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bilms: HOW TO BRIDGE RELIGIOUS DIVIDE

nice point!

I as a christian I don't talk about Islam or argue with them because I grew up in SW even have Muslim as friends not just about two Months ago, simply because when I saw the way there're twisting the Word of God. So I just tried to show them the light not propably arguing, which I have decided to stop this day.

I as a Christian, i believe Jesus is the lord and savior, he his the son of God, he died on the cross of Calvary for my sins, he his the truth and the way. You as a Muslim should understand this simple faith and accept me and my Christian faith,my believe and my God.

No offence ooo, with my little research here and on Islam world wide no Muslim will ever agree this above statement with, why?

Just because their BOOK Quran is totally false on them which we all know.

The argument comes when you try to let them know that all the above statement are true about Jesus, but they purposely opposed it because once they accept it their Book if wrong.

In conclusion, I'll just say we should continue to preach the Gospel of Christ not by arguement just say your mind base on the scriptures without adding your own personal view which has caused many set back to the Gospel of Christ today and we should stop promoting religion-christianity.

Shalom!

benalvino: bro we have gone through this before.. it will be another endless one

You're right sir, imagine Frosbel think Jesus is an angel lol.. Whom Angels themself are worship.

mahdino: Pls talk with reason, i said Jesus kept beards like the muslims cos if God want him to shave he could have tell him or are u saying that there is no barber at the time of Jesus that is why he did not shave?

There's know barber stop exposing your ignorance here. That's why I said all ancient people NOT ONLY JESUS Mahdino kept there're beards. After AD when civilization begins to show face is Muhammad used to trim his hair and beards. From Adam - to AD they don't cut nor trim hair and beards hmmmm.

U keep talking of the will of God did u know all the prophets of God taught salvation @ there own time.

Very wrong of you! They all prophesy the coming of Messiah (salvation through one man JESUS.) and taught poeple the way of God only not salvation

Whatever u leave for God to decide for u is his will and all the prophet there has never been a time that they taught that someone will carry your burden,

Even Jesus Himself said Moses wrote about Him, how come? Then you will know that from Genesis to Malachi all prophesied the birth, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus. It doesn't just happen overtime.

they taught believe in one God and practice righteousness that has remain the will of God.

So far you can't show me the will of God in Quran, how are you sure you're saved? Just asking sha!
All what you put up there are not the will of God concerning man.

The first time the so called idea of the inherited sin came was Roman myths, pls read history long before christianity.

Thanks for the advice.

The book of Eziekel 18:20 say the soul that sin he shall die, the father will carry the iniquity of the son nor shall the son carry the iniquity of the father.

Then who says the above is wrong? You need to update your understand about God Himself.

It is Paul that brought up the Roman ideology that Jesus die for your sin.

Whta about the prophecy of Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, Moses e.t.c do you also say their wrong?

What a nonsencecical idea that the most loving God was offended billions of years without our knowledge and imagine that the God u call most loving cannot forgive one man but duplicate the sin

This's how shallow your brain is, you think God duplicated sin mahdino,,SMH

and castigate everybody but has to shed the blood of someone, u call that loving?

What you don't know is "without shelding of blood there's no remission" and God didn't do that with someone but His only begotten Son.

That is shylock, blood thirst.

Not only you will say this. But remember we are serving the same God right?

Even a dog can forgive and forget when u beat him.

How sure are you?

What is wrong with u? Think man.

Nothing Sir, just ask yourself; how confuse am I?

For u to get salvation keep that laws and commandments.

Is that what Quran teaches? If yes, what is salvation then and show me verse that support your claim?

Many question are being asked in this post failure to attempt them all may result to no reply.

Shalom!

mahdino: People can say what they want to say, saying islam is fake is just your wishful thinking.

Did I response to the Op or your fallacious statement?

Whether the Jew started circumcision or not, I am just trying to tell u that all religion that came from God practice it.

Who started it and who copy each other? By saying all religion do circumcised is a pure lie go and read history my brother.

Who told u that the Jew is the name of Moses religion?

Judaism is the religion of Old Jews.

U are talking about ancient people keep beards, that is how God wanted them to dress it.

