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[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Didn't get you at all. Stop resorting to silly strawman in order to make sense out of your folly.[/quote]Very simple by answering this simple question....Is Christian and Muslim serving the same God? If Yes then you can continue to look for Muhammad in the Bible If No no need to look for him? simple as ABC ![]() |
[quote author=WHξξ∟s]do the above relate with this: Are you suffering from alexia or you are deliberately ridiculing yourself You need a theraphist dude.[/quote]Muslims with their caustic words.Why prophecies for the person who claimed that God who inspired Moses, Isaiah, Job e.t.c also inspired him but he never possessed all the quality of those prophets and called them a liar? Simple logic....if you can't answer the question then you don't need it because it will be very hard for you to understand. |
[quote author=WHξξ∟s]What I deduce from this discourse is harbiola in his curious nature put a self substantiating question in a bid to acquire knowledge from the gentle christians here, and his intention was genuine that's why he humbled himself to beg for answers from you folks. The thread was about prophecies and fulfillments that's why he raised the issue of an awaited prophet, please share the knowledge with him if you know the person who fulfill that prophecy or excuse yourselves if you are ignorant about what he asked.[/quote]The question is, is christian and muslim serving the same God? why are you looking for something missing in another man's house? |
harbiola1: Thanks for replying this.That Muhammad can never be qualify as a prophet to those who God spoke to in the Bible and he can't be found in the Bible NO! But,All versions of Bible are also the same in Hebrew or Greek. 2. It does has 114 chapter from Yusuf Ali to Pickhall and others whether in America or India.All also contain 66 books 3. You can not see a chapter/verse in one version but be missing in another version.Hmmmm pure lies....e.g Yusuf Ali's version contains 289 verses in Sura 2 while Allamah Noorrudin and some contain 286. and many more that I can't mention for now. Even going by the way of some versions like Maulana Ali & Allamah's version it clearly shows that Jesus died in sura 5:117 this phrase appear "but since you caused me to die" why others use "when you took me up" Try to get more than one version ehhh This is just 3 differences between Bible and Quran that i can remember for now.Check very well. |
harbiola1: Excuse me! if He was there, then He is there. And He was not there then He is not there.That is what I'm saying stop pretending as if you don't know. And i don't think u meditate on this statement of ur's b4 posting it.I always laugh at this statement from folks like you and it show the low level you're being operated. Does version the same as original? Today look at all the English versions of Qur'an is it the same? No! so get wisdom. |
mrakin: I don't like going into argument with anybody, we are all free to believe whatever we choose to believe.I don't like it too but something like this your post always resorted to it. The truth:Simple question, how did God begath Jesus? Christ is our saviour and the king of God's kingdomGod and Jesus has the same throne 3 All our prayers must be through the name of CHRIST but our prayer is directed to GOD.Correct! But Jesus answers prayer too 4 we need to avoid the works of the flesh100% correct. |
Lb pls help us reach out to other Atheist probably world wide that we need more public holiday. You gat my point ![]() |
harbiola1: No! Let use the same weight that christians used (e.g Jesus lived in such&such, Jesus is like such&such) to come out from theory into law as it's in those verses up there. Then after given me a clue of such, the onus would be on me to counter-attack ur theory. On a longrun, somebody will come out with the Purest Law. Lo ba tan (It's finished)You are still trying to make sure that Muhammad fits into Bible when your book totally bridge the relationship between the inspiration behind the two books. |
lanrexlan: What's he saying? Are you high on alomo?I have known you for this not today! Mind you the purpose of this thread isn't to argue with anyone for a very long post than to show that the Spirit that inspired Bible is different from Quran. I know none of you will agree that why offpoint is being given to the Op instead of addressing it because Muslims must find their way into Bible whereas there is a wide range in between the two Books. |
Kay 17: @truthislightFor now we scientist don't have answer to this question ![]() |
Kay 17: The problems of the above:Kay 17 longest time now You and Ooman just disappear on this forum ![]() It has been long I talk about science but let's do a little exercise Choose one from these two 1) Finite--it means Big Bang occurred and the universe has a boundary 1)Infinite--it means Big Bang didn't occur and the universe has no boundary Good-luck ![]() |
lanrexlan: By Allah,I swear I wanna reply you but when I read this poo you posted then I realised that you are just a lost sheep searching for pasture and sheep are gullible.If not because your daftness if of the highest order you wouldn't have spew this nonsense "the people of the book" are Muslims can you reason that way....and the passage is very clear that you people shouldn't argue because the two books were revealed after Abraham.... If Allah truly revealed Torah and the gospel(as he claimed), why will muhammad say you shouldn't argue with it. come with a better refutation ehhhh ignorance is not an excuse. Shalom! |
harbiola1: Actually, u just jump on the CONCLUSSION thatt Muhammed(saw) said other Prophets were LIARS when bible clear said they were MURDERERS, FORNICA. TORS, DRUNKARDS, IDOLATORS...See how you keep exposing your ignorance.....Who sent these prophets you're talking about? Did Allah not claim responsibility for sending them? Muhammed(saw) was doing what Jesus seems to have not enough time to do.Delusion....why do you think I opened this thread if not for this your useless claim. pls come with better prove next time and stop exposing your ignorance |
