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Who addressed Moses?

When Moses said to his people 'I observe a fire, and will bring you news of it, or I will bring you a flaming brand, that haply you shall warm yourselves.' So, when he came to it, he was called: 'Blessed is he who is in the fire, and he who is about it. Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise. Cast down thy staff.' And when he saw it quivering like a serpent he turned about, retreating, and turned not back. 'Moses, fear not; surely the Envoys do not fear in My presence, save him who has done evil, then; after evil, has changed into good; All-forgiving am I, All-compassionate. Thrust thy hand in thy bosom and it will come forth white without evil-among nine signs to Pharaoh and his people; they are an ungodly people.' But when Our signs came to them visibly, they said, 'This is a manifest sorcery'; and they denied them, though their souls acknowledged them, wrongfully and out of pride. Behold, how was the end of the workers of corruption! S. 27:7-14



For more: http://answeringislam.org/Quran/Miracle/not_so_eloquent.html

tola9ja: LOL we muslim believe in all prophet sent by ALLAH including jesus so you are the 1 that need to understand what jesus practice

How does your reply compliment my post?

By the way I know you believe in Qur'anic Jesus but not the one who was crucified in Palestine 2000years ago, the saviour of the world.

The confused people have change their teaching again I think this time around the light has gotten more than brighter.
This quote was taken from Good news from God 2012 topic 'Who is Jesus Christ?'
"Soon, Jesus will use His power as king to bring an end to all suffering and to those who cause it. All who exercise faith in Jesus by obeying him will enjoy life in a Paradise on earth." p. 9

The reader should have it in mind that in other for Muslims to explain away the problem of plurality within the divine person of Allah they claimed that ROYAL PRONOUN was used by Allah in Qur'an but does it solve the problem?..... Let's see!

1) There's no a plurality of Divine Persons according to Islamic theology yet the Quran says Allah does have a God, Lord, or Master.

What, shall I seek after any judge but God? For it is He who sent down to you the Book well-distinguished; and those whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from thy Lord with the truth; so be not thou of the doubters. S. 6:114

What, is every man of them eager to be admitted to a Garden of Bliss? Not so; for We have created them of what they know. No! I swear by the Lord of the Easts and Wests, surely We are able to substitute a better than they; We shall not be outstripped. S. 70:38-41.

Allah swears by the Lord of the easts and wests, says that he will seek no other judge besides God and that he gave the book that Muhammad’s Lord sent down!

2) Whom did Allah pray to?
He it is who prays for you and His angels too, to bring you forth out of the darkness into the light, for He is merciful to the believers. S. 33:43 Palmer

Verily, God AND His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! S. 33:56 Palmer

Prayer entails calling upon or supplicating someone who can hear you, which in the context of Islamic worship means invoking Allah:

3) Who did Allah hymn praises to?
Lo! verily, ye and that which ye worship, Ye cannot excite (anyone) against Him. Save him who is to burn in hell. There is not one of US but hath his known position. Lo! We, even We are they who set the ranks, Lo! WE, even WE are they who hymn His praise S. 37:161-166 Pickthall

Allah is supposed to speaking here as he shifts from first person plural to third person singular pronouns. But this is where the confusion sets in. He knows his position, sets the ranks, and is the one who hymns the praises of God! Who tells Allah what his position is and to whom is singing?

4) And (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, Allah watches over them, and you have not charge over them. And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire. And if Allah had pleased He would surely have made them a single community, but He makes whom He pleases enter into His mercy, and the unjust it is that shall have no guardian or helper. Or have they taken guardians besides Him? But Allah is the Guardian, and He gives life to the dead, and He has power over all things. And in whatever thing you disagree, the judgment thereof is (in) Allah's (hand); that is Allah, MY Lord, on Him do I rely and to Him do I turn time after time. S. 42:6-10 Shakir

The one (We) who revealed the Quran to Muhammad (you) is speaking here, which means that this is Allah who is addressing Muhammad. But, then, the one who revealed the Quran not only refers to Allah in the third person (Allah, Him) but also says that Allah is his Lord whom he relies on and constantly turns to! In other words, Allah is saying that Allah is his Lord whom he depends on!


For more: http://answeringislam.org/Shamoun/muslim_god_criteria.htm

mathmatica: ....As if I care...

Please try to be care so that you can know the truth.

Check all the source of this article if they contain lies then don't care but if they are true then try to be more than care.


