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larrymoore: God is not an author of confusion, why are his people divided?

The funny part of your post is that Islam is also in confusion over many sect.

Does Allah also an author of confusion?
Why people of Allah divided?

You never remove the moth in your eyes you're seeing another person.

One thing that I always thank God for is that God allows me to know all my grandparents and God still kept their soul up till now.

But my grandma (mother side) took the lead over others because she's so wonderful and a god to me.

kai I can't stop loving and thinking of you IYA Deji.....cherish you more than any woman in the whole world.

Lordabas: I once asked my uncle who is a religious leader that question and he told me that no one has an answer to it

Many people have answers to it but depends on whom you ask, using NO ONE is wrong.

You've to know that the word FORM/MADE/CREATE are human term to refer to anything that its origin can be traced to BEGINNING.

It simply means anything that has beginning was formed/made/created

To God (if God should use our human term) the word CREATE/MADE/FORM is everything that come into existence through God.

Everyone believes that the universe which comprises of both matter, antimatter and energy came into existence ONE day either through Big bang (according to scientist) or Creation (according to Bible). Then if we should go by creationist that is THE UNIVERSE was created, do you expect God to be part of creations? Absolutely NO! I used this as an example because NO HUMAN CAN THINK OUTSIDE OF UNIVERSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE USES OF THOSE WORDS.

Finally, even these words lost their true meaning when it comes to ENERGY because "ENERGY is neither CREATED nor DESTROYED.....", which means ENERGY is eternal (No beginning or end) and THIS IS THE BELIEVE OF ATHEIST TOO.

The ironic part of if it is that those who have such believe about ENERGY always FORCE these words to apply on GOD THE CREATOR.

Whereas God has revealed who He was through the name He told Moses I AM THAT I AM, don't be surprised that the complete meaning of this name which is I AM(before the universe was) THAT (after there's no more the universe) I AM (still existing) perfectly fit over the creation of the universe.

IN SHORT: the words create/form/made start with TIME/are inside TIME whereas God is beyond TIME.

Rilwayne001: @emusan, i'll reply you later am very busy ryt now

Don't even border to reply because your comments always show that you don't want to tell yourself the truth.

Rilwayne001: Jesus never claimed to be THE PROPHET,

With this your point kindly show me a verse in the Quran where it was written "Muhammad is The PROPHET MOSES spoke about"

but according to the verses above he did claim that Moses wrote about him.

Did Moses wrote about other prophets and how many prophet ever claimed that Moses wrote about them?
The very verses you quoted speaks against Muhammad because he spoke those things that are not from God.

Could Jesus be one of those many prophets who would be sent to the Israelites? Yes he could.

Confusion, is it He could or He was?

We then could assume that Moses spoke about Jesus through the verses above.

You can only assume to suit your fallacious claim but not what the actual text is saying. That's why all the apostles of Jesus agree with each other that Jesus was The PROPHET.

Indeed Jesus called himself a prophet but he did not
call himself “The Prophet”.

once again give me a single verse in your own Qur'an that says "Muhammad is THE PROPHET"

Sadly though, according to the Trinitarians, this prophet of God (Jesus) was killed.

Do you want to attack TRINITARIAN or you make a mistake? because ALL CHRISTIAN BELIEVED IN THE DEATH OF OUR LORD JESUS.

Now if we assume Deuteronomy (18:20) to be a true verse,

Are you now saying this verse isn't true? just because it exposes Muhammad false claim.

we are left with two choices, either Jesus was not a prophet and that is why he was killed

God foretold the death of the MESSIAH before it happened likewise HISTORY testified that the crucifixion took place. Jesus was killed for the SIN of the world not for your wrong assumption.

or he was indeed a prophet and was not actually killed. As a Muslim, I would take the second choice.

Only Qur'an negate both the prophecy of God and History by claiming Jesus never crucified nor died.