Infact I can't stop laughing at you. If God wanted it that way why you mahdino don't leave it as theirs? You barber you hair but trim the beards, what a confuse state.

Do u think that at the time of Jesus there was no barber?

Another lie, what is the meaning of civilization and when did it start? You need to go back on history man!

I told Jesus submit his will to God, the will of God is to save his prophet,

I don't think you reason before you type, no offence ooo. If the will of God is to save his prophet, how many prophet of God that didn't taste death?

if God did not want to save Jesus he would not have given him the chance to pray to save him.

Likewise He won't have given them chance to arrest Him.

I thought u said he will come and willing die without defence, why did he prepare self defence and told his diciples to come with sword and guard him?

If you need sunday school teacher on that tell me.
There're many way you've tried to prove the death of Jesus wrong but alll in vain.

Jesus belives in only one God , but know u say 3 in 1. U are lying.

Well if Trinity is your problem that's for you because all christians believe in only one God. But a powerful God who can manifest Himself in different ways as we seen in the universe because things that we seen were not made from things that do appear.

What I understand is that u did not know the meaning of a muslim. The meaning of a muslim in arabic is someone who submits his will to God, so count them Noah, Abraham, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad all of them we respect and revere them cos they all practice the same religion of One God and we are sent (messenger) by one true God.

If Islam is the submition to will of God, what does the Quran says about the will of God?

You said in one post that the "will of God is to obey his commandment and to have success in this life and the life to come" which I have debunked.

frosbel: Okay ,let me agree with you for the benefit of doubt that Jesus Pre-existed , answer this simple question !

- How many spirits did he have when he came as a MAN

Moring Mr. Frosbel, hope you see my post to your questions above?

Shalom!

Ref: Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

frosbel: 1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist

Jesus is the spoken-word of God! He begins to exist when God said "Let there be...." that's why John said In the beginning (when Time starts) was the WORD", this's the major reason why Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creations.

Imagine Frosbel was with his J.Brother and he said to him "go and get me water". Your Bro. will do according to your instruction(the word that come from your mouth). Now let assume your Bro. is not there and you need water, then you pronounce "water in a cup, come!" without move an inche, and suddenly a cup filled with water appeared as you commanded.
Then you will realise that you only issue a command but something carried out the action.
Let's assume you didn't talk to your Brother or speak to air, what will happen? Nothing will happen!

That's why John said "..and without him(The Word) was not any thing made that was made."

Some verses will say GOD created the worlds(Gen 1:1) also some will say the WORD created it(Heb 11:3). Do they contradict themselves? No! because God only issue a command and the WORD(Jesus) carries out the action. Without command no action, so God is the one who created the universe by is Word(Jesus)

Jesus made it clear that "the Son can do nothing except being given by the Father" just because if God didn't speak nothing will happen.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."
In this verse Jesus proceeded and came from God and He was sent by God, how? because the WORD proceeds from God as God sent(given instruction). Jesus also said John 14:11 "Believe me(The image of invisible God) that I(The WORD) am [is] in the Father(Holyspirit), and the Father(Holyspirit) in me(The image of invisible God):.."

Jesus also said "I and my Father are one" Just because nobody can seperate your word from you.
That's why John said "...and the Word was God...."

More to say about Jesus as the spoken-word of God.

2. What connection is there between the pre-existence of Jesus and our salvation

The simple answer to this question is, since Jesus(The word) only carried out actions from God's commandment and He is the life of every men. So God send the same WORD to perfect what It started from beginning.

3. how do you relate his pre-existence to Isaiah 11:10 and Romans 15:12

You can only get this right by looking at the origin of Jesus. Angel visited Mary and told her that Holyspirit will come upon her. In general agreement we know that Holyspirit didn't sleep with Mary, then what Holyspirit did when It came upon her? Holyspirit only came and spake a WORD, how do we know this? John 1:14 gave us the answer "And the Word was made flesh,...." So after Holyspirit spake the WORD according the BOLDED Ref above "..so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" in case of Jesus "The thing we seen(Jesus) was not made of thing we know(sperma) that's why Jesus' birth was a miracle. Now when The WORD was made flesh to come in blood and water 1John 5:6 It must surely come from a descendant which is the root of Jesse.