@Op
One of the area JW lack knowledge of the scriptures is Holy spirit part.
I once asked a man who told me he has been a JW for the past 10years, if Holy spirit is a force how can It hear?
His response was that he'll will ask people more about it in fact he doesn't even know such word exist in the Bible.

tola9ja: This platform is known for truth and confirmed information and has never found to have carried foul/false News. For over some months now there have been an information circulating about the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) being involve in sponsoring Boko haram insurgent activities in Nigeria sighting the News of her to have bailed Muhammad Yusuf when first arrested before he was murdered which CAN never disputed but our research informants are still looking into confirming the authenticity of this claim

So if your platform where you did the copy & paste was known for truth and confirmed information WHY carried unconfirmed & inauthentic information?

Can you see this contradiction?

In conclusion, we are posting this neither to say Christians are the mastermind of the threat to our national unity, bombing and the killing by the Boko haram nor clearing the tagged on Islam or the stigma on the Muslims but to let everyone know the truth and that we must look carefully behind the scene, put religious, ethnical or tribal sentiments aside in this issues affecting Nigeria and our lives. We dnt mean to tag CAN but are only wondering why CAN always blame the recent rues in Nigeria to Islam and Muslims. If what CAN stands for is to praise Government shortcomings, blaim Muslims, plan propaganda to blackmail Islam, cover the truth and broadcast falsehood, then they are nothing but a satanic cult group hiding under Christianity, killng Muslims and Christians and make them blaim it on one another to create religious war, disunity and destroy love,peace and co-existence in Nigeria. We are wondering why so many Christians do not even know this CAN or accept her, [color=green]no wonder Pastor Bakare and some other prominent pastors vowed never to be a member of this group.[/green] Therefore we all need to stand by the truth and be people of truth and justice, one day we will pack our load and leave this earth for real.

Compare all the colored part to each other.
You're not trying to tag CAN but according to you and your co-brainwashed fellow, who is the sponsor of Boko Harram?
What truth do you want us know?

Like I always say whenever Muslims find problems within their case the next thing is to turn to Christian.
Is it CAN who wrote those Jihadist verses in the Quran?
Was it CAN who behind the Al-Qeada, Taliban, ISIS, ISIJ, Al-Shaba e.t.c?

The good thing you can do to yourself is to sit down and ask simple question why all these are so common in any Muslim dominated area?

Until you realise that there's problem then solution can come.
It's good as you realised that there's problem within Quran and those who profess faith on it BUT it's never too late, come to Jesus who says "My Peace I give unto you not as THE WORLD giveth..."
Jesus is ready to receive you.

tola9ja: 1 ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW FOR EQUITY IN PUNISHMENT

2.ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW ON BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD

3.SHARIA LAW ON INTEREST TAKING AND BRIBERY

TO BE CONTINUE
THAT IS SHARIA LAW INSIDE THE BIBLE THESE WHAT SAUDI ARABIA AS BEEN USING FOR PAST DECADE THAT WHY THEY ARE FREE FROM CORRUPTION MAKE THEM THE WORLD NO1 NON CORRUPT COUNTRY IF NIGERIA CAN APPLY THIS LAW I THINK IT WILL BE BETTER THAN THIS

Thank Allah that you've boldly come out to admit that Qur'an supports a lot of killing even till the day of judgement.

Anytime Muslims find problems within their Holy book the next thing to do is to turn to Christians Holy book the Word of God.

*To justify their own contradictions they went and published "101 contradictions in the Bible" YET THE GULLIBLE PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE BIBLE PROPHESIED THE COMING OF Muhammad

*To justify that Qur'an and Muhammad truly support Jihad of killing innocent souls and Apostate they begin to misinterpreted Jesus' statement when Jesus told His disciples to buy sword.

*To justify a lot of abrogation in the dubious act of Allah through Muhammad they also jump into Bible without having understanding of how Yahweh has planned His work of SALVATION from the beginning.

If their claims are true then it means either of the two books can be trusted but they always fail when comes to Bible.

So as society and current situation in the Muslims' world have posed a lot of REALITY for you to see all the inconsistencies within your book PLEASE it's time to question yourself INSTEAD of comparing Quranic problems with Bible.

uzoexcel:
in a court of law, if something was counted as 969 and i say its about 1000, is it not better than someone else saying its actually 971.

So you mean Allah is also acting as human being?

Wasn't this event suppose to be happened in Allah's presence?

Why would Allah using human methodology when He suppose to know what was actually counted?

In a court of law an All-knowing God shouldn't use a guess game but given actual number since He knows the actual number counted even before it was counted.

frosbel: The message of salvation is loud and clear within scripture as a whole.

I will still repeat myself, you want to eat your cake and have it.

How are you sure that these people weren't mistaken in their message of SALVATION since you agree that they record error?

Really!! So we should ignore obvious errors and contradictions even though most scholars agree that these matters do pose certain problems?

