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JMAN05: My friend read that comment very well. I dont want to waist my time explaining what you can understand if you read well. i said 'more correct than... 9did the following sentence correspond with the rendering in NWT?

Then why NWT didn't use the same word?

It is true that Christ possessing God's nature means that he has more of God's qualities than other angels, but they all possess the same divine nature. This same nature of Jesus, the saints will possess.

Is Christ ever existed in an Angel form?
What do you mean by DIVINE NATURE? list them

That is what I am saying, that we have the same nature, doesnt mean we are in the same position, does it? It doesnt also mean that we have the same natural gift.

You never understand, nature has nothing to do with your gift(s) rather the way every one appear i.e ALL HUMAN BEING HAVE THE SAME NATURE BE IT MAN OR WOMAN.i.e Husband is greater than his wife but does he have a nature different from his wife? NO!
Natural gift in human term can be referred to as our attributes......hope is clear?

You are correct partly, but being human, isnt it another form? If it is another form, then what I am saying is that his being a human does not make him equal to all humans, lets say in knowledge, aptitute, skill etc.

He is equal in human form dear! knowledge, attitude, wisdom were all given to Him after God has putting His Spirit on Him which gave Him more attributes on earth than any human.

Now if I may understand your point, You are saying that he had that advantage due to the empowerment of God's spirit. But that he got an empowerment from the Father didnt change his nature, human. he didnt become a spirit, he was still a human. Even without such empowerment from the Father, he will have something that makes him differ from another human.

The only thing that make Him differ from another human is that, He has being in existence with God before the world began but stripped off these to save you and I.

You have the same nature with your dad. no doubt you exhibit your dad's qualities so much than you brothers. But that does not mean you have the same knowledge with your father, you still do not have the same authority with him. He gave birth to you. [size=14pt]In the same vein, God created Jesus and has greater authority than his.[/size]

Now you understand the differrences between NATURE and ATTRIBUTE better with this your example! To get it more better, I can say "My Dad and I have the same Nature but one of the attribute of my Dad is that He is more knowlegable than I"
So Jesus and God have the same NATURE and possessing all the fullness of attributes that make God God.

[size=14pt]Give me the verse which says that Jesus was created![/size]

I clearly understand your point. I hope the above will help.

Ok!

macof: I Know God exist. However God is not Jesus, and it's Jesus am talking about.

I can see you truly have problem not with Jesus but with yourself........you know what I mean?

If he is still alive let him show up.

They way Atheist are saying God should show up......does it make God shows up? No.....so if you want Jesus to show up believe in Him and He will surely do so......He promised whosoever believe in Him He and His Father will manifest themself unto him/her.

I can say my grand father is alive but let him show up and people would belief

I can't stop laughing....please begin to tell people that your grandpa is alive and he can save you from your sin.....that's a good move

F00028: you do wrong, you realise its wrong, you sincerely repent to God with a firm resolve not to commit it again...and God simply forgives you because He is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful

Your claim is baseless then, since Allah knows all and ever Merciful & Forgiving! Why can't He destroy the power of sin after Adam has sinned?
Why does He allow people to inherit sin from Adam?

He won't remember your sin or hold it against your unborn children!

Many is simple did Adam meet sin on earth or he's the first to sin?
if he meet sin on earth, where do sin come from?
if he's the who sinned, does Allah hold his sin on you or not?

is that what Jesus claimed?

That's why I asked you if Jesus didn't make such claim, why Qur'an says Jesus fulfilled the written of Torah and the prophecies of the past prophet?

what was is written in Torah about Jesus that He fulfilled and what are the prophecies of the past prophets?

because from reading the bible, Jesus didn't want to die for nobody:

You can't see it because you're still wearing the glass of polluted mind of disclaiming of His mission on earth wish has been prophecy thousand years ago.

he told his followers to buy weapons,

What is disciples use the weapons for? The veil is still covering your face.

he ran to gethsamane,

What happen during His prayer?

put guards in place, went deeper inside and stationed more people,

Quote the verse which state this

then prayed earnestly to God make this wahala just pass

What did God do to His prayer?

and in the end on the cross he cried : my God, my God why have forsaken
me?

