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OP can you show us the mathematical solution for the exert time this will happen?

Because, Nigerians will smile again it's very very true but the question is WHEN 2018, 2020, 2025!

NOTE: Consider these factors!
1. #40,000 per bag of rice by December according to a Minister.
2. The projection of restoring and witnessing the TRUE CHANGE by 2018 according to VP
3. What would have happened to an average Nigerians within this period.

Thanks!

ladyF:
You do not get my point. Now I'm talking of people that are mad, they have a disease. They have no control over their actions.

If they have no control over their actions, what then is controlling their actions?

Maybe God will consider "intent" on judgement day. Religion is too confusing for me nowadays.

Religion is confusing to you since you've joined Nairaland after you failed to constantly digest the Word of God.

ifenes:
The Egyptians called the Sun God,and worshiped it every 7 days. Isn't that the same tradition of Christianity who changed the Sun to the son? Isn't your day of worship "Sun" day?

How does this answer the question OP raised

Just try to exhibit mature mind sometimes not all the time you'll be displaying this your attitude.

I can see that you're still ranting without addressing the main point have been raising since.

FriendChoice:
[s][/s]If you said Jesus is spirit just the way you said he is God, then you're a liar. God explain spirit in Quran as soul and in another meaning Angel Jibril. Look how useless you are, you are using history written by someone to make your point, quote Quran, hadith or keep quite. If i bring something outside the bible for you as history will you accept it.

What I want to clear from your ignoramus is:
[b]1. The Spirit of God which is a person is different from the BREATH of God which is LIFE
2. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE SPIRIT of God is uncreated which means is Eternal only attribute of God.
3. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE WORD of God is uncreated that's why Qur'an is eternal.
4. According to Muhammad belief and many Islamic scholars (NOTE: these are not enemies of Islam but those who interpreted the Qur'an) Isa is The Word of God and The Spirit of God.
5. If Isa is both The Word and Spirit of God, then Isa is more than a prophet. That's why you first erroneously argued that Jesus isn't a Spirit before you reset your brain to admit that YES HE IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

I quote hadith and Qur'an and supported it with how ISLAMIC SCHOLARS UNDERSTOOD it, is that materials outside Islam or you don't know what is the meaning of SCHOLARS is anymore

[size=14pt]The spirit of God is created[/size] and that is what is breathed in you and I and Jesus.

What else do I need to say after you can say The Spirit of God is created....

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

Like I said this verse doesn't mean Allah breath HIS SPIRIT into Adam but SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT which is LIFE the Spirit of God is a PERSON (Jibril according to you), why are you adamant to correction For you confusion to continue you have to resort to another translation.

Dont need to readdress this again. all have been addressed in previous post, for anyone reading, should check my previous reply on this. He is sticking to his lies. But thank God gradually you are believing in the truth. [size=14pt]Alhamdulillah he now agree that spirit can have two meanings. that is both angel and soul[/size]

Imaging, after I challenge you to provide the Arabic word for THE SPIRIT OF GOD and let us see whether it's used for human and I took my time to educate you the different between The Spirit of God and The Life in human you can come up with a fact LIE saying I agree

I know your style, you'll soon craw back to where you came from don't worry.

Everyone can see all the evident I've provided from my previous posts.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA I ask you to bring the verse where he said he was God, you cannot because there is not. You are now asking me to point where he says he was not God. Something that doesnt exit need not to be said. When i know i am man, why should i come and tell you i am man not bird. When you yourself said i am bird not man, then you prove it. Foolishness of highest order from you.

I've told you I don't need to bring any verse because I know where it will end that's why I re-directed the question to you.

At least if you can provide a single verse where Jesus said openly that "I am not God" or "don't worship me" and I'm here still telling you that Jesus is God that means something is wrong somewhere.

But since Jesus neither says "I AM God nor I AM not God" or "Worship me nor don't worship me" I think the best is to look at the claims He made and compared them with God's nature.

The moment Muslim should referred God as father, that the moment you will say he own begotten son. I only quote bible for you because thats your believe]

Shut the fucking up, you quoted places not just one where Jesus called God His Father which is against your believe, you're here now spewing rubbish. It's evident that Jesus can't be a Muslim since He addressed God as His Father you just want to twist the evident.