The only problem what seems to be discrepancy could pose it's on the part of people like you who couldn't reconcile God's word accurately rather depending on what Atheist says to judge God's word.

Also, since you like to criticise the Quran, why can't the bible be open to the same methods of analysis?

In what way did I criticise Qur'an?
Of course Bible has been opened to scrutinizing that's why things like these can come up.

1. Inspiration is one thing, communicating the message through imperfect beings is another.

Do you believe God can inspire error?
Was God found it difficult to communicate accurately with imperfect being?

2. We do not have the original autographs today, what we have are copies of copies and hence unwitting but passable errors have been made.

Are you attacking the original writers & their manuscripts or the copy from copy manuscript we have today?

[b]3.[/b]It is the overall message that we get from the bible that matters and God's spirit knows how to communicate this to the true seekers.

Your answer to the above question will provide answer to this.

[b]4.[/b]There are some other errors in the bible which are either blatant falsifications or attempts to make certain doctrines fit into scripture.

let me get you clearly, did you bring out all these in errancies to let us know that God inspired people who actually recorded error or your point is what people have done to accurate word of God that make it contains discrepancies?

If I know your stand then I'll know how to continue with you.

But you can't tell me that original writers were inspired to WRITE errors and we CAN also trust their writing about SALVATION.

yemaldo: Let them correct their mistakes then,Quran has been in existence for so many years too but there isn't anything like copyist error

If you call it mistake it's left for you.

You're referring to Qur'an.
Did you know that Qur'an doesn't always give actual number of an historical even rather using a statement like "about 1000 people" which has posed weakness on Allah's part?

frosbel: The Bible is not unreliable when you read it from the context of the overall message of God's love and salvation for MANKIND.

Note a few things :

1. God used imperfect human beings
2. He did not override their will, emotion or intellect
3. He inspired them and they put pen to paper as best as they could narrate the words of God.
4. There were obviously errors and misrepresentations in some cases but these are few and far between.
5. The original manuscripts are not available, what we do have now are copies from other copies.
6. If you think about it, in those days there was no press, so scribes at different locations and times had to painstakingly copy these manuscripts.
7. During the translation to Latin , the Catholic church deliberately inserted some outright errors to support their myths such as the Trinity , Hell etc
8. These errors were carried into the English versions.
9. Nevertheless we are able to understand the specific truths of God through his Spirit and this requires humility
10. The message of Salvation is still not lost and consistent as ever.

Don't use this opportubtiy to make rash statements on what you know not.

You want to eat your cake and have it.

How do you know these men weren't mistaken in their message about SALVATION so far they could contradict themselves?

Very soon your thread will read "the God of Bible is a liar" then "There's no God"

If you agree that God inspired all the writer's of the books found in the Bible and in otherwise believe that God can't inspire error, your problem with those things you called biblical inerrancy should be 'how what seems to be Biblical inerrancy cleared away'.

Truly majority of Christians scholar have noticed these things BUT also they have come with possibility of what might actually result to these differences BY STRONGLY FIRST BELIEVE THAT it's impossible for God to inspire error AND EVERY SINGLE WORD in the BIBLE was inspired by God .

So these seem so called inerrancy were categorized into many headings.

1) Copyist's error WHICH means the original manuscripts weren't contained those discrepancies i.e where different in numerical figure can be found either in age or numbering.

2) Failure to know how God works! This should remind you that people who normally attack Bible are those who are not ready to acknowledge anything about God of the Bible or believe anything in the Bible.
This can be found in the story of who inspired David to number Is real Satan or God?

3) Failure to read the whole content/taking time to understand what the texts are saying.
And many more.

NOTE:- The second point you raised "where you said Mark supposedly to quote Malachi 3:1 but eventually quoted from Isaiah" shows that you don't read your Bible at all rather surfing internet up and down to talk about God.
How long will this help you to know God personally?

Show me where the word "WILDERNESS" appeared throughout Mal 3 not even verse1 but the whole chapter? Then check whether you won't find this same word in Isaiah 40:3.
In another word compare Isaiah 40:3 and Mark 1:2-3 then Malachi 3:1 and Mark 1:2-3 to see which one match each other.

KiddaBlingzz: I have a very thought-provoking and meditative question.
Be sober about it.
If yes why? And if no why?

would your relationship with God change it all if you discovered or were told with 100% certainty that he was actually a SHE?

I will firstly direct this question to you when you're able to answer it then I'll answer your question.

How will you discover or who are the people who can come to say so?

JesusisLord85: Liar! Works of satan.
All that nonsense you just spouted is basically misinterpretation of Paul.
The sabbath is an ordinance to be observed from generation to generation.