John couldn't make a mistake when he said "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three(plural) are one(singular)."

Jesus Himself comfirmed this statement before He died "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we(singular personal pronouns as one) will come unto him, and make our(singular possesive adjectives as many 'The Father, The Holyspirit, and The Word(Jesus)' abode with him."

Question from the above verse should be, why three person will make abode inside a man? Simply because The Word(Jesus) is inside the Holyspirit.

My point here might be ignored but Jesus still remains the Spoken word of GOD, and It was The Word that carried out the operations of the creations.

Jesus will remain "only begotten Son of God" untill God cease to speak. Remember will only gave this WORD name when It became Flesh. Jesus said "I'm going to my Father," that is, the Word is returning back to the owner.

Shalom!

mahdino: Read above my last post u attend to answer

No question there I only tried to replied your post. If you know you can't paste your question(s) here then, keep it to yourself.

Shalom!

These are the type of question I'm expecting from @Frosbel his like since.

frosbel: My first few questions to Enigma and indeed the house are :
1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist
2. What connection is there between the pre-existence of Jesus and our salvation
3. how do you relate his pre-existence to Isaiah 11:10 and Romans 15:12


Please respond point by point, haphazard replies will be ignored.

Thanks.

Give details when I get home.

Pastor Olu T: @Emusan rightly said.
Good morning bro, I will want to believe ur week has been going smoothly.

Thanks! Yea by His grace and you also?

Here we are again on pre-existence of Jesus Christ, like @Pastor T has said "No true Christian would ever say Jesus was an angel, and if any does it shows his/her ignorance."

Jesus Himself comfronted people about His pre-existence: John 6:62 "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"

John the Baptist also made it clear in two different occasions: John 1:15 "15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."

John 1:30 "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

I believe we all know that John the Baptist was born before Jesus, how come he said Jesus was before him?

Who this verse John 1:10 is talking about Yehweh or Yeshua?

John 1:10 "10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."

I think the question you should ask yourself is, who Jesus is when He was in heaven?
Shalom!

Yooguyz: the empowerment of the holy ghost is wat distinguishs a 'man of God' from a 'pastor'
'witnessing' from 'preaching'

You're right! The shameful part of it is that majority of Christians today don't seek for this empowerment of the Holyghost instead they fast and pray for success and prosperity; good as those things are but it can't bring the power of God down.

@Op, nice write up!

I pray the power of evangelism will come upon us IJN. Amen!

mahdino: Emusan, you have not answered, u are cutting my talk and delibrately fumbling around.

What was your question sir?

frosbel: ^^^^^


Jesus is definitely not GOD.

MKO has done enough justice for making all his statement from Bible unlike FROSBEL doing copy and paste.

all the fact above is it true or false?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]HIS word-SON Jesus[/quote]God bless you for this point, this is what most people including some Christians don't know about Jesus.

mahdino: Hey boy, u don't know what u are talking about. Don't u know that Jesus wash his hands head and feet just like a muslim,

You're still spreading this your false teaching.

he fell on his face to pray to God just like a muslim,

Were you there? See how Jesus said we should pray Matt 6:9 why don't you pray in that way but chose only His style of praying?

he was circumsied just like a muslim,

Is it Muslims that start circumcision or Jews?

he keep beards just like a muslim,

This is to show you how brainwash you are, all ancients people kept their beards and not even beards including their hairs I will take you serious if you leave your hair uncut together with your beards. Beside you kept your beards as ancient style not like Jesus...hmmmm

he submit his will to God just like a muslim,

But you claim He didn't; when you said He prayed to God so that He won't die and God send Him angels and delivered Him (meaning Jesus's will exceeded God's will). If you now agree He submited to the will of God, but the will of God is for Jesus to sheld His blood(died). So you agree Jesus died now?

he said there is only one God just like a muslim

Who else claim multiple gods?

and he said for u to get salvation just believe that there is only one God and him the messenger of God (John 17:3),

Now do you believe in Jesus?

JESUS IS A MUSLIM.

What is the meaning Muslim?
When Jesus was born and died 600years before Islam..lol

Keep deluding yourself.

