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macof: are u a Jew?

Means.......?

Freksy: If this headboy is uniquely rewarded for his absolute obedience and humility, the question Paul is asking is: which of the students has the school authority EVER rewarded as such? Are they not all students with the responsibility of...? Read Hebrews 1:13-14 and ponder over it.

Very illogical;

The subject of Paul's discussion was about the glorification of Jesus.

Re-read the chapter again you will notice Paul's message was before Jesus as human...verse 6 clearified this with this phrase ".......And again, when he has bringeth the firstborn into the world...." so the statement came before Jesus came into the world.

Imagine how odd it would be if one responds as follows: 'the headboy is not a student'.

Infact He is not even a student but the Dean.

Shalom!

Freksy: Jesus represented his Father. He came in his Father's name and had the assurance that his Father was always with him because he did the things pleasing to his Father.

"I am come in my Father’s name..." - John 5:43; 8:29. KJV

"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him". - John 8:29 KJV

God came representatively. In view of this, Jesus could say: "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; - John 14:9 KJV.

The above role by Jesus qualifies him to be described also as "God's messenger".

Human messengers are called "prophets". Spirit messengers are called "angels".

Therefore, Jesus is both the greatest prophet and the greatest angel - the greatest messenger of God.

Forget about this your jumbo-Jumbo who is Isaiah said his coming and who fulfuilled the promise?

Isaiah didn't say prophet, God's messenger, Angel he simply says "...our GOD"

What you people failed to understand is how to differenciate between Jesus Earthly message and His Divinity.

Clear that verse in Isaiah before you comment again.

Shalom!

Freksy: "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Hebrews 1:5 (KJV)

The above, undoubtedly, confirms that Jesus is an angel.

For which of you nairalander have I said at any time "you are my moderator over religious section....if not Obadiah 777?"

If not because you people lack basic English....what this chapter is saying is totally against Jesus as an Angel.

For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, Thou art my Son(capital letter 'S'), this day have I begotten thee? (big question mark '?'), I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son(Capital letter 'S') KJV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, "you are my Son, today I have become your Father"? or again I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"..ESV & NIV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, you are My Son, today I have begotten you[established you in an official Sonship relation, with kindly dignity]? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He will be to Me a Son?" AMP

At the end of each sentences a question mark was introduced to make the intention of the writer known,
God was asking a question about Sonship which He has never exalted anyone to including angels

Verse 6 gave answer to the question of verse 5 Heb 6 "And again, when HE bringeth in the firstborn into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" KJV&ESV&AMP

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels worship him." NIV.

By this you will know that you people mis-quote Bible because of that little problem.

I pray you people will stop all this nonsence and do the right thing.

Shalom!

@Joagba

You've really tried with this people.

How can they explain this verse in Isaiah 40:3 "KJV:The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
ESV:A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
NIV:A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
AMP:A voice of one who cries: Prepare in the wilderness the way of the Lord [clear away the obstacles]; make straight and smooth in the desert a highway for our God!

The first sentence was fulfilled by John the Baptist. Isaiah made it clear that John will prepare the way for God not Angel. Jesus is the one who fulfilled the last sentence.


Shalom!

edogho: I'm starting 2 lyk dis man.
TG is Trogunn.
If dats not it,wat else cud it b? follow all posts n u'll c dat those who argue d points provided on this thread does so because they think or rather believe in d 3in1 talk.
I ironically said so no vex if u felt offended.
There's nothing like an accurate translation dats y I recommend u think extensively while doing researches buh d holy spirit must b involved o.
Do u agree dat 1Cor 15:27,28 quoted by TG(here I go again)rules out d equality doctrine proposed by 3in1 peeps?

Ok.

Yea I believe in TRINITY but mine is different from other people's perspetive;
Father...God Himself
Son(Jesus/The Word)....Spoken Word of God Himself
Holyspirit....The Spirit of God Himself

These three are one......you can prove me wrong with this claim.

Shalom!

tobechi20: Many Christians are afraid of God. They obey God, and even
say they believe Him, because they are afraid of His "punishment."

They are afraid He will punish them by bringing bad things into
their life, or by taking things away from them. So they live "good"
lives to avoid this "punishment."

