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OLAADEGBU: Identifying Antichrists
September 18, 2013

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time" (1 John 2:18 ).
Evangelicals expect “the” Antichrist to be revealed in the future, yet there are more warnings about “many” antichrists who are currently and actively plotting evil. John lists two specific identifying factors that enable us to spot these “anti” Christs.

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22).

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist . . . and even now already is it in the world” (1 John 4:3).

This much is clear. Anyone who refuses to accept the incarnated Christ as the Son of God is anti-Christ. Perhaps we need to see this term in its simplicity. Those who are “anti” Christ (oppose, reject, against, opposite to, before, instead of, in place of) are antichrists!

Peter warns that false prophets and false teachers are also “anti” Christ—and that they may well come from among the Lord’s visible Kingdom.

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (2 Peter 2:1).

Thus, we are told that Satan’s “ministers also [are] transformed as the ministers of righteousness” (2 Corinthians 11:15). No wonder we should have caution. This is the last time (days), and we need to be alert! HMM III

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Nice one!

nwuyag: tnx, i will look onto that...
so what about siamese twins and I know dt hermaphrodytes choose their gender before operation?

The best verse that talk about that is verse 23;
look at it again 23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."

At this phrase "even we ourselves groan/suffer within ourselves" talks about mutation that do occur in DNA that can lead to siamane twins or any abnormal creatures. But the next verses give us hope..,....but all things work good together for those who truely love God.......


The Word of God can not be broken by fallible mind of human.


Shalom!

nwuyag: why doea the bible now always seem to reveal itself like a fairy tail which a 4th grade student of this generation knows its not true.
I was reading the creation story and cannot actually where hermaphrodytes fall into. also, the geography I did taught me dt the light we see is the light of the sun, so how did God create light on the 1st day, then create sun later, where was the light coming from? and if that, then what was the purpose of the sun??. pls I need help(rational). I am still stuck in genesis

If you're a true christian I believe these verses should help; Romans 8:20-23 "20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."

Remember the word "GROAN" means suffering from.
About the first light I will the light is JESUS because He is the firstborn of all creations and He is the light of the world. Though you may not agree with me but that is my own point.


Shalom!

ooman: @bold-my point is still made, you believe in god cos of your delusions, not because of your profession. Besides, there is really nothing in engineering itself that might make you doubt your white master jesus, since another white master laid the foundation of everything you know in engineering. You dont apply your reasoning, you have no reason to.

I said God reveals Himself to me you still call it delusion hmmmm,


Shalom!

ooman: most professions are already secular. Finance, Engineering, ICT, Law etc, these are already secular jobs that make you forget gods and focus on what matters.

Unless you wanna be a Minister of Atheism specifically, I think most jobs, excluding the religious jobs, are secular enough

Ooman how have you been quite a long time?

I'm an enginner the more I study engineering the more I love God not even because of my profession but because God has revealed Himself to me that makes me believe on Him. So matter profession i study that can change me.

Shalom!

omonori1: 2. The Qur’an is the only religious scripture in the world that says,"marry only one".

The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’.
There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures,
whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives.
According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later,
that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.
In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives.
It was only a few centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.

I don't have problem with Q'uran but just because you haven't read other books or ask the right person a confuse question shouldn't give you a final thought of your question.

Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, [size=15pt]the husband of one wife,[/size] having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Shalom!

Logicboy03: Most christians (inlcuding Olaadegbu) should be banned from writing about atheism.

Shoooooo

They dont even understand the word "disbelief"...not to even talk of even understanding atheism.

Abi na, it's only atheist that do understand everything. Afterall "Atheism is a belief that there's no God".

Olaadegbu can not even understand how his fellow christians do not even believe his "there and back" hell tales.

The likes of Frosbel, Logicboy and co!

Sir, you are not qualified to talk about atheism

Do you also qualify to about Christianity?

Shalom!

Uyi Iredia: God,

Thank you for the gift of life, made the more valuable by the loss in death. I also want to know whether I'm correct in assuming you are the [size]space[/size] withing which all things exist. I want you to grant me this wish: that all men may live life forever and in happiness.

Good day,
Iredia.


