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holypower: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9).

Thanks for this but is confession of Jesus as Lord and Saviour apply to both forgiveness of sin(s) and salvation?

Kindly put more light on this.

hisblud: For me this verse speaks an emphatic yes.

now based on this verse, i am saved to the uttermost.

Alright!

Now the question rises, if i sin (verb not noun), will i still be saved. This is where am still calling on The Rauch Ha Kodesh [Holy Spirit] for enlightenment.

Much alike @Op

But before then, i believe am saved to the uttermost, halleluyah, in otherwords forgiveness of ALL my sins (verb) have been forgiven according to the riches of His grace.

How can you relate forgiveness with salvation?

Thanks for your conttibution

F00028: my question was did he HIMSELF make the claim?
but if your answer is 'no' and all you have are the words of other people, then let's have it.

If Jesus didn't make such claim how will He fulfil the prophecy of Old Testament?

the word in the Qur'an is "injeel" (translated: gospel) and it is specifically God's revelations to Jesus Christ i.e "the gospel of Jesus" and NOT the gospel ACCORDING to mathew or luke etc.

We are saying the same thing!
Gospel simply means [size=14pt]GOOD NEWS[/size]

Which GOOD NEWS did Allah give Jesus and why Jesus message is called GOOD NEWS BOTH in Quran and Bible?
According to you let's substitute the meaning into your claim, [size=14]"the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ"[/size] what does it mean to you?

really? you know this how?

Let's through with Gospel first, I will tell you. Relax!

I want your say(s) on this topic, because I wasn't satisfied with the answer I got yesterday during Sunday School though time wasn't on our side to put more light on this question.

Most people said yes while some said no but no time for them to expressed themselves.....but is it true?

Remember Biblical support will do alot.

Shalom!

F00028: is that what the man himself clamed or what you ascribe to him?

He even revealed it thousand years ago before He was born through His holy prophets.

I wonder what the word [size=14pt]GOSPEL[/size] is looking for in the Qur'an.
Do much research on this word

The funny part is that Muhammad never knows Bible before He composed his book.
He made mistake about Psalm, Trinity, the Death of Jesus e.t.c

damike99: Why is there no similarity in what the Bible says about Jesus and what the Koran says?

Simply because Bible has been change many years ago even though we don't know who changed it and no evident of change in the early manuscripts.

See how these people give fake answer to a simple question

I believe person like Lanrex, Mahdino, Udatso can give more light on this pls.

true2god: @ loveroftruth, can an inactive force be lied to?

The holy spirit, according to JW, works like electric current, tornadoe, turbine wind, battery etc. So it's not animate but a force (or non living thing) God uses to carry out his actions.
From Act 5: 3-4, Peter asked Ananais and his wife y satan has filled their heart to LIE to the Holy Spirit. So my question now to you is this, if the Holy Spirit is a non-living thing, hw reasonable do u think it can be lied to. Can u lie to electric current, wind, battery etc?

I need u and JMAN05 help explain this verse. Can u lie to an active force?

Infact Holyspirit can speak.
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, [size=14pt]the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.[/size]

In this verse Holy spirit identified Itself as Jesus by saying "...the work whereunto I have called...."

It's Jesus who called Paul yet Holy spirit claimed to be the who called Paul.

JMAN05: wrong expectation of going to heaven in 1914, thinking they enterred christ reign in 1925. I dont think 1975 should be included. just like people overreacted. we thought that the number to reveive heavenly hope should be decreasing not increasing, but the opposite has often been the case. we are however, not dogmatic on that. there have been many changes in our belief as new light unveils.

our understanding that the gentile times ended in 1914 was fulfilled. our understanding that The UN will rise again was fulfilled. this prediction was made during the second world war, in 1942 this stand was taking during Bro Knorr's time. this prediction was the understanding of Rev. 17:8. so even when the League of nation fell, we asserted that it will rise again.

We dont subs
cribe to infallibility or inspiration.

See the English meaning of 'it'
pronoun
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an inanimate object, to an inanimate thing with no or unknown sex or gender.
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an animate entity of unknown gender.
[size=14pt]-Used to refer to oneself when identifying oneself, often on the phone, but not limited to this situation.[/size]
-The impersonal pronoun, used without referent as the subject of an impersonal verb or statement. (known as the dummy pronoun or weather it)
-The impersonal pronoun, used as a placeholder for a delayed subject, or less commonly, object. (known as the dummy pronoun)
obsolete relative That which; what.
noun (plural it)
-The person or people who chase and try to catch the other players in the playground game of tag.
(British) The game of tag itself.