harbiola1: I can sense the fact that if this brother see the truth, is gonna EMBRACE it.So you don't have anything better than these poo ![]() Anyway TRUTH is bitter...... |
NOTE: This thread is not a rush & read type and then comment rather take your time to read through because all verses refer to won't be quoted fully. Some people see the major controversy between Christianity and Islam today as a result of Muslims being denied the death of Jesus Christ or Son of God(or mostly as God) of which the origin & content of each side speaks more than this. The major aim of this thread is to highlight the incoherent between each book being claimed to be inspired by the same person to draw our conclusion. Even though Qur'an isn't too interesting to read I can still decipher these points. THE CREATIONS The book of Genesis which mean "the beginning tells us how God begins His works and it is witten by Moses through revelation. Gen chapter 1 & 2 show how God prepared EARTH to stand out of waters and how everything are being created including MAN. God confirmed this creation accounts by the people who came after Moses i.e Job 37 & 38, Heb 11:3 e.t.c Qur'an claimed that EARTH was created from another body i.e heaven and earth were once in a mass before God caused them to be separated Sura 21:30 "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together [as one unit of creation], before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Again Qur'an said the sky and earth speak when God called on them to come forth willingly or unwillingly Sura 41:11. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been [as] smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come [together], in willing obedience." Though they both agree on 6days creations and Adam & Eve. But the rest negate the creation accounts in the Bible. THE FLOOD Another exciting story in the Bible is the flood of NOAH. Genesis 7 details how many people who went into the Ark with Noah....number them as 8 peoples. How are will sure that this number is correct? The simple answer is God also comfirmed it through people who succeeded Moses: 1. Apostle Peter confirmed this in 1peter 3:20, 2peter 2:5 2. The writer of the book of Hebrew also did the same Heb 11:7 Qur'an said some people get converted through Noah's preaching and entered the Ark with him apart from his family. Sura 11:25-49 Again Qur'an also said one of the Noah's sons perished with the flood, Sura 11:43 "The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood" FALL OF SATAN Prophet Isaiah was well known for his remarkable prophecies and visions. In his book chapter 14:12-15 and 47:6-12, he spoke about Satan having said he will raise his throne above God and be like the Most High God as a result of this angel Michael waged war against satan and he was cast down to the earth. How true is this statement about satan? We can agree with this because another Apostle attested it: In John's revelation in the NT, God confirmed this Rev 12:7-12 Qur'an says Satan fell because he failed to submit/give worship to Adam when Adam was first created that God said let all the Angels submit/give worship to him. Sura 7:11-16 "11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who prostrate", sura 2:34 ISAAC & ISMAIL This is no more news that Quran says Ismail is the promised son while Isaac is the son of the bound woman but I choose it because it being confirmed by Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:28 "Now we, brethen, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." PSALMS You may wonder and ask why the book of psalms? Actually I found this as total false in Qur'an. In more than two verses in Qur'an stated that it is Allah who gave David the zabûr(Psalms) But what we know about the book of Psalms today is that; is the collection of one hundred and fifty lyrics which compose the 19 OT books. Authorship of seventy of it ascribed to David, the rest were ascribed to people like Moses, Asaph, Ezra e.t.c. Psalms simply means "praises in Hebrew" and the whole book have been divided into two 1) songs of praises sang by these people in worshiping God. 2) is called holy written which means those part that were not song but speak about Christ mostly. The whole book of Psalms was not written by a single person. In Yusuf Ali's translation thought to have noticed this problem quickly inserted this phrase into his book [the gift of]. US, WE & OUR Going by the way of today's English these words are refer to as A PERSONAL PRONOUN which involved the speaker and at least one person. Though colloquially it means Me or I. These are unusual words used in composition of Qur'an which are very rare in the Bible except in two cases. We found these words in Gen 1:26 when God said "Let US make man in OUR own image...." and also in John 14:23 when Jesus used these personal pronouns to show that He and the Father are truly one "..and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him" In using these words it's obvious that the writer/speaker is not only referring to himself but group of peoples. Neither God nor Angels ever delivered a message in the Bible with these personal pronoun words. Now these words were widely used in Qur'an to the extent that it appeared in form of worship of more than one God i.e sura 21:90 "So We listened to him: and We granted him Yahya: We cured his wife's [Barrenness] for him. These [three] were ever quick in emulation in good works; they used to call on Us with love and reverence, and humble themselves before Us. Sura 10:12. When trouble toucheth a man, He crieth unto Us [in all postures]- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes! Many more 51:36, 37:75-78, 39:2 that time and space won't permit me to list them all. The rest will be posted later! CONCLUSION It's crystal clear that the person who inspired the two books is absolutely different. No wonder Muslims always stuck in between to give a direct answer to this simple question "Is Christians and Muslims serving the same God" or quickly concluded that "Bible has been corrupted" If they agree with the question or didn't conclude either, their book is out of Biblical inspiration which is true anyway. Though it contains all figures(I mean people) that make up the Bible but it called those prophets a liar and makes God a liar too. Muhammad really called the past prophets and Allah liars as it stated in this Sura 3:65 "Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?" Yet He(Muhammad) claimed that the Torah(law) and the Gospel were revealed by Allah" Shalom! |
