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Rilwayne001: Jesus never claimed to be THE PROPHET,

With this your point kindly show me a verse in the Quran where it was written "Muhammad is The PROPHET MOSES spoke about"

but according to the verses above he did claim that Moses wrote about him.

Did Moses wrote about other prophets and how many prophet ever claimed that Moses wrote about them?
The very verses you quoted speaks against Muhammad because he spoke those things that are not from God.

Could Jesus be one of those many prophets who would be sent to the Israelites? Yes he could.

Confusion, is it He could or He was?

We then could assume that Moses spoke about Jesus through the verses above.

You can only assume to suit your fallacious claim but not what the actual text is saying. That's why all the apostles of Jesus agree with each other that Jesus was The PROPHET.

Indeed Jesus called himself a prophet but he did not
call himself “The Prophet”.

once again give me a single verse in your own Qur'an that says "Muhammad is THE PROPHET"

Sadly though, according to the Trinitarians, this prophet of God (Jesus) was killed.

Do you want to attack TRINITARIAN or you make a mistake? because ALL CHRISTIAN BELIEVED IN THE DEATH OF OUR LORD JESUS.

Now if we assume Deuteronomy (18:20) to be a true verse,

Are you now saying this verse isn't true? just because it exposes Muhammad false claim.

we are left with two choices, either Jesus was not a prophet and that is why he was killed

God foretold the death of the MESSIAH before it happened likewise HISTORY testified that the crucifixion took place. Jesus was killed for the SIN of the world not for your wrong assumption.

or he was indeed a prophet and was not actually killed. As a Muslim, I would take the second choice.

Only Qur'an negate both the prophecy of God and History by claiming Jesus never crucified nor died.

John should have been the one to correct them and not you,

Just as John couldn't say they were confused by you say so

he knew what the Pharisees were asking about and he answered them accordingly...

He knew the Pharisees were asking a s.tupid questions and decided not to disturb himself by given simple answer NO!

If otherwise he would have corrected them the way you are correcting them now.
Thus, makes your point baseless

Did John see also that the Jews were confused the way you're seeing them now? Thus makes your point clueles.s

Confutionist

You can't answer my question rather you count it as confusion..again If THE PROPHET spoken about by Moses will come from Arab, Why the JEWS border themselves ask an Israelites?

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon you

Just the way Muslims always invoke the peace and blessing of Allah upon Muhammad who suppose to be in heaven.

How can someone who supposed to be in the presence of God still need a sinful man to invoke blessing & peace on him?

Compare with Jesus;
Jesus said "MY PEACE I give to you...."
So may the peace of JESUS CHRIST be with you.

I don't need to reply your first post as typical Muslim always behave.

Rilwayne001: Matthew, chapter 16:”
14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
Reading the above verses reveals the following:
1) Some of the Jews are confused about the identity of Jesus
2) Jesus admits he is the Messiah.

You just reinforced my point that the Jews got confused about the identity of Jesus and LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES.

Examining the verses above reveals the following:
1) Some Jews thought he was The Prophet.
2) Others thought he was The Messiah.
3) The Jews are definitely confused.

Still the same as above.

We understand from the above verses that the Jews expected two characters; some other passages reveal three characters.

This is the MISTAKEN part of it from the Jews FOR ASSUMING that THE PROPHET WILL BE DIFFERENT from the MESSIAH.
This is the key point.

John 6:”14 When the people saw the sign he had done, they said, "This is truly THE PROPHET, the one who is to come into the world."
Now can we assume that the Jews were correct when they thought he was THE PROPHET? Were they not confused about his identity? The Jews were indeed confused.

This is how you will know that you're really confused more than the Jews themselves.
You agreed that the Jews were indeed confused about the identity of Jesus, do you also agree that they(the Jews) might also be WRONG in viewing THE PROPHET from the MESSIAH?

Beside THE JEWS finally agree that JESUS is THE PROPHET whom Moses spoke about but to you they were confused, which you believe that they weren't confused when they assumed that the prophet is different from the Messiah.

We notice the following:
1) The Pharisees asked him about three characters. Presumably, they are well versed with the Old Testament.