I have told you to stop chasing the shadow of religion and seek for salvation of your soul which have been concealed only in Jesus blood for everyone to be reconcile to God Almighty because there is NO other NAME given to man under the sun to be saved than the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Shalom!

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I didn't know how I skipped this your statement, I just sighted it now.

Frank4YAHWEH: When Yahshua said "Before Abraham was, I am.", he was speaking of his pre-eminence to Abraham.

This is what I call pure lies. Hmmm!

He was answering their question "Are you greater than our father Abraham." They most certainly did not like his answer in making it known that he was greater than Abraham!

See what cause the question and His reply to their question;

John 8:51-59 "51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Now! Key point from 51-59:

*Jesus said no death for anyone who kept is words.
*They said Jesus hath devil
*Are you greater than our Father Abraham?

Jesus answers is very clear here:

from verse 56-58, NOTE: added word in black color

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced (rejoiced-past tense) to see my day: and he saw it, (saw-past tense) and was glad. The past tense indicates that the action was happened in the past not a FUTURE tense. This action might happen either when Abraham was on earth or after his death.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

How will Abraham saw Jesus' day when Jesus didn't pre-exist His brith?

If Abraham was born before Jesus, why Jesus make such statement "before Abraham was, I Am"?

Jesus Himself asked people question about His pre-existence, John 6:62 "...see the son of man ascend to where He was before?"

John the baptist also testify of His pre-existence in two different occasions: John 1:15 "John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."

Also; John 1:30 "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

Did John also speak in figurative here? He made it clear that Jesus was before him but John was born before Jesus.

Shalom!

mahdino: Emusan, u see what ever I tell u or explain to u, its only when u reason with good heart and seek for the truth.

Which truth? When Jesus said He is the way, The TRUTH, and the life. I can't just stop laughing.....

The teaching you're following never promise such thing as above true or false?

U have already rule out Islam and u are made to understand that it is a wrong religion,

So far now Man that has ever passed through the surface of this earth and make such statement with certainty, which I've confirmed....well anybody's teaching is false!!! Beside I don't practice religion Jesus Christ is never a religious person.

in that kind of situation u can never get it right.

I'm only try to let you see the light I'm not promoting Christ or religion, so is you choice afterall we shall all stand before Christ on judgement day parent won't stand for their children, brother won't stand for brothers e.t.c

Well all that I have been preaching to u is not from the quran but from what u believe the bible

You're right but not what the Bible says that you're preaching.

reaching an extent that I analyse what Jesus says emphasizing on it,

You and your brethens have been twisting the word of God not what It really means.

but still u argue and call me names,

Please what name did I call you?
I argue because you misinterprete the Bible to suit yourself and your believe.

u are a pratical testimony to what Jesus said "Seeing they see not hearing they hear not neither do they understand"

Well thanks for that but how I wish you could reason who the statement above is referring to?

people believe in what they want to believe. U said u asked me thy will of God? The will of the father is to worship him so we can all attain success in this life and next.

How can you worship the Father?

This is my point of replying your post since all this while because it's unclear point you need Jesus for. The will of God is not to attain success if that's your burden. God's will is for us to be free from death and have a perfect life, where there'll be no more sorrow, sickness, disaster(which it calls RECONCILLATION--God reconciles us to Himself through is only begotten Son Jesus "there's no other names given to man under the sun to save than Jesus' name)...this is where SALVATION play the vital role. The question I will ask you now is, how can someone obtain salvation?

Do u know Jesus said I speak not my own will but the will of the father that sent me,

Yea, that's the major reason you shouldn't believe another teaching except Jesus' teaching because He came from God, He didn't receive message from angel or anybody.

so definately when he said verily, verily i said unto u except u righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the u can by no means enter the kingdom of God.

He also said those that believe in Him will not pearch but have everlasting LIFE. Which I'm pleading you to seak and forget religion issue.

That is the will of God and salvation,

No read Bible very well.

now how can u be better than the Jew if u don't keep the laws and commandments?

The letters killeth but the spirit lives forever...so Jesus has abolished the laws..only if you can ask how?