lanrexlan: Always asking the same question every time,aren't you tired of it?because I never get any true answer from an open-minded muslim ![]() |
umar fantami: IS THERE ANYVery plenty! don't worry wait for my thread tomorrow. I never create any thread about Islam this one will be first time. |
The GSM we are enjoying today was brought by OBJ REGIM,that alone is enough to qualified him as a good leader. [quote author=Emusan][/quote] |
gbadexy: The writer is correct in a way sha. |
mahdino: I don't know why christians refuse to see the prophecies about Mohammad (SAW) like that of Isiah 29:12, 25:12?Muslims never seem to amaze me. Must they force Muhammad into Bible before he is being accepted? Whereas muhammad himself never meet up the requirement of any past prophets. Wait for my thread tommorow about this. Shalom! |
harbiola1: I worship God while you worship Jesus.Thank God you're worship God. I know this question is a big problem for muslims to answer. |
tintingz: every prophet before Jesus have the word ospiritand his spiritWhy Muhammad own different? because No where in Qur'an stated that Muhammad had the spirit of God nor Holyspirit even minister through him. One thing is that the boss is far greater than the staffs even if the son is among them...but if we go through the bible there are many people refer as son of God not only Jesus(as), they are all servants of God.I'm also a son of God without about that? This is the statement "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" saieth thy Lord God. Last point: is Muslim and Christian serving the same God? Shalom! |
larrymoore: u. Can as well define the God of the bible and dat of the muslim, since u keep on repeting the same question.Simple question that doesn't need up to two words is hard for you to answer! SHM |
umar fantami: you didn't answer my questionThe same Bible you're always mis-reading & misquoting from. Your purpose here and intention of Muslims world wide is to justify every their single point with Bible verse(s) without addressing the main issue surrounding their claim which is the question I demanded of you. Is christian and muslim serving the same God? |
umar fantami: Nehemiah 8:6 And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.Is Christian and Muslim serving the same God? |
umar fantami: . BUTThe honest question you should ask yourself is; is Muslim and Christian serving the same God? I know many muslims can't answer this with an open mind because their not truthful to themselves. |
Muslims unlike some of the Christians,Must you bring Christian into this, why can't you support evolution and leave christian alone? have no issue believing in dinosaurWho told you Christian don't believe in dinosaur? Nah wa ooooo believing in life before mankind believing in genetic mutations,Imaging if you know the meaning of this I believe you will reject the theory of evolution. And again life before mankind do you read Genesis at all? About genetic mutations if you agree with one life started it all yet you claim Allah created Adam, how come? believing in speciation or extrapolating the human time-line beyond 6,000 years.Another lie. Infact, Islamically it is not problematic at all to accept a universal common ancestor for all life on earth with one exception and that is Man.So you believe one primodal gem started it all? maybe from that one life that Allah given Adam life sha! according to you. Since Adam is not the first Man created by Allah. Muslims also have to realize that evolutionary science is not bad science. It is a well-researched scientific model that fits the criterion of proper science but it also have the limitations that any scientific theory would have.If only you know the implications of evolution on any religious claim that is "NO CREATOR INVOLVED IN ORIGIN OF ALL LIFE EVER EXISTED ON EARTH" Then you will know it doesn't fit into your Book. Shalom! |
Logicboy03: Wait....this is what I do not understand. You have interacted with us and seen that we prefer to just argue based on evidence that [size=14pt]we can see or measure.[/size] How are we misguided? Is it necessary to know christ to live a good life?That bolded speaks alot Is everything that exist in this vast universe observable and measurable? Honest answer pls. |
Op I thought you're a Jehovah defender not a christian? ![]() |
safarigirl: I predict Group CWaoooo if one enter in these groups ![]() ![]() |
^^^^^Sing^^^^^ Never fail me yet 2x Jesus Christ never fails me yet There's onething I know, wherever I go! Jesus Christ never fails me yet. Hallelujah!!! |
texanomaly: Yes...how could he not be? To create such complex machines as the human body? Then there is our solar system, and how it works together. The way oxygen is produced on this planet, the way the tides work, molecular structure, the list is endless. How can one look at all He has created and not see the greatest scientist of all.If you continue to argue with them it's waste of time.
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You need a theraphist dude.[/quote]Muslims with their caustic words.
