Secondly, you use the tactics of spamming my mention by bringing up disjointed post which make it impossible to reply unless I begin to copy and paste.

Barristter07:
Good you didn't dispute humans been termed the exact same El Gibboa. or else you would have been disgraced

you should be ashamed of yourself @undelined . If it was applied to humans, are these humans NOT MIGHTY GODS TOO ?

Like I said, you running to Hebrew won't save you...

Show us how your own translation rendered that verse let's see if it directly called man MIGHTY GOD.....if your term of El Giboa is true....

What is the essence of Christ being called MIGHTY GOD if Human on earth are already known to be MIGHTY GOD...

Janosky:
@1)Janosky, you suppose done pass this level but Watchtower exchanged your brain with Animal shit.
Have you studied the Hebrew lexicon of Psalms 82:1,6 (KJV)? You NEVER did !!!!
What's Hebrew meaning of El (God)?
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/410.htm

Anytime your lies are being exposed, it's then you'll people use to remember Hebrew and Greek

Show us from your own translation whether humans were directly refer to as MIGHTY GOD the way it was referred to Jehovah and Jesus Christ.

**1 Cor8:6" there is actually to us ONE GOD, the Father".
John17:3"that they know thee,the one true God"
in the words of Jesus and Paul, who is "the one true God"?

1Cor8:5,6, Is Jesus "the one true God?

You're still barking and growling.....

Is Jesus a lesser God or false God?

That's the question....no hide and seek for you.

It's a fuss to Emusan and other Trinity worshippers who twist Isaiah 9:6 to make false claims

Brainwashed JWs, I asked "What is so unique about Christ being Mighty God, if human are already a Mighty God?"

Rev3:14 where was Jesus Christ when he called himself "first born of creation" ?
Jesus says "my Father", "my God" (John20:17,
John14:28, on earth, & Rev3:2,5,12, in heaven . Jesus means the same thing. True or False?

He was in heaven....

Why did Jesus beg his Father to give him the glory he had before?

No where! You're lying....show us the verse....

@5) "The Messenger is not greater than his Owner who sent him",says Jesus Christ.
The honour for Jesus can not surpass his Father's.

See brainwashed....

Who tell you that Jesus honor should surpass His Father

Who are you to twist the word of Christ

Jesus said you should honor Him EVEN AS you honor Jehovah....did He ask you to honor Him above how you honor Jehovah

Have you been obeying Jesus word by honoring Him EVEN AS you honor Jehovah

This is one of the Jesus statement that will continue to nail all you enemies of Christ.

@6). **1 Timothy 2:5,6
" For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all....."

Dubious man, twisting the holy Bible, where did the man Jesus give himself as a ransom for all?
Did 1 Timothy 2:5,6 say Jesus Christ is a man in heaven?
If you're honest, your wayo is exposed..... Lols.

Is Jesus mediating now or not, that's the question?

When you're tired of crying...you'll be ok

@7
1 Cor15:20,23,42-50 is still incontrovertible.
Paul says their resurrection to heavenly life is patterned after Christ, "the first fruit of those who fell asleep in death." (vs 20,23. vs42-50).
They were chosen as co-rulers with Christ in heaven " to serve God his Father " in his heavenly kingdom. Rev1:5,6.

See brainwash.....

So you mean only 144,000 will resurrect....

What of those who will leave forever on earth, are they not going to be resurrected?

Is their resurrection going to be different from that of Christ?

The same 1 Corinthian 15 was about resurrection in general only a brainwashed JWs will limit it to some particular set of people.

Paul said, "we shall not all SLEEP but we shall all be changed" isn't this evident that some people will not die and still possess this SPIRITUAL BODY?

Barristter07:
Are humans not refferred to as El Giboa?

Anytime your lies are being exposed the next line is to run to Hebrew or Greek!

Show us how your translation render El Giboa as well as other translations in both verses.

Whether humans are directly refer to as MIGHTY GOD or not.

Barristter07:
When the KJV applied " Worship " to humans, Hope you agreed with that as well?

Yes I agreed

Then show us where it's a command to do so for human.

Or the content of the message.

EL - Gibboa translated Mighty God at Isaiah 9:6 was applied to Humans , agree?

it's just so funny how you people dubiously boycotted the main point of a post then attack strawman.

Show us how your own translation render it as well as others....

It's now you begin to refer back to Hebrew.....Robit!