Despite the fact that being afraid of God is never the right
motive for obeying Him, Christian teaching has always served to
cement this error into the minds of most people. "Obey God or
go to hell for all eternity," has always been preached, one way
or another. It is so much a part of our religious mentality that to
suggest another motivation for obeying God sounds as if you are
removing all incentive for obedience. Afterall, who obeys God
simply out of love for Him? Sadly, very few of us.

How about u-- are you afraid of God himself? Or do you consider him more someone you can really open up to and be honest with?

I only affraid of God for Whom He is, because He cann't be compared with human in any way. He is far far more than man in a way no one can ever imagine.

Though even Jesus said we should affriad of Him, but I only feel sober whenever I misbehave.

Shalom!

edogho: Maybe u read TG's post with one eye closed (no offense).

Who is TG?

D problem arosed because of d 3in1 doctrine.

Says who?

Even if u read that Mal 3 further u'll c dat most translators do d translating blinded by their own beliefs cos there even the lord is refereed 2 as a messenger so u c d contradiction.

Which one of the translation that is correct?

I'm even sure if they knew a way to remove dat part of 1Corinthians Mr TG quoted,they would've done so.

What now happen since they didn't remove it?

I'll advice u don't dwell on only one translation if u're interested in bible truths.

Then what gave you assurance that I use only one version?

Does arguing here make such arguments because of their dependency on only one translation albeit KJV.* sits back 2 watch *

Is KJV not a Bible or what do you mean?

Shalom!

italo: You sound like Pope Francis.

Lol.....no man!

[quote author=frank3.16]So which one is the gospel of christ since everybody claims his own version is the gospel of christ?

Do realize ur post is inconclusive. Are you advising people to adhere to ur own gospel of Christ? They are trying to tell u that their version is the gospel of christ yet u are saying they should follow the gospel of christ like their is not the gospel of christ[/quote]The purpose of Christ on earth is to redeem everyone from death and gave us everlasting life through His stop which has nothing to do with all debate's topic in my Op.

Though we can still engage in such debate just to have more insight about the word of God but not the extent of neglecting the purpose in which the whole Bible structured.

What exactly do u want the different fractions in christiandom to do?

Preach the dead, resurrection anr the hope of life in Christ and how it's important to our reigning with Him.

Shalom!

italo: Good message. But what will you advice that we Catholics do for unity among believers in Christ?

What is bordering me is the gospel of CHRIST, be it Catholic, Deep life, Olorun shogo parish e.t.c

Let us continue in doing the work that have been committed into our hand. The Gospel of Christ.

Shalom!

FOLYKAZE: The guy is more than embarrassment to himself. He is a yoruba but can hardly speak it. Only enslaved soul will cherish foreign language, culture and belief over it own

Brother Foly ahahaha, I can speak Yoruba but to an extent. Why this nah....lol

Shalom!

Ray McBlue: What's with this Shalom business nowadays, are you a Jew??

Lol...

Yes and no.

Mod pls kindly help my remove the already closed thread by HBG titled "is there any division in Christ? God forbid!"

Shalom!

I've gone through many posts on this forum before I inferred this statement.

Different argument in Christendom can be clearly seen on this forum which has limited the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.

*The Universe is thousands of years old....no no no you're wrong universe is billions of years old. Many scriptures Will be quoted by both parties.

*God created some certain people before Adam.....no no no I disagree with you God only created Adam.

*Jesus didn't preexist His birth....stop that Bro/Sis. Jesus pre-exist His birth.

*Jesus is God......Jesus isn't God

*Christian suppose not to be paying TITHE...
Very big lie Bro/Sis. We need to be paying TITHE

*Jesus is the archangel Michael.....pure delusion Jesus is not.

*Hell and Heaven is real....you're being deceived Hell and Heaven is not real

Note: both paties will be quoting Bible verse by verse.

What can I say? Afterall the scripture cannot be broken.

I descover that it's just a means by which devil is trying to prevent the Gospel of Christ being spread.

Bible is not a book of confussion but a book to edifying and build your spiritual soul.

It is high time we Wake up and do the commandments of our Lord Jesus.

I didn't say is a bad thing to know more about what you have known but let everything be done moderately. Don't thing you know or have insight more than the other person.