I know you don't agree with this your statement, but out of frustration.

does that sound like someone who was here to die for you or even wanted to die for you?

Yes as it has been prophecied in the OT.

cloudstar: I would ask you to prove this but knowing that you will not, I wouldn't even bother. The ramification that the Bible was changed is a big issue, so you have to provide proofs such as - what was changed, when was it changed, who changed it? Knowing you can't answer any of these questions suggest several possibilities: (1). You deliberately fail to reason objectively when it comes to matters of your faith (2). You make a claims that you can't possibly prove

The difference is simple, the Jesus described in the Bible is the Jesus of Nazareth and His character is consistent in all the gospels narrated and documented by his disciples that lived with him and studied under him.

Mohammed came 600 years later, with no evidence whatsoever and no witnesses and said the Jesus in the Bible is not the same Jesus. If common sense should prevail here - the outcome is simple . The question you should be asking yourself is this - Why wasn't the Bible ever accused of being changed or corrupted until Mohammed got on the scene?

Bro relax, I'm a dude like you

[quote author=JMAN05 ]First note the cinually, the translation of ESV is more correct than stating that Jesus doesnt consider equality a robbery.[/quote]Only thing to point out is not consider equality with God! Ok but so other versions. so you mean your church own does not too correct?

Now, What I understood is that Jesus had the nature of God, ie spirit nature. and he has much of His qualities. however, God is greater than he is, in power, authority, knowledge, many more.

Do Angels have form of God? No! Angel have their form/nature likewise do humans, but Jesus has this nature/form of God no two meaning to this verse.

Your point on greater is baseless because the word "Greater" applies only in position not in nature.

Some argue just like the parenthesis you stress above shows, that Jesus has the fullness to make him God almighty as the translator understand from the verse.

Ok!

But I xpress my disagreement with that. If you say that his being God's form makes him God, then you are equally saying that his being in a slave's form (same greek word), makes him equal to humans.( the slave form implied is human form). we know that Christ wasnt equal to other humans in everything eg power, authority, knowledge etc. but he has our nature, namely, human.

This is where you missed it the most, Jesus appeared in FULLY HUMAN BUT WAS EMPOWERED through the spirit of Father to acheive all His work on earth. This is what the next verse is saying that He EMPTIED/DENIES HIMSELF of all the privileges that makes Him God in other to take on the NATURE OF HUMAN try to reread those verses for clear understanding.

From this vantage point, we can infer that the "form" stressed is nature NOT equality in essence.

This is where you should look at it,
God has Its own nature...
Angels have theirs too...
Likewise Human...
Jesus never existed in form of Angel but of God while He was in Heaven also He never took on Him the nature of Angel on earth but was made to be like unto His brethen.

Take your time to read that Phil 2:6-8 very well,

Shalom!

F00028: then why can't an all Loving and Just biblical God simply forgive the sin? why hold a sin against millions of people who were not even there when it was committed??

Why do you need to ask for forgiveness everyday? Is Allah not loving and just and why Allah ask you to be praying for forgiveness?

if you read the Quran like you claim then you know one of the attributes of God is that He's filled with loving kindness. the sinner's sin are his own to bear alone but all it takes is for him to turn to God in sincere repentance and he's forgiven.

Now let me ask you this, where does SIN come from?

This is where you will know the importance of Jesus' dead on the cross which Muhammad can't comprehend because He thought Jesus is just an ordinary human. Jesus came to destroy the power of SIN and DEATH brought into the world by Adam(Quran also agreed with this- I mean Adam's sin). Bible says every soul that sin will surely die......when Adam sinned God promised that One of His seed will destroy the Devil.,...so Jesus' prophecy to die on the cross for remission of sin started from Moses down to Malachi.

F00028: Muhammad (pbuh) didn't write Jeremiah 8:8.

and Jeremiah didn't say "lying tongues" he said "lying PENS"

I can see the veil is still covering your face! After I've provided you other versions for simplicity.

am I your bible studies teacher now?

I thought you claim to be one of the best Bible scholars

so you are saying the bible has been corrupted! I rest my case.

