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tintingz: Who's behaving like one.

You know.

The word "iqra" means to read or recite this is the first word he said to the Prophet(sa).

Which one actually or did jibril say read and recite at the same time?

{Read: In the name of the Lord Who creates, Creates man from a clot. Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who teaches by the pen, Teaches man that which he knew not. }(Al ahlaq : 96)

You know the read in front was inserted by you.
Is it every time Jiril come to Muhammad that It always says 'Read' or the first time of revelation?
What material jibril bring for Muhammad to read from?

You should know that Muhammed(sa) was writing down exact what Gabriel revealed to him from Allah(swt), he was unlettered before the angel appeared to him.

This is pure lie from the planet nearest to the throne of Allah where Muhammad thought Sun always worships before appears in the morning.

Muhammad is the one who wrote Qur'an with his own land.

You have even make it clearer by including "qul" which means "say".

You didn't see the reason I mentioned this word but quickly use it to altered Allah's word.

Say: Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" [Quran 1quote
Say: He, Allah, is One. Allah is He on Whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And none is like Him. [Quran 112:1-4]

You can see what I'm saying now you've inserted the word "SAY" in front of those verses which weren't appeared in the original manuscript.

Angel Gabriel was like a teacher to Muhammed(sa)

I see like teacher like student.

This how all ancient text were written.

I'm sorry Bible was not written that way.
There's always a demarcation between the SUBJECT and the OBJECT, SPEAKER and whom was been addressed or speak on his behalf.

Yes, this is how a messenger present his message.

Why the same angel Gabriel didn't use the same style in Bible?

This is a recitation message from Allah given to Jibril to deliver it to Muhammad (sa) and mankind.

If it was so;
Here Jibril stands as an intermediary or Narrator which It supposed to be speaking in Third person SINGULAR pronouns for Allah or putting 'say' (like Bible always distinguished the speaker's statement from that of God i.e "The Lord said or God said"

The Quran is unique in words and message.

Unique indeed! When there are a lot of conflicting words inside.

How is the Quran confusing? I have given you an example of a roman speaker.

Was angel jibril copying the style expression of Roman when Qur'an supposed to be uncreated word of Allah?

See how it's confusing and fail the inspired written of God.
See the encountered of Moses with Allah
So, when he(Moses) came to it, he(Moses) was called: 'Blessed is he who is in the fire, and he who is about it. Glory be to God, the
Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise. Surah 27:7-14

Here the writer/narrator has said that "Moses was called..." which means Allah supposes to begin Its statement BUT see what Allah started with "Blessed is HE who is in the fire.....LATER ....Glory be to God" After this we see Allah saying "Moses, behold it is I, God..."

You can see that the person who called Moses is the one praising the one in the fire and even referred to being in the fire as a deity then later identified itself as Allah.
What a confusion.

The bible was written by historian.
...but let read from Samuel speech as an example.

1Samuel 15
Samuel also said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now
therefore, heed the voice of the words of the
LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'I will
punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he
ambushed him on the way when he came up from
Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly
destroy all that they have, and do not spare
them. But kill both man and woman, infant and
nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'
We can see Samuel here presenting Jehovah's word/message to Saul.

Thank God that you strongly agree with me that the writer of Bible always differentiate the writer's word for being interjected with God's own with phrase "Thus saith the Lord of host....." compared this with that of Moses.

Note: ancient texts is different from modern text.

I know and Quran it's not the first ancient book.

That's why we have different translations of the holy books.

Yes! But no translation has able to clarify all these instead they keep corrupting the original text in other to cover up, like you did by inserting SAY in front of those surah.

@Rilwayne001

SAMPLE 1

Analysis of Moses encountered with Allah.

I'll insert my word in bracket.

So, when he(Moses) came to it, he(Moses) was called 'Blessed is he who is in the fire, and he who is about it. Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise.

From this surah many problems arise:
1) The underlined statement was already indicated that Moses was called by someone.
Then if Moses was called, who called Moses?

2) We see the narrator trying to made us know that another person is now talking which suppose to be Allah inside the burning bush.

3) The person who called Moses firstly praised him/herself with the statement "Blessed is he who is in the fire...."
NOTE: the HE in this phrase suppose to be referring to Allah BUT the question we must ask here is who is talking when the underlined statement "....who is in the fire" already made it clear that it's Allah that is actually in the fire?