If keeping the commandments is not salvation

No salvation can be obatined through commandent.

will Jesus emphasize on keeping it,

He didn't read Bible very well.

he said not even a jot should be left out (not even a word should be left out) but know u have thrown away the whole commandments.

Yea, you should've believe Him for this statement.

Are u not wicked for throwing away what Jesus said u should keep?

Well if you think I am no problem but I didn't.

Iniquity indeed u are.

Hmmmm........Thou shall not Judge......


Shalom!

mahdino: Thank God that u know how some people can go agaisnt there religious books, so pls let's not judge Islam by the way some people behave cos as long as we have bad muslims we have bad christians.

Waoooo Mahdino is reason well now.

On a serious note we are not expecting prophet Isa (as) to come and correct or add anything, he is coming to clear himself about the lies been said on him. If u read in the bible Matt: 7:22, when he come in his second coming the christians will go to him saying lord, lord, we have prophesied in ur name and do many mighty works (e.g built schools, hospitals e.t.c) and Jesus will tell them u useless people go away from here I don't even know u.

It's not new the way you & your brethens have been twisting the Word of God, but see the detail of where you quote: Matt 7:20-24 "20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his houseupon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mahdino you're hearing the word of Yeshua but what are you doing about it? I have asked you in one thread but you couldn't give a specific answer, let me ask you again; what is the will of God?

Ask youselves why will he say that to u? Its because u have left his teachings,

See pure lies, it's because their works is full of iniquity.

he said if u want salvation do the laws and the commandments (Matt: 5:17) but someone has come to divert u from the straight path, who is the master?

God will surely have mercy on you, see what the verse you mention above is talking about: Matt 5:17 "17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

how does the above relate to salvation? Hmmmm

Frank4YAHWEH: No you don't! I agree with his being the firstborn of all creation in that he was the firstborn from the dead. You do not!

Being the firstborn of all creation in that because He was the firstborn from dead, does it make any sense to you? Why Jesus is the beginning and the end?

And your wrong! You actually agree with all that I said as follows?:
"This is speaking specifically of him being the first resurrected from the dead, since this is what the word 'resurrection' means, being brought back from being dead. FATHER Yahweh was not brought back from being dead, but it was His SON whom FATHER Yahweh redeemed from being dead."

Well I said I agree because you said Father Yehweh was not the one His blood was sheld but His Son which is the basic of asking you that question.

You do not like my answer?

I agreed as par the above.

Scripture as a whole will decide for me who the rest of this verse is speaking of, not you!

Then how was you taught to be using BASIC ENGLISH in your passage? because you've neglected the principles of English to made this statement. Stop deluding yourself by calling dog a monkey.

Yes, looks like a figureative statement to me!

Now it is "it looks like" Lol....
Just look at the way you yourself was twisting the scriptures. Like I said the whole words of Yeshua will soon be turn to figurative by @Frank.

I object to your false presentation of this verse!

Let me help you again in that my previous analyses,

Colo 1:14-18 "In whom we have redemption through his blood even the forgiveness of sins "Who is the image of the invisible God the firstborn of every creature "For by whom were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth visible and invisible whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created by whom and for whom "And who is before all things and by whom all things consist "And who is the head of the body the church who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead that in all things who might have the preeminence.

Active Voice:- who/he/Frank threw the ball.

Passive voice:- The ball was thrown by whom/him/Frank.
So the whole verses above was directed to whom/Him/Yeshua

Your question does not even make sense, so how am I supposed to give a consise answer to it?

With my expression above I know the question will make non sense to you because you just don't want to accept the truth.

Frank4YAHWEH: Yes, he is!

I agreed.

And your reason for asking this?

That Jesus is the power of God!

This is speaking specifically of him being the first resurrected from the dead, since this is what the word 'resurrection' means, being brought back from being dead. FATHER Yahweh was not brought back from being dead, but it was His SON whom FATHER Yahweh redeemed from being dead.

Ok! You're right.

No!

No as what, Yehweh or Yeshua?
Remember whosoever you chose is the rest of the verse is talking about, According to Whom=Him & Who=He rules as explained above by this poster

Yahshua also spoke in a figrative sense and in parables (illustrations).