You're still confused like the Jews.

2) We see the clear distinction between “The Prophet” and “The Messiah”.

After you agreed that the Jews always confused, what give you impression that the Jews weren't confused of this distinction?

3) John the Baptist did not object to their reasoning about the three characters and this is important to remember.

He doesn't need to because he is not the prophet nor Elijah nor Messiah.

Reviewing the above we conclude:
1) Most of the Jews were in confusion about the identity of Jesus, was he The Prophet or The Messiah?

Then you should also know that they might be confused of seen the prophet as a distinct person from the Messiah.

2) When they though he was The Prophet they tried to declare him as king but he escaped indicating that he is not that Prophet they were looking for and also for the reason mentioned by Jesus that he has no kingdom here on earth.

This is where you suppose to hit your forehead and say I'm indeed lack scriptural knowledge of the Bible.
First Deu 18:18 doesn't say the prophet will be made a King but Jesus being withdrew Himself for be made a king AFTER THE Jews AGREED that JESUS is THE PROPHET. prophecy a King ruling FOREVER is about the MESSIAH not The PROPHET.

lastly The Jews only believe the MESSIAH will be a KING over them, so when the Jews now agreed that JESUS Christ is THE PROPHET and wanted to made Him a King SHOULD TELLS YOU THAT THE PROPHET AND THE MESSIAH WILL BE ONE PERSON.

3) The Pharisees knew exactly who they were asking about when confronting John the Baptist

But always confused about their own scriptures.

4) Jesus admitted that he was the Messiah.

Did Jesus ever rebuke Jews for calling Him THE prophet?

Now Mr. Emusan kindly tell me who the PROPHET is?

The MESSIAH who knew God FACE TO FACE LIKE MOSES and SPOKE the direct word of God unlike Muhammad who never knew God FACE TO FACE nor hear God's voice ever in his life.

Rilwayne001: You still have to counter claim my points about those point i raise about the phrase prophet like unto thee

In fact @Proos212 has done a good job already but I just want to remove small from your brainwashed brain of your below statement.

Then you still have to tell me the prophet after christ, that the jew are talking about in john 1:20-21

Firstly, it's assumption at part of Muslims that the question is sequencial, that's why they always add 'AFTER CHRIST' to the question that the Jews asked John the Baptist.

Secondly, most Muslim scholars have linked this statement with Deu 18:18 in other to reinforced their fallacious claim. When they always fail in given a good answer to this simple question. Why did the Jews ask an Israelites (John the Baptist) and not any tribes? Since the prophecy didn't specify the location of prophet.


Lastly, Muslims are found of bashing into Bible and pick whatever verse(s) they think it suit them and neglect others even within the same context.
They quoted the word of JEWS with John the Baptist but neglect the same testimony of this same JEWS in another part.

These are their testimony!

"Philip found Nathanael and said to him, ‘We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’" John 1:45
Remember Philip is a Jew

When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, ‘This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!’ Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself." John 6:14-15

Finally, Jesus Christ Himself said Moses wrote about Him. John 5:45-47

Note: Asking such question from John which seems as if the Christ to come is strictly different from the prophet Moses spoke about shows that they(the Jews) don't study their scriptures very well because they(the Jews) also thought that NO prophet will arise from Galille (which I believe is the point you're going to raise next) but FORGOTTEN that Jonah is a prophet from Gath which is in Galille.

Stop following a wrong path which the end is destruction but the way, the truth and the life Jesus Christ which leads to eternal life.



Shalom.

It's an easy thing to dance to someone's idea without prove.

The question I'm still asking myself till date is, why am I so much loved by God for God to reveal Himself to me?

If not I would've been among those taking evolution as my ancestors and big bang as a creator.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, even His eternal power and Godhead; SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE." Rom 1:20

Thank you Lord!

All human being view their parent as a harsh, nagging, sometimes too wicked when they were been giving a proper child upbringing BUT many people at their independent AGE have looked back to those things their parent did to them and say I THANK YOU FOR THE ROAD YOU'VE LEAD ME TODAY, I thought you're a wicked, unloving and too harsh person before.