John should have been the one to correct them and not you,

Just as John couldn't say they were confused by you say so

he knew what the Pharisees were asking about and he answered them accordingly...

He knew the Pharisees were asking a s.tupid questions and decided not to disturb himself by given simple answer NO!

If otherwise he would have corrected them the way you are correcting them now.
Thus, makes your point baseless

Did John see also that the Jews were confused the way you're seeing them now? Thus makes your point clueles.s

Confutionist

You can't answer my question rather you count it as confusion..again If THE PROPHET spoken about by Moses will come from Arab, Why the JEWS border themselves ask an Israelites?

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon you

Just the way Muslims always invoke the peace and blessing of Allah upon Muhammad who suppose to be in heaven.

How can someone who supposed to be in the presence of God still need a sinful man to invoke blessing & peace on him?

Compare with Jesus;
Jesus said "MY PEACE I give to you...."
So may the peace of JESUS CHRIST be with you.

I don't need to reply your first post as typical Muslim always behave.

Rilwayne001: Matthew, chapter 16:”
14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
Reading the above verses reveals the following:
1) Some of the Jews are confused about the identity of Jesus
2) Jesus admits he is the Messiah.

You just reinforced my point that the Jews got confused about the identity of Jesus and LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES.

Examining the verses above reveals the following:
1) Some Jews thought he was The Prophet.
2) Others thought he was The Messiah.
3) The Jews are definitely confused.

Still the same as above.

We understand from the above verses that the Jews expected two characters; some other passages reveal three characters.

This is the MISTAKEN part of it from the Jews FOR ASSUMING that THE PROPHET WILL BE DIFFERENT from the MESSIAH.
This is the key point.

John 6:”14 When the people saw the sign he had done, they said, "This is truly THE PROPHET, the one who is to come into the world."
Now can we assume that the Jews were correct when they thought he was THE PROPHET? Were they not confused about his identity? The Jews were indeed confused.

This is how you will know that you're really confused more than the Jews themselves.
You agreed that the Jews were indeed confused about the identity of Jesus, do you also agree that they(the Jews) might also be WRONG in viewing THE PROPHET from the MESSIAH?

Beside THE JEWS finally agree that JESUS is THE PROPHET whom Moses spoke about but to you they were confused, which you believe that they weren't confused when they assumed that the prophet is different from the Messiah.

We notice the following:
1) The Pharisees asked him about three characters. Presumably, they are well versed with the Old Testament.

You're still confused like the Jews.

2) We see the clear distinction between “The Prophet” and “The Messiah”.

After you agreed that the Jews always confused, what give you impression that the Jews weren't confused of this distinction?

3) John the Baptist did not object to their reasoning about the three characters and this is important to remember.

He doesn't need to because he is not the prophet nor Elijah nor Messiah.

Reviewing the above we conclude:
1) Most of the Jews were in confusion about the identity of Jesus, was he The Prophet or The Messiah?

Then you should also know that they might be confused of seen the prophet as a distinct person from the Messiah.

2) When they though he was The Prophet they tried to declare him as king but he escaped indicating that he is not that Prophet they were looking for and also for the reason mentioned by Jesus that he has no kingdom here on earth.

This is where you suppose to hit your forehead and say I'm indeed lack scriptural knowledge of the Bible.
First Deu 18:18 doesn't say the prophet will be made a King but Jesus being withdrew Himself for be made a king AFTER THE Jews AGREED that JESUS is THE PROPHET. prophecy a King ruling FOREVER is about the MESSIAH not The PROPHET.

lastly The Jews only believe the MESSIAH will be a KING over them, so when the Jews now agreed that JESUS Christ is THE PROPHET and wanted to made Him a King SHOULD TELLS YOU THAT THE PROPHET AND THE MESSIAH WILL BE ONE PERSON.

3) The Pharisees knew exactly who they were asking about when confronting John the Baptist

But always confused about their own scriptures.

4) Jesus admitted that he was the Messiah.

Did Jesus ever rebuke Jews for calling Him THE prophet?