Your case is pathetic! You said some Christians have 73 books in their Bible while some have below that and I shown you why it so but you still go further to say I agree with you. Even this time we have some who chooses only the books of New Testament as their Bible....the qiestion you should ask yourself and do research on is this; the books chose by any body, is their content different?

if those verses were the word of God what gives them the right to delete? but if they discovered the verses were not, then you agree bible gas been corrupted.

I believe you're talking about translation here not the Original Manuscript. If it's translation we have thousand of them today but original manuscript it's only one which is still intact till today.

when are going to get back to fully addressing my initial query?

So did Jesus die for the whole world or for Himself?

italo: Was Angel Michael existing in the form of God?

God forbid! It's only Jesus who has ever existed in form God.

I'm waiting for Jman to clear that verse. Since their translation said Jesus exists in the form of God.

JMAN05: We will do our best to help them just to be fair, but if they keep hardening their heart then we let them be. it is there life, they are free to live it they like to live it, but none will say, 'I didnt see sound prove'.

I've compiled these verses for you and your Co who rejected the deity of Yehshua in different versions including yours.

AMP: Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!


ESV: who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.


KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


NASB: who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

NIV: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!


CJB: 6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.
7 On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are.
8 And when he appeared as a human being, he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death -death on a stake as a criminal!

NWT: 6 "Who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."

Both agreed that Jesus exists in the form God, AMP inserted (possessing all fullness that makes God God) for simple logic.

What did you understand from these verses especially verse 6?

Verse6 talks about His early life.
Verse7 talks about the process of His incarnation into human.
Verse8 talks about His obedient.

coogar: it's the UK...
women are begged to do everything. imagine getting bribed to feed one's own baby.

I think Nigeria needs this method too because I don't think mine is up to that, Mussy nah Bus Mama no time.

bebe2: I tire o. And I did mine and neva got a penny. Maybe I need to born another one to collect dat £200.

Hope Daddy will gree?

f F00028: -sorry, I meant Jeremiah. jer. 8:8-
"How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?" (New Living Translation)

I know this is the verse you mean now see another version so that you can have full understanding of that verse.

KJV: How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
NASB: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
NIV :“‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

Now do you understand what this verse is saying? Do Scribes have access or authority to change any written things/is the scriptures are in charge of the scribes? Definitely, No! Jesus always attacked the Pharisies and the scribes because they always teaching/twisting scripture wrongly.It's their teaching on how they wrongly explain the scriptures just to suite their selfish interest.

This is part of what I'm saying when I said Muhammed never had the full knowledge of the scriptures before he composed His book, you also instead you should ask for knowledge through Christ you stay under prejudice to keep deluding yourself

and from his day to the present there's no reason to believe the corruption has stopped.

When was the book of Jeremiah written?

-today the roman catholic bible has 73 books while the protestants' has only 66 books! so did the catholics corrupt the bible by adding or have the protestants corrupted the bible by removingi

After Alexandria has compiled the whole books of the OT about 300-230 BC and called Septuagint which was well accepted by the Jews themselves, some people later brought about 14 books called Apocalyphat which were claimed to been written about 350 BC of which the Jews themselves publicaly declared that no voice of a Prophet was heard in Isreal but some still went aheard to insert some of those book in their Bible.

you also have various versions of the bible adding/removing verses here and there

You are right but look at those versions with their motive of removing those verses.

Are you clear that Muhammad made the mistake of attaching GOSPEL to the name of Jesus?

Researchers from the University of Sheffield are examining ways to boost low rates of breastfeeding in parts of the UK.

Mothers will be given shopping vouchers worth up to £120 if their babies receive breast milk until they are six weeks old, and a further £80 if their babies are still breastfed at six months.

If the "feasibility" project is successful, the authors will conduct a national research project into the scheme.

But midwives have warned that financial reward should not be the main motivation for women to breastfeed.

The Department of Health has admitted it is funding the project, however, Health Minister Dr Dan Poulter stressed that he did not believe "financial incentives" were the best way of encouraging mothers to breast feed.

He said: "Breastfeeding has huge health benefits, and it helps to promote a strong bond between mum and baby. But it should be a woman’s choice to breastfeed and we know not all mothers are able to.