That's my letter. A tricky letter. Especially at the happiness_noy the space_part.

@bold-pls Uyi, what if God visit you in your room/speak to you one on one; will you still think God is space?


Shalom!

macof: Realistically speaking no gods or spiritual being can talk directly except through dreams/visions, divination or prayers

Almighty God can speak and you will hear him only if you haven't walked in His way.


Shalom!

Here is the answer to your question.

Jesus Himself comfirmed the vision of Daniel about the end of the world.

Daniel 12:7 "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Jesus comfirmed the @bold in His statement in Matt 24:14
Matt 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

So with the help of you and others preaching the Gospel of Christ on the streets, public buses, schools, internet e.t.c the day is getting more nearer.


Shalom!

I love this tread so much, I'm a typical Yoruba who love everything about my culture. I was brought up in a christian home though my grandparent were paganism before they converted to christianity...I mixed both paganism and christianity up when I was small but since God Almighty has revealled Himself to me....I realise that paganism is a path to hell. Though like ifa and some other gods are good or taught about how to live a peaceful life but Devil(Esu) is very wise in His own way of dealing with human being.


Shalom!

I wonder when christians will stop all these and begin to do the right thing commanded by our Lord Jesus.


Shalom!

Uyi Iredia: I believe it said this
:

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a molecule that ENCODES the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms and many viruses.



You are correct. Perry Marshall also corrected his argument stating that the code is the sequence of nucleobases attached to the DNA. In any case, that's nitpicking, more so since the article makes the same error. The DNA has a code (ie. the sequence of nucleobases on it) for amino acids and hence proteins.

Don't mind them all they know what you're talking about but decided to bent the truth.


Shalom!

dead2sin: I read Emusan piece on another thread about information, could this be part of what emusan was trying to emphasisie?

Absolutely yes! I remember everything went the way it was @Uyi's link.

Actually, is not nature itself that confused me in believing in God Almighty but God has manifested Himself to me. I was just trying to let our freethinker to know the hand of God in our universe.


Shalom!

@OP I'm so impress on these your questions, how I wish all christians can search their mind deep down and ask themself these questions.

I was born into a christian home but there was a time I almost fall away from grace because of some questions on reality in nature our finite mind beg answers to and as someone who loves science, but instead of allowing myself to be deluded on what I believe. I pray to God to manifest Himself to me which He did.

I really thank God because if not maybe I would've become an atheist.

So I believe in God because God manifest Himself to me.

My question is since you join christian what step(s) are you taking to see the manifestation of God? To me science has confirmed God in many ways.


Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: emphasis here too can be misleading,

I'm sorry the emphasis cover thine own self I suppose to inserted it after thine own self.

the same book of john 17:22, this time verse 20-22 the same glory was extended to believers,

Ofcourse that's the major mission of Jesus Christ to reconcille us to God so that we can see the glory of God.

maybe the use of the word glory here means 'unity in purpose'!

Maybe, but to me the glory of Jesus who He has with the Father before the foundation of world differ from the one God gave Him as reconsillation to Himself.

so what you mean now is 'Gods utterance word of his mouth' if that is the case that Gods 'utterance word of his mouth only become a flesh in the person of Jesus

Yes sir!

then whose word was heard in Very LOUD when jesus was baptised, telling people "This is my Son" and listen to jesus? here is the account,below

The voice of God. The WORD only became flesh (not that God ceases to speak) and has every attributes of God Himself because God's word is also God.

before we attach God with a concept 'Omni-potent', is that word 'Omni-potent' ever found in the bible?

Is not as the word of BIBLE was not found in the scripture. But you can't compare infinite being with that human which is the basis of finding God by our forefathers
someone whom the whole worlds was framed by His word(Jesus) so that things we seen i.e sand, water, air e.t.c was not made from things which do appeared" Heb 11:3 Infact He is more than Omni-potent self.

yes God is the most powerful but his extents should not be by qualified using words not found in the bible.

So you mean God is limited in power?


The word only became flesh. If you speak ones does it mean you can't talk again/are you speaking ones since you were born? If you have power to change your word into something, does it mean you won't talk again?


Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: like is descriptive or a parrallel, ok jesus himself says this below, not because he is human but has always been loyal to carry out instructions of his father
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

He must receives commandment from God because He has become a flesh.

then why should you say that fallen angels are not God sons when bible says they are, see it now;

No where in the Bible fallen Angels was called sons of God.

Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

Theses are human being not fallen angels.

Jude 1:6-7 “And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, andgoing after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

@BERN pls always notice the words in the Bible especially the way sentence has been constructed...no offence pls.

The beginning of verse 7 made it clear of the point the writter tried to bring out here....with the adverb 'EVEN'. This is another place you'll misuses this Word 'EVEN'. The Sin being commited by these fallen Angels is liking to what happened in sodom and gomorrah not referring to Angles as sons of God because you link it with that Gen. 'EVEN (excatly) as' notice this word anytime you come accross it in the Bible. It's just simple English.


Shalom!

Double post!

Itsfacts: Emusan go to page 8 and read for insight of the situation Ben put barrister.

Thanks I actually following this tread from beginning. I show face again because @BERN misunderstand Gal 4:14. And I believe he can see truly that the verse is not pointing to Jesus an Angel.

BERNIMOORE: he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born
can you see that even before john was born, he was already filled with holy spirit as a messenger

Yes I see.
What I'm saying is if John's birth was prophesied in Malachi as a messenger which you believe all messengers are Angels because I can see that's your point that Jesus is an Angel. Then according to malachi John also must be an Angel because he's a messenger promise to come. That's why I let you to know that be a messenger doesn't necessarily mean Angel but sometimes someone to fulfilled a certain obligatory. Do you agree?

jesus, who do not need to be refilled again with holy spirit-to-serve on earth like john

I know because He(Jesus) lives inside the Holyspirit.

[b]isaiah 42;1-6
42 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,
My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him;He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles

I have shown you how Jesus can be called a servant in other tread.

As Luke redefine the prophesy of Malachi, likewise Jesus has redefined His own prophesy of God puting His own spirit on Him.

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in Himself, so hath He(Father) given to the Son to have life in Himself" Emphasis added...here Jesus make it clear that He(Jesus) didn't has life before when He was with God as His WORD...notice the phrase "Hath He given".

6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,

Anyway statement of God here is a future reference term with this modal verb 'will' given to Isaiah.

God was talking to Jesus right there in the heaven

No! He was talking to a prophet

Behold! My Servant when jesus was still in the heaven in pre-human spirit form jesus already possesed the holy spirit of service as a servant/messenger while in heaven, see the use of word here..in verse 1;
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles

Explain above.


[quotept]this isaiah in old testament says it all that jesus has been Gods servant from the heaven

Explain again.

what do you have to say about this?

That Jesus is the Spoken-word of God and the WORD is also God.

Now in that Malachi 3:1 I know you believe that it is God who is speaking then check this statement: Mal 3:1 "BEHOLD, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to HIS temple,......"

*Who is that ME? Remember this ME that is come is still the same one who is speaking.

*Whose LORD did these people seek, that will come suddenly to His temple? Please answer.

Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: you are including the universe now, lets keep to the world first,

World as in? World is also universe.

God DID not start his own existence with the beggining of the world,

Confirm! I totally agree with you.

while jesus always mark his own existence with 'when' or during the 'time' the world's or earth or human's beggining.

No! Even your next statement refutes this. In John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with you (together with yourself) thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was(before time start). Emphasis added.

'when he streched the mountains, i was there' or 'before abraham was'

This indicate that Jesus was with God before Universe begins.

are you saying that God will be helpless or miserable without his son?

You'll get it better by replacing 'His Son' with 'His Word', my answer is NO! because He created everything by His Word Heb 11:3. And this WORD only become a flesh in the person of Jesus.

assumptions on hold for now pls

I didn't but that's the way it is.

in 1you told him "help me get a plate of rice with two meats" your Bro will do according to the command received from you so following command does not mean that you are 'sent'? i dont understand

Following a command shows that you're sent, that's why Jesus always refers to His Father.

when someone is in a position to issue a command, then the person is in a position of authority, im i correct?