"
to behold my Glory THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME " John 17:24

Do u admit you lied ? #coded C45

Brainwashed JWs.....
Like I always say, your ignorance of the scripture not to decipher when the scripture is talking about Jesus Christ before He became human and after He became human has led you to this.

In John 17:5 Jesus addressing the Father as "TO GLORIFY HIM ALONG WITH HIMSELF WITH the Glory He had with HIM BEFORE the world began"

This glory was before the creation, which it was never given but HAD TOGETHER WITH THE FATHER.

While John 17:24 was about the glory of His mission which the disciples were to behold.

And How does this make Jesus equal to HIS GOD or Make him Almighty?

Claiming equal honor with Jehovah isn't a strong evident to you nor proof anything just because watchtower has brainwashed you not to reason with it.

So if I tell you, you should start HONOR me EVEN AS you honor your Daddy, it means I didn't place myself on equal level with your dad, bah

Besides, have you been Honoring Jesus Christ just as you Honor Jehovah?

You lied, Jesus resurrected with a spiritual body, Is a spiritual body physical ?

Since the acclaimed Jesus body has wounds and scars and ressurection is to be Fashioned after , Do you agree it means people will be resurrected with their scars, hunch backs and other disabilities ?

Just shouting lie, like a rabies dog.

Are believer in Christ going to experience the same resurrection Jesus Christ experienced or not?

So which body is those who will resurrect on earth according to your organization with come with, spiritual or physical?

Ignorance at its peak, so you don't know that resurrection is a miracle which means people won't resurrect with sickness and disease.

Janosky:
@4)
Joshua 22:22, YHWH is the mighty God.
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a mighty God.
Psalms 82:1,6. Man is a mighty God.
how many mighty Gods are there?

Where in that psalms says Man is a mighty God?

Besides, my question is how many God do you have?

Is Jesus a lesser God or a false God?

If both man and Jesus are Mighty God, what is the fuss about Isaiah message telling the world that another MIGHTY GOD is coming.

@5). Why are you so daft?
John5:26. Jesus says "Just as the Father has life in himself, so HE has GRANTED the son to have life in himself"
Without Life the Father GRANTED His son, the son's glory na banza !!
Jesus says he received EVERYTHING from his Father. Matt28:18. John 5:26. Acts2:36.
Do you believe Jesus words?
Janosky, block your sense!!

You asked that we should show you what Jesus didn't receive, when I show you where Jesus said He had glory with the Father you resort to abuse. Where are your senses?

The Father granted the Son to have life when He became part of creation and received everything from His Father during this time....

Jesus Himself is The Eternal Life, how can Eternal life be created or given life again

Brainwashed JWs!

@6).
"That all men should honour the son even as they honour the Father".
PROOF that the Son had no honour from men UNTIL his Father's APPROVAL and command to men.

Since the Father approved it, have you been HONORING THE Son EVEN AS you honor Jehovah?

Or the command wasn't from Jehovah whom you claim to be obeying?

Don't dodge this part very crucial!

@7). LIAR.
Jesus sacrificial death paved the way for his mediation between God & man, that's the sermon of Paul to Timothy.
Paul NEVER said Jesus is a man in heaven.
The last Adam & life giving spirit,Jesus Christ is the first fruits of those resurrected from death to heavenly life. Flesh and blood can not inherit heavenly life. 1Cor15:20-50.

So you means Christ is not mediating for man again

Christ is in heaven mediating for people, so Apostle Paul called Him MAN not a spirit!

See how wrong doctrines are damaging your life.

Besides, I said resurrection of the saints is patterned after that of Christ, is everyone going to resurrect as a spirit as you claim about Jesus.

Janosky, the brainwashed JWs stop being deluded.

Janosky:
@1)
Matt 2:1-11. I'm not here to spoonfeed U. U done forget your so-called "3 wise men"?

Now my so called did he mention 3 WISE MEN in that post? Liar and shameless JWs....

@2. Matt2:2
*American King James Version
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the
Jews? for we have seen his star in the east,
and are come to worship him.

*Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying, Where is he that is born king of the
Jews? For we have seen his star in the east,
and are come to adore him.
*Darby Bible Translation
Where is the king of the Jews that has been
born? for we have seen his star in the east,
and have come to do him homage.

*Weymouth New Testament
inquiring, "Where is the newly born king of
the Jews? For we have seen his Star in the
east, and have come here to do him
homage."

*Young's Literal Translation
saying, 'Where is he who was born king of
the Jews? for we saw his star in the east,
and we came to bow to him.'