We dont care about what you said or your insult about Allah (SWT) to Muhammad (SAW). Simple you insult the lord of Jesus and that is Allah. The prayer is from the Bible not Quran. The question is straight forward. This is the one of the reason you people failed exam. SAY AMEEN ITS BIBLE VERSE Or You dont believe in the entire Bible. Quote any verse in the Quran dont add your words to it. Ask me to say Ameen and see.

Nobody is insulting, just show me where it was written in the Bible or even a claim by any Christians bodies that God is one of the Three in TRINITY if not that Qur'anic verse is wrong and once is wrong that means the Author is a liar.

Say Ameen Below, it will save us all from this discussion

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

My question again, what is prayer in this It's this how you pray in Islam

You're still beating around the bush.

FriendChoice:
Why taking me back. The Hadith is correct, [size=14pt]the spirit of God is also breathed[/size] in you also. I quote the verse 4 you, simple as that. I not saying you must agree with the verse. But I am done with that, don't take me back. The truth is clear from the false.


And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]




I also have that spirit in me, what is so special about it.

"Who made everything He has created good and He began the creation of man from clay. Then he made his offsprings (children of Adam) from semen of despised water. "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit (soul) And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" [Al-Qur’an 32:7:8:9]

Sorry, I can see you're the one who doesn't understand your own book.

Allah breath SOMETHING of His spirit NOT HIS OWN SPIRIT the Spirit of God is different from the breath of God that imparts life in every human, gosh...which Islamic school did you attend? This is why I haven't seen any Islamic scholar equating the Spirit of God and what God breath inside human which is LIFE.

At this time if you can't differentiate between the Spirit of God and the breath of God which LIFE sorry is your case.

You can try better in creating another history of Islam. Deceive yourself, Verses and hadith are present clearly explaining to you, you went to bring fabricated story and bring it to me. Son of Spirit Never Islam. Does not exist.

Useless excuse, please tell that to your scholar Ibn Arabi!

They are very correct, he is the spirit of God. His spirit, what's wrong with there, the spirit is also breathed in you. And that's why I love the verse below, it doesn't stop their it go on to further warn you people about Trinity

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171] .

But you're claiming before that His not a Spirit. What reset your brain?

Now for you to acknowledge that Isa is the Spirit of God if you like attach any meaning you want to it but the truth is everyone knows what THE SPIRIT OF GOD means. The Spirit of God is uncreated and absolutely within the being of God.

Ist a new thing for word to have two meanings.

Show us the Arabic word for the Spirit of God and where the same word was used for human being.

"Say: the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as guidance and glad tidings to Muslims." — Qur'an, sura 16 (An-Nahl ), ayat 102 [5] . Angel Jibril is the one who bring revelation the verse confirm it

Yes according to Islam Angel Jibril and Holy Spirit are both same which makes It a PERSON. That is, a being that possesses personality.
Now to say this being is what Allah breath into you is laughable and show the level of your understanding about Islam itself.

And when in the previous verses GOD breathed Spirit (soul in human being) what's wrong there

Now you said GOD BREATH SPIRIT which means human soul but this is different from God breath HIS SPIRIT, you're now using style to tell us that THE SPIRIT of God is different from the breath of God. Whereas, everyone knows!

What are you then proving with the verses above. Jesus is man and son of a man. for God is not son of a man. What exactly did you said.

[b] And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ ( Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10 )

God say non else, you said no. God, Jesus, then non else. Bunch of liars.

Like I said, you can continue to quote anywhere you like from the Holy Bible that's your own cup of tea because you know vividly that you've been cheery picking it and even given them your own interpretation.

So if I start counter your claim by bringing other Biblical passages what you'll resort to is that Bible is corrupt.

The Muslims believe the Prophets were sinless and pure, it doesn’t mean they were divine. The Holy Quran validates the Prophets of God by denying the falsehood of the Bible.

No wonder Muhammad keeps asking for the forgiveness of his sins, keep deceiving yourself.

