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JMAN05: 1. John was stating how he was shown all that by inspiration.

Was John caught up into heaven in spirit or not?

2. Please how did I twist it?

By saying it's not their spirit.

3. what is wrong with spirit before person?

Tautology & Confusion!!!

NWT: 1 Peter 3:18-19 "....,He was put to death in the flesh but [size=14]made alive in the spirit 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,[/size]

Which spirit did Jesus went and preach to and where are the spirit? Remember Jesus was first made ALIVE in the SPIRIT.

arsenalwenger: Human spirit survives after death while the body goes back to soil..

Don't mind them all, they will reject anything relate to SPIRIT because they have made the fisrt mistake by calling Holyspirit an Active force of God. keep watching how they keep twisting the scriptures.

John who wrote the book of revelation was caught in SPIRIT while his body was in isle.

You can see how he twisted the story of Moses & Elijah talking to Jesus.

I'm reading from Jan 1 2014 watchtower back page now. There is sub topic title "What sort of person is God?" The first statement there is "God is an invisible SPIRIT PERSON"

why the word spirit before person?

lanrexlan: Yes.

Will you stop detailing this thread and allow better people to talk.

lanrexlan: [size=14pt]O ya,come and ban me.[/size]Prove your worth,Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Anam 6:159 -Verily,those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects),you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least.Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

The privilege you and your brethren are enjoying on this section should tell you who is on the Lord side.
Had it been it's your section you will have seen many hidden post/bans yet through this Jesus still gives room for a repentance.

Despite the critics christianity have face over the decades yet the word of God is still stand.

The Father loves the Son and He has committed everything into Son's hand. So Jesus is coming with power and glory to judge everyone as the Father has will.
So continue to fight for religion instead of you to save your soul.


Shalom!

Use less expensive toothbrush nobody will tell you when to change, it will tell itself at proper time. Best time teller!!!

macof: Lemme ask u about ur Bible figures
Did Abraham find Yahweh through Jesus?
Did Moses find Yahweh through Jesus?
Did David find God through Jesus?
All these men used their consciousness

The very first point you need to know here is how God begins to walk with man after the FALLING of the first man-Adam.
Before God called Abraham God Himself has this testimony about him(Abraham) "For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, [size=14]and they shall keep the way of the Lord....,[/size] Gen 18:19

Why God call somebody like Noah, Abraham? The answer is, is to fulfilled the promise He made when He curse Devil Gen 3:15.

Both Noah, Abraham, Moses, David were chosen for the promise to be fulfuilled and Moses, David, and past prophets were both foresee the coming of Jesus, His birth, death & resurrection. They all saw the glory of Jesus before they died.

That's why when Jesus died He has to go and preached to those who have died in disobedient starting from the flood of Noah till date for those who didn't know Him 1 Peter 2:18-19
Jesus Himself confirmed that before Abraham exists He Has been in existence.

5. I disagree, how have u known ur purpose through christianity? How has ur destiny been reviled to u? By the holy spirit? Or by consciousness? Do you use Oracles?

Through prayer to God and with the help of the Holy spirit since I have known Him.

7. You deceive urself here, you learn from them but don't believe them because you have found the true God. And wat have they found? False God?

Is believing and learning the same? The question should be what did I learn?

8. That is to say you used your consciousness to seek him but I see delusion because If you say God has revealed himself to you and many Christians because they worship Jesus. Then you indirectly saying non-Christian don't know God.

Many Muslim say God has revealed himself to them as the true God which the Koran has stated.
Now are this people lying?

What I want to make clearer to you for bring out this is that, if Jesus promised all those who believed in Him something and you find out the thing is true...then you should that whatever He says it will surely come to pass.

As for muslim, none of them can claim they have ever feel the presence of God, see vision, or God spoke to them. They only believe Quran is the word of God that you need to follow.

You may say I'm deluded but it's a testimony of myself "God has visited me personally twice in my room" that's I said seek God personally!

Shalom!

@Hisblud

That @Trogun's statement really got me sad. They're the one Apostel Paul is referring to here Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Yet they failed to look beyond.

This same Jws has propagated before that Jesus deserves to be worshipped, today they have reverted their statement.

My question is, What is the FATE of those who have subscribed to this doctrine before they died and now there's a new doctrine?

macof: Actually the true light of the world is Obatala, and I mean this very literally

Ok

Yes I support Evolution,.because I have studied the theory and studied my environment and Evolution is very logical.

The reason I referred you to that thread is believing evolution is real I.e human evolved from ape-like creature without any purpose and went ahead to say Obatala is the creator of mankind is illogical.

