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Mintayo: interesting,i wanted to say that before but i just wanted to hear what you will say next...
it was never recorded in the Bible...
but how come you finish reading t in three days??
Was it on your phone? If yes,where can i download it?

Yes it was on my phone; even the version I read declare that Jesus died but other versions have change the text. Anyway it's another version of Bible sha....re-mix version!

Mintayo: And did you believe that? Did you believe it?

The problem is I couldn't find such miracle from the book they copy it from. I mean Bible!

Mintayo: huh?? Pls elucidate!

It is in the Quran sura 2:259 try to read quran yourself very sweet and

I read the in just three days

The only miracle that was performed by Allah is when Ezekiel died for 100years and Allah raised him up from dead.

macof: Jesus is still alive today , I believe that but so is Sango and all my ancesstors.

Jesus came and died, went back to where he came from. Good point. But that applies for every living entity. We all have duties to play here on earth, we would all definitely go back to where we came from, just like Jesus, whether u believe in the Jew or not, it doesn't matter.

And yes am angry at the use of that word because u rather than use a Hebrew word as ur signature prefix, u should use a word of ur own language

OK Sir I have heard you. ....let's pay attention @Op.....heh

Lol....you're angry because I'm using SHALOM.,.wonder shall never end. Just try to bear it with me pls.


Shalom!

macof: evry religion claims to be eternal, a continuous system of life, even Buddhism dat tries to end reincarnation, rather introduce reinvention. after being reinvented that's still not the end of Buddhism, as long as u have life u most seek knowledge. That's just a point to show that other religions have a more solid claim to eternal existence.

I know sir, but Jesus is still alive today so everything has cleared by me.

And whatu exactly do u people gain by raising urself above other religions? u are just a Jewish slave nothing more but probably something even less. Ur use of "shalom" proves alot

Thanks Sir:

Who am I to raise myself above other religion?
But the truth still remain; Jesus has come and died, and went back to where He was before, it's let for poeple to make their choice.

So using Shalom now is making you angry.....I'm sorry for that but it simply means " Peace"

Shalom!

Uyi Iredia: I ask because usually a belief in God s associated with religion. For a couple of months, I have rejected Christianity and proclaimed deism whilst intent on switching soon to yet another stance for a while. But then, I want to ask everyone in particular Christians and Muslims.

Yea! All started with our Fathers who live right from when human race begins.....I mean religion.

• If your religion (or way of life for Christians Bible reading, praise/worship, Holy Communion etc, for Muslims, Koran reading, Ramadan, tarawijd) died today, would you believe in God ?

Don't be shocked with my point here, if Christianity died today that'd be the end of the world....

Is it compulsory that prophets eg Muhammad (PBUH) or Jesus (The Son of God) must come before we assume a Creator behind Nature ?

People of ages have known God exists but Christ only came to redeem us from death caused by First Man.

What problems do you find with people who disbelieve in organised religion irrespective of stance ?

No problem, I just always praye for them so that God can shine His light on them. Like I always say if not that God has revealed HIMSELF to me I might be the one in position of LB or Ooman today.

answers are welcome.

OK!

Edited (because of answers about Christianity being a 'way of life' and not a religion)

Well to me oooo

Christianity is not even a "way of life" because it limited its everlasting reign (I mean life itself). I will only say you're right when you say is a "way to life etenal".

Way of life to me means a guide on how people should live their life" which many religion practice, and If this is true then the LAWs are Ok then but to God the case is differrent which has made Him sent a SAVIOUR.


Shalom!

lanrexlan: It's up to you.Do you believe God is for all people or Israel alone?

No! after He has created the heaven and the earth He now handed it over to Muslim's God and became God of Abraham, Isaac, and Isreal(Jacob) alone.

Because I see you missed that part. Genesis 1:1

No reply again, because you know Quran can't survive without Bible.

Shalom!

lanrexlan: My good sire,if you remembered what I said what that if we remove some attributes given to God in the bible,then we can come to that conclusion.God should be the Lord of all people and not Israel alone as displayed by some verses of the Bible.....Peace

This is a serious issue....to you now you've given the best reply. Smh

Now that these attributes are still there what will happen?

omonori1: i said that contains a phrase ''marry only one''
what are you saying...by the way you totally quote your bible out of context!!

Did you read and understand the first sentence of that verse? "If any be Blameless...."

Another verse like that is 1 Corin 7:27 "Are thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed......"

So with these verses it's very clear on one wife .