Christians boast that Jesus was sinless and pure, yet the Bible teaches the exact opposite. Jesus was adopted into a cursed lineage; he was baptized to remove the sins. Christians believe the exact opposite of the New Testament.
The baptism itself was the first awkward fact. Ordinarily, John's baptism stood as a sign that one had repented of sin: "Abbaptism in token of repentance, for the forgiveness of sins"

(Mark 1:4). It appears not to have troubled Mark that he presented Jesus as a repentant sinner : [/b]

Cheep propaganda, Muhammad and many Islamic scholars belief that Jesus lives a perfect life. So you can continue to twist The Word of God as you like.

I wount even waste my time, bringing the verses I earlier explain.

When in actual sense you explained nothing.

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ . Or I am God in form of a man

And I guess also that there is a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible where Jesus Christ says 'I am not God' - or where He says 'Don't worship me' or I am not God in form of man.

Bring the place.??.? rather than saying trash.

Bring the place rather than saying rubbish.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists. [Qur'an 3:67]

The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus, the Bible confirms it.

Yet Jesus called God His Father and Abraham Islam and you Muslims dare not call God Father...what a dunce!

Stop running from this, as you can see I don't run from yours I will use the verse below as prayer. Say Ameen. Looking forward for your big Ameeeeen. If indeed you're a Christian not hypocrite.

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

So if this is a prayer, that means Apostle Paul speaks the mind of God and that made your Muhammad a liar.

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If.they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (Quran 5:73-75)

Torah: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)
God is one and none else. Come and deny your Bible

Please can you show me from the Holy Bible where it was written that God is one of the TRINITY?

Another lie from Allah, Christians have never said God is one of the three in Trinity. If your Allah is ignorant of this how much more you followers.

FriendChoice:
JESUS (PBUH) "IS A WORD FROM ALLAH" NOT "THE WORD OF ALLAH" The Qur’an mentions in Surah Ali ‘Imran Chapter 3 verse 45

"Behold! The angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a WORD FROM HIM: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah. [Al-Qur’an 3:45]

Jesus (pbuh) is referred in the Qur’an as a word
from Allah and not as ‘the word of Allah’. "A word" of Allah means a message of Allah. If a person is referred to as "a word" from Allah, it means that he is a Messenger or a Prophet of Allah.

And the Hadith I quoted where Muhammad called Isa [b]THE WORD and THE SPIRIT of Allah means Muhammad is wrong, right? Just continue....

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Just tell me that this Hadith isn't correct then I'll arrest my case.

Different titles are given to different prophets (pbut). Whenever a title is given to a prophet (pbuh), it does not necessarily mean that the other prophets do not have the same characteristic or quality. For e.g. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Khaleelullah, a friend of Allah. This does not indicate that all the other Prophets (pbuh) were not the friends of Allah. Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kaleemullah, indicating that God spoke to him [/b]

Yet the Title of Isa is the ONLY one that contains ETERNAL part of God...SMH

JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED "A WORD" OF ALLAH

Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah i.e. a word of Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39

"There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer! While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a WORD FROM ALLAH, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous." [Al-Qur’an 3:39]

But Muhammad and many Islamic scholars said Isa is the Kalimatuhu (the very word of Allah- just like Qur'an) and not just Kalimat-Minhu (a word from him). It's like you know more than them.

And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through OUR ANGEL[Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. [Quran 21:91]


[the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] , THROUGH OUR ANGEL and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient. [Qur'an 66:12]

The verse here is talking on Angel Jibril as spirit. Don't worry, I will help you with the verse that say Jesus is Spirit from God



JESUS (PBUH) REFERRED AS RUHULLAH - A SPIRIT OF ALLAH

Jesus (pbuh) also never referred to as Ruhullah "a spirit of Allah" but as a spirit from Allah in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 171

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171]

And yet your Muhammad and Islamic scholars said this about Isa:

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Ibn Arabi's statement is perhaps the closest acknowledgement any Muslim has ever made in relation to Jesus' Deity: "Surely," he said, "He has no equal. He is the Spirit and the Son of the Spirit, and Mary is His mother." (Quoted by Robert Payne in The History of Islam, p.83)

When we keep in mind that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and Christ is the Spirit and the Spirit's Son, this makes Christ God, the Son of God!

Muhammad Ayub's book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, vol. II. The House of Imran:
Tabari, an Islamic scholar quotes on the authority of Al-Suddi a debate between the Christians of Najran and Muhammad in which Muhammad was asked what he thought of Jesus, to which he answered: "He is the servant of God, His Spirit and Word." (p.184)

Are these people wrong or you're the only person having contrary view here?