So is Holy spirit a person or not?
@bold-It is very clear that these three persons are One.

hisblud: why are you denying your organizational stand now on issues? You claim that your organization must be d final authority since they are out to clarify the truth. So i cant be wrong in asking.

On the Spirit, you are wrong to claim the Spirit is an active force yet has a will of His own? Oh so the recent havoc in phillipine has a will of its own even tho its an active force? The Holy Spirit, whom you reduce to a common thing like tornados, is just a mere thing, i pity your belief, no wonder you are not christian but jw.

Btw you consider the Holy Spirit an impersonal active force abi? SMH

It was a hug mistake for any Bible's believers calling Holy spirit an active force of God. How can JWs clear this?

Supposingly, Mr. Right is to be someone who is perfect for you, who doesn't see your flaws, who will make your bed in the morning while you'll just relax as you might have made to believed.

THEN YOU OFTEN ASK!!!
How do I even get to know Mr. Right?
Will he have a deep sexy voice or a shrill voice?
Will he be rich and famous like Dangote or just an ordinary guy you pass by on the street?
Will he be a charming, confident guy or just that guy who sits by corner in a gathering with a creepy smile on his face?
Will he be a fluent speaker or do I need to shush his mouth each time he tries to speak to save myself from embarrassment?
Will he be a good kisser or someone who laps his tongue all over my face like a dog? Will he be any of these? Will he?

What if he just a lame boyfriend of yours who you can't imagine hanging out with?
But what if he is not what the movies, books and our parents made us to believe he is?
What if he is not that perfect, maybe just a human being with a flaws like YOU?
What if you're not yet right to be with Mr. Right?

Women are too deep with fantasies and I wonder why. Does it have anything to do with the way our brain works?
While ladies are busy trying to figure out who Mr. Right is, they should also evaluate themselves. Are you ready to meet Mr. Right? Is Mr. Right seeing you as his damsel in distress or are you just another Cinderella's step-sister he has to shove out of his way? Nothing wrong if you want the perfect guy but are you perfect yourself? Go through your checklist and see if you meet up with half of what you want in a man. If you do, good for you. You're almost there.

Mr. Right doesn't have to be that glamorous and breathtaking image you have reeling in your brain for years now, he might just be the ordinary guy on your street who greets you every morning with a smile. Or that colleague of yours you and your friends always make fun of.

Mr. Right transcends the physical appearance. He's not just someone who is compatible with you but someone who is WILLING to take the long walk with you.
Without knowing you mighty've met him but you might also be consumed with your expectations of him and failed to pay heed to his own expectations of yours.

Whoever you are Mr. Right, I'm ready to meet you...my clock is tickling and it isn't funny anymore....

Happy weekend to all ladies in the house!

JMAN5: Jesus is a god.

If Jesus is a god, so you believe in a small god then?

secondly, jews often refer to a representative of God almighty as God. this doesnt contradict my point either.

Example!

Jesus was a perfect representative of the invisible God. Jesus said no one has seen the God before. If he was that God, what sense would that word make?

It means God has revealed Himself to human through Jesus.

Lanrefahm: its never in our book dat prophet muhammad peace and blessing of God be with him have 20 wifes and married 9years old gurl,he married 11 wifes most of dem r widows

11 thank God you even admit that He married many wives with underage. Where Jesus married none. When Allah also said all the Prophets were given wife whereas Jesus and John the Baptist never married.

besides marry was 15 when he gave birth to jesus and solomon marry how many wifes?

See history, where did you get it from, the original book (Bible) or the refined version of Bible (Qur'an)?

I remember it is Allah who gave Mary the good tiding of a Son whose name will be Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary! So if Mary gave birth to prophet Isa at 15 is Allah who cause it.

As per prophet suleman it's Allah also who gave him wives, don't forget Jesus and Muhammed camparison don't derail the thread!

Lanrefahm: so u said God is d father of adam and jesus son of God so r u saying dat God ve two son?

If God having one son or two is your problem you continue as a slave because I'm also a child of God. Do you know how man Sons and Daughters God has now? We are many through Jesus!

Lanrefahm: Last bullet, u got absolutely no right to abuse or insult any messenger of God, jesus may God be pleased with him (A.S) and muhammad may d peace and blessing of God be with him are all prophet of God and dey should be highly respected.

Nothing like abuse here bro because those points are in your book.

Lanrefahm: If u want to hit a nail u start from d head, so start comparing jesus 1st from adam, dat is if u can even do dat

Comparing Jesus with Adam is the best option

--->Adam was made perfect, Jesus was born peefect.