My spirituality doesn't stop us from thinking and using logic. It doesn't stop us from learning from other people
Yoruba spirituality doesn't directly talk about Evolution but that doesn't mean evolution is not real

Even Bible advised us to ask for wisdom, meaning God doesn't want us to die in ignorance. I love science more than many Athiest on this forum yet I'm still a christian....do you know why? because I have found God beyond written and logic through Jesus Christ. I usually say if not because God manifests Himself to me today I will be one of those attacking any religion too.

You see we humans should learn from each other, Christians don't have all the answers, Islam doesn't have all the answer neither does Ifa Orisha.

100% agree with you
but the word of the creator Himself has done a lot about it.

Yorubas always say something like "Ifa is an unending bowl of knowledge, it takes more than one lifetime to fully understand the universe"

Yeah! But my question is since Eledumare also interact with His creations especially man, why do we carry out unending research by instrument find Him? Why can't we just say ok we only want to know much about our universe but He exists?
Yet when the find out that He exists they deny Him being God...ROM 1:18-20

Do u know why u are alive? I mean why u came to earth? Wat ur destiny is?

Absolutely yes!

Yorubas know this for themselves through Ifa, but Ifa would not do our Job for us.

Likewise in Christendom

I want to develop my soul and go back to Eledumare fulfilled knowing that I won't have to come back to this horrible world.

Wonderful, likewise me too.
But to you what can you say about EViL i mean its origin? And do you mean some people will still come back here after their death and on what point/criteral will they come back?

All the lessons I am to learn in this life would be forever imprinted on my soul.
And I can't learn properly by dwelling on one source, I am pagan but I learn from Islam, Atheism, Science and many other forms of mental and spiritual inclination.

I do the samething but just to have clue not to believe on the because I have found the true God.

So I am not confused to believe in Evolution, I have looked into it and I have seen it's logic. I am not a puppet of Science, I don't even subscribe to Darwin's exact theory of evolution I have mine.

That is good I don't need to discard your notion on this.

I have gone deep in christianity I know a lot of things ur early church fathers have hidden from you. I can't return to christianity NEVER!

If you know me I will say you won't have said this but not withstanding I'm a type who doesn't live a live base on them say them say if not I would've become like you but I took my time and asked myself, am I not being decieved? But I seek God PERSONALLY and God revealed Himself to me.

many of you Christians believe only you know the right way, only you are holy and meant for heaven.

Actually you're right to some extent. I will give my reason below.

I don't think like that
And I don't believe Jesus is anything more than a prophet who taught love and peace.

One thing is this, Jesus said those who believe in Him out of their belly will a river of life flows out(which this signifies the Holyspirit). Now if I have the evidence of Holyspirit today, it means Jesus word is always true. so I believe this is one of the things many have seen to made them claim that your statement above.

Infact I was inspired by your post for the first time and I appreciate that. Kudos!

You can do this little exercise tonight, try to be alone around 10-12am when know one will disturb you and begin to reason many way you've sinned against God with a humble heart then ask for forginess in Jesus name after then ask God to fill you with His Holyspirit and see what will happen. Remember you must pour out your mind in a humble way by realising that you're a sinner.

TroGunn: Seems a pretty poinntless thread, not worth the time of any serious JW - dig up 80-years and older views of JWs which they have corrected and do what exactly?

So you believed not recognizing one doctrine from onset signifies a true message from God?

[size=14pt]JW (starting out as Bible Students) never claimed to be infallible - admitted severally to having wrong expectations and understanding before. They was a time they saw nothing wrong in smoking, celebrating birthdays and Christmas. As understanding of the Bible grew, they came to realize these practices and expectations were wrong and they promptly adjusted.[/size]

SHM seriously!
simple questions with an honest answer,
*what is the FATE of those who accept and live their lives according to this doctrine then?
*who now told them to change the teaching?

Really no different from Christ disciples who at one time thought that Christ would establish his kingdom at the time. ( Luke 19:11, Acts 1:6,7). Peter for a while just couldn't grasp why Jesus would have to die (Mark 8:31,32). Eventually he did

Comparing this with what JWs have passed through is a great delusion.
None of the Jesus' desciples fully undestand Him not until Jesus was exalted and the Holyspirit was given.
So it means Russell didn't have Holy spirit before he declared himself as a Jehovah witness.

You can't fault JWs willingness to continue to dig into the bible for better understanding. Like the noble Bereans, "with great eagerness and [they] examine the Scriptures every day", and make adjustments as necessary (Acts 17:11).

What are the adjustments they made in the scriptures after they've studied the teaching personally?