The irony part of it is that they all have different view at time of their own little knowledge.

The Bible says in Romans 8:20 "For the CREATURE was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, BUT by the reason of Him(God) who hath subjected the same in HOPE."

NOTICE the word NOT WILLINGLY, the color statement and last word HOPE.


You may call God any name you like as a child did but those who have served God beyond written i.e having personal relationship with Him have their testimony and can look back to say God I thank you for what you've done and the road you've lead me.

Finally, I want you to know that if God truly exists, MAN CAN'T DESIGN HOW TO KNOW HIM RATHER IT'S ONLY GOD WHO CAN DESIGN HOW HE CAN BE KNOWN TO MAN.

I'm a finite being with finite mind trying to discern the mind of an infinite being of God and my post is opened to correction not bashing on me.


Shalom!

Rilwayne001: A closer look, at two of these religions--Judaism and Islam will show this to be true: both Jews and Muslims worship One God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

The Underlined statement baffles me a lot.
If this statement is true(as you try to justify your false religion) then I have a simple question for you, what did the Jews do before Muhammad declared war against them by calling them AN INFIDEL and that they must convert to Islam?

Did you let your reader know that Muhammad called the Jews an infidel without any reasonable fact?
This is typical attitude of Muslims always withhold truth from their readers. Their scholars are even worsen.

Kay 17: 1. By followed, I meant it in the literal sense.

So how can one followed satan to do alms to the poor?

Isn't that a law?

From your OP it inferred that the laws are for man not for God. Now if the laws are for man isnt it that God wants us to live peacefully with ourselves? then the delineated in good and back is that thing you do that is right in the sight of God not in your own sight and God has listed them somewhere.

Also, from your acronym of SiN, Sin is a state of affaiirs not an action (moral action) hence people are not sinners by virtue of committing sins, rather by the state of affairs. That would be contradictory in Christianity, because man is said to commit sin.

I can see that you never decipher my post since. What I mean by that acronym is this, through satan man involve in sin. The instruction God gave to Adam & Eve is to guide them in preventing satan to influence them. Satan is the first being to influence nature with lie (give a contrary message to that of God) because when he speaks he speaks lies and out of him lies flow..John 8:44.

What flows out from Satan's influence are:
*All sort of immorality
*pride
*Hatred e.t.c
The instruction God gave to Adam in order to guide himself against the influence of Satan to flow through him, but he fails to hold on to it. So the laws are for man to guide against SIN, problem to free yourself from SIN you're already Satan's candidate who will follow Satan to partake in everlasting destruction. Nobody is treating you with any fire very simple analogy.
The choice is yours!



Shalom!

harbiola1: You're a polytheist bro.

Of course that is what you have been programmed with. Just simple statement is too hard for you comprehend.

man choses to attached a particular name to a being thought to be supreme over them.
*English people derived this name from Goden called the supreme being God.
*Yoruba called this supreme being olorun/Olodumare.
*Arab derived their own name from one of their gods and called Him Allah e.t.c.
So God/Olorun/Allah/Yehweh/Obangiji e.t.c are names man has chosen to called this supreme being. But this supreme being Himself has some unique names which He has revealed to people whom has spoken with.
Those names are:
*I Am that I Am,
*Mighty God,
*Wonderful,
*Everlasting Father.

Tell me any of this names Jesus was never called both in OT & NT? Very simple question.
After all you are the who asked for God's name.



Shalom!

harbiola1: Thanks! but my post is more than this one u quoted. Meaning, u're agree with all my points up there.

So not quoting all your post means I agree with them, SMH.

I believe He has name, what is His name?

Of course He has a name;
the I Am that I Am,
Holy one of Isreal,
the Jealous God,
Everlasting Father,
Mighty God.

If not Jesus, then why is the name of Jesus being used in place of God's name?

All the above name mention, tell me anyone which Jesus was not called both in Old Testament & New Testament?
This should tell you that God was Christ in flesh because He said my glory will I not share with anybody. Isaiah 42:8. So when Christians are talking about Christ they are talking about the I Am that I Am who revealed Himself in person of Jesus. I know it's still a mystery to you but just telling you...may Christ reveals Himself to you.