Absolutely, you're correct.

how can a mere 'word of mouth itself' perform a task? that is how i understand it pls

Then you're limiting the attribute of God 'Omni-potent' and the is how you will know that God is not like a human.

How possible for a virgin to conceived?
How possible for denser body float on water?
How possible for lifeless body after three comes back to life without decomposed. All this are question our finite knowledge need answers to about All powerful God.

if Gods word is like a messenger here, is it to himself or to another one's authority?

To God Himself, but your word is also you and nobody can seperate your word from you.

anything here can also include jesus the word himself, did he made himself? i need an answer pls

He is the spoken word of God.....All things was created through Him(Jesus) John 1:10 "He(Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by Him(Jesus), and the world knew Him(Jesus) not"

yes, i agree too with that

Good, God turn His own WORD into flesh by sending Him into the world in a person of Jesus Christ John 1:14

Emart: Nice Copy And Paste. Where did you get this article from. Do you believe what you've pasted?

Yea, I believe Sir!

Shalom!

OLAADEGBU: That is correct. As they rightly say: "Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, and the New Testament revealed" but if we really study the OT we will see our Lord Jesus Christ revealed plainly.

You're absolutely right infact I use to run away from reading "Song of Solomon" but by the time it was revealed to me the love of Christ inside it, I love reading it now. Jesus was truely concealed in the OT.

Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: was jesus twice beggotten? answer pls

It's depend on what you mean by begotten, you mean born as a human or what?

the bible does not tell us that jesus was beggotten twice, if you have a verse that says that, show us now!

He was only beggotten when God spoke His word into Mary's womb. Jesus is the spoken word of God that's why He was with God BEFORE the foundation of the world (means when the universe and all his host haven't being at all)

his role; he was a servant,

As God spoken word.

1) Imagine you and your Jr Bro was in a room and you're feeling hungry and you told him "help me get a plate of rice with two meats" your Bro will do according to the command received from you.

2) Let's assume your Brother is not with you and you need that food, you then spoke into air "a plate rice with two meats come out" suddendly it appeared according to your command without moving an inch then you will realise that you only issue a COMMAND while your WORD performed the action.

3) Let's assume again your Brother isn't there and you decided not to talk what will happen, Nothing!

In 1, God didn't send anybody to do all the works of creations.

In 2, God didn't do it with His own rather He issue a command through His mouth and HIS WORD performed the actions according to His command....here God's word is like a messenger.....

In 3, Nothing will happen if God decided not to talk...that's why John 1:3 said "All things were made by him(the word); and without Him(the word) was not any thing made that was made" emphasis added. This is the reason why Jesus exists before the foundation of the world while Angels don't. John 1:1.

Finally, this God's WORD was only given a name when the WORD becam flesh....Emmanuel....God is with US.

I agree with all your quote.


Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: was jesus twice beggotten? answer pls

It's depend on what you mean by begotten, you mean born as a human or what?

the bible does not tell us that jesus was beggotten twice, if you have a verse that says that, show us now!

He was only beggotten when God spoke His word into Mary's womb. Jesus is the spoken word of God that's why He was with God BEFORE the foundation of the world (means when the universe and all his host haven't being at all)

his role; he was a servant,

As God spoken word.

1) Imagine you and your Jr Bro was in a room and you're feeling hungry and you told him "help me get a plate of rice with two meats" your Bro will do according to the command received from you.

2) Let's assume your Brother is not with you and you need that food, you then spoke into air "a plate rice with two meats come out" suddendly it appeared according to your command without moving an inch then you will realise that you only issue a COMMAND while your WORD performed the action.

3) Let's assume again your Brother isn't there and you decided not to talk what will happen, Nothing!

In 1, God didn't send anybody to do all the works of creations.

In 2, God didn't do it with His own rather He issue a command through His mouth and HIS WORD performed the actions according to His command....here God's word is like a messenger.....

In 3, Nothing will happen if God decided not to talk...that's why John 1:3 said "All things were made by him(the word); and without Him(the word) was not any thing made that was made" emphasis added. This is the reason why Jesus exists before the foundation of the world while Angels don't. John 1:1.

Finally, this God's WORD was only given a name when the WORD becam flesh....Emmanuel....God is with US.