The question is, are you willing (like Christ disciples of old, Bereens, JWs) to adjust your viewpoint based on greater understanding of the scriptures? You should try it - much better than holding on to teachings/traditions of men and being obsessed with what JWs have moved on from.

Yes of course!
The question is, are you still leaving a confuse life like Russell?

macof: Obatala is the creator of mankind and is credited with many aspects of creation.

This your statement really makes me SHM for you.
You left the true light which is in Christ Jesus entered into a confuse state.

You claim here that Obatala is the creator of mankind yet in one thread where a church to submit apology letter to Dawkins for rejecting evolution....you made it clear that evolution is REAL.
Is this not a total confusion and wrong choice?

Jesus loves you....it's never too late to make a U-turn

Shalom!

Kyase: Then who is JESUS before his birth?

The word

Jws we need your attention on this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1533426/jehovahs-witnesses-say-arc-angel-micheal#19826994

Shalom!

Yooguyz: In the fifty years between 1880 and
1930 there were five changes as to who Micheal was

1. An Angel that worships Jesus

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship
him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is
not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He has "by inheritance obtained a more
excellent Name than they.""
Zion's Watch Tower 1879 Nov p.4

2. The Pope and Antichrist hehehe...

"Michael and his angels"--the papacy and its supporters--fought against the dragon--
pagan rulers, etc.,-- and the great dragon was cast out of heaven.
Zion's Watch Tower 1879
December p.6

3. Michael was the pre-human Jesus Christ

"Can it be that he who was called Michael--Jehovah's chief-messenger--was none other than our Lord in his pre-human condition? we conclude that HE
must have been "chief
messenger." " Zion's WatchTower 1883 June p.3

4. The Pope again

"Michael.--- "Who as God," the Pope." The Finished Mystery 1917 p.188

5. Jesus in heaven

Since the 1930's Michael is explained to be the heavenly name for Jesus.

"For many years Jehovah's Witnesses have taught that Michael is a heavenly name for
the only-begotten Son of God,who was named Jesus while on
earth." Watchtower 1984
December 15 p.26

Those group of clowns Governing the Watchtower Society demonstrate that they have no idea as to how
to interpret Revelation.

OP thanks for this beautiful post.
JWs God will forgive you and show you the Light through His Son Jesus.

slye: if you're going to call a book holy, then it must be free of errors, contradictions and controversies. since holy means its from God and you don't expect God to make mistakes, do you?

If you have been on NL since 2008 yet you can still make this statement then something is wrong somewhere.
For best consience clear since you still have google on your phone, quickly type "contradictions in Bible" I believe over 500 articles that have dealt with it will display.

Shalom!

JMAN05: This will help you. 1 cor. 8:5

Another story, the next verse says and there is only one God. The verse you recommended used "gods" in any versions whrreas in verse 6 they used "God"

Did Thomas call Jesus gods or God?

God's spirit is the same thing as His active force. Active force tells you what the spirit is, not a person but a force.

So you believe God put His active force in Jesus?
if we should insert the word in that Isaiah 42:2.
Now how this inanimate force help Jesus to achived all His mission?
Finally, do you agree that the word "spirit" means only force?

safarigirl: does the job in Lagos come with accommodation? Does the job in Abuja come with a car? What is the distance from the house to the office in Abuja? Will there be available water or you'll have to buy water? Bros chill before rushing cuz of the input of a few. Transport and feeding are high in Abuja, you could exhaust 70k in 2 weeks sans rent here.

Do you live in abuja?

Olyboy16: can you please explain what you mean by "it shows in your write up"? Cos i've not criticised xtans in favour of muslims, i only stated our beliefs and facts.

You made this statements;

but the only thing dat makes we muslims different is the fact that we dont think we cant pray to God directly without calling jesus and we dont thank or praise anyother God or prophet or spirit except almighty Allah (S.W) wu created the jinns, prophets(including jesus nd his miracles nd his death nd his destiny), the angels and everything that has a name or not!!

it would've even been better not to talk than this scrap.

again, the question is absurd...and 1 question is, what is the difference between christians and jews?...and i'm not a jew and so i cant speak against or in favour of them as i dont know much about their belief and ways.

Wonderful, you don't know about Jew but your Quran says something about them. Use it as an assignment to gain more knowledge.

you see..this a big blunder on the side of xtians! The quran does not contain stories or citations from men, it contains only the strict instructions and reminders of God's oneness and magnificience.