Shalom!

harbiola: Who is the Christians God?

First time you will make sense with your post.

In answer to your question, the God who created the universe, whom Satan rebelled against and revealed Himself to people like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Isaiah e.t.c by using these people to prophecies the coming of His only Son Christ Jesus.

Or do you have any ideas of who the God of the Christian is apart from this?

Kay 17: I'd show you how your acronym for sin is faulty.

So how did you show this?

1. If a man followed Satan to give the poor alms, would that be a sin?

What do you mean by "followed Satan"?

2. What delineates good from bad?

That thing which is right in the sight of God.

Kay 17: In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

I can see that you never grasp what actually went wrong between Man and God and the purpose of Christ on earth.

Let me shield more light on it. Sin as you put it not the full fact about.

1) Mosiac laws are a guide for the land of Isreal only and the shadow of grace that should come which is Christ Jesus.

2) What is sin?
Sin is an acronyms of "Satan Influence over Nature" inwhich man was included.
Satan first rebellion is to be like God and raised his own throne above God's own (which means Satan wants his own rulership) and in the same notion satan also spread this unto Adam and Eve.
When Adam & Eve hearken unto Satan's voice God knows that great seperation has come between Him and man become Man wants to have his own rulership without Him. Remember, immediately satan influences the nature God has already deteemined His end by condemned satan into evalasting destruction and the end of all things as a result of satan's influence.

3) The purpose of Christ Jesus on earth.
Through Satan influence over nature DEATH (both physical and spiritual) came upon man. The first victory of Christ is to purchase eternal life for all men by destroying the DEATH that SIN brought. How? because when the actual time in which God has chosen to put Satan into everlasting destruction and nature itself comes those who have exercised faith in Christ (that has Christ was raised from dead they will also be raised from dead) and safe guard their souls through the help of the Holyspirit will be preserved in Christ house that was not built with humans hand nor any materials of this nature. This is what it means to have salvation through Christ.

The Mosaic laws as is a guide for the children of Isreal to live before the grace (Christ) was revealed which in Christ appearance was summarized into two for the whole world to follow.
1) Love thy God with all your heart, soul & body...why loving God? because by loving God you will always remember that the judgement of God is coming one day which should continually putting you in thinking, devot and giving your service to God.
2) Love thy neighbour as thyself....why this? because by doing so, taking lives of others, false accusation against anybody, acquire unnecesaary wealth/wealth in a wrong way e.t.c will not happen.
In total obedient or fulfilling of these two laws Christ has sent/given us Holyspirit to usher our step day by day in order not to keep fighting in fulfilling these two laws.

Finally, the Mosaic laws which were totally concealled in just two laws are ingredients to fully upholding ourself in the process of exercising our faith in Christ. Because if God wants you to live peacefully with all men and you keep fighting/ battling with these laws physically it can prevent you to focus on the faith you need most. That's why Christ has to abolished the physical battle with mosaic laws and establishend just two so that it will be very easy for us to practice with the help of the Holyspirit.

So as many that are still living under Satan Influence over Nature (SIN) will surely follow Satan to the place of eternal destruction. Everlasting fire was not made for man but satan and any one who still lives & died under sin.

Do you want to escape this destruction through the purpose of Christ or be part of it by still living under sin? The choice is yours!




Shalom!

ugonnaa1054: Nice..and how come you know so well about the Bible and the Quran

I'm a believer in Bible saved by grace through Jesus Christ with an evidence of Holyspirit in confirmation of God's existence.

I've read Quran from sura 1-114 of Shitte though never read the last chapter of 115 of the shunia. So that is how I know much about Islam.

80-85% of Quranic stories negate Biblical ones that is why in other for Muslims scholars to keep living in a delusion state, they always claim that Bible has been corrupted.



Shalom!

1) I could go to the end of the world for you!
Ans: Thanks, but promise me you will stay there for the rest of your life.

2) I would bring you the moon!
Ans: Thanks, but don't forget to visit the sun too because I need a part of it.

3) You're the only sugar in my tea!
Ans: No wonder the tea always tasteless.