I agree with all your quote.


Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: if the 2nd messenger refers to 'someone who will come' who is jesus, you will agree with me that jesus was still in the heaven when 'the mention of messenger' was used for him. true or false

Yes Jesus pre-exist His birth

and let me ask you another question who are angels? can you define and apply it to 1, john humans 2,jesus (still in spirit form) in malachi 3:1.

If we both agree that Angels are messengers, then the same thing applied to both John and Jesus because John wasn't born when Malachi was written.

we have instances when God himself visit humans in the bible, moses for example, and the people of istrealites of old. moses heard Gods voice coming from the fire he remove his sandals because where he stands was declared holy! because of Gods presence.

we also have instances where angels visit humans and were received promtly, in these two instances, will it not be derogatory for paul to use angel to describe his reception like jesus when he should have known that jesus is higher than angels? why does he strikes parrallel with angel and jesus? simply because of something they both shares, ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS by defination, so we have spirit angels and human angels, BUT there is nothing like angelic beign. separate from spirit beigns. and since angel is define messenger, it means the word angel 'is just a task' of either spirit or humans

No don't let us assume here, that passage strickly expressed the intention of Paul specifically with that adverb---EVEN that's why I quote from Amplified version just to show you that Paul didn't call Jesus an Angel in that verse.

He strikes parellel to Angels and Jesus because they have received Jesus as the Messiah,,,,this is what I'm try to explain in my previous post this is it again "Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even(exactly) as Christ Jesus." emphasis added, this verse(not the whole chapter) Paul was reference to how he was accepted into Apostleship. The EVEN there means 'exactly' check your Dictionary.


Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: friend, i believe that we can have wholesome discussion, and we can achieve that by avoiding destractors who if you chech the whole tread they have nothing to contribute than insult, so i have to give it back to their face.

Using caustic words is bad.

you are welcome, and you can judge for yourself when distractors will be barking

Thanks, we are here to share knowledge so there's no need to be bashing ourself.

so, before i comment, kindly have a say on these 4 bible verses below, it was not written by me

Ok, I did.

4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible)

I only read amplified version which gives more details about the verse you quoted but I always use KJV.

"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and theLord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith theLordof hosts."KJV

This is how amplified put its own:
"Behold, I send My [a] messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord [the Messiah], Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [b] Messenger or Angel of the covenant, Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts."

Footnotes:
a. Malachi 3:1 This is fulfilled in John the Baptist (Matt. 11:10; Mark 1:2; Luke 1:76).
b. Malachi 3:1The Messiah as God’s representative will confirm and establish the covenant (see Isa. 42:6).
At the footnote John baptist was the one who fulfilled the first statement while Jesus fulfilled the last. Now can we say John the baptist also is an angel? Thou amplified put or Angel in place of messenger. the B of the footnote clearified the doubt, means the MESSENGER in that verse simply refers to someone who will come and perform the obligatory.


My stance of show face again on this tread is when you said Apostle Paul called Jesus an angel in that verse. Gal 4:14 which is not so; 1) the conjunction word in btw the two phrases used as an adverb is EVEN. So check the mean of this word. And see how amplified put it whether I'm wrong or not; Gal 4:14 "And [yet] although my physical condition was [such] a trial to you, you did not regard it with contempt, or scorn and loathe and reject me; but you received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus [Himself]! Amp

Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: bolded above, how does God beget/begotten or 'born' jesus?

He spoke His word into Mary's womb and the word became flesh John 1:14

pls read my comment regarding beget in my opening post, was jesus beget through intercouse?

No!

if not then jesus is not begotten by default, angels too exist through the same way that jesus exist.

He is, but angels are not with God before the foundation of the world.

so angel that appeared to john in the new testament is carrying out his task under law? you are funny, there is NOTHING that concerns spirit angels with humans law covenant, they are servants of God the same way that jesus was a servant.

As per Bible give me the role of Jesus when He was in heaven.

Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: king james version

Galatians 4:14
. .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. paul directly call jesus 'angel of God' what again?