Shalom!

lanrexlan: The biblical god is the god of Israel.
Psalm 106:48 (NIV) -Praise be to the LORD,the God of Israel,from everlasting to everlasting.Let all the people say,Amen! Praise the LORD.

Amos 3:1-2 (NIV) -Hear this word the LORD has spoken against you,O people of Israel--against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt.You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth;therefore I will punish you for all your sins.

2 Chronicles 6:4 (NIV) -Then he said:Praise be to the LORD,the God of Israel,who with his hands has fulfilled what he promised with his mouth to my father David.

Deuteronomy 33:29 (NIV) -Blessed are you, O Israel! Who is like you,a people saved by the LORD? He is your shield and helper and your glorious sword.Your enemies will cower before you,and you will trample down their high places.
But Allah(swt) is the lord of Mankind.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah An-Anbiyaa 21:92 -Truly! This,your Ummah [Religion (Islamic Monotheism)] is one religion,and I am your Lord,therefore worship Me (Alone)
Surah Al-Faitha 1:2 -All the praises and thanks be to Allah,the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind,jinns and all that exists).....Peace

I can't just stop laughing! Were you not the one who spent more than a day arguing that Christian and Muslim are serving the same God?

That Bible prophecy the coming of Muhammad...

God will save us.


Shalom!

Pastor Olu T: I am good my brother, and I believe u are too!
Would really appreciate ur input in this too 'cos of the controversies arising!

Yes; by His grace!
Actually in comparison of Old Covenant and the New Covenant people usually mixed them up. why? because BIBLE was divided into two. Testament/Covenant are the same thing but the whole OT was not centered on Covenant as the name implies; Rather it contains both chronological event of creations, the fall of man, the chosen one, prophecies, laws e.t.c but today what we see is people relating all the written of the OT to LAW (though the OT sometimes refers to as LAW). Apostle Paul said something (I couldn't remember the verse again maybe later) that "the LAW was added for the PROMISE to come".

The question now is; how can we seperate law(s) from other message(s)? what are the importance or purpose of the rest of the message(s)?

The OT have been categorized into four groups namely;
The Torah-The first five books of the Old Testament
The History books-The next 12 books
The Poetical books or, simply, the Writings-The five books that follow the history books
The Prophets--The final 17 books of the Old Testament

Here, the LAW only falls into the category of "Torah & Historical Event" and God purposely added it for the promise to come according to Paul's statement. Then, the poetical & Prophetic Books has something to add to the whole scriptures, meaning their not laws but corrections on the part of people and the next plan of God toward man

I believe by the time we christian begin to view Bible this way then we'll be able to understand the real message the Bible is passing to us.

Shalom!

Freksy: Anyone who is sincere-hearted would know you have not addressed my post. Go through it again and tell me what you have refuted.

"I am come in my Father’s name..." - John 5:43; 8:29. KJV

"And he that sent me is with me ... for I do always those things that please him". - John 8:29 KJV


1. Did God not come representatively?

2. He that represented God, and acted perfectly according to His instructions, and delivered His message to us, can be described as God's messenger, true or false?

I would appreciate it if you answer the above questions.

My first quote of you is to clear that Heb 1:5 which you misinterpreted.
My point here is to clear that Jesus is not an Angel according to the OP. If you want to talk about Jesus being God or not, create another thread.

Hope is clear that Heb 1:5 makes Jesus not an Angel?

Beside I didn't deny your all your quote above.

Shalom!

italo: Oh! You dont even know if the Pope has said exactly what you said. I guess you just dont like to be associated with the CATHOLIC Pope.

Okay, sorry, you sound contrary to the Pope.

Just my view on NL by the way I never heard such a thing from Pope before.

Shalom!

Pastor Olu T: Going over threads and listening to different arguments, I am moved to open this thread. Some believe that we still have to hold on to the law of Moses despite the new covenant, while some say this is not important because we have a new and better covenant.
So this thread is opened to interested parties to come and establish their believes according to the scriptures. This is not to argue but for we all to learn!

pastor how are you doing?

9jadelta: what is logical about living in a fish? how is that even possible ?

A Cninese woman survive miraculously when a big container fell on her car.......To everybody there, anyone inside the car must surely die.

Note: She didn't prepare for it

The thread is still on FP with many pics as evident, How can you explain this?

I know you people always run away from such type of thread

Very soon the whole Bible Itself will soon turn to Allegory by some Body....just wait and see.

Shalom!

macof: just answer my question

No...

but don't derail my point on both Heb 1:5 and Isaiah 40:3 as in my post above.