Clap for yourself,
What about the story of Noah, the suction of Egyptians in the red sea, Jonah in the belly of fish e.t.c? Are they true life stories or fiction which made it a story from men? Of which Quran also narrated these same stories but in another way totally different from the one in the Bible.
Finally, the birth & death our Lord Jesus which has been prophecied many years before it happened was also different. Hmmmmm

again, God has instructed mankind his preffered ways and manners of praise and worship..for conformity of the islamic way to worship, father abraham kneeled with his face on the ground most times in prayer, he made this posture of prayer when he needed dire attention from Almighty God. David worshiped God and God alone, he danced to God alone, prayed to God alone, so also moses, so also abraham, so also jesus(whose parabolic words have been constantly misinterpreted to the favours of xtians), and job and all the prophets before them in the bible; so do you think the one God of then is not the same God of now and the same on the day of judgement? Surely, he neva changes...

You agreed Abraham kneeled down, Moses and others served God alone like Moses and others also shout hallelujah....since what they do is what you're still following and you believe Christian serve the same God, do you also forbid shouting hallelujah in the mosque?
I will ask you again, who is serving another god apart from God Almighty?

terrorists act on their own ignorance and selfish interests and not on the true plight of islam

I can see a great conscience disturbing you. Did I ask you about terrorism?
My simple question is while war? Since God help the Isrealite to conquer thier promise land. Did any prophet i.e Isaiah, Jeremiah, Job, Jonah, Jesus e.t.c preach any war? Why the same God who preached so much love through Jesus Christ now change by preaching Holy war.
Thank God you admit that those past christian were acting according to their own knowledge not what the Bible really teach and none of them derived their inspiration from our Lord Jesus.

so also jesus(whose parabolic words have been constantly misinterpreted to the favours of xtians),

Lemme ship in this, if not that Muhammad lacks scriptures knowledge he wouldn't have composed his book and claimed it's being revealed by God. He said Jesus fulfilled what was written in Torah and prophets, the question I'm beg muslim to answer is this; what are those things written in Torah and prophet that Jesus fulfilled?
Now you said Christian misinterpreted the words of Jesus, do you think what Jesus claim during His time was fabrication? The secret behind it beyond Muhammad himself sorry to say this as an illetrate it really shows in quran. The Birth, Death and Resurrection of Jesus was prophecied from Genesis to Malachi.....can such word be misinterpreted? Answer it yourself!

The taurat was first inscribed on a stone by God himself, but moses(A.S.W.S) broke it and had to rewrite it himself for days without food under God's instructions...so also was the quran revealed to prophet muhammed(S.A.W) and written down as its been revealed...

This shows that you lack historical background, taura or Torah was referring to "the First-Five book of the Bible" written by Moses. It's only the Ten commandments that was inscribed in a stone which is in Exodus. The whole book of Genesis was a revelations. While the other four books contian history as well as God's word.

Who help Muhammad wrote them down, I thought you said he can't read nor write?

I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life know one get to the Father except by me", you do realise this phrase has a lot of meanings and i would not go into this...

Of course it will have different meaning to you but the statement is very.
*Jesus is the only way to heaven in other to be with God
*Jesus is the life everlasting
*Jesus is the true Messiah the Son of God(God reincarnation)


Shalom!

dorox: I thought that the wages sin pays is death.

No No No! the only wages sin pays is TAX

hisblud: JMAN05 you seem to insinuate that am dodging your question on angels... note quite... this is what you asked and how i answered

From the above, you asked what is the hebrew word for angels and human when they are refered to as "gods"?

angels in hebrew is refered to as malak but when angels are referred to as "gods", they are called [size=18pt] mee'2lohiym [/size]

Human (man) is aadaam but when man is referred to as "gods", they are called [size=18pt]'2lohiym[/size]

But only YHWH is referred to as [size=18pt]Elohim [/size]

Now that i have shown you that [size=18pt] Elohim is used only for YHWH, [/size] why did thomas according to your NWT referred to Yahshua as "My Lord and My God" ...

And My God in that verse is Elohim.
May Thomas look at Jesus and said my Lord and look up and said My Elohim. So that we can go to the original manuscript to change the verse like this "And Thomas after he has looked at Jesus he said to Him my Lord and then raised his eyes up and looked into heaven and said My Elohim"
OR out of fear Thomas said to "Him My Lord and My God" so that we can change it again.

@JMAN05
Please NWT says in Gene 1:2 that the God's active force(which other versions use "spirit of God" was moving upon the the deep"(we all agree that JWs believe that Holy spirit is an active force of God.
Your book also agreed that God will put "His spirit on Jesus"(which is also the same Holyspirit) Isaiah 42:2
Now John 3:34 your book also agreed that God gave Jesus spirit not in measure!

My questions are,
*why do they use [size=14pt]active force for Spirit of God in Gen[/size] and use ordinary spirit in Isaiah & John?
*what kind of spirit did God put upon Jesus?

Pls don't post any link.