Now Mr. Emusan kindly tell me who the PROPHET is?

The MESSIAH who knew God FACE TO FACE LIKE MOSES and SPOKE the direct word of God unlike Muhammad who never knew God FACE TO FACE nor hear God's voice ever in his life.

Rilwayne001: You still have to counter claim my points about those point i raise about the phrase prophet like unto thee

In fact @Proos212 has done a good job already but I just want to remove small from your brainwashed brain of your below statement.

Then you still have to tell me the prophet after christ, that the jew are talking about in john 1:20-21

Firstly, it's assumption at part of Muslims that the question is sequencial, that's why they always add 'AFTER CHRIST' to the question that the Jews asked John the Baptist.

Secondly, most Muslim scholars have linked this statement with Deu 18:18 in other to reinforced their fallacious claim. When they always fail in given a good answer to this simple question. Why did the Jews ask an Israelites (John the Baptist) and not any tribes? Since the prophecy didn't specify the location of prophet.


Lastly, Muslims are found of bashing into Bible and pick whatever verse(s) they think it suit them and neglect others even within the same context.
They quoted the word of JEWS with John the Baptist but neglect the same testimony of this same JEWS in another part.

These are their testimony!

"Philip found Nathanael and said to him, ‘We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’" John 1:45
Remember Philip is a Jew

When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, ‘This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!’ Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself." John 6:14-15

Finally, Jesus Christ Himself said Moses wrote about Him. John 5:45-47

Note: Asking such question from John which seems as if the Christ to come is strictly different from the prophet Moses spoke about shows that they(the Jews) don't study their scriptures very well because they(the Jews) also thought that NO prophet will arise from Galille (which I believe is the point you're going to raise next) but FORGOTTEN that Jonah is a prophet from Gath which is in Galille.

Stop following a wrong path which the end is destruction but the way, the truth and the life Jesus Christ which leads to eternal life.



Shalom.

It's an easy thing to dance to someone's idea without prove.

The question I'm still asking myself till date is, why am I so much loved by God for God to reveal Himself to me?

If not I would've been among those taking evolution as my ancestors and big bang as a creator.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, even His eternal power and Godhead; SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE." Rom 1:20

Thank you Lord!

All human being view their parent as a harsh, nagging, sometimes too wicked when they were been giving a proper child upbringing BUT many people at their independent AGE have looked back to those things their parent did to them and say I THANK YOU FOR THE ROAD YOU'VE LEAD ME TODAY, I thought you're a wicked, unloving and too harsh person before.

The irony part of it is that they all have different view at time of their own little knowledge.

The Bible says in Romans 8:20 "For the CREATURE was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, BUT by the reason of Him(God) who hath subjected the same in HOPE."

NOTICE the word NOT WILLINGLY, the color statement and last word HOPE.


You may call God any name you like as a child did but those who have served God beyond written i.e having personal relationship with Him have their testimony and can look back to say God I thank you for what you've done and the road you've lead me.

Finally, I want you to know that if God truly exists, MAN CAN'T DESIGN HOW TO KNOW HIM RATHER IT'S ONLY GOD WHO CAN DESIGN HOW HE CAN BE KNOWN TO MAN.

I'm a finite being with finite mind trying to discern the mind of an infinite being of God and my post is opened to correction not bashing on me.


Shalom!

Rilwayne001: A closer look, at two of these religions--Judaism and Islam will show this to be true: both Jews and Muslims worship One God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

The Underlined statement baffles me a lot.
If this statement is true(as you try to justify your false religion) then I have a simple question for you, what did the Jews do before Muhammad declared war against them by calling them AN INFIDEL and that they must convert to Islam?

Did you let your reader know that Muhammad called the Jews an infidel without any reasonable fact?
This is typical attitude of Muslims always withhold truth from their readers. Their scholars are even worsen.

Kay 17: 1. By followed, I meant it in the literal sense.