SPIRIT OF ALLAH IS BREATHED IN EVERY HUMAN BEING

A spirit from Allah does not indicate that Jesus (pbuh) is God. The Qur’an mentions in several places that Allah breathed into the human beings

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

"Who made everything He has created good and He began the creation of man from clay. Then he made his offsprings (children of Adam) from semen of despised water. "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit (soul) And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" [Al-Qur’an 32:7:8:9]


The spirit of God is breath to all human being including you and me. Jesus, Adam, Abraham, John etc Peace be upon them all have spirit of God breathed in them

So, the Spirit of God is no more person again because according to Muhammad & Muslims understanding THE SPIRIT of God is Angel Jibril that brought down Qur'an and imparted Isa life inside Mary. So it means all Muslims have Angel Jibril inside them, that's wonderful

You did not address the verses NOT because I twisted them, But rather YOU CANNOT SIMPLY. EVEN NOW YOU DID NOT.

You believe Jesus is a man and you worship him, and he is servant of God and you still worship, I will use the verse below as prayer. Say Ameen. Looking forward for your big Ameeeeen. If indeed you're a Christian not hypocrite.

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

I know the next thing you'll do is to accuse Apostle Paul of false teaching but before then is what Apostle Paul wrote here true?

God have no flesh nor bones, Jesus tells you to touch and feel him. For God is not a man

So why was Jesus telling people to touch and feel Him if not to prove something to them?

What is the meaning of Jesus statement, just to prove that He is just a man or He has undergone crucifixion?

Then what point did you make above, you're only affirming to me he is not God. God is not man and Jesus is Man. You even go further in telling me God is not son of man. While Jesus is son Mary, a woman. For some of you that call Marry God, marry is the daughter of Man and Woman. For God is not the Son of Man. Now show me where I twisted, after you finished giving me more reference. Once again thank you for exposing my evil heart

No, if I should prove that verse further you'll know that you've missed it.

The actual point in the verse is God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent..."

From both Islamic and Christianity believe Jesus is the only person who neither sin not ask for forgiveness which means He is God since it's only man that sin and repent.

So God can Now have flesh when Jesus himself tells you he has bones and God have no bones, God don't eat Jesus eat. When someone eat he need to visit the toilet. What goes in goes out. Stop beating around the bush blaa blaa. State the verse where God came in form of a man?

Olodo...even a primary school student will grab the example I gave in nanosecond.

Let me give you another example since you're too dull to grab the first.
We've seen people making this phrase "ANIMAL in human flesh"
So, Ade is an ANIMAL is different from Ade came in an ANIMAL form.
So Jesus is God but came to earth in a MAN FORM easy to understand.

(i)"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24 (ii)"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ .
Infact if you read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter No.14, Verse No.28 he said… My Father is greater than I’ ; Gospel of John, Chapter No.10, Verse No.29… ‘My Father is greater than all’ ; Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.12, Verse No.28… ‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’; Gospel of Luke, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20… ‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’;

But cropped out where Jesus said "My Father and I are one" lol.....that's what I'm saying cherry pick any part you like and thinking you're making sense.

Gospel of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.30… ‘I can of my own self do nothing – As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ – he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim – and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God

Despite Jesus being referring to God as His Father in the above quoted Bible and you still think He is a Muslim still baffles me. Typical Muslim thinking up side down.

I can go on an on to quote Bible where Jesus deity is mention but I know it will just lead to a fruitless effort because you'll start to say Bible is corrupt bla bla....so enjoying your perverted understanding of those verses you're quoted.

FriendChoice:
I am quoting you what you believe in, you don't agree in Islam neither Quran, but you quote it to me to justify your claim that Jesus is spirit. Don't you ? Yes or No. Answer me.

Should I quote the Qur'an for you as reference.??. That will be even easier 4 me.

If you cannot defend yourself or your religion, its not by forced, you can keep quite. If I don't believe in it, don't you? What should I then use 4 u as reference. pls tell me. Or you don't believe in Bible again .

There is deferent, I quote Qur'an and how Muhammad & Islamic scholars understood those verses NOT MY OWN INTERPRETATION but you quote Bible with your own interpretation even when those verses didn't support your believe.