--->God spoke to Adam directly, God spoke through Jesus' body directly

--->Through Adam sin entered into world, through Jesus the power of sin was conquered & destroyed in the world.

--->God was the Father of Adam, Jesus is the Son of God.

--->Adam never know sin until he disobeyed God and brought death upon man, Jesus never no sin and through obedient Jesus purchased everlasting life for all man.

--->God made Adam from the dust of the ground after he sined and God told him "out of the ground you were taken and there shall you return", God brought Jesus into the world through His word and Jesus returned back to where He came from.

God drove Adam out of the garden [his kingdom where man supposed to live] and put Angels in charge instead, Jesus ascended to His kingdom where all His followers will live with Him and Angels were ministered to Him.

Remeber Quran says "the case of Jesus is as the case of Adam"

macof: I want all Christians to state why they believe in Jesus, And give prove that Christianity is not a false religion created for political advantages by The Romans.

I want Christians to prove that Judaism(Israel's religion) is superior to Yoruba spirituality.

The reason for the above is because Christianity was formed from Judaic doctrines

I want Christians to prove that Jesus is the only son of God

I so much love this your question!
I believe in Him because the man who died about 2000years ago is still alive today. How did I know? Simply because He had revealed Himself to me which is the major evidence I have about. Initially I was born into a christian home but along the line I almost lost my faith as a result of rational thinking and more study of science but I thank God that He revealed Himself to me in due time, if not I might have been like some people here in NL. Like I always say I'm not a pastor but I'm a living testimony of God's existence and the my saviour Jesus Christ.

Shalom!

Pastor Olu T: God bless u bro for the summary, but I still how some find if difficult in seeing the differenc?

They can't because the veil still covering their face, lest the light of God shine upon them and remove it.

shdemidemi: None of all the above bro, it stopped about the time Paul was actually writing this epistle to this carnal church of Corinth.

You really disappointed me with this statement.
Anyway you won't be the first nor the last people who have misquoted the scriptures. No wonder why different doctrine keeps show face today in christendom.

What can I say at this perillius time 'than Father please keep reveal your word to your people.'

striktlymi: Now guys, lets be a bit practical... shall we? If you have a gun pointed to your 'temple' because of your faith, won't it falter?

This lead to the question, if heaven is real why Christians are afraiding of death? Simply because we don't know the kind of faith we have.
It happened to Stephen, The Three Hebrew Men, Daniel, most of the Apostle e.t.c.

But we Christian today have mind in material possession of this world which has polluted out Faith.

My prayer is God in His infinite mercy continue to guide our step right and strengthen our faith more.

Law Of Moses, The: Contrasted with the Gospel.

1. The law was intended for one nation--Israel (Exodus 20:1-17; Malachi 4:4); the gospel of Christ is intended for the whole creation (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15,16).

2. The first covenant was dedicated with the blood of animals (Exodus 24:6-8 ), the new covenant was dedicated with the blood of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:18,19).

3. The first institution was administered by frail men--the Levites (Leviticus 16:1-34; Hebrews 7:11-23); the second is administered by Jesus Christ, who was made priest, not by carnal commandment, but "after the power of an endless life" (Hebrews 7:16).

4. Circumcision in the flesh was a sign of the first (Genesis 17:1-14; Leviticus 12:1-13); circumcision in the heart and spirit is the sign of the second (Romans 2:25).

5. The law of Moses guaranteed to the obedient Hebrews temporal blessings (Deuteronomy 28:1-6); the gospel of Christ guarantees spiritual blessings to those who live up to its requirements (1 Peter 1:4).

6. The law of Moses guaranteed to the Hebrews the land of Canaan (Deuteronomy 30:5-10); the gospel guarantees eternal life beyond the grave to those who honor the Lord (1 John 5:20).

7. The law of Moses required obedience to the one true God (Exodus 20:1-5); the gospel emphasizes the Fatherhood of God (Matthew 6:9).

8. The law of Moses prohibited the people from taking the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7); the gospel requires that out communications be "yea" and "nay", declaring that everything beyond is evil (Matthew 5:37).

9. The law of Moses required the Hebrews to remember the Sabbath day (Exodus 20:8-11); in apostolic times, the people of God remembered the Savior in the feast that He ordained (Matthew 26:26-30; 1 Corinthians 11:23-29) on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

10. The law of Moses required children to honor their parents (Exodus 20:12); the gospel requires children to obey their parents in the Lord (Ephesians 6:1-4).

11. The law of Moses prohibited murder (Exodus 20:13); the gospel prohibits hatred (1 John 3:15).
- The law of Moses forbade adultery (Exodus 20:14); the gospel prohibits even lust (Matthew 5:28).