4) You're my Life!
Ans: That's a pure lie because I'm standing right infront of you, your life is inside you.

5) I could walk a thousand mile for you!
Ans: Don't forget to hold Alomo Bitter and make sure your route pass Borno state I need some later news.

6) What can I do to make you happy?
Ans: Only if you can tear some parts of your dress and walk along Yaba left.

7) My heart always beats for you!
Ask: How come I don't used to hear the Sound?

The books in the world can't contain all the love I have for you!
Ask: Who will read it? When I'm still battling with 21pages of Dad & Daughter's open letter.

9) If love is water I would've given you an ocean!
Ans: And don't forget to buy the drum that will contain it.

10) I can hear your voice even when you're silent!
Ans: Pure lie, things don't make sound in silent. maybe your ancestors are the one talking to you.

11) You always drive me crazy!
Ans: Ooooop! I'm sorry for that, it's the pot holes on our road that cause it.




Happy New Year to you all.....from Me, my unmarried wife & my unborn Child.

Eferr701: Í dnt knw who you assume Jehovah's witnesses to be. If you assume them to be angels who fell from the sky, then Ýou Áre dead wrong. [size=14pt]They are imperfect humans just likÉ everyone on earth[/size] Jehovah too looks at them in such light.

@Bolded- That's why they always interpret the word of God based on human understanding.

Despite many people like you writing negative articles on the witnesses, you'll be shocked to find out how manÝ people get baptised as Jehovahks witnesses daily, how many study the bible with the witnesses.

Nobody is against JWs. The actual fact is this, JWs based their teaching on circumstances surrounding them rather than seeking the help of God. That's why they change doctrine sometimes and people like you failed to look outside the box.
In fighting againt TRINITY JWs put a great flaw in their own Bible(NWT) how? In John 1:3 it was written [size=14pt]"All things were created through him(The word/Christ), apart from him(The Word/Christ) not even one thing came into existence, what has come into existence"[/size]
Here it shows that without Christ nothing came into existence. A similar statement appeared in Colossians 1:16-18 but because the word FIRSTBORN appeared in verse 15 JWs thought Christ is the first created being of God so they begin to insert word "OTHER" in those verses.
[size=14pt]If not a single thing came into existence through Christ, how come JWs said Archangel Micheal a created being is Jesus Christ?[/size]

If JWs didn't erase God in verse 1 of that John 1 they can still claim that verse 3 is referring to God but in other to eliminate Christ from Trinity they choose to used "a god". Read that John 1:3 with open mind in NWT and compare it with Colossians 1:16-18.

This is a body that changed who Archangel Michael is 5times and teach the worship of Jesus Christ more than 70 years. SMH

All the words inside [……] are added by me never appear in Bible.

After several attempts of whom the Archangel Michael is, JWs has finally come to conclusion and based their doctrine on Jesus Christ be the Archangel Michael.
To all Bible students, Archangel Michael is a created being of God. In their Bible story book, JWs explained that God first created a being[God's Son] which supposedly to be an Angel Michael and this being helped God during the creation period which God later sent to the world in a person of Jesus Christ.

Was Christ truly a created being?

John 1:1-14; it's a well known Bible verses which talk mostly about Christ in reference to Him as "The Word". JWs believe that "The Word" in those verses is not God that's why they used "a god" in verse 1.

Let's see what the JWs say about "The Word" as the one created everything including archangel Michael.
John 1:3 "All things[including Archangel Michael] came into existence through him[The Word], and apart from him[The Word] not even one thing[including Angel Michael] came into existence, what has come into existence."

In this verse with the insertion of the word "APART" it's very clear that without "The Word" not a single thing came into existence which pushed "The Word/Christ" outside of creation.

*If "not even one thing came into existence without Christ", how come Christ/The Word later became Angel Michael a created being according to JWs?

Similarly, apostle Paul uses a statement to this verse in Romans,
Rom 11:36 "Because from him[God] and by[through] him[God] and to him[God] are all things...."
By separating each phrases here we can get;
1) Because from him[God] are all things
2) and by[through] him[God] are all things
3) and to him[God] are all things.