Shalom!

macof: are u a Jew?

Means.......?

Freksy: If this headboy is uniquely rewarded for his absolute obedience and humility, the question Paul is asking is: which of the students has the school authority EVER rewarded as such? Are they not all students with the responsibility of...? Read Hebrews 1:13-14 and ponder over it.

Very illogical;

The subject of Paul's discussion was about the glorification of Jesus.

Re-read the chapter again you will notice Paul's message was before Jesus as human...verse 6 clearified this with this phrase ".......And again, when he has bringeth the firstborn into the world...." so the statement came before Jesus came into the world.

Imagine how odd it would be if one responds as follows: 'the headboy is not a student'.

Infact He is not even a student but the Dean.

Shalom!

Freksy: Jesus represented his Father. He came in his Father's name and had the assurance that his Father was always with him because he did the things pleasing to his Father.

"I am come in my Father’s name..." - John 5:43; 8:29. KJV

"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him". - John 8:29 KJV

God came representatively. In view of this, Jesus could say: "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; - John 14:9 KJV.

The above role by Jesus qualifies him to be described also as "God's messenger".

Human messengers are called "prophets". Spirit messengers are called "angels".

Therefore, Jesus is both the greatest prophet and the greatest angel - the greatest messenger of God.

Forget about this your jumbo-Jumbo who is Isaiah said his coming and who fulfuilled the promise?

Isaiah didn't say prophet, God's messenger, Angel he simply says "...our GOD"

What you people failed to understand is how to differenciate between Jesus Earthly message and His Divinity.

Clear that verse in Isaiah before you comment again.

Shalom!

Freksy: "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Hebrews 1:5 (KJV)

The above, undoubtedly, confirms that Jesus is an angel.

For which of you nairalander have I said at any time "you are my moderator over religious section....if not Obadiah 777?"

If not because you people lack basic English....what this chapter is saying is totally against Jesus as an Angel.

For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, Thou art my Son(capital letter 'S'), this day have I begotten thee? (big question mark '?'), I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son(Capital letter 'S') KJV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, "you are my Son, today I have become your Father"? or again I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"..ESV & NIV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, you are My Son, today I have begotten you[established you in an official Sonship relation, with kindly dignity]? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He will be to Me a Son?" AMP

At the end of each sentences a question mark was introduced to make the intention of the writer known,
God was asking a question about Sonship which He has never exalted anyone to including angels

Verse 6 gave answer to the question of verse 5 Heb 6 "And again, when HE bringeth in the firstborn into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" KJV&ESV&AMP

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels worship him." NIV.

By this you will know that you people mis-quote Bible because of that little problem.

I pray you people will stop all this nonsence and do the right thing.

Shalom!

@Joagba

You've really tried with this people.

How can they explain this verse in Isaiah 40:3 "KJV:The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
ESV:A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
NIV:A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
AMP:A voice of one who cries: Prepare in the wilderness the way of the Lord [clear away the obstacles]; make straight and smooth in the desert a highway for our God!

The first sentence was fulfilled by John the Baptist. Isaiah made it clear that John will prepare the way for God not Angel. Jesus is the one who fulfilled the last sentence.


Shalom!

edogho: I'm starting 2 lyk dis man.
TG is Trogunn.
If dats not it,wat else cud it b? follow all posts n u'll c dat those who argue d points provided on this thread does so because they think or rather believe in d 3in1 talk.
I ironically said so no vex if u felt offended.
There's nothing like an accurate translation dats y I recommend u think extensively while doing researches buh d holy spirit must b involved o.
Do u agree dat 1Cor 15:27,28 quoted by TG(here I go again)rules out d equality doctrine proposed by 3in1 peeps?

Ok.

Yea I believe in TRINITY but mine is different from other people's perspetive;
Father...God Himself
Son(Jesus/The Word)....Spoken Word of God Himself
Holyspirit....The Spirit of God Himself

These three are one......you can prove me wrong with this claim.

Shalom!

tobechi20: Many Christians are afraid of God. They obey God, and even
say they believe Him, because they are afraid of His "punishment."

They are afraid He will punish them by bringing bad things into
their life, or by taking things away from them. So they live "good"
lives to avoid this "punishment."

Despite the fact that being afraid of God is never the right
motive for obeying Him, Christian teaching has always served to
cement this error into the minds of most people. "Obey God or
go to hell for all eternity," has always been preached, one way
or another. It is so much a part of our religious mentality that to
suggest another motivation for obeying God sounds as if you are
removing all incentive for obedience. Afterall, who obeys God
simply out of love for Him? Sadly, very few of us.