Tell me what Isaiah is speaking of here:

Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."

Tell me what Paul is doing here:

Acts 13:42 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath"

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.


So Isaiah spoke of sabbath in context of the Millenial Kingdom. Paul clearly observed it. And MOST IMPORTANTLY, The Most High set it as a commandment to be observed forever.

If you interpret anything Paul says to mean the contrary, then you are foolish for following it, because that would by definition make him a false teacher.

"Ye observe days" is not talking about the sabbath. Enter this phrase into an online bible and you will see it is mentioned in old testament, The heathen had their own special days too.

Shalom

I agree with you that God has set it (SABBATH) forever BUT NOT the way you interpreted it.

Hope these pieces of work will help?

But first know that Paul taught also that laws are the shadow of thing to come which is consummated by Christ Jesus.

Israel’s Sabbath observance, which was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their
righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification
since he has been given the promise of eternal life:

"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them , but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, "They shall not enter my rest,"’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.’ Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, ‘Today,’ saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted ‘Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden
your hearts.’ For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a
Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11

Again, since the reality has come:
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ ." Colossians 2:16-17

As Christ himself taught:
"And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son
of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

Why would anyone want to return to
the copy or shadow of things?

JMAN05: Demonic ministry thrives today, the devil transforming himself into an angel of light.

It is this demonic voice they hear at times. At some other times, they hear nothing but they are accustomed to that manner of speaking. Atimes, it is just a hallucination.

Do you mean it is impossible for a believer to hear God's voice?

JMAN05: The fact is, all who have heavenly hope are called to that inheritance. The word "calling" is used for these group of anointed ones. The other sheep invitation to true worship is in no way to be exempted though.

This present claim that you are called to be a Pastor or Bishop is a deception. Granted, in the case of Paul, Jesus appointed him specifically for a ministry, but this is not going to be a pattern for all. Secondly, his appointment was to go and preach, not to separate himself and form/build his own church with his wife, with a contradictory doctrine, thereby creating a division among the body of Christ. The gifts are meant to strengthen the body, not to divide it.

Someone being an elder or overseer (which has been given a titular name Bishop/Pastor), is through appointment. 1 Tim 3:1-12 shows the quality one is to possess before appointment as an Elder or Overseer. (Note: a pastor is a spiritual shepherd. In the bible, it is the Elders that are assigned to perform that duty. Elder and Pastor are not meant to be a separate offices. The congregation is cared for by the elders/pastor[b]s[/b] NOT Pastor). So, when someone meets these qualifications as stated in the scriptures, he is appointed as an elder or shepherd/pastor. He does not need to stay and wait for when a "voice" will come and tell him that he has been appointed.

Again, all those saints with a heavenly hope are called into that privilege, to share as rulers with Christ. They also have to preach as ambassadors of Christ and invite others. that is the sense the word is used in the bible. You can not now become a pastor/bishop by special calling. You meet a certain scriptural requirement before you are appointed. Of course, in the beginning of Christianity, it is understandable that Jesus has to select people to start off the work. When Timothy started to preach and became an elder/pastor, Jesus didnt give him a special revelation, rather he accepted the goodnews by Paul, and was latter appointed to be an elder. And none of them went and established there own church, breaking away from there previous church.

Someone will say, didn't the bible say that some were gifted as prophets, evangelizers, shepherds and teachers. Eph 4:11. Yes, when Jesus ascended, he sent out the holy spirit, and people got different gifts. All those who got that holy spirit are called. However, this does not mean that they have all assumed dictatorial offices, nor does it now allow them to go and establish there own churches. No. In fact, when Paul sent Timothy to different congregations to make appointments of elders and "deacons", those he was going to appoint had received the different gifts by virtue of the holy spirit given them when they were born again. Yet, Timothy was going to appoint elders/pastors/shepherds from among them. It is these appointed men that take the lead in teaching and shepherding the "church". If timothy appoints based on the guideline given him, it is believed that God approves of the appointment. This madness of establishing man-and-wife family churches we see these days in the name of calling is so pathetic.

First time I will ever see using direct interpretation of Bible mind not the teaching of Watchtower

@Op
You can be called anyhow as God wants to use you. So leave people who claim they were called alone and work out your own SALVATION yourself.

The best question to ask as a Christian at this time of many CALLS is; the person standing before me claiming to be called by God, how can I know whether h/her claimed is genuine?

My Brother/Sister Jesus has given us the Spirit of discernment to know the TRUTH.

italo: Neither Jesus nor the apostles ever mentioned "bible"

The Bible was created centuries later by the Catholic Church.