Focus on number 2, because most time Christ is included in creation in the Bible it's always in form of "by/through him"
Here all things are by/through God not that God created Christ first and then through Christ created the rest/other.

FIRSTBORN:
Because of this word FIRSTBORN JWs throw themselves into confusion which lead to a contradiction in their Bible. In Col 1:15-18, Apostle Paul made a similar statement like that of Apostle John. Let's look at those statements;
Rom 1:16 "Because by[through] (means of) him[Christ] all (other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth.... All (other) things have been created through him and for him"
Verse 17 "Also, He is before all (other) things and by[through] (means of) him all (other) things were made to exist."
NOTE: Those words inside the brackets were added to give more meaning to the setences.

Here we can see this inserted word "OTHER" in those verses.
Now, with the insertion of this word "OTHER" in the two verses it shows that Christ was first created before any other things which then put Christ into creation and also contradict John 1:3 & Rom 11:36.

Why the word, OTHER in those verses?
Because in verse 15 this phrase "the FIRSTBORN over all creation" appeared, and without fully understand this word JWs became confused whereas the firstborn here was used as a sovereignty/preeminent. If Apostle Paul means first created, he would have used the Hebrew word protoktioti rather he used the Hebrew word prototokos which means sovereignty/preeminent.

Last sentence in verse 16 of that Colossians 1 and that of Romans 11:36 together with John 1:3 compliment each other in any version except JWs version by the insertion of the word "OTHER".

CONCLUSION:
In fighting against TRINITY JWs throw themselves into pandemonium confusion changing of doctrine upon doctrine and to a contradictory statement in their Bible. Also no where in the Bible it was stated that any being helped God in creation as it was explained in their Bible story book rather Bible declared that God created everything by His Word Heb 11:3, Gen 1:2-24.
Who knows which doctrine JWs will come up with later and the Bible warn us that "In order we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching[doctrine] by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error." Eph 4:14

All the Bible references are from New World Translation.

harbiola1: Guy, u can't use bible to discredit quran, never.

You remember how Emusan was butted out of a thread the other day?

Al-quran is undisputable

Which thread?

You claimed quran wasn't referred to all the whole psalms but the one gave to David, whereas Moses wrote part of it. While Allah recites the Quran and said the Torah was given to Moses why Allah didn't add that Moses was also given a Psalms?

Come with another lie.

Do you think you can get it?

One day a Cat was shewing 'gum' as it about to cry "Me'uw Me'uw" the gum expanded and covered its Nose.

So instead of cry "Me'uw Me'uw" it started shouting Help..Help..Help!

Suddenly, a good Rat rushed in to Help as the Cat opened its eyes, it saw the Rat and it quickly rejoiced in its mind and said "food has come today"

About 15seconds later, two sounds were coming out;
1st sound is crying: Help..Help..Help!
2nd sound is saying: Lol...I win..I win..I win!

Which one do you think is crying for Help or Win?


Happy New Year in Advance!

Op kindly change the title of your thread either you use "why do women...men's...." or "why does woman...man's....."

No insult pls, and don't me because I will erase my post later.

Op you made a mistake.
Firstly, Universe was not contaminated with sin and chaos not untill Adam sinned.

UNDERSTAND THE FALL OF MAN
When God created everything and declared them "good". Then shortly Satan reasons within himself to be like God and have his own dominion but forgotten that he is a created being. God has to allow time to pass to show that he can never be like Him. God then cast satan out of heaven. When satan met with Eve, he raised two accusation against God which require a time to settle not a game between God and Satan but just to tell satan that he is a created being.

1) Satan called God a liar: how? Satan told Eve "you will not surely die" of which God has given them instruction that any day they eat from the tree "they will surely die". Here Satan was trying to play a good boy in his statement "I'm the one telling you the truth but God is lying to you"
When Adam and Eve died, didn't that prove that God is the one telling the truth and that Satan is the one lying? Actually I did. But there is more to Satan's challenge.