12. The law of Moses prohibits stealing (Exodus 20:15); the gospel prohibits stealing and requires benevolence (Ephesians 4:28).

13. The law of Moses forbade the bearing of false witness (Exodus 20:16); the gospel requires us to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).

14. The law of Moses prohibited covetousness (Exodus 20:17); the gospel requires us to do good unto men according to our opportunities (Galatians 6:10), and love our neighbors as ourselves (Romans 13:10)

Condensed Bible.....

Arcsniper: Pls fellow xtians, can someone tell me how to believe God exits.
I have been trying to believe that but it hasn't been possible,doubt upon doubt,as i keep reading the bible doubt keep getting stronger.
But am bent on believing Gods existence.Am forcing my self to believe God existence.
So someone should tell me how do i go about it.

Note:if you ain't a xtian please don't talk MUSLIMS are permitted to contribute

Whatever Jesus says will surely come to pass He's the only one that every little jot of His word will never fail. He said in John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, [size=14pt]and will manifest myself to him."[/size]

If Jesus said He will manifest Himself to those loved Him, do you think is lying? No! because He has manifested Himself to me and I believe He did so to many Christian who truly seek Him.

Once you open your heart wholeheartedly he will manifest Himself to you. Bible has a practical aspect not just only book.

shalom!

@ Op
I think it depends on individual because as for me my greatest vow on wedding day is this.
"If my wife fails to achieve her dreams in life, God ask ME for it"

OLAADEGBU: Did you see one when you looked at the mirror today?

Looks funny but the best truth....

Actually Jesus doesn't exist to those who didn't believe on Him but to those whom Jesus has redeemed from sin & death, He truly exists! Then you will know that there's more to what is written in the Bible because to me if most Christians depend on the written of Bible only, Christianity will be no where to be found again but Jesus whom you say is never existed keeps manifest Himself to people.
Christians don't serve a dead God or non-existed God. I'm a living testimony I have personal encounter with Jesus.....you can deny yourself about Jesus existence it doesn't change anything about Him because you're leaving under His grace.....have it in mind many theories, article debate have come and gone about Jesus just to disprove His existence yet He remains.... even when He was present on this earth people discard His saying...Mcaof you won't be the first and the last.
My prayer is God will shine His light on you and those who still doubting His existence.

Shalom!

OLAADEGBU: Why are you baring your teeth?

I believe he did so because of this one:"Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9). "

Frosbel will never agree with you though he can agree with the rest...

sarassin: There is an entire theology surrounding the "ascension" but it has nothing to do with pre-exisence, it has more to do with the form and substance of the Holy Spirwit.

You haven't gotten my point on this issue!
Lemme come again.......Pay attention closely to these phrases as there're being used in those verses....

Eph 1:3-5 3 "..who hath blessed us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:"
4 "According as [size=14pt]he(God) hath chosen us in him...(Christ)[/size]
5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ...."
That's why I asked you to read it from vr3-5. Notice the word "PREDESTINATED"!

Now on Jeremiah....[size=14pt]"Before I(God) formed thee(Jeremiah) in the belly I(God) knew thee....."[/size] the message here is as clear as crystal. God knew us before we were formed in the belly NOT WHEN WE ARE IN HEAVEN WITH HIM notice these two words "formed" & "in the belly".

Now see the statement of Jesus here because I can see you ignored the key point in that verse and hold on to "ascension".
John 6:62 "what and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up [size=16pt]where he(Jesus) was before?[/size]
AMP: inserted [to the place] after ascend up....my point on this verse is "where he was before" that's why I said earlier that Jesus fully knew where He came from and where is going. Both Eph & Jeremiah have nothing to do with pre-existence only if you decided to give them your own meaning.

About Jesus being a descendant of David it's something beyond this forum because I'm tired of typing & repetition.

That John 1:15 you also missed that same point I mean this phrase [size=14pt]"...for he(Jesus) was before me(John the Baptist)[/size] and remember John was BORN before Jesus....how come?


Shalom!

Sarassin: You should worry about your own basic English.
John 6:62 clarifies nothing ! As you well know this verse was so [size=14pt]utterly ridiculous[/size] that even his disciples walked away from him. (verse 66) Clearly early Jews knew nothing about a pre-existence.