This's the problem you people have, does that verse look like figurative statement or direct statement?

Very soon I know the whole words of Yewhew and Yeshua will be turn to a figurative speech by people who fails to open their heart to the truth.

You don't have any objection to the verse rather you resolted to figurative.

No, people are directed to the truth of what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS in that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of FATHER Yahweh and not FATHER Yahweh ["God"] as many deceptively teach.

Just give me a concise answer to my question, of that verse 14, is the blood of Yehweh or Yeshua was sheld for our sins?

God with Us.....Emmanuel....Yeshua

Frank4YAHWEH: Yahshua is the firstborn of all creation from the dead, not first born at the beginning of creation.

He is the first born of All creations.

No, All things were created "because of", on account of' or "for" Yahshua, not "by' and "through" him.

"The worlds was framed by the word of God" can anyone seperate your word from you?

Nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you find Yahshua proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING!

He didn't, even when He said before Abraham was, I am. They want to kill Him.

You mean to tell me you set yourself up as knowing the meaning of what Scripture says, but you do not know what Scripture means when it says that Yahshua is the firstborn from the dead? You may know the meaning of your "Church" doctrine, but you definately do not know the meaning of Scripture!

What I need has been explained. Yeshua is the firstborn from dead! Is it He was the first person to died and go to heaven or resurrected?

One need not be a pre-existent being to be the firstborn of all creation to be born from the dead!

Answer my question above!

Where you have it wrong is in who is our Creator.

See @frank oooo oh my God, I simply explained how you twisted the above verse yet you're claiming who is the creator? Yes God is the creator....I will ask you again according to that verse 14" In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"---who His blood was sheld for our sins, Yahweh or Yeshua?.... Know that the person you chose is the rest of the verse was talking about......

It is FATHER Yahweh, not His SON Yahshua. This passage speaks of FATHER Yahweh as our Creator, not His SON!

Is the Father Yahweh's blood was sheld for man's sins?

No, I have not ignored this, since I have been asked about it many times here and have given answer to it.

Yahshua Came Down From Heaven
http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/708052764/yahshua-came-down-from-heaven

I have gone through your site but what you're really talking about is "coming down from heaven as a phrase or figure of speech" which is totally different from what Jesus said in John 6:62 "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"

NOTICE the phrase "...Where he was before.." (not where He came from) why can't you just open your heart once to accept the truth?

Many people who doesn't read their Bible would have been misleaded through your site.

God help us all!

mahdino: That is why I said islam is pratical. If the Quran said A and any other person or sect said Z you know that it is A that you follow cos it is God's word and cannot be change

Imagine, Mahdino and co always form as if Islam is one.

Follow God's word, if I may ask is it God's word or voice of angel?

Now you're claiming that people say shouldn't be accepted, isn't it in Quran that you should fight for Allah?

but not like the christian where everybody claims to have the spirit which cannot be verified,

This is the major point that Muslims lack, who says Holyspirit can not be verified? Why can't you give it a try?

I also told u that with all the sect why is it that all the muslims in every corner on earth belives in There is only one God and Mohammad (saw) his messenger.

Our God is one! Don't you know that? I know because you're confuse with the issue of Trinity you think some christians claim three Gods.
Well that's your unverified issue, because even coming together of Husband and wife to become one is a mystery for you. Read REVELATION 5 (I won't quote the verse) you will see where SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD was written. Imagine seven spirits(plural) of God(singular).

Keep promoting religion, my dear seek for salvation. No religions in heaven.

Shalom!

Frank4YAHWEH: "FATHER Yahweh's SON is the FIRSTBORN of all creation, not FATHER Yahweh!

You're right! That's what I'm emphasing on, "FIRSTBORN of all creation" this phrase has ended all the argument about Yeshua... How can someone be called FIRSTBORN, if the person doesn't exist before others?

FATHER Yahweh is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM, not His SON Yahshua!

Through Yeshua!

Yahshua is the FIRSTBORN from the dead,

What do you mean by this?

Well, it it is obvious that I did not fail to make known that Yahshua is the firstborn and in turn it is quite obvious that you are a liar!