"Latest figures show nearly 74% of mums start breastfeeding and we have seen a general increase in recent years.

"We believe the main way to promote breastfeeding is not financial incentives, but to make sure women have all the information they need to make an informed decision."

The new study is to be trialled in Derbyshire and South Yorkshire - in areas where breastfeeding uptake rates are low.

Only 34% of UK babies are breastfed at six months with only 1% exclusively breastfed at this stage, said Dr Clare Relton, senior research fellow at the University of Sheffield.

She said: "Breast milk is perfectly designed for babies and provides all they need for the first six months of their life.

"The scheme offers vouchers to mothers who breastfeed as a way of acknowledging both the value of breastfeeding to babies, mothers and society, and the effort involved in breastfeeding."

The NHS recommends mothers breastfeed exclusively for the first six months of a child's life.

The preliminary study will focus on up to 130 mothers who give birth between November and March.

If the mothers breastfeed their children for a full six months they will receive £200 shopping vouchers - half for supermarkets and half for high street stores.

The vouchers will be paid in five instalments of £40 each.

The initiative is being funded by the National Prevention Research Initiative, a group made up of government departments, medical charities and research companies.

The initiative will not be rigorously policed and will simply require the participating mother and their health visitor or midwife to sign off to say they are breastfeeding.

Dr Relton said the test would not only look at whether or not the payment improves uptake rates, but also at whether women think they are being "bribed or rewarded" after they receive the vouchers.

Janet Fyle, professional policy adviser at the Royal College of Midwives, said: "Whilst we are not against financial incentives for the right reasons, there is a much bigger social and cultural problem here that needs to be tackled instead of offering financial incentives for mothers to breastfeed.

"In many areas, including those in this study, there are generations of women who may not have seen anyone breastfeeding their baby, meaning it is not the cultural norm in many communities.

"The motive for breastfeeding cannot be rooted by offering financial reward.

"It has to be something that a mother wants to do in the interest of the health and well-being of her child."

source: Sky news

F00028: ^^^
it was a simple specific question about Jesus' status and mission but you gone into a tirade about Muhammad.

can you not defend your claim beyond making vague references?

and as for your Bible, the Prophet Isaiah says your scriptures are corrupt

When was Isaiah said the scriptures are begin to corrupt? I mean the time it started to corrupt.

F00028: then first things first. let's have it.

This is what lead to all these @mance said Jesus is the God the Son and He died for the whole world....you then asked is it what Jesus claimed or people just ascribed it to Him?

As the God the Son it never even appeared in the Bible with a boldly writing but it's there for people with spiritual eyes.

As Jesus died for the world I will go back to same question for you to fully understand Jesus mission on earth. If Jesus didn't die for the world how can the prophecies of the Old Teastament be fulfilled?

Qur'an also affirmed this by saying Jesus fulfilled the written of Torah and Prophets which are before Him.

The question you people suppose to ask whenever you come accross this verse should be:
-Why the need for Messiah?
-what will the Messiah do?
-As anyone ever filled the place of the Messiah?
-What are the prophecies concern the Messiah?

Though since you have been made to believed that Bible is corrupt, I fear where you can get the full answers to these questions.

Pastor Olu T: Dont really get u bro, is it like once saved forever saved, or if one keep sinning after the knowledge of salvation?

As someone who never knows anything about God Himself.

Wait ooo which one is "once saved forever saved"?

holypower: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9).

Thanks for this but is confession of Jesus as Lord and Saviour apply to both forgiveness of sin(s) and salvation?

Kindly put more light on this.

hisblud: For me this verse speaks an emphatic yes.

now based on this verse, i am saved to the uttermost.

Alright!

Now the question rises, if i sin (verb not noun), will i still be saved. This is where am still calling on The Rauch Ha Kodesh [Holy Spirit] for enlightenment.

Much alike @Op

But before then, i believe am saved to the uttermost, halleluyah, in otherwords forgiveness of ALL my sins (verb) have been forgiven according to the riches of His grace.

How can you relate forgiveness with salvation?