Shalom!

You really miss road try to copy your work and repost it in Islam section.....because the write up is meant for Muslims not Christains.....then if you think is meant for Christians kindly change the heading to "Why Christians should stop argue with Muslim"

Olyboy16: ***this post does not in any way mean the poster has any negativity towards christians in any manner. It is just an expression of the poster's thoughts in mind of the recent cancellation of islam in angola and the hot argues goin on..if this post annoys you, simply stop reading and ignore***.

You don't have nagetive mind towards Christians yet it shows in your write up that you do

"facts about islam and christianity"

On what did you base thess your facts?

We muslims and christians worship the same almighty allah(S.W)(or God-english)

Clap for yourself, first Muslim I will ever see to claim Christian and Islam serve the same God. What of Jew, are you serving the same God too?
No wonder the stories in the Bible is far differ from the one in the Quran.

but the only thing dat makes we muslims different is the fact that we dont think we cant pray to God directly without calling jesus and we dont thank or praise anyother God or prophet or spirit except almighty allah (S.W) wu created the jinns, prophets(including jesus nd his miracles nd his death nd his destiny), the angels and everything that has a name or not!!

Since they are serving the same God try and shout Halleluyah in musque afterall it has nothing to do with the name of Jesus.
So who is praising another god instead of the God Almighty?

So if christians say they are the best pls...

Error!!! no Christian will ever tell you this, is your conscience judging you? They will only say accept the only one who has come to save you and I from sin and will still come back to judge you and I for those who failed to believe He has come.

dont argue..infact, its nt appropriate of a pious muslim to argue wif christians who dont even acknowledge or knw a book that contains only the words of almighty God!!! Alone and prefer to read an hadith(bible) [size=14pt]which consists of words from mortal men nd which were meant to serve as a GUARDIAN (nd a reminder of allah(S.W)'s existence, oneness nd power ever b4 their generations were born) not a book of salvation, divine uniqueness and supreme ordersity as they claim.[/size]

Yet you claim you don't have a negative mind!
The incosistence in the statement above is this; you claim Quran is a word of God alone...on what did Allah write the book before He sent it to Muhammad? your answer will be No, but He recite it. Now simple question, How was Moses received the Torah from Allah & the Gospel of Jesus(even though He didn't write any)?
Again you said Mortal men.....and not a book of salvation......is Muhammad and Angel?......now tell what is salvation and how the past generations obtain salvation?

purely nd truely christian of high knowledge know this truth they only seem to hide it from others so as to keep the integrity of their churches...

who is deceiving who?

and as a mata of fact i believe in isa(A.S.W.S)(jesus) as a prophet, his gospel, his life and his teachings; nd even the bible for God has ordained us to get as much knowledge as we can and believe in the holy books..

Another excuse, you believe His gospel but you reject Him when He said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life know one get to the Father except by me" I guess they added that verse right?
You also believe in His gospel, do you know the meaning of Gospel? No! it simply means GOOD NEWS, so what it is the good news you believe about Jesus?

but i dont believe another name is worthy of calling, praising or thanking except almighty Allah(S.W) for help, seeking refuge, thanking and guidiance and also i dont think any book or reference is or can be greater than the direct words and guidiance of God(Al-quran) himself!!!..

No name has been given under the sun that man can be save than the name of Jesus.
Allah gave Moses the Torah is not also direct word from Allah?

Those are the true and clear meaning of islam..completeness, absoluteness and PEACE for "righteous believers" (not terrorists nd hypocrites) ..

I like them all but the book itself didn't potray all.

Now the only spot on islam seems to be the 'sects' nd terrorists who claim to be muslims...

It's real pity on them and they are embarrasment to Islam, infact the unbelievers now preached LOVE than all believers.

pls nd pls these people only saw the jihad wich is meant solely for holy wars and fights IN THE COURSE OF ALLAH(S.W) and took it as a vulnerability.. By d phrase "IN THE COURSE OF ALLAH(S.W)" i mean fights and wars with proper, righteous and Godly reasons, reasons that will sound sane even to christian..

Why war in the first place when the whole world need peace?

these sects nd terrorists mostly dont av these geniuine reasons..

Quran says they should kill unbelievers anywhere they find them, I think that's the reason.

they only fight and kill for thier own selfish and evil reasons while hiding under the cloak of the words islam and muslims....

No they don't but has been read in the Holy book, though it might not be to this extent.

i dont blame christians most times because they dont knw wat the jihad means or how it works so they mostly think these sects are performing holy jihad..NO! is the answer..believing in the oneness of allah and wearing shorter trousers(the reason 4 dis wil b made known to non-muslims on the day of judgement) does not signify or support terrorism...i rest my case

You have tried but try to know how to inspire not how to castigate!