Let this mind always be in you; Bible is a Book that you can make it says what ever you want it to say.
But God has made His word known to us and declared them. Everybody want to prove my doctrine is true than yours, is there any division in Christ? God forbid!

Which ever way you view your own interpretation let it be done by glorifying God with it.

The foundation has been laid which is JESUS the SAVIOUR no other foundation can be laid than this but everyone should take heed how he/she built on it.

Let's preach the Gospel of Christ and let's stop promoting religion.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy spirit be with you all.(Amen)


Shalom!

I've gone through many posts on this forum before I inferred this statement.

Different argument in Christendom can be clearly seen on this forum which has limited the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.

*The Universe is thousands of years old....no no no you're wrong universe is billions of years old. Many scriptures Will be quoted by both parties.

*God created some certain people before Adam.....no no no I disagree with you God only created Adam.

*Jesus didn't preexist His birth....stop that Bro/Sis. Jesus pre-exist His birth.

*Jesus is God......Jesus isn't God

*Christian suppose not to be paying TITHE...
Very big lie Bro/Sis. We need to be paying TITHE

*Jesus is the archangel Michael.....pure delusion Jesus is not.

*Hell and Heaven is real....you're being deceived Hell and Heaven is not real

Note: both paties will be quoting Bible verse by verse.

What can I say? Afterall the scripture cannot be broken.

I descover that it's just a means by which devil is trying to prevent the Gospel of Christ being spread.

Bible is not a book of confussion but a book to edifying and build your spiritual soul.

It is high time we Wake up and do the commandments of our Lord Jesus.

I didn't say is a bad thing to know more about what you have known but let everything be done moderately. Don't thing you know or have insight more than the other person.

Let this mind always be in you; Bible is a Book that you can make it says what ever you want it to say.
But God has made His word known to us and declared them. Everybody want to prove my doctrine is true than yours, is there any division in Christ? God forbid!

Which ever way you view your own interpretation let it be done by glorifying God with it.

The foundation has been laid which is JESUS the SAVIOUR no other foundation can be laid than this but everyone should take heed how he/she built on it.

Let's preach the Gospel of Christ and let's stop promoting religion.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy spirit be with you all.(Amen)


Shalom!

edogho: Truly. To me o,na bulls eye u hit. All dis started 4rm d 3in1 talk. 1 cor 15:27,28 just killed it. Weeds are really more than wheat just as Jesus prophesied. Helen ppl dey call demselves Christ ppl Make I sidon dey read again jor.

I know you won't see anything wrong with this post.

I agree with the quote of that Chorithians but what happen to that of Malachi?

Malachi 3:1 "I will send my messenger who shall prepare a way before ME...."

Who is that ME?
Is God that is talking or Jesus?


Shalom!

Romanciella: hez a prophet nd nt a 'god' u xtianx re always making it seem lyk hex d 1 u re pin which ix nt ryt..hex prophet (a.s)...¥m jst saying¥

You're not just saying but it's what your Book says. Op has described how his own Book describes Jesus the saviour.

Shalom!

Freksy: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" John 4:24 KJV

"God is a spirit" = God is invisible to human sight

OPTION "F": That which is invisible.

Depending on the context, "spirit" can also be translated to mean any of the things you earlier listed.

Now that you've chosen option F,

Then the text can read "God an invisible to human eyes, those that worship Him must
worworship him in an invisible to human eyes and in truth" hope I didn't miss the road? Remeber 'is' is not in the original text.

Shalom!

Which one are will not going to see in christedom.....

Imagine some group say Jesus didn't pre-exist His birth.....

Another group His angel Micheal....

Another group He didn't die....

In Rev 12:7 Michael and his angels fought with that dragon....before it was cast out from heaven....and they overcame the dragon(devil).

How did they overcome the devil?

They overcame him by the BLOOD of the LAMB meaning they applied the blood of the lamb....who is this LAMB? Jesus!

Then how Jesus will be Michael?

Apart from this there this verse people always overlook about Jesus.....1Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of Angels (include Micheal) preached unto the gentiles, believed on the world, recieved up into glory." Emphasis added......

Some versions have removed the God @bold, some replaced it with He......but Apostle Paul made it clear that it's a mystery of godliness.