Thanks for your conttibution

F00028: my question was did he HIMSELF make the claim?
but if your answer is 'no' and all you have are the words of other people, then let's have it.

If Jesus didn't make such claim how will He fulfil the prophecy of Old Testament?

the word in the Qur'an is "injeel" (translated: gospel) and it is specifically God's revelations to Jesus Christ i.e "the gospel of Jesus" and NOT the gospel ACCORDING to mathew or luke etc.

We are saying the same thing!
Gospel simply means [size=14pt]GOOD NEWS[/size]

Which GOOD NEWS did Allah give Jesus and why Jesus message is called GOOD NEWS BOTH in Quran and Bible?
According to you let's substitute the meaning into your claim, [size=14]"the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ"[/size] what does it mean to you?

really? you know this how?

Let's through with Gospel first, I will tell you. Relax!

I want your say(s) on this topic, because I wasn't satisfied with the answer I got yesterday during Sunday School though time wasn't on our side to put more light on this question.

Most people said yes while some said no but no time for them to expressed themselves.....but is it true?

Remember Biblical support will do alot.

Shalom!

F00028: is that what the man himself clamed or what you ascribe to him?

He even revealed it thousand years ago before He was born through His holy prophets.

I wonder what the word [size=14pt]GOSPEL[/size] is looking for in the Qur'an.
Do much research on this word

The funny part is that Muhammad never knows Bible before He composed his book.
He made mistake about Psalm, Trinity, the Death of Jesus e.t.c

damike99: Why is there no similarity in what the Bible says about Jesus and what the Koran says?

Simply because Bible has been change many years ago even though we don't know who changed it and no evident of change in the early manuscripts.

See how these people give fake answer to a simple question

I believe person like Lanrex, Mahdino, Udatso can give more light on this pls.

true2god: @ loveroftruth, can an inactive force be lied to?

The holy spirit, according to JW, works like electric current, tornadoe, turbine wind, battery etc. So it's not animate but a force (or non living thing) God uses to carry out his actions.
From Act 5: 3-4, Peter asked Ananais and his wife y satan has filled their heart to LIE to the Holy Spirit. So my question now to you is this, if the Holy Spirit is a non-living thing, hw reasonable do u think it can be lied to. Can u lie to electric current, wind, battery etc?

I need u and JMAN05 help explain this verse. Can u lie to an active force?

Infact Holyspirit can speak.
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, [size=14pt]the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.[/size]

In this verse Holy spirit identified Itself as Jesus by saying "...the work whereunto I have called...."

It's Jesus who called Paul yet Holy spirit claimed to be the who called Paul.

JMAN05: wrong expectation of going to heaven in 1914, thinking they enterred christ reign in 1925. I dont think 1975 should be included. just like people overreacted. we thought that the number to reveive heavenly hope should be decreasing not increasing, but the opposite has often been the case. we are however, not dogmatic on that. there have been many changes in our belief as new light unveils.

our understanding that the gentile times ended in 1914 was fulfilled. our understanding that The UN will rise again was fulfilled. this prediction was made during the second world war, in 1942 this stand was taking during Bro Knorr's time. this prediction was the understanding of Rev. 17:8. so even when the League of nation fell, we asserted that it will rise again.

We dont subs
cribe to infallibility or inspiration.

See the English meaning of 'it'
pronoun
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an inanimate object, to an inanimate thing with no or unknown sex or gender.
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an animate entity of unknown gender.
[size=14pt]-Used to refer to oneself when identifying oneself, often on the phone, but not limited to this situation.[/size]
-The impersonal pronoun, used without referent as the subject of an impersonal verb or statement. (known as the dummy pronoun or weather it)
-The impersonal pronoun, used as a placeholder for a delayed subject, or less commonly, object. (known as the dummy pronoun)
obsolete relative That which; what.
noun (plural it)
-The person or people who chase and try to catch the other players in the playground game of tag.
(British) The game of tag itself.

So is Holy spirit a person or not?
@bold-It is very clear that these three persons are One.

hisblud: why are you denying your organizational stand now on issues? You claim that your organization must be d final authority since they are out to clarify the truth. So i cant be wrong in asking.