4) The narrator still goes on to say "Glory be to GOD" remember after Moses was called by the one who is in the fire who supposedly to be Allah is when the conversation begins.

5) To tell you that this is purely wrong linguistic composition the narrator/writer finally identified Allah as the SPEAKER by this statement "Moses, behold it is I, God

Doesn't the same God first says "Blessed is he.......or....Glory be to God"? whose God Blessed or Glory be to?
Could it be Allah who later identified Itself as God again or angel Jibril who is narrating the story?

Definitely it could not be Jibril because MOSES was already called by the one in the fire.

So it is Allah who is praising Itself or another God.

Sample 2 is coming!

Next time don't quote your OWN post when you need a reply.

Rilwayne001: ANd before i start replying the OP...Please answer this questions

I will sir.

First of all, who was the one talking here, God or the writer of Genesis?, Is the writer present when God was Doing all this talkings?
And can you please expatiate about US and OUR in the passage?

Firstly, Gen 1:26-27 you quoted above pose no problem for Christian because The Father was talking to the Son and the Holy Sprit. This indicate how a Holy book full of wisdom should be arranged. So this should tell you that Yahweh is a Trinity right from the Genesis.

Secondly, see the way the writer concisely arranged his word by differentiating when God is talking in PLURALITY without shifting in grammatical expression this is how a knowledgeable God directs His writing not like that of QUR'AN

Lastly, the opening words in that verse is "And God said.." which implies that the narrator or the speaker has stopped talking only interjecting God's own word which is very clear.

NOTE: Some linguistics Quranic problem can still be overlooked if this Arabic word "qul" which means "say" inserted at the beginning of those verses but nothing like that.

What most English translators usually do is to insert this word "say" to make it looks as if the statement is actually from Allah that Jibril is just a narrator.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Also who was talking here?, the person must have been present there..

You're mistaken, the speaker or Narrator has already indicated who was talking by the phrase "So God.....in the image of GOD.... the narrator didn't say "I" "me" or using a plural pronouns 'We or Us' (which will indicate that the speaker is part of people who partakes in the creation of man like angel Jibril always does.


I challenge you to produce a clear verse like this in the Qur'an where the word of the speaker or narrator was well arranged without conflicting Allah's word or makes the speaker looks like many people were talking THIS MUST NOT include translator's insertion.


I believe this answer other post of yours.

From everything you put up there about jibril are we to conclude that Angel Jibril is the same as Allah or because of its rank and character that gave It the audacity to be using PERSONAL pronouns in delivering the message when 'I' 'me' are to be reference to Allah?

Or the poor arrangement of words to differentiate the Narrator from the speaker which suppose to be Allah.

I'll juxtapose more about the story of Moses to have the clue of what I'm talking about.

Rilwayne001: One thing i want you to note is that the Quran was not revealed in english it was only tranlated to wnglish language, and we cannot grasp the original message in other language like the one it was revealed..

Does it mean we can't express ourselves in Arabic clearly the way we express ourselves in English.

First of all, you have provide the muslim scholars who agreed that HIM and HIS is a royal pronouns...
Please provide prove for this.

I don't need to provide anything even you yourself must agree because the reason they claimed royal pronouns for We, Us or Our is to guide against MANY GODHEAD in the Qur'an BUT IF YOU disagree then tell us why Allah is using plural PERSONAL pronouns when Allah is one.

The prophet's word does not appear in the Quran, but that of the Angel appeared in it because i wonder how the person through whom the message is conveyed will not appear in it, since it is not that a book was just given to him.

So you agree that Qur'an is not 100% Allah's Allah's word.
Then Jibril is also another Allah for using PERSONAL AND PLURAL FIRST person pronouns.

“[That] indeed, the Qur’an is a word [conveyed by] a NOBLE messenger. [Who is] possessed of power and with the Owner of the Throne, secure [in position].Obeyed there [in the heavens] and trustworthy. And your companion is not [at all] mad.And he has already seen Gabriel in the clear horizon.” [Surah At-Takweer: 81:19-23]

See how those inserted words beautify this sura.
If you remove all the inserted words you yourself know what will happen to the rest of the statement....MEANINGLESS!