Again God told Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and beside ME there is no saviour(even in angels)." Emphasis added

But I believe we all agreed today that Jesus is the saviour of the world....how come when God said "....beside Him there is no saviour"

People engage much in copy and paste work rather than sitting down and study the word of God.


Shalom!

JMAN05: good. the word was God, not that the word "was THE God". as far as the last God has no definite article, in greek, the two Gods are different.

But you agreed that the word is Jesus, how many God do you know in the Bible?

again. John 1:1 KJV
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
did you notice it says 'the word was WITH God'?

Yes the word was with God because He's the owner of His word.

can you be the same person you are WITH?

My word always with me.
Jesus is the word of God.

of course, the world came into existence THROUGH him. who did it through him?

Hebrews 1:2 KJV
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by (or thru) whom also he made the worlds;

read 1cor. 8:6 for more.

Jesus was the first creation of God, after which God created all things thru him.

Colossians 1:15-16 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Thank God you agree that the worlds was created through Him. Now according to Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" without/by/through anybody....right?

Then, How did God create the world through/by Jesus? I need honest answer with Biblical passage(s).

No need of tearing a clear truth. read between the lines.

I do; just do as you also commanded!


Shalom!

JMAN05: Read above very well.

You people have started again hmmmm

according to you above, you quoted John 1:1 that Jesus was called "the word" but fail to admit the same verse which says "..and the word was God."

If Jesus was called "the word" and the WORD was God and you still claim Jesus was created and His the angel Michael...do you see anything wrong with this statement?

Jesus made it clear that He was before the foundation of the universe....then is angel Michael was before the existence of the universe?

John 1:10 made it clear that Jesus is God...."He(Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by(through) Him(Jesus), and the world knew Him(Jesus) not".

Anti-deity of Jesus should tear this verse in their Bible then I will know you're serious wilthyour claim.

Shalom!

NL member: I'm guessing he touched you with his hand, what part of your body did he touch?

Wrong, all over my body.

Did anything else happen?

I speak in tongues

Did he just walk into your house, extend his hand to touch you then turn around and walk away without saying anything?

My door was locked during my prayer He walked in from the door without open it and I begin to feel His movement toward me. Long story sha....

I really wish you'd stop being so vague and just write everything that happened in details.

i can't now because I'm using phone to chart.


Shalom!

RationalDude: * For what reason did he visit you?
* Was he physically present in the same room as you? (emphasis on the "physically"
It's not enough for you to just say God visited you while you were praying, you have to give more info than that. Thanks.

See Jamb question....lol

I was praying and I invite His presence and God decided to show His presence....that's all.

Not physically alright....I'm using phone now by the time get on system maybe I will explain better.


Shalom!

NL member: No no, don't shalom yet.

What happened during your encounter with god? Did he talk to you? Or touch you?
What did he look like?

Touch

NL member: What happened when god visited you?

Overflow joy in my inner mind continues till now.


Shalom!

God has visited me personally in my room 2005 & 2008 I wasn't in a trance nor dream but while I was praying. Very sweet to experience God's presence than reading Holy Bible only.

Shalom!

bolaino: thanks sire, although I am not saying I am now a christian ooo, but I respect everybody and every's religion,

You're welcome Sir, but I'm not after religion rather after the salvation of your soul. Thank God for that anyway.....

Shalom!

Now you've renounced atheism, ask God to reveal Himself to you as a real evidence of His existence with a pure heart and in faith which I believe He will surely do so.

Heaven rejoices over a soul that repented.


Shalom!

Logicboy03: Lol and you think that the universe is in space?

Space is in the universe.....dont promote ignorance

Brother pls it's time for you to leave your copy and paste work and begin to reason for yourself as a true freethinker.

If universe is not in space, why does it expand?
Going by the way of big bang the point of singularity before explosion occurs, exist where/what hold it?

Another one from LB,


Shalom!

Logicboy03: Show me a real life application of infinity. Infinity does not exist.. Space is finite. That is clear

Is it not you that make this @bold point?

Logicboy03: Fail.......space is limited to the universe in terms of spacetime. The two universe would have different spacetimes. What would bridge the two universes would be wormholes not space.



Infinities are paradoxes. They dont have existence in real life. Only measurements and abstract concepts are infinite.


Your God is infinitely powerful meaning he doesnt exist

See best answers from a freethinker...... Logicboy na wa ooooo