Using the Word CREATED is wrong.
Compilation is the best word.

lacum: ur positn is not yet clear. Are u saying dat neida d bible nor d church can help us worship God in spirit m in truth?

I'll use this your post together in answering the OP.

Firstly, Bible is a compilation of an historical books written by men through the inspiration of God in other to convey the very MIND of God towards His creation AND how God had dealt with MAN in the past WITH His future PLAN for man.

Secondly, You have to know that the very word 'BIBLE' never appeared within the book itself.

Thirdly, the Church In quote is not the building you go and worship every Sunday or sometimes during the week. church signifies THE SAINT(s) who have been made perfect by the finishing work of Christ. Jesus is coming for His church (the SAINTS) NOT denominations i.e those who has acknowledged Him as their personal Lord and Saviour.
Although the term 'Church (as building)' has been using to identify the gathering of believers in Christ.

Lastly, I can see that you're confusing church (the building/denominations) with Church (The SAINTS).
Bible as we have it, is a book which serves as A GUIDANCE for Christians NOT a certificate for salvation unto eternal life.

To your question "Are you saying neither the Bible nor the Church can help us WORSHIP God in spirit and in truth"?

Either Bible or church(I'll take this as a building or denomination) can help us WORSHIP God in truth and in spirit depending on how you read the books and the doctrine you follow.

The revelation of God in human history recorded by some men came before the Church (the act of believing in Christ's finished work by people) though this work has been for ordained before the foundation of the world BUT the CHURCH of Christ came before the compilation of the Christian Bible.


NOTE: I'm not arguing with you but I am a fallible and finite being trying to discern the mind of an infallible and infinite mind of sovereign God.

Remain Bless in CHRIST Jesus who is coming for His church not denominations.

li2pac1717: Mr man, did the pope and the Vatican city said that is a lie? Am sure they know more than you. So sit and relax and think carefully.

Were you there with the pope?

The funny thing is that Muslims scholar or commentator who uses the Gospel of Barnabas to prove prophet hood of Muhammad or attest Qur'an revelation WITHHOLDING some TRUTH from h/her reader because the Gospel of Barnabas contradicts some teaching/statement of Qur'an itself THOUGH it support some.

This statement reveals the intent of this post

The book contains the Gospel of
Barnabas, a disciple of Christ, and says
that Jesus had not been crucified but
ascended to heaven alive. St. Barnabas
was an early Christian and is
traditionally identified as the founder of
the Cypriot Church.
It also says Jesus was not the son of
God but a prophet who spoke the word
of God, calling Apostle Paul “The
Impostor.”
The text maintains a vision similar to
Islam, contradicting the New
Testament’s teachings of Christianity.
The ancient book also foresees the
coming of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad
(peace be upon him).

All the underlined and bolded statements speak for themselves.

Among all the books that made all this so call Bible, why only the book of Barnabas was single out?

What are the name of other books?

Is this only the copy of the Bible that was produced or many copy?

What happened to other copy?

These and many questions to be asked by an open-minded person seeking for the truth.

Oduduwaboy: The truth is that the question of the origin of existence leaves all the sides begging for answers. When was the beginning of time? If there was nothing in the very beginning , then what is the nature of 'nothing'? If there is God...where did he come from?
If you think the above questions are simple or should not be asked then it shows why its so easy for you to accept one of a thousand religions on earth as being the right one! You are simply not thinking enough.

Actually when it comes to a question like this I've stopped discussing it with Atheist over one year now NOT that I don't have answer to them but the TRUTH is you have your own answer to each of them already.

plaetton: What the hell is an infinite being?
Please define one for us.

Did you arrive a the existence of an infinite being by inference , or by observation?

Isn't an infinite being just another one of magical things you pull right out of you bottom to explain away your ignorance?

Sorry Mr. Plaeton I don't need to dive into this with you again.

Oduduwaboy: Okay. I dont wanna say anything for now.

I've already said it earlier.

Just that it all sounds too subjective for any third party to take seriously;

Intact third part is still far, second part self might not take it serious unless if s/he had the same experience.

you know, just as no xtian takes the koran seriously

Yes no Christian who has had personal encounter with Jesus(God) will believe in Qur'an.

and this is also reciprocated by the muslim and yet both sides claim divine origin.

Not even only in Islam it also happened within the Christendom.

I challenge you to give me a testimony of any Muslim who claimed to had encounter with Allah even Muhammad never did.

Thanks though.

You're welcome.

Actually I'm not argue with you but just to share my spiritual experience with you. It's a thing you can discard or look into to take another route about knowing whether God exists or not.