Shalom!

truthislight: The word 'Hell' is a pegan latin word that crept into the bible during translation to latin.

The bible writers are all Jews and the laguages used in writing the bible are:

OT = Hebrew language.
NT = Greel language.

Those two languages dont have the word 'Hell' in it.

Hence, the word hell and its meaning is foriegn to the Jews/bible writers.

The Idea of Hell is of the pegan latin people.

The word 'Hellfire' is not in the bible.

The word hell was used in translation to replace the word grave in the bible.

Peace

You're wrong!

The word hell as being used in both OT & NT is different.
In the OT=Grave (position of death)
In the NT=Hade (a brim of fire)

Anywhere hell appears in OT it means a position of death whereas in the NT it means brim of fire.

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Ever Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace (of God) Be Upon You, everyone.

All Praise and Gratitude are due to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds.


Salaam Emusan.

Greetings from our Lord Christ Jesus in whom all the fullness of Godhead dwell. May His holy name remains forever bless.

Shalom DevotedOne

I noticed it, and here is the clear statement of Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH]. [size=14pt]He PBUH, does not ever, deny being Messiah.[/size] However, He PBUH, was sent only to the Children of Israel; isn't this correct? Now look at the following verse:

See following; It is a clear statement that Prophet [size=14pt]Jesus PBUH, is not "that Messiah," that is sent to the whole world:[/size]

[size=14pt]Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah.[/size]

These above statements are from you.

No need to talk much, only people like you still live in this kind of state. As you said earlier you don't believe all the written of this gospel, if we should explore the gospel to the bricks we will descover that only part that negate your claim is the one you will reject.

Remain bless bye for now.

Shalom!

[quote author=Ijele-igbo]Yes! The Bible recorded our God is a Jealous God!![/quote]I hope you didn't take my post as an abuse to Christian.

JMAN05: 2. bro finish that verse na, that He is a jealous God. that is what that verse is saying, NOT that jealous has become a name to which you call God. I wander who referred to God as jealous in the bible before.

What did I leave behind in that verse?
Blind fellow, I thought you know your Bible very well before ...mtcheeeee

NWT: Exo 34:14 "For you must not postrate yourself to other gods, [size=14pt]because Jehovah, whose name is jealous. Is a jealous God[/size]

Was Jehovah called jealous here or not?

God demands exclusive devotion. not sharing worship with anyone. that is the message

Who are you worshiping apart from God Almighty?

italo: Hmm! So there are "essential" and non-essential doctrines.

You meantion that Christ's death and resurrection is the essential doctrine, meaning all other doctrines of Christ are non-essential.

Where did Jesus tell you this?

Abi are you teaching from you own wild imagination?

What I've discovered in you was that you always fought a fight of carnal doctrine rather than allowing the word of Christ dwell in you richly. Which is too bad for a real follower of our Lord Christ Jesus.

Has it's been stressed out in the Op, the problem lies on people like you who always fight "my Church is better than yours"

This is what Apostle Paul was trying to say in
1 Cor 3:10-15 AMP "According to the grace (the special endowment for my task) of God bestowed on me, like a skillful architect and master builder I laid [the] foundation, and now another [man] is building upon it. But let each [man] be careful how he builds upon it,

[size=14pt]11For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is [already] laid, which is Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).[/size]

12But if anyone builds upon the Foundation, whether it be with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,

13The work of each [one] will become [plainly, openly] known (shown for what it is); for the day [of Christ] will disclose and declare it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test and critically appraise the character and worth of the work each person has done.

14If the work which any person has built on this Foundation [any product of his efforts whatever] survives [this test], he will get his reward.

15But if any person's work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire."

According to these scriptures have you ever asked yourself some simple questions like;
*Am I truly on Christ's foundation?
*What are those things I have made to know about Christ when I first begin and what have I found new in Christ lately/recently?
*Am I truly interpreting the scriptures accordingly or based on what I have made to believed? e.t.c

Bro. This race is a personal one not in respect of our parents nor pastor/Rev/Bishop

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the swift fellowship of the Holyspirit be with us all.

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

In the name of our Lord Christ Jesus, may He shine the light of his word into everyone.

It is likely that the above John 1-21-26 never occurred. See following; It is a clear statement [size=14pt]that Prophet Jesus PBUH, is not "that Messiah," that is sent to the whole world:[/size]

It would've even better to hold your peace than to make the bolded statement because it shows that you don't read your Quran.