How can Yeshua claim the FIRSTBORN of all creation, if He doesn't exist before His birth?

FYI, your remarks concerning punctuation are moot, since there is no punctuation in Hebrew and Greek.

Ok I agree with you. But my Whom=Him is right because you ignored it?

By removing all the puntuations mark from verse 14-18, let's see how it goes by replacing 'Whom=Him & Who=He'

Colo 1:14-18 "In whom we have redemption through his blood even the forgiveness of sins "Who is the image of the invisible God the firstborn of every creature "For by whom were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth visible and invisible whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created by whom and for whom "And who is before all things and by whom all things consist "And who is the head of the body the church who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead that in all things who might have the preeminence.

Where you got it wrong is when you're switching from 'Whom to Who' whereas Whom & Who are referring to the same person.

Who:- is used as the subject of a sentence or phrase, to denote who is doing something (like he or she). While!

Whom:- is used as the object of a verb, to denote who has something done to it (like him or her). While a preposition(at, by, for, in, with, etc.) often comes before "whom", Whom is in form of speaking in a Passive voice not Active voice.

I made mention about Matt 6:62 which says "What and if ye shall see the son of man(Yeshua) ascend up WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?" but you ignored it, why?

Shalom!

We are back again this season....Oh God of Heaven! Give me the grace to watch just up to five matches this season.....amen!



Up UNITED!!!

mahdino: Pls try and study about the spirit of truth Mohammad (saw)

What you or other Muslim may fail to know is this, I'm not promoting personality of Jesus Christ but His earthly purpose even Jesus didn't honour Himself, this is what I understand about Him of recent.

John 5:34 "but I receive not testimony from MAN: but these things I say, that ye MIGHT BE SAVED."

41 "I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

So my dear Mahdino I'm not promoting Christianity but preaching the Gospel of Christ to fulfill His second coming.

Matt 24: 14 "And this gospel of the kindgom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come"

Shalom!

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As a constructionist no a single lie in your post. I believe also you're among us!

anshul1: Hi to all in this forum am actually new here and my birth date is march 23 .any one?

Hi new comer, ehyah.....I senior you with just 14days sha...mine is 9th. Lol

mahdino: Bros I don't know why you guys don't want to follow Jesus. Why won't u greet me the way Jesus did? When he came to the upper he said shalom alekum meaning peace be unto u.

Lol...Shalom (Greek-peace) ...alekum(arabic-unto you)....Well Jesus said peace be unto you but not in arabic way....'Alafia fun oo(yoruba version)'...unto you is not alekum in greek.

Why do u have to say what people are saying (in the name of your lord) did Jesus taught u that?

Yes!

That is all we are saying the way he greet, the way he wash his hands, face and feet, the way he fall on his face to pray to God,

As if Mahdino was there! Why can't you pray the way He taught us to pray? Matt 6:9

the way he kept his beards,

Is it the only person? All ancient people did so i.e Abraham, Moses, Noah, all his Desciples, Mohammad e.t.c so you kept your beards like ancient people not like Jesus. Huhmm

the way he said u should keep the commandments, e.t.c that's all we are saying. We are not the anti christ,

Who is anti-christ?

we love Jesus, we respect him and we glorify him.

Love and glorify hmmm in what way you people do these?

Going back to the subject, when Jesus entered the upper room they were scared and u said is because they did not believe it can happen. WRONG.

They were scared because they don't believe He would resurrect from dead because He is the who raised people from dead.

It is because they taught he was a spirit (ressurected body) from the dead, so he had to prove to them that he is the same person ALIVE not dead.

How did He prove Himself to them?

Cos all of his diciples where not eye witness of the scene,they heard from hear say (rumour) that he was dead.

Pure lies, not all at all, they were first scattered when He was arrested but follow Him at behind...read Bible very well.


I will still have time to answer both unanswer question and the answered one with Biblical support.

This day I'm begin to relax on promoting Christianity on this forum simply because tha's not the instruction of our Lord Jesus. Jesus said go ye into the world and preached the good news (salvation).