And this is what I mean; In Luke you quoted Jesus was proving His crucifixion to His disciples to show them that it is the same person they associated with before He was crucified that is still standing with them but you took that to mean He is a MAN. What was Jesus Christ trying to prove before making this statement "Behold my HANDS and my FEET, that it is I myself:", what happened to Jesus' HANDS and FEET that He said people should behold?

I know you can't answer them and this shows that you just gave that verse the meaning you want it to have.

udatso:
So

That Allah will learn from Yahweh on how to perform miracles!

FriendChoice:
Bible is corrupted: There are many lie, and interpolations. Jesus is a Muslim, A Servant of God. A Man and A prophet just like Abraham and Adam peace be upon them all.

I know you will still come to this delusion of yours yet Bible is corrupt but you've been quoting the same Bible to prove something.

I bet you will never address this verses above?.?.? even your pastor I challenge him to answer this verses above.

You keep saying they never address those verses you quoted when in reality you're just ridiculing yourself.

Imaging quoting Luke 24:39 where Jesus showed His disciples His hands and legs of Nails after crucifixion yet do you believe that Jesus was crucified?

The question is will you openly accept it?

Again you didn't answer my question, do you agree that Isa is the Word of God?

FriendChoice:
yes and I want to see where he said jesus is spirit.

"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity; We breathed into her of our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples." S. 21:91

"And Mary daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of our Spirit; and she testified to the truths of the words of her Lord and of His revelations, and was one of the devout (servants)." S. 66:12

How Islamic scholars understood these verses: Ibn Abbas proclaims, "As it was the Spirit which was breathed into him and the Holy One is Allah, so he is the Spirit of Allah." (3:13)
Ibn A'ta states, "The most excellent plants are those whose fruits are like Isa, the Spirit of God." (3:13)

I know you might want to say something funny but I will back it up with more proof.

From Muhammad himself: According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

If you disagree with your own prophet and some Islamic scholars then sorry is your case!

You did not address the Bible verses I quote. or they are better than your reasoning. Don't ignore those Biblecal Verses above.

I don't need to address those Biblical verses you quoted simply because you misapplied and cherry pick them.

But let me clear something here

1. No Christians will ever deny that Jesus is not a man nor the servant of God neither God is a man
2. To Christians Jesus Christ is a Prophet, Teacher e.t.c in a sense that He came in human form.
3. But what Christians are saying is that The MAN Jesus is more than just a man, prophet and any other servant of God ever known because He is the Eternal Word of God incarnated.

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Num 23:19

"I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city." Hosea 11:9

These are the complete verse, so see it yourself how you've twisted those verses just to satisfy your evil heart.

Lastly, Christians didn't make the MAN Jesus God but their Holy Book reveals that the Eternal Word of God which is God in essence entered His own creation by taken up the form of man.

So, God is not a man is different from God came in form of a man!

FriendChoice:
Qur'an don't regard Isah as Spirit. Where did you find that. He is not a spirit even the Bible confirms it.

Lolzzzz that means you don't know your Qur'an and Muhammad is lying when he said Isa is the Spirit of God.

SMH...

But you agree that Isa is the Word of Allah, right?

JMAN05:
Have u wondered why Jesus reply calmlybto some, but criticise some? If younknow the answer to that, you will understand my style in this board. Matt 23:15-39

Will you shut up, you hypocrite?

Trying to involve Jesus after you reigned abuse on someone, in which something like that haven't been said to you before you'll start saying nonsense and used it as an excuse to run away from thread.

FriendChoice:
Jesus first have Islam and last he has Islam. Jesus was never a Christian. He is a Muslim

FriendChoice:
You Just blaspheme against our Prophet Jesus (SAW) for saying he is God.

So answer this, why Qur'an is eternal as the word of Allah but Isa who is both the word and the Spirit of Allah isn't Eternal? because only God is eternal.

My own is love before even sight

Taeewo:
Ur God? Please my brother, can u just give me a verse in Holy Bible where Jesus called himself GOD

You don't even need a quote from the Bible unless if you tell me that you're not agree with the OP on this.

The OP said and I quote "To Muslims, Jesus – or ‘Issa – is a saviour, a reformist, the Messiah (the anointed one), the "Word of God".