Is the bible word of Yahweh or of those 40+ men that wrote it?

The Bible is the word of Yahweh whom He used those 40+ men to convey to the rest of the world.
Remember Christian didn't claim Yahweh recites or dictate all the words in the Bible rather Yahweh uses His Holy Spirit to guide each one BUT as the writers were puting down their work they chose the style.

please answer my questions too before we move further..

I've answered sir.

tintingz: stop behaving like one

Then continue to live like one.

Yes

Then see your next statements.

The first word Angel Gabriel said to Muhammed(sa) was "Read", Gabriel was presenting the exact word Allah said.

READ OR RECITE?
If Jibril says 'read' according to you it different from saying 'SAY' which means it's its speech to another AND NO WHERE DOES THE WORD 'SAY' OR QUL in Arabic occurred original manuscript.

If you have watch roman movies you will see how the emperor messenger will present his message to the crowd,

This then prove that Qur'an contains human elements copy from another language style.

"Ceazer said you should all pay your taxes, He will punish anyone who fails to pay his/her tax. I'm your lord here and I've spoken, the leader the great."

How many ancient Arab historian use this type of style in their writing?
Why citing example from Roman and not Arabic counterpart to show us that, that is the normal system of communication familiar with at that time?

The messenger here is presenting the emperor message, and the 'he' 'I'm' 'the great' is referring to one person the ceazer.

This is where the problem lies in your example one can see clearly at the beginning of the speaker's statement that the speakers is speaking ON BEHALF of someone with opening word "CEAZER SAID...." BUT this type of expression rear in the Qur'an ESPECIALLY THE SURA that leads to this long post.

Gabriel is not another Allah, he's an angel of Allah.

But Qur'an says so due to the lack of simple WORD arrangement from illetrate speaker(s) and receiver.

The Quran was in an ancient Arabic text and if you can't understand that you know nothing.

Then how many ancient Arabic literature(s) were written like Qur'an?

Go read ancient literatures Mister.

Yes I've read some but the SPEAKER(S) always delivered their message in a clear understandable way NOT in a confuse way like Qur'an which one can't defrenciate between the speaker and on behalf of the one who was spoken about.

You can read your bible like the king James version.

Why Angel Gabriel didn't use this type of style in the Bible at least we've place where Gabriel spoke to people?

Please kindly give example like the sura in above EVEN from first edition of KJV.

To understand some words or letters in the Quran read the Arabic Quran.

This is the reason you can't spot these poor expressions because you're reading from language you can't fully comprehend.

Does it mean that someone can't express h/her self in Arabic clearly the way we do with English?

Rilwayne001: Insha Allah bi kudratillah

I will reply everything in the OP tommorrow..

please bear with me..

Please kindly do me this favour before we proceed.

Do you believed that 'WE, HIM, HIS, OUR, US' as agreed by many Muslim scholars to be a royal plural pronouns and third person pronouns used for Allah?

NOTE: They did this in other to explain away the plurality of many Allah(Gods) in Qur'an.

Does Muhammad or Angel Gabriel word appear in the Qur'an?

tintingz: Olodo

Let's see who is Olodo

The 'He' 'His" is still referring to Allah.

So if the 'He' 'His' are referring to Allah, it means it's Angel Jibril that is speaking and using third person pronouns in reference to Allah.

So who is the person that the personal pronouns 'I' 'Me' referring to?
Could it be Angel Gabriel again?

This is how Angel Gabriel deliver Allah's message to Muhammed(sa) and more also the original text of the Quran is Arabic.

Then Angel Gabriel is another Allah for using a personal pronouns.

Are you telling me that in Arabic one can't distinguish between first, second or third person pronouns?

Majority of Muslim scholars have notice this that's why they'll tell you that the best language to recite Qur'an is Arabic because all these inappropriate sentence construction can't be noticed in Arabic.

Rilwayne001: Through whom was the Quran revealed?

Through angel jibril
But also have it in mind that QURAN WAS PURELY ALLAH'S WORD which means it doesn't contain any human or angel word.


Like the surah you quoted above you can see where a PERSONAL pronouns like I,me was used which make it difficult to attribute it to Muhammad or angel Jibril AND where a THIRD person pronouns was used.

Join that thread so that I won't derail this one.