These facts about Jesus can not be altered by anybody but can only be accepted or disaccepted by anybody

His pre-birth & death prophesies,
His miraculous Birth,
His ministration of Salvations,
His various working of miracles,
His denials by Judas,
His crucifition,
His resurrection,
His ascension into heaven,
And His second coming.

All these are through about Him but can be rejected by anybody.

His blood has been sheld for us to make us clean because "without shelding of blood there's no remission" Heb 9.

Jesus loves you before you love Him.

Image123: Jon 3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

Three day's journey from where?

Jonah was clearly in the fish's belly for three days and three nights. He went nowhere else.

When people die, is it that their body will go to the place of dead with them or only their soul?

I didn't say Jonah did not pray inside the fish. But verse 2 shows the position Jonah was where his dead body is. Jonah 2:2 "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord (some version use 'distress' meaning what he is passing through at that very moment of time), and he heard me; out of the belly (inside the fish where my body is) of hell (Sheol-in the place of the dead) cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

It's why i likened it to God preparing the fire that Daniel's friends were thrown in, or the lions in the Den that lion was thrown in. They were prepared that is why Daniel and his friends were not hurt.

I didn't claim Jonah was not swallowed by a fish, what he expirenced inside the fish is my main point. Daniel shear his own expirence "God send His angles to seal the Loin's mouth"... like his friends "the appearance of the forth man looks like Son of God". Jonah said he prayed in the belly of hell which is a clear statement.

The words used are pictorial/symbolic.

Here is not pictorial/symbolic/figurative sir.
I will repeat myself, if the word sheol was used a place of dead in OT will Jonah's case different?

Thank God you quoted Revelation. Now from Rev if seas give up its dead, are they alive or still living?

For jonah, he thought it was the end. In Psalms, we see similarly expressions where the psalmist was not even dead.

This is what I'm saying, stop quoting one verse without having the full knowledge of the rest of the verse.

Psalm 18:5 you quoted was written after the deliverance of David from Saul's hand.
Also Psalm 30:3, was written when David dedicate his house, and if you read it from beginnig you will see that David was sick before that time. What David means is just an appreciation that if not for the grace of God, he will have be in the place of dead not a pictorial word. but in the case of Jonah he saw himself there 7"when my soul fainted within me I remember the Lord..."

Lastly, verses 1-2 of chapter 2 is the complete story, why verses 3-7 is an explanations of how it happens. Actually Jonah would've expirenced a lot of things when he was threw inside the sea before the fish swallowed him which he explained in verse 3,5, & 6.

Mr. Image, I may not reply your next post for my personal reasons.

Anything you say I agree whether Jonah died inside the fish or not I'm in total support.

Thanks and God bless you more.

Shallom!

benalvino: sorry about that... but i am asking you how did you know when to switch to the father... and who created the universe through the father? remember By = through.

Imagine maybe he has forgotten he made that statement By=through.

He even capitalised the combine words FIRSTBORN but failed to ask himself, is YAHWEH or Yeshua the firstborn? because Who infront of verse 15 indicates that the person who is the image of invisible God seperated by a coma(,) is also the FIRSTBORN.

Frank4YAHWEH: Who [FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua] is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE Mighty One [FATHER Yahweh], the FIRSTBORN of all creation: For by Him (FATHER Yahweh] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him [FATHER Yahweh], and for Him [FATHER Yahweh]: And He [FATHER Yahweh] is before all things, and by Him [FATHER Yahweh] all things are held together. And he [Yahshua] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This is how you will know you're twisting Bible.

If you want to know how to use Whom & Who simply put

Him=Whom
He=Who, with this you will know the approprate one to use.

Verse 14 "In WHOM(Him), we have redemption through his blood, even the forgivness of our sins:"
Now! This verse made it clear that the rest of statement in the other verses was listed to this same person.

Reasons being that a colon(: ) ended this verse. Where can we use colon? We use colon [b]to introduce a list and use it only after a full sentence which ends in a noun.
Verse 15-17 is a list of verse 14.

Is it through the blood of YAWHEW that will have redemption for our sins or Yeshua?
because you've replaced Him for God in the rest of that chapter.

Keep deluding yourself.

Last token, John 6:62 "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he(Jesus) was before?

This is Jesus' statement not emusan.

Shalom!