@Janosky, continue being foolish.

Idiot so you agree with these translations bah and are you using these translations in your house or hall

I can also give you 20 translations that rendered it like that KJV

OnPointMan:
Someone has provided a chapter from the book of revelation Rev 3:12 which shows Jesus still has a God even in heaven.

My brother, there's difference between a mighty God and the Almighty God.

So you relied on what someone said not how you yourself understand the scripture.

Jesus mission in redeeming man back to God hasn't finished so until the whole process is complete before "...God will be all in all" 1 Corin 15:23 this is one of the verse most people don't understand even though there use it to proof the subjection of the son to Father.

Why must there be a MIGHTY GOD If there is Almighty God?

Is God dragging position with anybody?

Isaiah says "There no God(god) beside Yahweh" is it lying when Jesus was there a mighty God too...

OnPointMan:
Thank you my brother. I agree with your assertion totally. Jesus definitely is a mighty God, but not the ALMIGHTY God.

God bless you.

Since you agree that Jesus is a Mighty God!

Is Jesus a lesser God?
Is Jesus a false God?

So how many God do you have?

Janosky:
Question 10,you say 3 men "worship" Jesus,Matt4:10, who did Jesus Christ tell you to worship ?
(If you can't understand how Greek "proskeneo" fits the context of Matt4:10 (as in Matt22:37, serve Jehovah with your everything) and Matt2:11 (pay homage not worship),you're get it wrong.

Where did you see 3 MEN in that post, robot

See what desperation is causing and how is damaging your spiritual life.

All just because you want to continue to wallow in your delusions and ignorance.

Who are you to decide how "proskeneo" should fit in the scripture?

What is your qualification in Greek language before you can tell how a Greek work should fit?

Your Question 17 get comma.
@1)
Is the Almighty God YHWH a child ?
You see how you dey reason !

Now it gets comma, simply because it exposes your evil doctrines.

How many God do you have if Jesus is a Mighty God according to Isaiah 9:6?

Please study Acts2:36. John 5:26. Matt28:18.
Just mention 1 thing that Jesus has which he said he never received from his Father and God.
You should ask yourself :
@2)
What does Jesus have, that he did not receive?

Jesus said "HE HAD GLORY WITH THE FATHER EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN"

He didn't say He received the glory!

He said "So that ALL MEN(unless you're not a man) should HONOR the Son, EVEN AS they Honor the Father"

In anyway you've been honoring Jehovah, Jesus says you should do the same for Him.

You can twist this verse as you want but the truth will always remain the truth irrespective of how it is.

@3)
Who is the God and Father of Jesus in heaven?
@4)
When Jesus in heaven says "my Father, "my God " (Rev3:2,5,12. John 14:28),what does Jesus mean?

If you honestly answer these question, you have already discovered the real answers to your 20 questions.

Jesus is still a man in heaven (I believe you've been told this times without number, even though your polluted watchtower mind couldn't allow you to accept)

Apostle Paul says "There is only one mediator between God and man, The MAN Jesus"

Jesus demonstrated many times to His disciples that He resurrected bodily...

Apostle Paul explains that the resurrection the Saints will experience is fashion after that of Christ....

So are you saying people who will resurrect will become a spirit being as you're propagating about Christ?

You can see how you stylishly boycotted my point and jump to cover it with a ridiculous question.

OnPointMan:
Do you mean that the Almighty was flogged and nailed to the cross. Wouldn't that be ridiculous?

That's why I use to say most people who fight against Trinity lack the understanding of it.

The question I asked you and as well were asked by the other person clarified it.

This is my point:

The New Testament writers would have greatly projected a polytheistic view of God if Trinity doctrine was not adopted. Why?

According to human perception of God:

God is a Creator and Eternal being.

Looking at it from this angle, you'll definitely see it from the scripture especially the NT that three difference persons were said to be Creator and Eternal.

The Father
The Word of God (Who became man)
The Holy Spirit.

That's why those questions you were asked pointed solely to what make God, God! Yet were said to be found in Jesus.

So your question seems like a ridicule rather than scriptural fact which is evident that you don't know when the scripture was talking about Christ before He became part of creation and after He entered the creation.

OnPointMan:
"My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." was Jesus praying to himself here? Do you want to tell me Jesus was delusional? No, God forbid. He was praying to God Almighty here.

You see your life

You use David as a case study and different questions were thrown to you, you couldn't attempt just one but attacking strawman arguments!