Rilwayne001: This is an off topic post

My apology.
Then join this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1859103/quran-linguistic-miracle-problem

First of all i want you to refer back to the incident that occur in verse 12, to i want you to tell us what actually happened there?

You've said it all in the OP Allah only revealed the revelation that favour Muhammad.
Yet I still couldn't understand why the book that eternally exits with Allah before creation contains those historical verses.

And i want you to tell us (according to Muslim)
Who revealed the Qur'an?

According to Muslims Allah revealed the Qur'an.

Through whom was the Qur'an revealed?

Angel Jibril
The problem with this is shifting in one pronouns to another and reference to external person/being within the same verse.

If you check the thread I provided above you will see more than this.

In what language was the Quran revealed

In pure Arabic YET MANY NON-Arabic words still appeared even in the original manuscripts.

Rilwayne001: Surah Al-Anfal, Verse 12: Lo! Thy Sustainer inspired the angels [to convey this His message to the believers]: "I am with you!" [And He commanded the angels:] "And, give firmness unto those who have attained to faith [with these words from Me]: `I shall cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, [O believers,] and strike off every one of their finger-tips!"(English - Mohd Asad)

Let's look at the construction method of the sentence in the above sura by paying close attention to the COLOR part.

How many angels reveal Qur'an?
because many angels were mentioned in this surah.

Who is talking here?
Could it be Muhammad? I guess not because had it been it's Muhammad the he won't use the phrase ("Thy sustainer" )

Could it be Angel Gabriel (though many angels were mentioned)?
Absolutely not, because No angel can command another angel.

So who is talking?
Allah is the one talking.
But why would Allah be shifting from first person pronouns (I, me) to third person pronouns (His, He)
Why would Allah that suppose to be the one talking still referring to another person (Lo! Thy sustainer...)?

This type of inappropriate sentence construction full the Holy book of Allah.

the same thing problem occurs in the below surah.

Surah 8, Verse 61: But if they incline to peace, incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: verily, He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing!

Here we see the speaker addressing GOD and latter shifted to third person pronouns HE.

For the ignorant,

Who is reading above surah always and couldn't sit down to ask himself simple question about simple English of the Holy Qur'an this question is for you.


What grade will you give Allah for Its English composition if you're an English teacher?

hifaif: I am sorry for the insult, bro. It was not intentional. I respect your beliefs.

No problem sir, you couldn't have insulted me the way I'll being insulting myself in the way of mocking God if I've been an Atheist today.

But my heartfelt appreciation goes to God who revealed Himself to me.

I don't know why God loves me so much for Him to reveal Himself to me because I would have been like you.


Shalom!

hifaif: You didn't verify, you simply swallowed it up with 'the stupidity of an animal' (apologies to George Orwell)

See your life outside!
Now that I told you I've verified their claim you resorted to abuse.

How is it easy for you to swallowed up Big bang story & how can you verify the claim of Big bang?

God is ready to reveal Himself to you only if you can humble yourself so that you may know that what those writers wrote were true.

Abrahamweb: Sir,no offence you said "CLAIMED GOD'S INSPIRATION"

Yes I said so!
Or what do you want me to say?
That I'm there with them when they were written their books or I was the one who inspired them.

If I tell you that God told me something about you/anything it's a claim on my own part and what you can do is to verify.

I wasn't there when any of the writer wrote his own book but I've verified their claim.

If I'm wrong why didn't you believe in Bible?
I guess simply because their claim is a myth to you.

AlfaSeltzer: I think they know that what they read was written by man. You are the one that is claiming otherwise.

So how do you know what you read is true?

I know the Bible is true because the writers claimed God's inspiration for it AND THE SAME GOD HAS revealed Himself to me.

hifaif: If everyone had decided to take the easy way out, we wouldn't have landed on the moon or learnt about meteors.

You or who landed in the moon?
Since people've landed on the moon what impact does it have on human life?

Since you've learnt about the meteors what has man done to prevent meteors falling into Earth?

In fact earth atmosphere was designed to combat meteors is it the work of any man?

People like you quickly attack Christian as if you're the only one who do science. whereas everything you know about science is through internet and the funny part of it is that you've added yourself to those who traveled to the moon. SMH

hifaif: I didn't say the Bible was written by cavemen. Read that particular dialogue again.