2) Satan said man can be better of without God's rulership: how? Satan told Eve "God knows that the day you eat the fruit, your eyes would be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad" Can you see that? The best way God can allow Satan to prove his point os to allow time to pass...when Adam and Eve hearken unto the voice of satan thinking truly they can live their lives without God be in control...God then polluted the universe and allow satan and man to battle with it maybe they can bring it back to a perfection like it was after creation.

God has already condemned satan and his angels into eternal destruction but man can be part of satan's angel when living under the two delusion of satan that brought man down. God has prepared a means for those who loved Him and ready to obey His commandment and He has chosen a day to destroy satan and all his angels(including human who he acquired as angel).

Do you want to escape this destruction through God's only begotten Son who He has chosen to reconciled everyone who obey Him to Himself or you want to be part of destruction by becoming one of the satan angel? The choice is yours!



Shalom!

rationalmind: sorry for trying to delve into your personal affairs but could you please share one of thoe experiences with us? Who knows it may go a long way in making us come to the same conclusion you arrived at

Thanks my brother,

But like I said earlier, I don't know how to explain it but let me just say this "why I was praying in 2005 in the mid-night alone in my room, is not a dream or vision because I never sleep at all that time and I fully conscious of myself..God entered my room (I didn't see Him physically)...in fact I can't just describe how it happened than this".

The same thing happened in 2008.
It may sound somehow to you or any other people, I don't know how God decided to reveal Himself to me because not that I'm Holy or truly serve Him then. That's why I don't look down or abuse any Atheist for not believing in God because deep down inside me if those two moments didn't come today I will deny any existence of a God. I'm not a pastor but I do use my moments to tell people about God.

Even Churches today are not helping matter.

striktlymi: Precisely!

I have a lot of personal experiences but posing same as proof for the existence of God is less than adequate.

WeWe are saying the same thing.

9jadelta: lmao
which of the gods spoke did u see? I hope it is not allah

The who created Adam & Eve; who spoke to Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, and the one who come in human flesh in person of Jesus Christ. Well Arab name for Him might be Allah; but He is not the one who inspired Quran.

Shalom!

rationalmind: simply because you know if you were to be an atheist, those personal encounters coming from someone else won't be convincing.

I totally agree with you but,
Those are the things that made me not be An Atheist because I have once been in an Atheist's shoe.

striktlymi: Personal revelations can hardly pass for evidence.

I'm telling you! I just don't know how I can explain my personal encounter with God to any Atheist.

[quote author=Manhunter™]Genesis 6 vs 2 :
the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.[/quote]This verse is talking about how man multiplied in time of Noah before the flood. Not Angel married human.


Shalom!

[quote author=Manhunter™]So bros, I've been meaning to ask this question for a long time now.
In the bible, some angels left their perfect heaven after checking out the backsides of a few women; Please, bros, what caused such a behaviour, why did spiritual beings long so much for the material?[/quote]Where did you see this in the Bible?

hisblud: Dear doc where can you recommend in abuja where one can visit a dentist since govt hospitals are on strike and on average how much to remove a troubling tooth.

So you live in Abj....ikanbilivit

tintingz: The false prophet that were misleading the people changing the word of God. Many prophet were even killed in the bible.

So how many wrote a single chapter in the OT?

Am still waiting where God mention judaism or declare judaism to be the faith of the people.

SMH...what is the meaning of Judaism then?

LOL the Quran was very clear on this no missed story because the land samarita didn't exist doesn't mean the people didn't exist. The samaritans(samarians) should be among the israelites the bible was also clear on this when it says some non-isrealites joined Moses(as) in the journey
(Exodus 12:38) A rabble of non-Israelites went with them, along with great flocks and herds of livestock.

The story that Muhammad twisted, it is Aaron who did it not non-israelite....

Now the question is who are the non-israelites?

Another lie....Multitude went with them when their still in Egypt not After there are in wilderness. My point is When God told Moses to come for the commandment...Isrealite were still one nothing like Assyria, Ephraim, Samaria....get wisdom.

ofcos God gave Moses(as) the Torah to
the people of israelites to know about one God not to establish judaism which was NOT founded by Moses, Moses(as) worshiped God in Islam this was the message of Moses.

