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BERNIMOORE: emphasis here too can be misleading,

the same book of john 17:22, this time verse 20-22 the same glory was extended to believers,

maybe the use of the word glory here means 'unity in purpose'!

so what you mean now is 'Gods utterance word of his mouth' if that is the case that Gods 'utterance word of his mouth only become a flesh in the person of Jesus

then whose word was heard in Very LOUD when jesus was baptised, telling people "This is my Son" and listen to jesus? here is the account,below

before we attach God with a concept 'Omni-potent', is that word 'Omni-potent' ever found in the bible?

yes God is the most powerful but his extents should not be by qualified using words not found in the bible.

BERNIMOORE: like is descriptive or a parrallel, ok jesus himself says this below, not because he is human but has always been loyal to carry out instructions of his father
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

then why should you say that fallen angels are not God sons when bible says they are, see it now;

Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

Jude 1:6-7 “And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, andgoing after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Itsfacts: Emusan go to page 8 and read for insight of the situation Ben put barrister.

BERNIMOORE: he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born
can you see that even before john was born, he was already filled with holy spirit as a messenger

jesus, who do not need to be refilled again with holy spirit-to-serve on earth like john

6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,

Anyway statement of God here is a future reference term with this modal verb 'will' given to Isaiah.

God was talking to Jesus right there in the heaven

No! He was talking to a prophet

Behold! My Servant when jesus was still in the heaven in pre-human spirit form jesus already possesed the holy spirit of service as a servant/messenger while in heaven, see the use of word here..in verse 1;
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles

Explain above.


[quotept]this isaiah in old testament says it all that jesus has been Gods servant from the heaven

what do you have to say about this?

BERNIMOORE: you are including the universe now, lets keep to the world first,

God DID not start his own existence with the beggining of the world,

while jesus always mark his own existence with 'when' or during the 'time' the world's or earth or human's beggining.

'when he streched the mountains, i was there' or 'before abraham was'

are you saying that God will be helpless or miserable without his son?

assumptions on hold for now pls

in 1you told him "help me get a plate of rice with two meats" your Bro will do according to the command received from you so following command does not mean that you are 'sent'? i dont understand

when someone is in a position to issue a command, then the person is in a position of authority, im i correct?

how can a mere 'word of mouth itself' perform a task? that is how i understand it pls

if Gods word is like a messenger here, is it to himself or to another one's authority?

anything here can also include jesus the word himself, did he made himself? i need an answer pls

yes, i agree too with that

Emart: Nice Copy And Paste. Where did you get this article from. Do you believe what you've pasted?

OLAADEGBU: That is correct. As they rightly say: "Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, and the New Testament revealed" but if we really study the OT we will see our Lord Jesus Christ revealed plainly.

BERNIMOORE: was jesus twice beggotten? answer pls

the bible does not tell us that jesus was beggotten twice, if you have a verse that says that, show us now!

his role; he was a servant,

BERNIMOORE: was jesus twice beggotten? answer pls

the bible does not tell us that jesus was beggotten twice, if you have a verse that says that, show us now!

his role; he was a servant,

BERNIMOORE: if the 2nd messenger refers to 'someone who will come' who is jesus, you will agree with me that jesus was still in the heaven when 'the mention of messenger' was used for him. true or false

and let me ask you another question who are angels? can you define and apply it to 1, john humans 2,jesus (still in spirit form) in malachi 3:1.

we have instances when God himself visit humans in the bible, moses for example, and the people of istrealites of old. moses heard Gods voice coming from the fire he remove his sandals because where he stands was declared holy! because of Gods presence.

we also have instances where angels visit humans and were received promtly, in these two instances, will it not be derogatory for paul to use angel to describe his reception like jesus when he should have known that jesus is higher than angels? why does he strikes parrallel with angel and jesus? simply because of something they both shares, ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS by defination, so we have spirit angels and human angels, BUT there is nothing like angelic beign. separate from spirit beigns. and since angel is define messenger, it means the word angel 'is just a task' of either spirit or humans

BERNIMOORE: friend, i believe that we can have wholesome discussion, and we can achieve that by avoiding destractors who if you chech the whole tread they have nothing to contribute than insult, so i have to give it back to their face.

you are welcome, and you can judge for yourself when distractors will be barking

so, before i comment, kindly have a say on these 4 bible verses below, it was not written by me

4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible)

BERNIMOORE: bolded above, how does God beget/begotten or 'born' jesus?

pls read my comment regarding beget in my opening post, was jesus beget through intercouse?

if not then jesus is not begotten by default, angels too exist through the same way that jesus exist.

so angel that appeared to john in the new testament is carrying out his task under law? you are funny, there is NOTHING that concerns spirit angels with humans law covenant, they are servants of God the same way that jesus was a servant.

BERNIMOORE: king james version

Galatians 4:14
. .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. paul directly call jesus 'angel of God' what again?

BERNIMOORE: he was an appointed person like a secretary to the boss thats the role, note that!

where do you see 'the fallen one in the whole bible? why manufacturing things not existing in the bible in the first place? tell me now! if im lying quote a verse that says 'fallen one'

what we have is;fallen angels, NOT Fallen one, do you agree?

through him, and NOT his own volition

he still acts like secretary there following the boss commands

JMAN05: Hellooooo. That they may be in US. It is just like Jesus said the father is in me,

why wont you call that a reconciliation?

You see the double standard I am talking about?