So how can one followed satan to do alms to the poor?

Isn't that a law?

From your OP it inferred that the laws are for man not for God. Now if the laws are for man isnt it that God wants us to live peacefully with ourselves? then the delineated in good and back is that thing you do that is right in the sight of God not in your own sight and God has listed them somewhere.

Also, from your acronym of SiN, Sin is a state of affaiirs not an action (moral action) hence people are not sinners by virtue of committing sins, rather by the state of affairs. That would be contradictory in Christianity, because man is said to commit sin.

I can see that you never decipher my post since. What I mean by that acronym is this, through satan man involve in sin. The instruction God gave to Adam & Eve is to guide them in preventing satan to influence them. Satan is the first being to influence nature with lie (give a contrary message to that of God) because when he speaks he speaks lies and out of him lies flow..John 8:44.

What flows out from Satan's influence are:
*All sort of immorality
*pride
*Hatred e.t.c
The instruction God gave to Adam in order to guide himself against the influence of Satan to flow through him, but he fails to hold on to it. So the laws are for man to guide against SIN, problem to free yourself from SIN you're already Satan's candidate who will follow Satan to partake in everlasting destruction. Nobody is treating you with any fire very simple analogy.
The choice is yours!



Shalom!

harbiola1: You're a polytheist bro.

Of course that is what you have been programmed with. Just simple statement is too hard for you comprehend.

man choses to attached a particular name to a being thought to be supreme over them.
*English people derived this name from Goden called the supreme being God.
*Yoruba called this supreme being olorun/Olodumare.
*Arab derived their own name from one of their gods and called Him Allah e.t.c.
So God/Olorun/Allah/Yehweh/Obangiji e.t.c are names man has chosen to called this supreme being. But this supreme being Himself has some unique names which He has revealed to people whom has spoken with.
Those names are:
*I Am that I Am,
*Mighty God,
*Wonderful,
*Everlasting Father.

Tell me any of this names Jesus was never called both in OT & NT? Very simple question.
After all you are the who asked for God's name.



Shalom!

harbiola1: Thanks! but my post is more than this one u quoted. Meaning, u're agree with all my points up there.

So not quoting all your post means I agree with them, SMH.

I believe He has name, what is His name?

Of course He has a name;
the I Am that I Am,
Holy one of Isreal,
the Jealous God,
Everlasting Father,
Mighty God.

If not Jesus, then why is the name of Jesus being used in place of God's name?

All the above name mention, tell me anyone which Jesus was not called both in Old Testament & New Testament?
This should tell you that God was Christ in flesh because He said my glory will I not share with anybody. Isaiah 42:8. So when Christians are talking about Christ they are talking about the I Am that I Am who revealed Himself in person of Jesus. I know it's still a mystery to you but just telling you...may Christ reveals Himself to you.



Shalom!

harbiola: Who is the Christians God?

First time you will make sense with your post.

In answer to your question, the God who created the universe, whom Satan rebelled against and revealed Himself to people like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Isaiah e.t.c by using these people to prophecies the coming of His only Son Christ Jesus.

Or do you have any ideas of who the God of the Christian is apart from this?

Kay 17: I'd show you how your acronym for sin is faulty.

So how did you show this?

1. If a man followed Satan to give the poor alms, would that be a sin?

What do you mean by "followed Satan"?

2. What delineates good from bad?

That thing which is right in the sight of God.

Kay 17: In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

I can see that you never grasp what actually went wrong between Man and God and the purpose of Christ on earth.

Let me shield more light on it. Sin as you put it not the full fact about.

1) Mosiac laws are a guide for the land of Isreal only and the shadow of grace that should come which is Christ Jesus.

2) What is sin?
Sin is an acronyms of "Satan Influence over Nature" inwhich man was included.
Satan first rebellion is to be like God and raised his own throne above God's own (which means Satan wants his own rulership) and in the same notion satan also spread this unto Adam and Eve.
When Adam & Eve hearken unto Satan's voice God knows that great seperation has come between Him and man become Man wants to have his own rulership without Him. Remember, immediately satan influences the nature God has already deteemined His end by condemned satan into evalasting destruction and the end of all things as a result of satan's influence.