How about u-- are you afraid of God himself? Or do you consider him more someone you can really open up to and be honest with?

I only affraid of God for Whom He is, because He cann't be compared with human in any way. He is far far more than man in a way no one can ever imagine.

Though even Jesus said we should affriad of Him, but I only feel sober whenever I misbehave.

Shalom!

edogho: Maybe u read TG's post with one eye closed (no offense).

Who is TG?

D problem arosed because of d 3in1 doctrine.

Says who?

Even if u read that Mal 3 further u'll c dat most translators do d translating blinded by their own beliefs cos there even the lord is refereed 2 as a messenger so u c d contradiction.

Which one of the translation that is correct?

I'm even sure if they knew a way to remove dat part of 1Corinthians Mr TG quoted,they would've done so.

What now happen since they didn't remove it?

I'll advice u don't dwell on only one translation if u're interested in bible truths.

Then what gave you assurance that I use only one version?

Does arguing here make such arguments because of their dependency on only one translation albeit KJV.* sits back 2 watch *

Is KJV not a Bible or what do you mean?

Shalom!

italo: You sound like Pope Francis.

Lol.....no man!

[quote author=frank3.16]So which one is the gospel of christ since everybody claims his own version is the gospel of christ?

Do realize ur post is inconclusive. Are you advising people to adhere to ur own gospel of Christ? They are trying to tell u that their version is the gospel of christ yet u are saying they should follow the gospel of christ like their is not the gospel of christ[/quote]The purpose of Christ on earth is to redeem everyone from death and gave us everlasting life through His stop which has nothing to do with all debate's topic in my Op.

Though we can still engage in such debate just to have more insight about the word of God but not the extent of neglecting the purpose in which the whole Bible structured.

What exactly do u want the different fractions in christiandom to do?

Preach the dead, resurrection anr the hope of life in Christ and how it's important to our reigning with Him.

Shalom!

italo: Good message. But what will you advice that we Catholics do for unity among believers in Christ?

What is bordering me is the gospel of CHRIST, be it Catholic, Deep life, Olorun shogo parish e.t.c

Let us continue in doing the work that have been committed into our hand. The Gospel of Christ.

Shalom!

FOLYKAZE: The guy is more than embarrassment to himself. He is a yoruba but can hardly speak it. Only enslaved soul will cherish foreign language, culture and belief over it own

Brother Foly ahahaha, I can speak Yoruba but to an extent. Why this nah....lol

Shalom!

Ray McBlue: What's with this Shalom business nowadays, are you a Jew??

Lol...

Yes and no.

Mod pls kindly help my remove the already closed thread by HBG titled "is there any division in Christ? God forbid!"

Shalom!

I've gone through many posts on this forum before I inferred this statement.

Different argument in Christendom can be clearly seen on this forum which has limited the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.

*The Universe is thousands of years old....no no no you're wrong universe is billions of years old. Many scriptures Will be quoted by both parties.

*God created some certain people before Adam.....no no no I disagree with you God only created Adam.

*Jesus didn't preexist His birth....stop that Bro/Sis. Jesus pre-exist His birth.

*Jesus is God......Jesus isn't God

*Christian suppose not to be paying TITHE...
Very big lie Bro/Sis. We need to be paying TITHE

*Jesus is the archangel Michael.....pure delusion Jesus is not.

*Hell and Heaven is real....you're being deceived Hell and Heaven is not real

Note: both paties will be quoting Bible verse by verse.

What can I say? Afterall the scripture cannot be broken.

I descover that it's just a means by which devil is trying to prevent the Gospel of Christ being spread.

Bible is not a book of confussion but a book to edifying and build your spiritual soul.

It is high time we Wake up and do the commandments of our Lord Jesus.

I didn't say is a bad thing to know more about what you have known but let everything be done moderately. Don't thing you know or have insight more than the other person.

Let this mind always be in you; Bible is a Book that you can make it says what ever you want it to say.
But God has made His word known to us and declared them. Everybody want to prove my doctrine is true than yours, is there any division in Christ? God forbid!

Which ever way you view your own interpretation let it be done by glorifying God with it.

The foundation has been laid which is JESUS the SAVIOUR no other foundation can be laid than this but everyone should take heed how he/she built on it.

Let's preach the Gospel of Christ and let's stop promoting religion.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy spirit be with you all.(Amen)


Shalom!