Since you want to separate creation account from the rest of the Bible does it mean other books were inspired?

And how did you know that creation story was written by cavemen?

Were you there or you read about it online?

hifaif: Christians feel they have found the truth about how the universe came to be.

Yes we have found the truth on how the universe began because The Creator of the universe still communicates with people who diligently seek Him.

Science isn't waiting on what it already has.

You can see now I know you've been programmed with something "Science Science" as if only the Atheist do science.

Christians don't even want to imagine that the bible might be wrong.

Why would s/he imagine on what is real when God still communicates with His people or do you think Christian serve God who can't fellowship with His own?

Do you also think/imagine that scientists can be wrong sometimes?

Science doesn't feel it has the total knowledge about how we found ourselves here.

So if scientists don't know all about our origin how do you want them to know about the Creator?
If God truly exists can scientist design how to know Him or it's God who will tell scientist how He can be known?

Christians feel that we should stop searching.

Nobody said you should stop searching but as you're searching always see the hand of a Creator and intelligent Design in our universe. Simple!
"For the invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] His everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: ASV, Rom 1:20

Since you're being searching have you explored our own galaxy finish talk less of the whole universe?

hifaif: Do I have to reply you on this? No, I don't think so.

You need to reply because you must've been programmed with something it's either you believe in creator God or you're accidentally here by father Big bang.

By the you didn't answer my question, how did you know that Bible was written by cave men?
Were you there or you read it online and believe?

This is where most of NL Atheist problem lies they can quickly judge Christian of believing in Bible written by man BUT forgotten that what they read online was also written by man.

hifaif: I must say that all the sample dialogues I gave are entirely my creation. I didn't copy and paste. It is only the image that is not mine. The bible passage is a favourite of mine. I made a mistake. It is 29:29 not 19:19.

Bro, do you believe in the creation story as recorded in Genesis?

Do you believe that if God truly exists MAN can't design the way of knowing Him?

OK as you admitted your mistake, wherever Christian do reason outside the Bible but only take Bible as the word of God as final.

Yes I so believe in Genesis creation (A creationist) account because God has revealed Himself to me, so man will only try to dive into our origin but they can't surpass THE CREATOR who Himself is the eyes witness of His own work.

hifaif: Atheist: Why can't you just reason outside the Bible

Pure lie, many Christians reason outside the Bible. I believe you know more about Creationist, if you don't Google it.

What Christians are telling you is logic and reasoning can't find God but they can only let you know more about God.

You'll agree with me that if God truly exists MAN can design the method of how to find Him(which Atheist are doing) RATHER it is God Himself who can design the way MAN can find Him(which is what Bible teaches)

Christian: I can't
Atheist: Why?

Another lie for cheap publicity.
I bet it with you if some Nairaland Atheist and I engage in any aspect of science both theory and practical hardly one will defeat me YET they always think as science is met for them alone.

Christian: Because the Bible say we shouldn't reason. Read Deuteronomy 19:19

This Bible verse has nothing to do with even what you're saying here.

Are you sure you read it or just copy and paste?

hifaif: Atheist: Don't you think some cave men searching for a meaning to their lives wrote the creation story?

How you yourself know about this?

Christian: No
Atheist: Why are you so sure?

Why are you so sure too?

Christian: Because the Bible says the scriptures were inspired by God
Atheist: And who told you they were really inspired by God?

because God never ceased to communicate with human. Those who have found God beyond the written of the Bible can testify.

hifaif: You can't win an argument against somebody who has been programmed to defend an assertion from being challenged or questioned

what were you programmed with?

Skeptic: Why do you believe in the bible?
Christian: Because it is the word of God
Skeptic. How do you know it is the word of God?
Christian: Because the Bible says so.

You're a liar no where Bible refers to itself as the "Word of God".

You just dive into what you don't know or you deliberately speaking lie.

malvisguy212: interesting. Allah is weak. Expect know reply Bros.

Abi oooo my brother no wonder there's no single respond since the thread has been opened.

What grade will you give Allah for its English composition?

Allah praising itself;

Muslims claim is that Qur'an is a pure word of Allah without any human interjection but when one read Qur'an s/he finds the speaker speaking in first person pronouns, third person plural pronouns or referring to someone else.