Chapter 42
Then the disciples wept after this discourse, and Jesus was weeping, when they saw many who came to find him, for the chiefs of the priests took counsel among themselves to catch him in his talk. Wherefore they sent the Levites and some of the scribes to question him, saying: "Who are you?"

Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah." They said: "Are you Elijah or Jeremiah, or any of the ancient prophets?" Jesus answered: "No." Then said they: "Who are you? Say, in order that we may give testimony to those who sent us." Then Jesus said: "I am a voice that cries through all Judea, and cries: "Prepare you the way for the messenger of the Lord," even as it is written in Esaias;." *

They said: "If you be not the Messiah nor Elijah, or any prophet, wherefore do you preach new doctrine, and make yourself of more account than the Messiah?" Jesus answered: "The miracles which God works by my hands show that I speak that which God wills; nor indeed do I make myself to be accounted as him of whom you speak. For I am not worthy to unloose the ties of the hosen or the ratchets of the shoes of the Messenger of God whom you call "Messiah," * who was made before me, and shall come after me, and shall bring the words of truth, so that his faith shall have no end."

Thank God that you are the one who said that you solely believed so much about this so called "gospel of Barnabas" [size=14pt]now see the reason you need to reject this false gospel yourself unless if you want to continue to hide under delusion.[/size]
the gospel claimed that Jesus rejected being the messiah, [size=14pt]of which Qur'an itself confirmed Jesus as the Messiah Sura 3:45[/size]
You said it earlier that the authenticity of Quran made you choose the only undiluted part of the gospel, now is it Qur'an that is correct or gospel of Barnabas?

I guess you didn't notice this before you paste it.

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom!

JMAN05: Not "I am" BUT "I am who I am". Ex. 3:14 NIV. Dont remove one "I am" nor remove the "who", if not, you are no longer talking about the name.

[size=14pt]I wonder where you saw jealous as a name.[/size]

See you I Am means "Me" now if you want to understand it better "Me that is Me" this simply means beside God no one again.
And Jesus said "....before Abraham was..."Me"...."

@bold-Bro read Exodus 34:14

JMAN05: NWT has not been there then.

Sorry for deviating from the Op or your point, I don't mean any harm.

I need your respond on these questions;
Do JWs believe in Jesus as the saviour?
Do JWs believe in the death of Jesus?
Do JWs believe in the second coming?

Just want to know doesn't have anything with this thread.

Shalom!

lanrexlan: A brainwashed tree??

Don't tell me you're taking this word literal? If you do that's a serious issue.

Where are they selling spiritual wisdom to explain those glaring contradictions in the bible please?

Just by asking God for His Holy spirit through Christ.

They are doing great,Alhamudulilah.

Glory be to God Almighty who has given us salvation through His Son.

Miss them seriously, I wonder why they didn't show up on this thread!

lanrexlan: Fun? You said Jesus is not of this world,I asked you if he was from Jupiter and you were like LOL.Is he from Jupiter or Venus?

Your answer is in that scriptures which I gave to you, read it with humble mind not with arrongance

I'm just using that as an example.

Alright sir.

Thought as much.

Abi nah, I only know about IFA and orunmila....lolllll

Na wa o,innocent tree cursed for nothing and yet innocent people will rot in hell for nothing.What kind of salvation does 'Jesus' have for you? Salvation through curse[Galatians 3:13]?

Yes, all the brainwashed innocent.
As you understood the verse.

Lol,how can Mikel has the spirit of Okocha in him? Re-frame it,Mikel is playing in the spirit of Jay Jay Okocha means Mikel is Okocha's alike and have got qualities of Okocha not Okocha himself and Mikel doesn't have the spirit of Okocha in him.
Having the spirit of someone is reincarnation,get that into your goddamn brain and keep twisting the bible to suit yourself.
What's he saying? The verses you gave talked about Moses and Elias appearing to 'Jesus' on a mountain.'Jesus' said Elias has already came but people don't recognize him.Which Elias was 'Jesus' speaking to again on the mountain? Forget it self.

Why will I forget it?
Since you believe John is reincarntion of Elias, you are still asking me again which Elias was Jesus speaking with? See how shallow your knowledge is about scripture!

Mr flowing with holy spirit,keep quiet please.It's just a simple explanation.
We know the bible contains contradictions that can never be solved till eternity and that's why people find it very hard to accept it as 100% GOD's word.

I've been explaining it since, get spiritual wisdom man. Those things you count contradictory will clear off your brain.

'Jesus' is an alien and not human abi?

Check those verses again John 3:31-36

Explain to us that John knew who 'Jesus' was.

No time to waste man.

You've got nothing reasonable to say again.Quit whining and stop wasting my time if you can't provide where John was a sinner which I asked for.Don't tell me to read what John says about 'Jesus',I know that before.I repeat Give us verses from the bible that calls John the baptist a sinner.Very simple.