SMH......did you mean Jesus' statement in that verse that make people to walked away from Him?
You have answer to your post already but I was only trying to show you the light of the scriptures.
Now to your misunderstanding of that CH. 6 the statement begins in verse 24 when Jesus begins to talk about "manner from heaven and then relate it to His mission" which the people failed to conceived with their spiritual mind, Jesus now says "whosoever eateth his flesh & drinketh his blood it's he that hath life in him" which made people say "this is hard saying who can hear it-verse60" immediately Jesus knew within Himself that the people were murmuring vr61...He then asked them are you people offended because of that....what then if you shall see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? vr62 Can you see what lead to that statement? And vr66 says from that time many of His disciples walked with him know more save the twelve. Read the whole chapter yourself from beginning.

In the time honoured manner of many a Christian before you and doubtless, many after you, you simply wilfully ignore the obvious. The context of the two verses I quoted earlier from Ephesians and Jeremiah are exactly the same i.e a "placement of pre-existence". If Paul says "God chose us in him....." then the same absurd argument can also be made that he was aware of a pre-existence since he was chosen "before the foundation of the world", the same goes for Jeremiah, it does not matter one iota who is speaking, but in the context of Jeremiah it is indeed God speaking to him. The awareness of pre-existence is not the issue here, but the fact of pre-existence

I've clarified my point. With the statement of that Ephesians I will like to ask you this question, did God know those who will make heaven or not?
Both the Ephessians and Jeremiah never claim pre-existence it only shows the ability of All-knowing God, it will be better you add vr 3&5 to that Eph to fully understand Paul's statement and for Jeremiah no doubt about that.
See John the Baptist's statement about Jesus' preexistence John 1:15 "NASB:John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”
John was born before Jesus how come John said Jesus existed before Him?

Though you have drifted away from the initial point of this thread I mean Trinity but both Trinity & Yehshua preexistence are well supported by scriptures but to you I'm quoting them out of context of which you never provided an actual meaning to those verses.

Sarassin: You are referring to John 17:5, Again, context is necessary, lets see;

Paul states; " God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him" (Ephesians 1:4) Therefore by your reasoning, if John 17:5 refers to the pre-existence of Jesus then (Eph 1:4) must by implication mean the pre-existence of the followers of Jesus, do you agree ??

The same language occurs again, here The Lord is referring to the prophet Jeremiah;

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jeremiah 1:5)

Do you also agree that Jeremiah Pre-existed his birth ? If you don’t agree in both cases what makes you think that the passage in John 17:5 refers to the pre-existence of Jesus, afterall, the language is the same ?

I wonder how some people treated ordinary basic English this days.....
"God chooses us before the world begins" does it relate with the statement of Jesus "I HAVE glory WITH you"/As a person did you know when God chose you? and again God is telling Jeremiah "before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"......was it God who is speaking or Jeremiah/did Jeremiah aware of his existence when God is about to form him? In case of Jesus He was fully aware of His existence before He came to earth....see what Jesus told people......John 6:62 "AMP What then[will be your reaction] if you should see the Son of Man [size=14pt]ascending[/size] to [the place] where He was before?
ESV: Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
KJV: What and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before?

In this verse you can surely see that Jesus fully knows where He came from and where He's going.
This verse alone clearified any argument about pre-existence of Yehshua!

Shalom!

Sarassin: Smoke and mirrors. You say where " the word of God" appeared "Jesus" would fit perfectly, but it amounts to a blatant and very common manipulation, the verse reads fine exactly as it and is probably what the writer intended until the Trinitarian crew came along working backwards trying to prove the pre-existence of Jesus.

Oh my God...I said substitude Jesus in the verse I quoted above now you've linked it with the whole Bible.....I said put Jesus in a place of the Word of God whether it means the literal word of God or not....

The book of John opens with the famous declaration, "in the beginning was the word......."
The Greek term translated "word" is Logos. It signifies the outward form of inward thought or reason, or the spoken word illustrative of thought, wisdom and doctrine.

Ok

John is teaching that in the very beginning, God's purpose, wisdom or revelation had been in evidence. It was "with God" in that it came from him; it "was God" in that it represented him to mankind [a similar expression is used by Jesus in Matthew 26:28: "This is my blood" i.e this represents my blood. This Word, Wisdom or Doctrine found its reality, its substance, its confirmation in the person of Jesus.

We are still trying to disprove each other.....

The person did not exist before the birth of the child Jesus, but the promise and wisdom of God always existed.

How come Jesus said He has glory with the Father before the World begins?

In John 1:4 it is fully acknowledged that "word" is personified as Jesus, but "personification" is a common early Jewish writing mechanism and occurs severally throughout the bible. The pre-existence of Jesus, like the trinity has no legs to stand on.

If you read that John 1:1-14 you will get yourself right better.....