Islam means submittion to Allah according to Muslim right?
Did Jews proclaim another God or move away from the part that Moses had laid according to God's commandments? The people you can say that they deviated from OT is Christianity which was derived from CHRIST which is the God they are waiting for.

Ofcos same God Eli

Then why did Muhammad not receive direct message from God either by vision or dream?
he said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams

LOL, Jesus went further alone and fall his face to the ground and prayed crying, what was he doing? Sleeping?

And did Jesus claim he saw God or he's God himself? Why did he reject being good?

Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”

He clearly rejected being same as God

Does this show he worshipped God?
What of where He said "I and my Father are one"
Anyway I don't need to talk much about this.


Shalom!

RoyPCain: @emusan; samiri you said when the name is SAMIRIYU! find someone who can read arabic. the yaa is after raa before the miim, while siin started the name. by the way is miriam the same as maryam, samson the same as samuel, john the same as jonah josepf same as jacob or elijah the same as elisha? if the response is no, how is a name of a person to be flagrantly suggested by emenies of islam that it must mean a tribe title? is the samaritan a person or a tribe like israel [tribe of the children of jacob is]? infact people are free to bear a name within and outside the tribe collected named.

Samiri--means a samaritan...someone who come from a city called Samaria....i.e a Nigerian is someone who comes from Nigeria.
So and the City of Samaria never existed in time of Moses but about 700years when Judah/Isreal begin to split.
Search web and see lame excuses your scholars are making about it.

there are not jews called israel and not all children of jacob bear the name israel.

SHM...Jacob himself was given the name ISREAL..not any of his children given that name...that's why Abraham was been referring to as father of Israel because he gave birth to Isaac and Isaac begat Jacob/Israel..is it clear?

[quotejoseph is not israel. he was judah by nation. and making up a religion does not mean God ordered it. what was the religion of Jacob [as]so that you know that neither judaism of the jews nor christianity that came out of it is his way, therefore it is not by the Order of God? Jacob didn't get the core meaning of the dream of Joseph [as to both] until God revealed it when the entire family of Jacob prostrated to Joseph. it therefore does not matter how long it takes the truth to be revealed. when it is unfolded by God, the people whose hearts long for guidance submit to it.[/quote]Imaging another lie...Joseph was Judah by nation...Judah himself is the THIRD BORN OF JACOB....read Gen 49:1-end for better understanding...This Chapter is the prophecies of Jacob conserning his children....

so emusan, why are you stiff necked?

Who is stiff necked? SMH...who is trying to force its religion into Christianity?

maybe you should tell us the other God that spoke to Muhammad [SA] since muslim says God is One Creator, Lord of all deserving all ordained submission, love, fear, reverence, worship, petition, hope? you know that God existed before Torah. God is known before Abraham. God is known before creation of man, God is complete before creation.

Who know God before creation of Man? God revealed Himself to Noah. He made promise with Abraham after the promise to Abraham, God's message always in a form of "I Am the God of your father..." to show that He is the real person who spoke to Abraham and others.
Now see how you should know that Muhammad is not a prophet sent by the God who spoke to Isaac, Jacob, Moses e.t.c Num 12:6 he said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
Did Muhammad receive any direct message from God? it let for you to answer.

we are no trinitarians or more or less, but The Limitless God in His Full Grandeur is Who we worship, willingly submitting. We did not kill any prophet or after the life of any [AS]. we are not arrogant. we seek guidance from God even though we are upon guidance. But God commands we repeatedly seek guidance from Him and we are eager to do so.

The same thing which prompt Muhammad to write his own book without fully understood what they mean.

How is Jesus God when angel was sent to strengthen and support him? who sent the angel except God? how can God send angel to strengthen and support God? indeed guidance belongs to those who are spiritually conscious.

If you want to learn about Trinity open a thread an invite me but with rules you must be precised in your post.

Logicboy03: Typical christian anti-intellectual fundamentalism


"knowledge is evil"


kai...smh

In your Atheistic life you can't decipher his point but let me help you out.

Two Kinds of Wisdom:
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? [size=14pt]Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.
15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.[/size]
16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

Shalom!