If I give you the verse(s) I know it will still be the same Old story and things have change, Emusan has change toooo. so you now you wont get anything because the assignment I gave you, you failed to carry it out.....

Where is Mahdino and Udatso quite being a long time?


Shalom!

lanrexlan: It's a question na.

Actually I thought you just made it out for fun.

Rubbish again.
What do you know about spirituality? When christians can't refute a certain muslim,then they say he lacks spiritual knowledge.When some christians I know of failed to explain trinity [How 1+1+1 can equals1],then they will say you lack spiritual gift.What's spiritual about knowing that One is one&sum of one in 3places is 3?
He's Wheels,I picked it when he dropped it doesn't concern you.
Lwkmd,tree brainwashed? An innocent tree that doesn't grow on its own? I will soon ignore you again.

Don't bring the issue of Trinity into this in other to derail this thread.
I don't know anything about spirituality sir.
Yes the tree is brainwashed like many people as they are innocent but will still rot in Hell.

Yeah,you didn't deny both verses contradict,but you were contradicting yourself.
Imagine again,stop giving your own interpretation.John being given the spirit of Elias is different from John possessing Elias' attributes and qualities.

If you're a fan of a football take this perfect example, Mikel has the spirit of Jay Jay Okocha does it mean Mikel is the real Okocha? It left for you to decide.

How can Elias appeared to Jesus again?

Lemme help you because of your last point, read Matt 17:1-4. Anyhow you understand it, it's left for you. Then you will know how to compare spiritual with spiritual and that Bible is not a book like novel.

Was Elias' soul duplicated? Giving the spirit of someone means you are that person but in a new body[Reincarnation],you are the exact of the person[/b]in a new body.If John possesses Elias' attributes,then he's not Elias but [b]Elias alike and similar to Elias,not Elias himself.Read this.Matthew 17:10-13 (NIV) -The disciples asked him,Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?
Jesus replied,To be sure Elijah comes and will restore all things.But I tell you, Elijah has already come,and they did not recognize him,but have done to him everything they wished.
In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.The disciples realised that John was Elias,'Jesus' said Elias has come but they(the teachers) don't recognized him because he was in new vessel[John].
They were waiting for Elias and not Elias alike.Quit twisting the bible.

Anyhow you put it, this is the reason you need spiritual discernment to read Bible.

Mtcheew,answers ko answers ni.The contradictions in the bible remains for eternity,no solutions to it even from your revered pastors.

Thank God you know this,

Apply to this your silly statement.
This is stupidity,Human nature may be disturbing 'Jesus' and John.Is Allah(swt) a human? SubhanAllah,You are making silly comparison&expect me to address it? Allah says in the Quran Surah Al-Maidah 5:116- ...Had I said such a thing,You would surely have known it.You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours,truly You,only You,are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.Allah is All-knowing,he will ask when he already knows what Jesus will sat

I didn't apply the human to Jesus yet you include Jesus' name hmmmm
I know Allah knows All things because He is omniscient but the reason I related it to the case of John is what you stressed out in your last statement.....John fully knew who Jesus really was but John was in the prison when his desciples came to him. no much time to clear this point.

the greater problem with you.You can't comprehend my posts,always repeating the same thing.

Assignment for yourself

OK.

I can bodily tell you that no sin of John the baptist was recorded in the Quran.
Do the same by giving us the verses that called a sinner from the bible,I know of none.
Lol,it's like a lecturer teaching students in a classroom.The lecturer's Job is to give the lecture,if the students comprehend it or not is none of his business. [size=14pt]Yours is to give the verses,if we accept or decline is none of your business[/size]

Of course it's my own effort and precious time which is my business.

@bold
This statement makes me give the above verses and the this one.

Read this scriptures of John the Baptist's statement about Jesus which I know it won't have a place in you lest the light of Gospel will shine on you.
John 3:25-36, pay attention to verse 31-36
This also answer your first question


Shalom!

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the swift fellowship of the Holy spirit be with you.

Salaam Emusan.

Shalom Devotedone

[size=14pt]Yes. I suspect that Barnabas' gospel was tampered with.[/size] This is why I depend on The Noble Qur'aan's guidance in matters concerning the Gospel of Barnabas.

@bold- you suspect not that you have the evidence.
If I should just take it, how are you sure the one correlated with Quran wasn't tampered with?
who tampered with the rest, when was the book begin to change and why do they do such thing?

Note: I don't believe the gospel you're talking about but only show you your bias mind toward the rest of the book just to support your own claim.


Shalom!