Verse 22 says “that they may be one EVEN AS we are one.

Did you see the clear analogy there? Abeg spare me that double standard.

The word means what Jesus said it is not these your double standard. So it is not longer 3 in 1 but 15 in one or more than that.

View it the way you view others.

JMAN05: just like they were sure in luke 22:70.

just like Jesus compared these oneness to the same thing the disciples will receive? john17:22.

I or another person can equally say so of me and my father, if i look much like him.

these mindset may have led them to find fault with whatever he said so as to implicate him. of course no charge was found in him that could have condemned him to death as pilate said.

he accepted he was God almighty?

a) oh! your translation called it devil?

b) so Jesus is a samaritan since never rejected it.

c) I ask you, did Jesus say "yes I am God almighty"? rather he said I am son of God. that was a direct answer too.

secondly I ve shown you that I and my father are one doesnt prove trinity

as Jesus used similar words to show his disciples that there relationship will be as the one he has with his father, namely by saying they will be one as they are one.

Jesus and so what? of course God created things through his son Jesus. after he was created john1:15.

JMAN05: I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
doesnt that statement indicate that they misunderstood his position?

which clause?

Just like they were sure that Christ means God almighty in luke 22:70?

did he accept it? what did he rather say, I am God almighty or Son of God?

the analogy does not match. find a positive one. however, he never said I have no devil.

no. neither was Jesus the literal word of God.

Lol. I await your double standard. whatever you say shall be compared with what Jesus said at John 10:30.

JMAN05: when he said he and his father are one, he was not stating oneness in personality or equality.

this is being one in agreement and working for a purpose,

just like Paul said that 'he that planted and he that watered are one'.

BERNIMOORE: Im not arguing against jesus pre-existence brother, i believed that he pre-exist before coming to the earth among to be among 'the spirit sons of God' as the first of them, the question you should now answer is that;

are angels 'sons of God'?

kinguwem: That is your own minority opinion. I doubt the relevance of OBJ in modern day politics. The situation in Ogun State refers. The best he did was to collect power from his masters. He wants to return power back to the caterpillars. He will not succeed.

JMAN05: Yes. if i work in agreement with my father, I can say that we are one.

I can even say that if you ve seen my father, you have seen me cos we work for the same purpose and he has entrusted me with the privilege of representing him.

again, those jews are just laying unreasonable accusation of what Jesus didnt say.

Jesus asked them why they accused him of blasphemy when he said he was God's son NOT God almighty.

cant you see that in that verse?

when he said he and his father are one, he was not stating oneness in personality or equality.

now was Jesus stating the obvious 15 persons in one at john 17:21-22

FOLYKAZE: Anything that makes you feel good....do it

lol....thats where religion comes in.... Talking God, angry, happy, love, walk, rest, hate, eat....or about pooing? Im sorry to say......that depiction of God is an invention from man's mind

Did I tell you I do?

Lol......in a debate or lab?

Food chain.....life is all about survival and fitness.....how about me eaten up, Is it allow too? Either by strong man or animal or maggots?

Are you creating your own theology or following what in bible?

Your choice......Ecclesiastes 3:19-22 says otherwise

It good to know you yoruba (you might trash Omo odua).

FOLYKAZE: Nothing like backside here. It face to face according to Exodus. Here is it
Exodus 33:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

You quote john 14:23 which state clearly that those that follow Jesus love him and keep his commandment.....the person will be love by God and see God.

Many of Jesus commandment and rule dont tally with Moses law and action but moses saw God face to face

FOLYKAZE: We cant agree on everything. Thats why I see this as fun.

Nothing to argue here....we can only make things clearer for ourselves.

[b]God is the totality of force and energy in the universe. Energy is God......God is Energy

Are you kidding me? You mean I need some scientist or group of people to tell me this is A before i agree it A?

Bro...from the least I know, no evidence for afterlife

The same way I kill my chicken for christmas and eat it delicious flesh

I didn't see it ghost hunting me or returning to life.

Your bible said....animal and human are the same.

If Random could make me clearer...it will be good. Which thread was that?

anything else from disbelief or absence of belief in god.

Ire o

FOLYKAZE: If your bible should help....are you going to accept it?

""There is time for everything.....time to live and time to die. Out of the dust man came and dust man returns. Every man struggle is just chasing of wind...all is vanity.

I know my fate...that in the future, I will die and cease to exist.

The best I can do is write my name in history and give it a surviving force for generations.

To deal with your question.......I didn't choose to leave that state

I was lucky among my billions mate when old man do that thing.

It was there choice not mine.

So I got here

like the bible said, I enjoy meal, drinks, anoint my head and love my girly cuz thats man portion.

hisblud: thanks for replying. In order words, 'spirit' can mean any of the above depending on context abi?

FOLYKAZE: God appeared to Moses....face to face. Yes or No?

FOLYKAZE: I will live forever in the state of non-consciousness and non-existence.

I was in that state billions of years ago...i will be happy to return to it

FOLYKAZE: How is it hard for your omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God to appear in the sky and show himself to mankind.

This will stop controversy and doubt about his/her existence once and for all.

If you ignore this and want to stick to your OP......it completely indicates that God is idea created by feeble mind

ebamma: To the religious folks in the house,
what if after all the millions of naira tithes you paid, millions in offerings in church, prayers day and night, then you come to the realisation that judgement day will never come to know whether u are going to heaven or to hell cos there is no God, how will you feel?