Who is the Lord of the throne here?

Why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they would surely go to ruin; so glory be to God, the Lord of the Throne, above that they describe! He shall not be questioned as to what He does, but they shall he questioned. Or have they taken gods apart from Him? Say: 'Bring your proof! This is the Remembrance of him who is with me, and the Remembrance of those before me. Nay, but the most part of them know not the truth, so therefore they are turning away. And We sent never a Messenger before thee except that We revealed to him, saying, 'There is no god but I; so serve Me.' They say:' 'The All-merciful has taken to Him a son.' Glory be to Him! Nay, but they are honoured servants that outstrip Him not in speech, and perform as He commands. He knows what is before them and behind them, and they intercede not save for him with whom He is well-pleased, and they tremble in awe of Him. If any of them says, 'I am a god apart from Him', such a one We recompense with Gehenna; even so We recompense the evildoers. S. 21:22-29

Angel196: LOL we don't make claims without proofs. I gave proof so the rest is ur business. U said NO CHRISTIAN worship mary n i proved u wrong. I gave u the name of a book. U just don't want to accept, i did my own part, its up to u. Lol

Where did you prove me wrong?

Do you also know that Allah never condemned Christian Trinity? because you didn't pick up my challenge in other post.

Infomizer: I don't think so. He prolly knows i'm not a muslim. We were invited to refute olaadegbu's statement.

OK! But Ola wasn't wrong anyway because relationship with God/personal encountered has been my prone challenge to Muslims and no Muslims has ever claimed to do that.

Angel196: Because my God is one

because you've made to believe it.

Check this thread out and see how Qur'an failed simple English composition, in fact as an English student give Allah mark for yourself.

https://www.nairaland.com/1859103/quran-linguistic-miracle-problem

Angel196: Is it ignorance or what?

It's ignorance at your own part to force Qur'anic wrong teaching into another person's believe.

Please google this n tell me No christians worship mary.

I don't need to Google it I know what they claimed.

Many christians wrote articles against those christians who worship mary n even proved that there are indeed christians who worship mary.

Thank God that you said many Christian NOT WHAT THE CATHOLIC themself believe.
I put it to you, what did Catholic them self claim?

Many people both Atheist/Christian wrote many articles about Islam, do you take them serious or as a yard stick to judge Qur'an?

I'm a Christian but not a Catholic, and what Catholic usually claims is that THEY ONLY VENERATE Mary (like giving her honour-BESIDE anyway they venerated/honour her is left for them) BUT they don't worship her.

It's just so ridiculous that you want to force Qur'anic wrong teaching into their believe.

Infomizer: The 'truth' then is probably that not even a moderate christian will tell you that they have a personal relationship with their jehovah.
Greetings @apatheist...

You were invited to tell us the relationship you/Muslims have with Allah not to turn it other way round.

Angel196: Mr. this verse wasn't talking about trinity but was a verse asking Jesus weather he asked men to worship him and his mother. U can't deny that some christians worship mary i.e take her as god while others worship jesus(pbuh) i.e take him as god, therefore they become 2 gods apart from Allah. If u don't understand don't make conclusions. This verse doesn't talk about the people involved in trinity so don't confuse urself

You're the one who said someone shouldn't make conclusion on what he didn't understand BUT you yourself violated your own advice.

NO Christians worship Mary if you don't understand it ask a Catholic member.

Quran is wrong on this because Christian body like Catholic also believe in Trinity, so if Qur'an wants to address this it must talks about four gods which it is not.

With this I challenge you to provide a single verse in Qur'an where Trinity according to Christian formula was attacked!

If you can't, it means an omniscient Allah doesn't know Christian's believe or we should conclude that Allah embraced Trinity.

FYO anytime you're referring to Our Lord Jesus stop attaching Peace Be Upon Him(pbuh) because:
1) It's irrational to believe that someone who is in heaven (presence of God) where peace, love and grace abound STILL needs sinful human to be invoking peace on him.

2) People in heaven are free from trouble and they don't need peace rather it is people on earth who need peace to be free from Boko Haram, Ebola, War e.t.c

3) If you don't know try to know today that Jesus is the "Prince of PEACE".

tola9ja: LOL jesus was not crucified with evidence from the bible

Address my post and stop acting like a kid.