3) The purpose of Christ Jesus on earth.
Through Satan influence over nature DEATH (both physical and spiritual) came upon man. The first victory of Christ is to purchase eternal life for all men by destroying the DEATH that SIN brought. How? because when the actual time in which God has chosen to put Satan into everlasting destruction and nature itself comes those who have exercised faith in Christ (that has Christ was raised from dead they will also be raised from dead) and safe guard their souls through the help of the Holyspirit will be preserved in Christ house that was not built with humans hand nor any materials of this nature. This is what it means to have salvation through Christ.

The Mosaic laws as is a guide for the children of Isreal to live before the grace (Christ) was revealed which in Christ appearance was summarized into two for the whole world to follow.
1) Love thy God with all your heart, soul & body...why loving God? because by loving God you will always remember that the judgement of God is coming one day which should continually putting you in thinking, devot and giving your service to God.
2) Love thy neighbour as thyself....why this? because by doing so, taking lives of others, false accusation against anybody, acquire unnecesaary wealth/wealth in a wrong way e.t.c will not happen.
In total obedient or fulfilling of these two laws Christ has sent/given us Holyspirit to usher our step day by day in order not to keep fighting in fulfilling these two laws.

Finally, the Mosaic laws which were totally concealled in just two laws are ingredients to fully upholding ourself in the process of exercising our faith in Christ. Because if God wants you to live peacefully with all men and you keep fighting/ battling with these laws physically it can prevent you to focus on the faith you need most. That's why Christ has to abolished the physical battle with mosaic laws and establishend just two so that it will be very easy for us to practice with the help of the Holyspirit.

So as many that are still living under Satan Influence over Nature (SIN) will surely follow Satan to the place of eternal destruction. Everlasting fire was not made for man but satan and any one who still lives & died under sin.

Do you want to escape this destruction through the purpose of Christ or be part of it by still living under sin? The choice is yours!




Shalom!

ugonnaa1054: Nice..and how come you know so well about the Bible and the Quran

I'm a believer in Bible saved by grace through Jesus Christ with an evidence of Holyspirit in confirmation of God's existence.

I've read Quran from sura 1-114 of Shitte though never read the last chapter of 115 of the shunia. So that is how I know much about Islam.

80-85% of Quranic stories negate Biblical ones that is why in other for Muslims scholars to keep living in a delusion state, they always claim that Bible has been corrupted.



Shalom!

1) I could go to the end of the world for you!
Ans: Thanks, but promise me you will stay there for the rest of your life.

2) I would bring you the moon!
Ans: Thanks, but don't forget to visit the sun too because I need a part of it.

3) You're the only sugar in my tea!
Ans: No wonder the tea always tasteless.

4) You're my Life!
Ans: That's a pure lie because I'm standing right infront of you, your life is inside you.

5) I could walk a thousand mile for you!
Ans: Don't forget to hold Alomo Bitter and make sure your route pass Borno state I need some later news.

6) What can I do to make you happy?
Ans: Only if you can tear some parts of your dress and walk along Yaba left.

7) My heart always beats for you!
Ask: How come I don't used to hear the Sound?

The books in the world can't contain all the love I have for you!
Ask: Who will read it? When I'm still battling with 21pages of Dad & Daughter's open letter.

9) If love is water I would've given you an ocean!
Ans: And don't forget to buy the drum that will contain it.

10) I can hear your voice even when you're silent!
Ans: Pure lie, things don't make sound in silent. maybe your ancestors are the one talking to you.

11) You always drive me crazy!
Ans: Ooooop! I'm sorry for that, it's the pot holes on our road that cause it.




Happy New Year to you all.....from Me, my unmarried wife & my unborn Child.