OnPointMan:
Many people say today that God begotten son(Jesus) is God Almighty, they argue that the Father and Son are one.

But the Bible made us know that David was God begotten son too. Does this also make David God Almighty?

If not, why not?

Cc jesusjnr, badaatum, enthronedbygod, bingbagbo, mrpresident1, vybzkartel, buytruth

So funny!!!

Do you think because the scripture says Jesus is the begotten son of God that's why, He was called God?

Just as someone has asked from above which you couldn't answer but stylishly boycotted.

How can Jesus says: "That ALL MEN should honor the Son, even AS THEY HONOR the Father"

So my point to you is this:

How do you honor The Father?

Jesus says you should do it the very same way for Him.

Or you don't believe this scripture?

heskeyw:
Jos is not even cold when compared to other towns in plateau. The cold in jos na only BSc him get. If u visit pankshin or mangu, na there u go see where cold dey offer PhD education to the residents.

I'm just about to say before I saw your post!

I don't know why they always say Jos is cold when Pankshin is colder than Jcity.

Justbeingreal:


Lots of buildings experience damping and it's not cool at all..

Another stupid building idea is putting water tank on top the building in a short while it starts wetting the walls and cause issues for the occupants..

Your first point is right

But I'm not totally agree with the second.
It's not a stupid idea, have you seen where a whole swimming pool was positioned at the top floor?

Putting overhead tank on top of roof isn't an issue but making adequate preparation for its usage and dilapidated.

Peacefullove:
assume ? You are high

Eccl 12 vs 7 spirit return to God who gave it..

Luke 23 vs 46 Father into your hands I entrust my spirit says Yeshua.

Where is the abode of God/Father to which the spirit return ?

Can you see your hypocrisy at work now?

You quoted Eccl before to argue that both Animals and humans have the same spirit but using the same Eccl now to proof that humans spirit returns to God.

So why is the spirit of Animals not return to God if both are the same?

Anyway, I'm done with you on this unless you have any other reasonable things to say again.

Peacefullove:
spirit of man is a person, yet Yeshua didn't return to The Father when he died ? Luke 23 vs 46



you are actually the dull person in this case, If spirit of man is a person, Yeshua person should have returned to the Father when he died. but Yeshua clearly said he didnt return to the Father . John 20:17

where is your senses ?

You keep exposing your ignorance....

That statement of John was made AFTER His resurrection.

Besides, the scripture says, "He (Jesus) who ascended far above Heaven...FIRST DESCENDED below to PREACH to SPIRITS in prison"

Your reasoning is sticking.

Hello, No one knows the things of God except the spirit of God but Yeshua said ONLY the Father knows the day and hour, your position can only be justified if you agree Yeshua must have lied that Only one person knows when they are actually Two persons ??

I know you don't believe in scripture but just to find something to attack.

Jesus statement didn't include The Holy Spirit so it's not you who should conclude where the scripture is didn't do that.

Another scripture confirmed that, the Holy Spirit knows the things of God.

So if you can't uphold scripture as the truth but tend to twist it, then it's left for you.

Shalom!

Peacefullove:
since spirit exist after death according to your brain dead theology , I want to believe that would mean Jesus proceed to heaven the moment he died, . agree ? going by Luke 23 vs 46

To your dead skull, why are you assuming something on my behalf and still want me to even agree with you?

Who told you that it was heaven He first proceeded to

Barristter07:
Before making the quote, I quoted a part of your post that said there is a spirit in human, In response I replied its the same spirit [ reffering to the spirit u mentioned earlier in humans ] -- that is in the Horses mentioned in Isaiah . emphasis on " Horses mentioned in Isaiah " . was making a comparison.

If not because your brain is paining you, where have I ever said human are SPIRIT BEING before?

It was stated clearly that the horses are FLESH....so I don't no the reason for that comparison.

that renders any description you read of humans as real not anthropomorphic.

Who is talking about anthropomorphic before?

I simply asked, do you fully understand the nature of a spirit to know they can't cry and gnashing of teeth?

You all will agree that a spirit can TALK, does that mean they have mouth like ours before they can talk

Barristter07:
" For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him? So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God." 1Cor 2:11

Spirit of man within him Knows all the things of the man , is it a person ? that's the same spirit said to be same with that of animals

Yes it's a person!

How many times are we going to repeat that before your dull skull grab that

since you have googled, who is Greater ?

Your dull head