GooseBaba: Why do you have to showcase your mumurity...in reality energy is everywhere. Within this conversation where did I tell you that I "believe" energy is God...?

Energy is everywhere....but was it created?
Do you believe the universe was created by an infinite Being? if Yes! who is this being?
If No! how did universe come to existence?

Like I said stop speaking for an infinite, you end up making excuses. Now you ask me to ask those people if they had a covenant with the true God..? I'm guessing by your convictions you will conclude that they did not speak to the one true God..the height of delusion. Thinking you're special in nature because you read a book and believed it's the word of an infinite...

Yes you need to ask them because a lot of claims are made on behalf of God which in reality it's not from Him.

If reading Bible alone made me believe in God I would've lost believe in God so long BUT THE TESTIMONY I GAVE ABOVE HAS PLANTED MY FEET ON THE SOLID ROCK OF ANCIENT OF DAYS.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Good and evil/bad coexist... It's not a believe. It's a fact! Abi you live in a different planet..? Heaven and hell is a believe, yahweh and lucifer is a believe..your delusion is unbecoming... No wonder atheist dey take una clean ground..

Yes I live in planet Pluto conversing with you right now from planet Utoh a planet from the fifth galaxy to our own galaxy.

I repeat you made to believe the above statements....
so continue to live by it.

Whatever an Atheist like they should do, it doesn't make black white nor white black.

tola9ja: Quran And Biblical Verses That support 5 articles of faith
NoIslam No Paradise
1. Believein oneness of God
Q-41:6
Say {o muhammed S.A.W} I am only a human being
like you.and it revealed tome that your God{ALLAH} is one
therefore take straight path to him
Q-112:1
Say {o muhammed S.A.W} he is ONE
B-mark12:29
Jesus answered ‘’the first is ,’hear,o isreal :the lord our
god,the lord is one
B-deuteronomy6:4
Hear o isreal :the lord our god isone
2. salat(worship)
Q-22:77
O you who have believe bow down and
prostrateyourselves and worship your lord do good things that
you may be successful
Q-29:45
Recite {o muhammed S.A.W} what have beenrevealed
to you of the book{Quran}and perform salat
B-Nehemiah8:4-6
And ezra thescribe stood on a wooden pulpit which they had
made for the purpose; and besidehim stood mattihi’ah
shema,anaiah,uri’ah,hilki’ah and pedai’ah,mish’a-
el,malchi’jahhashum,hashbad’danah,zechariah and meshul’lam
on his left hand and ezra openedthe book in the sitght of all the
people and when he opened it all the peoplestood.ezra blessed
the lord the great God and all the people answered amenamen,
lifting up there hands and bow there heads and worship the
lord withtheir face on the ground
B-numbers 20:6
The moses and aaron went from the presenceof assembly to
the door of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces and
theglorify lord appeared to them
B-genesis 17:3
then Abram fellon his face and god said to him
B-matthew26:39
And going alittle farther he fell on is face and prayed
B-revelation 7:11
And all the angelstood round the throne and round the elders
and the the four living creaturesand they fell on their faces
before the throne and worshipped God saying ameenblessing
and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honour and power
and migthbe to our God for ever end ever Amen
3.Giving Alms to poor{zakat}
Q-9:60
As-sadaqat{zakat} are only for the fuqara{poor}andmiskin
{poor}
B-mark12:41
And he sat downopposite the treasury and watched the
multitude putting money into the treasurymany rich people also
put in large amount
4. fasting in themonth of RAMADAN
Q-2:185
The month oframadan in which was revealed the Quran
aguidiance for mankind and clear proof for the mankind and
guidance and criterionwhoever of you sight the crescent of the
first night of month(ramadan) he mustobserve fast
B-jeremiah 36:9
In the fifth yearof jehoi’akim the son of josi’ah king of judah in
the ninth month all thepeople in jerusalem and people who
came from the cities of judah to jerusalem proclaimeda fast
before the lord
5.Hajj pilgrimageto mecca
Q-3:97
In it are manifest sign the mecca place ofibrahim(abraham)
whoever enter it attain security .and the pilgrimage to meccais
a duty that mankind owes to ALLAH those who can afford the
expenses andwhoever disbeliev(i.e denies hajj prigrimage to
mecca)then he is a disbeliverof ALLAH
then ALLAH standnot in need of any of All mankind wealth
B-isiah2:2
Now it will come about that In thelast days The mountain of the
house of the LORD Will be established as thechief of the
mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the
nationswill stream to it.

Always acting as a programmable computer....garbage in garbage out......

How does this trash answer my post?

GooseBaba: If a traditionalist gives such testimony about God would you embrace it as the work of an infinite being..?