Here if it's true Muslims believe that Jesus is the Word of God meanwhile the Arabic word used for Issa as the word of God is the same used for Qur'an.

Muslims believe that Qur'an is eternal since It came from Allah, so if Qur'an is eternal because it's the word of God, why Issa not also eternal as the word of God?

In fact Muhammad himself believed that Issa is the SPIRIT OF GOD. Can a being like this no more than just a prophet? How many prophets have these attributes

JMAN05:
A big time clown, a flimflammed buffoon. He lies and lies and cannot say the church he attends cos he knows what the preaching comparison will do. He is just a phony.

@bold just let me see you use one useless excuse to run away from any thread again.

Segehvoice:
Ramans 6 v 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin
Romans 6v 23 For the wages of sin is death:but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord..So get it,death is enough punishment,

@bold is what makes JWs say that people sins are forgiven at death. Now kindly answer this question!

You believe some JWs will survive the Armageddon and the same people will pass into the paradise earth, so when was these people's sins forgiven?

God told Adam that he would die not that he will be thrown into hellfire, so get ur interpretation right.

Yet Jehovah says He will destroy people with fire at Armageddon

Anytime you says God will throw people into hellfire,You make God looks wicked and cruel or what can someone do that will make God to throw him into hell indefinitely,and God will close his ears to agonies forever.

But God is not wicked when He use fire to devour people and watch them roast to death even allow worm and birds to eat up the Armageddon victim's flesh. Hypocrite!

How cruel will God be in the sight of Angels and Humans in heaven

Answer it yourself!

Jozzy4:
after reading the bold , you expect me to take you serious ?

Olodo, this is what I wrote on that thread and that was 2013

"So I used all the names of God; be Jehovah, I Am, Jealous(in provocative prayer) but conscience of biaslism won't allow some people to use other name."

Like I said, the rendering of Jehovah is wrong even your organization know.

Jozzy4:
That makes you a Liar.

Here you testify Jehovah is Gods name


https://www.nairaland.com/1524683/reason-why-jehovah-witnesses-call


Here you testify again that Yahweh is Gods name in Hebrew



https://www.nairaland.com/2520043/what-makes-god-god/1


So what is your problem ?

Imaging, quoting different thread to justify your lie is alarming.

When I said I used God's Name Jehovah and I said the great Yahweh in Hebrew, am I proving something different or similar between the Names?

Why can't you quote what lead to those statements?

I repeat, the rendering of Jehovah is inaccurate which makes your organization name to be wrong.

Jozzy4:
Yahweh in Hebrew , Jehovah in English.

Why is it convenient for you to lie openly like this? Devil himself will be afraid at your lie. One word fear God!

OLAADEGBU:
Is Sunday the Christian Sabbath? Did Christianity move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

No specific day for Sabbath any more after Christ has come.

Jozzy4:
smiles.. but is it only Jehovah's witnesses that should use the name Sir ?

Even the rendering JEHOVAH is inaccurate which means your organization name is also wrong. YAHWEH is more accurate than Jehovah.

So spear us that!

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness. No reply ?

You wont see them on a thread like this my brother, even when they come to my place and I asked this question they will stylishly run away and never come back even with a promise that they will come again.

cnonyechi:
I HEAR U

Are you a male?

I once created a thread and this is what I wrote:

>The earth itself is revolving at a speed of 1000 miles per hour at the equator. If it were to revolve at only 100 miles per hour, night and day would increase ten times in duration, plants would be scorched in the day and seedlings would be frozen to death at night.

>If the atmosphere were thinner than at present, millions of meteors which are burned up in the air would fall to earth and cause terrible fires." {Wu, Questions Concerning the Faith , pp. 5-6. See also Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 163}.

>Liquid water, if it exists elsewhere, is rare. Most of the universe consists of flaming gasses or frozen desolation:

>If earth had just a little more water, continents would not extend above sea level.

>Had there been more CO2 earth would probably have remained to hot to host life, much like Venus.

>The most common stars in galaxy are - fainter than the sun and nearly 100 times more numerous - these are uninhabitable for other reasons. Our star is just OK! {Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 51-54, 270}

>Earth is situated at the right distance from the center of our galaxy. Closer to the center, there are too many deadly gamma rays and X-rays. However, a planet too far out from the center of its galaxy would not have a metal core which produces magnetism which is also helpful in protecting earth from harmful radiation. {PeterD. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 28-29}.