On the Spirit, you are wrong to claim the Spirit is an active force yet has a will of His own? Oh so the recent havoc in phillipine has a will of its own even tho its an active force? The Holy Spirit, whom you reduce to a common thing like tornados, is just a mere thing, i pity your belief, no wonder you are not christian but jw.

Btw you consider the Holy Spirit an impersonal active force abi? SMH

It was a hug mistake for any Bible's believers calling Holy spirit an active force of God. How can JWs clear this?

Supposingly, Mr. Right is to be someone who is perfect for you, who doesn't see your flaws, who will make your bed in the morning while you'll just relax as you might have made to believed.

THEN YOU OFTEN ASK!!!
How do I even get to know Mr. Right?
Will he have a deep sexy voice or a shrill voice?
Will he be rich and famous like Dangote or just an ordinary guy you pass by on the street?
Will he be a charming, confident guy or just that guy who sits by corner in a gathering with a creepy smile on his face?
Will he be a fluent speaker or do I need to shush his mouth each time he tries to speak to save myself from embarrassment?
Will he be a good kisser or someone who laps his tongue all over my face like a dog? Will he be any of these? Will he?

What if he just a lame boyfriend of yours who you can't imagine hanging out with?
But what if he is not what the movies, books and our parents made us to believe he is?
What if he is not that perfect, maybe just a human being with a flaws like YOU?
What if you're not yet right to be with Mr. Right?

Women are too deep with fantasies and I wonder why. Does it have anything to do with the way our brain works?
While ladies are busy trying to figure out who Mr. Right is, they should also evaluate themselves. Are you ready to meet Mr. Right? Is Mr. Right seeing you as his damsel in distress or are you just another Cinderella's step-sister he has to shove out of his way? Nothing wrong if you want the perfect guy but are you perfect yourself? Go through your checklist and see if you meet up with half of what you want in a man. If you do, good for you. You're almost there.

Mr. Right doesn't have to be that glamorous and breathtaking image you have reeling in your brain for years now, he might just be the ordinary guy on your street who greets you every morning with a smile. Or that colleague of yours you and your friends always make fun of.

Mr. Right transcends the physical appearance. He's not just someone who is compatible with you but someone who is WILLING to take the long walk with you.
Without knowing you mighty've met him but you might also be consumed with your expectations of him and failed to pay heed to his own expectations of yours.

Whoever you are Mr. Right, I'm ready to meet you...my clock is tickling and it isn't funny anymore....

Happy weekend to all ladies in the house!

JMAN5: Jesus is a god.

If Jesus is a god, so you believe in a small god then?

secondly, jews often refer to a representative of God almighty as God. this doesnt contradict my point either.

Example!

Jesus was a perfect representative of the invisible God. Jesus said no one has seen the God before. If he was that God, what sense would that word make?

It means God has revealed Himself to human through Jesus.

Lanrefahm: its never in our book dat prophet muhammad peace and blessing of God be with him have 20 wifes and married 9years old gurl,he married 11 wifes most of dem r widows

11 thank God you even admit that He married many wives with underage. Where Jesus married none. When Allah also said all the Prophets were given wife whereas Jesus and John the Baptist never married.

besides marry was 15 when he gave birth to jesus and solomon marry how many wifes?

See history, where did you get it from, the original book (Bible) or the refined version of Bible (Qur'an)?

I remember it is Allah who gave Mary the good tiding of a Son whose name will be Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary! So if Mary gave birth to prophet Isa at 15 is Allah who cause it.

As per prophet suleman it's Allah also who gave him wives, don't forget Jesus and Muhammed camparison don't derail the thread!

Lanrefahm: so u said God is d father of adam and jesus son of God so r u saying dat God ve two son?

If God having one son or two is your problem you continue as a slave because I'm also a child of God. Do you know how man Sons and Daughters God has now? We are many through Jesus!

Lanrefahm: Last bullet, u got absolutely no right to abuse or insult any messenger of God, jesus may God be pleased with him (A.S) and muhammad may d peace and blessing of God be with him are all prophet of God and dey should be highly respected.

Nothing like abuse here bro because those points are in your book.