A traditionalist doesn't need to give such testimony about h/her gods because I know they exist.
At least a traditional still believes that supernatural being do exist unlike you that believe in Energy.

This is why atheist mock "GOD"...

Just continue with it....since the time you've been doing, does it erase doubt from your mind?

you all are always eager to explain the work of infinity through supernatural submission.

He who doesn't have supernatural experience won't know that supernatural do exist....Younguz a NLder.

You totally ignore realities. No one is safe from lifes curve ball.

The promise of God for me, my families & friends in above testimony solves your problem.
Mind you it doesn't mean that I won't die again but just to prove His True Existence & Only God.

People give testimonies about God telling them that they and their families are safe from accident or random mishap. But when such befalls them they make excuses. God knows best, he gives he takes, you cannot question God, his ways are not our ways.. Etc.. Opening doors for more mockery...

Ask those people, is it the true God that gave them the promise? because the true God is a covenant keeping God.

When abrahmist stop speaking for an infinite or feeling special, then an atheist will have nothing to question.

If you like continue to question from now till tomorrow it doesn't make God NOT to be God again, you won't be the first or the last.

Good and evil must coexist, life happens..!

As you made to believe.

Oduduwaboy: In what way did God reveal himself to you? i really wanna know .seriously . I have met many who claim to have met god only for them to unravel under close scrutiny; i hope you will not be like one of them.
Eagerly waiting for the epiphany .

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

Oduduwaboy: Most likely you are a pastor.

I'm not a Pastor but a finite being who has experienced supernatural.

Thank you for the detailed response.

You're welcome for being so open-minded to see it.

I do not know your own idea of God;

My first own idea of God isn't different from the way you're viewing it now NOT UNTIL God revealed Himself to me.

My idea of God now is that God is real and everything about Him is true.

but what i was thought from infancy was that we have an ALMIGHTY , omniscient ,omnipotent & omnipresent God who decides ALL affairs of the ' children of men'.

About these attributes of God I will say you're right but ALL affairs of children of men I won't agree with you because SIN (an acronym for Satan's Influence over Nature) has separated man from God.
God has made it known to us that after the incident of Eden Good and Evil have both mixed up BUT there's a tiny machine called CONSCIENCE that can separate these two.

I therefore do not understand how this God can stand aside while the Devil ( another imaginary being ) & his agents wrecks havoc on His handiwork who are ' beautifully and wonderfully made

Me too but I remember in His word He said "For the creature was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY but, by the reason of Him who hath subjected same in HOPE." Rom 8:20

Notice these, NOT WILLINGLY, the bolded & underlined words.

I actually wish there is God but evidences from daily events prove to me time and time again that God is no more than wishful thinking.

Ordinary wishful act can't create God and it will only bring the idea that man created God as Atheist do normally say BUT the fact is that If we should all assume that God truly exists then we should assume also that MAN can't design how this God may be known RATHER it's only Him who can design how MAN will know Him.

I will leave you with this statement from a fellow Nairalander called Younguz "If you have never had supernatural experience you won't believe that supernatural do exist"

I don't think you can do better than me if I had become an Atheist but God helped me even in the sinful life I'm living then by revealing Himself to me.

I am a finite being with a finite mind trying to explain an infinite mind and being of God, so my post is opened to correction but not a bashing.

tola9ja: Matthew21:11 and the crowds said this is the prophet jesus from nazareth of galilee. Mark6:3-4 is not this the carpenter the son of mary and brother of james and joses and judas and simon and are not his sisters here with us? And they took offence at him .and jesus said to them A prophet is not without honour except in his own country and among his own kin and in his own house. Luke24:19 and he said to them what things? And they said to him concerning jesus of na*reth who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before god and all the people

@Bold-You've shot yourself in the legs by agreeing with Bible that Jesus is THE PROPHET Moses said he will be like him.
Remember many Muslim scholars have erroneously attached that prophecy to Muhammad.

5 Facts about Jesus that clearly mention in the Qur'an but Muslims find themselves confused about.

1) The Messiah:- Although Qur'an and Muhammad only know about one Messiah but Muslim objection to this is to go to Holy Bible and say after all Jesus is not the only person called messiah in the Bible.
Christian reply: Yes! we know but both Bible and Qur'an testify that there's only ONE PERSON called THE MESSIAH (Al-Malsah).

2) The Virgin Birth:- To Muslim this is just another supremacy/miracle of God to create whatever He wills by comparing Jesus' birth with Adam & Eve creation.

Firstly, Adam & Eve need to be created that way because no human on earth.