This is how you people misinterprete the Bible, Paul's statement here is as simple as ABC

received me as an angel(messenger) of God, even as (the way they received Christ Jesus), not as Jesus as an angel

14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Here Paul was talking about his reception into descipleship as they received him as an angel even the way they received Jesus. WE CAN SAY WITH FAITH because of what Saul-Paul did in the past.

Shalom!

BERNIMOORE: he was an appointed person like a secretary to the boss thats the role, note that!

Where did you get this one in the Bible, please honest answer?

where do you see 'the fallen one in the whole bible? why manufacturing things not existing in the bible in the first place? tell me now! if im lying quote a verse that says 'fallen one'

what we have is;fallen angels, NOT Fallen one, do you agree?

Bro I believe with simple term you should've understood my point there "not the fallen one" still referring to the thing I'm talking about Angels hmmmmmmmm.

through him, and NOT his own volition

Yea from Father

he still acts like secretary there following the boss commands

Tell me where you see this in the Bible.


Yet you're claiming Trinity is not in the Bible hmmmmmmm

Shalom!

JMAN05: Hellooooo. That they may be in US. It is just like Jesus said the father is in me,

So to you what did Jesus mean when He said my Father is in me, and I in Him?

why wont you call that a reconciliation?

Is that not reconcillation?

You see the double standard I am talking about?

I see.

Verse 22 says “that they may be one EVEN AS we are one.

Always look at the purpose of every words. When Jesus said they are not of the world EVEN as I am not of the world, what does it mean?

Did you see the clear analogy there? Abeg spare me that double standard.

I see.

The word means what Jesus said it is not these your double standard. So it is not longer 3 in 1 but 15 in one or more than that.

We are all one in Christ infact not 15 again more than thousands in one.

View it the way you view others.

View it also.

My stance on Trinity is this:
*Father-God Himself.
*Son-The spoken-word of the Father who God(Father) sent into the world in flesh in person of Jesus Christ.
*HolySpirit-The Spirit of Father Himself.
So these three are one 1John 5:7

You can quote me wrong if all these are not support by Bible.


Shalom!

JMAN05: just like they were sure in luke 22:70.

that He was the Son of God.

just like Jesus compared these oneness to the same thing the disciples will receive? john17:22.

I have tried to put more light on this.

I or another person can equally say so of me and my father, if i look much like him.

You can say so but there must always be a little different as human which doesn't give 100% guarantee of your statement.

these mindset may have led them to find fault with whatever he said so as to implicate him. of course no charge was found in him that could have condemned him to death as pilate said.

Remember not only that they disagree with Him or just looking for a fault with Him but just to be sure whether HE IS THE MESSIAH also because they believe the messiah must totally different from what ordinary human being can do/be.
They asked Him "how long hast thou make us to doubt, that you're the messiah?....." Again when there was an argument btw them they said "even if Messiah comes can he do more than what this Man(Jesus) is doing?" meaning the messiah must have been a very special one.

he accepted he was God almighty?

No where in the Bible you'll ever see such from Jesus. But no one can seperate you from your WORD.

a) oh! your translation called it devil?

Yes sir! KJV

b) so Jesus is a samaritan since never rejected it.

Get me right I mean for Him to reject being a devil He should've rejected it immediately when they challenged Him of "being a man but making Himself God"

c) I ask you, did Jesus say "yes I am God almighty"? rather he said I am son of God. that was a direct answer too.

He first said you're gods! By quoting psalms.

secondly I ve shown you that I and my father are one doesnt prove trinity

Depend on how you reason with my two perspetives "Devinity challenge & Prayer for His desciple"

as Jesus used similar words to show his disciples that there relationship will be as the one he has with his father, namely by saying they will be one as they are one.

He also said they are not of the world as He is not of the world.

Jesus and so what? of course God created things through his son Jesus. after he was created john1:15.

Bro reason well, in Gen account we read "And God said let there be" at the beginning of all the creations and "there was" at the end of them except man. If God now created worlds through Jesus after He(Jesus) was created how then God command all creations to come into existence Himself? Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the WORD of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Here if the WORD of God created the universe then you contradict yourself by saying God created it through Jesus. It will only work when you agree that Jesus is the spoken word of God afore mention by emusan.


Shalom!