>If the moon were closer to the earth the tide would flood all lands even the high mountains. In addition, "Earth's climatic stability is dependent to a large extent on the existence of the Moon." {James Kasting as quoted in Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 266}.

>If the earth were the size of its moon, its gravity would not be strong enough to hold an atmosphere; too large, its gravity would crush us to the ground.

Not only is the proportion of oxygen to the other gasses just right to let us breathe, but also to provide an ozone layer which stops the ultraviolet radiation which would otherwise destroy all life.

>If the ozone layer were too thick, not enough heat would reach the earth, if too thin, ultraviolet rays would penetrate and kill all life.

>If the earth's available oxygen, both in the atmosphere and absorbed in water were much less, animal life on land and in the sea could not exist. If there were much more oxygen, fires would rage out of control.

>While most materials contract when they freeze, water expands by about one-eleventh of its volume. This makes ice float on top of a lake, preventing the lake from freezing all the way through and killing all the fish.

Remember 'natural selection' does not apply here.

Let's take a look at it this way:

APC:- PDP has destroyed this country by looted the treasury dry.

APC:- The recovery money isn't enough to revive the economy.

This means the money looted by PDP are in real sense not up to those medal figures

firestar:
Emusan. You are rude.

Lol...typical JWs

firestar:
With that rude response, I commend him further. Show proper courtesy please.

Show me what rude in my post, just highlight them!

Don't forget to answer my question

firestar:
Commendable work you're doing JMAN05.

Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

>God and the spirits being have a body
>Spirit is nothing but a mere life force not a personality on its own
>Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.
>The man Jesus has only one nature which is just MAN no divine.
These are widely believes of all Jehovah Witnesses.

With this in mind, let's look at the logical reason behind how JWs explained the way the Son of God (Jesus Christ) was sent to earth.

“Unlike any human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before HE WAS BORN ON EARTH (John 8:23)” (Good news from God, pg. 8.) This means a BEING(non-human) with a body and spirit lives in heaven before came to earth.

This statement seems to agree with other Bible believing Christians about Jesus Christ that The man Jesus is both Divine and Man as having two natures i.e the Divine person dwells in the human body God produced in the ovum of Mary. Heb 10:5

JWs disagree with this by saying Jesus only had one nature which is MAN only.

KEY NOTE: If God said He sent His Son into the world and JWs confirmed that this Son lives in heaven before He was born on earth but later said Jesus had only one nature; I ask what did God actually send?

JWs seem to have answer to this question by saying:
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg.

KEY NOTE: Notice that it was the LIFE of the Son that was sent and this is the people who believe that the spirits being have a BODY. So, where is the body that this LIFE was removed? No JWs can provide a reasonable answer to this and in other word it means Jehovah killed His Son not that He sent Him since JWs believed that Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.

Moreover, saying "God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE..." we can then ask JWs what do they believe about LIFE itself?
These are the people who believe that LIFE/SPIRIT in every being is nothing but LIFE FORCE, that's why Holy Spirit was believed to be an ACTIVE FORCE of God and human's spirit to be a mere force that energises the body. So, life/spirit in general doesn't have any personal trait in it.

Then, we can as well ask JWs that doesn't this mean that Jehovah actually killed His Son and eventually sent nothing to earth? Though, they will never say YES to this question but in critical view of their claim it boils down to this.

In Summary for better understanding
>God sent His Son (a being with body and spirit/life) to earth
>But it was only His LIFE that God transferred
>Which means the body of the Son is lifeless in heaven
>And life to an average JWs is nothing but a mere life force that energises the body
>It simply means that God killed His Son and end up sent nothing to earth.

I come to conclude that JW's Jesus is totally different from the TRUE Biblical Jesus which other Bible believing Christians know because God can not lie for He said, He sent His Son and His Son also said in many places that His Father sent Him even makes reference to His existence before He came to earth.

Jesus once asked people "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"
It is not meaningless life/life force that lives in heaven before but the real Son of God and it was this same Son of God that is going back to heaven.

JMAN05:
Let it slide since u aren't civil.

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