Secondly, the claim will rather show the weaker part of God for given mankind such a sign which can't be verified like THE EMPTY TUMB OF CHRIST. Intact Allah has to used another miracle to make an unbelievers who challenge Mary by making an infant Jesus to speak(according to Qur'an)

Lastly, why would God override His own law after He has put into action the motion of sex.ual reproduction law in the case of Jesus?
The answer can be found in both Qur'an and Bible "The child is Holy and free from inherited a sinful nature of man"

NOTE: To Christian the virgin birth doesn't make Christ the Son of God BUT CHRIST as a Son of God must be born by a Virgin.

3) Sinless:- Both the Bible and the Qur'an attest to sinless life of Christ which TEST OTHER PROPHET NEVER PASS but some Muslim in other to deny this they say Muhammad never sin or anywhere Quran says Muhammad should ask for forgiveness is for Muslim (believers) or some small sin but Qur'an and hadith did mention that Muhammad is a sinner who needs to ask for forgiveness.

4) The word of God:- To Christian (including anti-trinitarian) agreed that Jesus is The Word of God but Muslims objection to this is to say Qur'an only called Jesus "a word of God" not the very word of God.
Why this objection? because Muslims have already claimed Qur'an to be the very word of Allah which they believed it's not created.
But if their claims were true then it means Jesus isn't created and preexisting His birth because some verses and hadith confirmed Jesus to be the very word of God.

5) The Spirit of God:- The rejection to this also similar to number 4 but some verses and hadith also confirmed this about Jesus.

NB:- I didn't quote any verse from Qur'an or hadith or any comment from Muslims commentator because I'll create a thread on this but these are just a summary of it.


Shalom!

Oduduwaboy: Evidence is mounting to support the view that it was a mistake by the Pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country . They confused the passenger jet for a military Ukrainian Jet ! The details are still unfolding.

@Underlined statement,
do you still believe despite the advancement in technology that an aircraft with over 200 passengers can be mistaken for military craft?

What is the size of military craft and that of commercial craft?

Now this deliberate act for SELFISH INTEREST and gain of POLITICAL power, all you can do is to blame God.

Now, why could God not prevent this gory occurence from happening?

Why man in the first place ALWAYS DESIRE TO DO EVIL?

There were 'sinless ' babies on-board . What is the Use of an 'Omniscient & Omnipotent ' God

How do you even know some can sin or sinles
Couldn't the SELFISH man use his only power of intelligence to reason that sinless & innocent soul are the one in air?

who can not prevent terrible but avoidable accidents like this from happening ?

You also agreed that it's an accident, can also agree with me that it's a deliberate act?

He/She must be a totally unethical , immoral and infact an amoral god if he truly exists.

A being who carried out this deliberate act must be a selfish, cruel, having no conscience and value for human life.

My point is to open the eyes of millions once again to the futility of believe in a god who cares for us.

Have you opened your own eyes before open someone else?

Humanity holds the key to its continued existence on this earth.

With this your statement, we can infer that man can continue to be SELFISH, an act that can cause lost of millions souls and properties.

Have ever even looked at a situation like this and asked yourself, why man by nature so selfish?

Maybe your Atheistic life couldn't allow you to reason that way rather than using it as an avenue to criticized God more.

Randomness and probability to a large extent ,direct the course of our lives.

Then why blaming God for what man chooses to do out of his own choice?

tola9ja: christianity is created by a human being

You, Muhammad & Allah seem to be confused. If not why would Allah says "If Christians believe in God and the last day they have reward with Allah"?

If Christianity is a man made, why Allah couldn't says it boldly in the Qur'an?

that is the fact jesus practice islam.

Why you as a Muslim don't Baptise in water as Jesus did?
why you as a Muslim don't prayer to God by lifting up your eyes to the heaven as Jesus always do?
why you as a Muslim don't call God 'FATHER' as Jesus do?

If your answer to these questions is another thing then you've been deceived to believed Jesus practice Islam.

islam is the only religion that will be accept by ALLAH

The way Allah find it difficult to expressed him/her/itself in human language making it/him/her mixed FIRST PERSON PLURAL with THIRD PERSON PLURAL is what affecting you not to know when not to use MODULAR VERB as you used it here.

is it Islam is the only religion that WILL BE accepted by Allah or only religion accepted by Allah?

with a lot of evidence bible and quran

If not because you're confused. which BIBLE AGAIN CONTAINS this evidence, is it the one you said it's not the word of God or the one Muhammad read during his lifetime?

larrymoore: u don't see beyond what ur pastor tells u.

This is how far you can go to answer simple question.

Let me ask you again, Is Allah also an author of confusion about different sect in Islam?

Which sect did Muhammad belong to?