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lanrexlan: He was from planet Jupiter abi?

Lollll

I'm not saying greater and sinless are the same.

OK

If 'Jesus' was sinless according to you[Which you failed to prove],[quote]So that I can waste my time in what you can't say OK, you're right!

[quote]then a man greater than him should be sinless too.
Take for example,Mr. A weighs 90kg and Mr. B weighs 55kg under normal circumstances.This shows Mr. A is greater than Mr. B and Mr. A can survive what Mr. B survives and even more.If Mr. B could lift a weight of 25kg with ease,will Mr. A not lift the same weight with ease? It's obvious,Mr. A is greater than Mr. B.
Similarly,if John the baptist is greater than 'Jesus' according to the bible and you said 'Jesus' is free from sins[You don't prove it].Then,do you expect John the baptist a man greater than 'Jesus' to be sinful? This shows John the baptist is sinless too.Do you get my analogue?

Poor analogous, we compare that which is spiritual with spiritual and physical with physical.

The least one in the kingdom of heaven may be greater than him,but he's greater than those born of women and 'Jesus' was also born of a woman.That's my concern here.

You can see how shallow your spiritual life isis.

Shut the Bleep!!!

You've picked it where WÉÉL dropped it.

Why did 'Jesus' cursed that fig tree when he knew the tree doesn't grow on its own and it isn't in its season to bear fruits? Why??

The tree is brainwashed like many people.....thats why!

Was that good enough?

Yes! Same way He will use His word to send those who failed to recognized Him to Hell.

You were busy talking about John the baptist being the reincarnation of Elias in one place and denied in another place.
You said again
This means John the baptist was Elias reincarnation according to your statement but it's like you don't know the meaning of reincarnation before spewing another rubbish.
Reincarnation means:Rebirth in new bodies or forms of life; especially:a rebirth of a soul in a new human body
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reincarnation
That means John the baptist was a rebirth of a Elias' soul,John was just a vessel.Then you came to spew this
Who's contradicting who? Jesus said John the baptist was Elias and John the baptist denied being Elias.
Who's lying? Was John the baptist so daft that he won't realise that he has the soul of Elias in him? Don't you know soul controls that body? Can two souls be in a single body? Who's wrong? 'Jesus' or John the baptist?

I said I didn't deny the two verses, is simple English hard for you?
Thanks for the break down but I know the meaning and I fully understood what I'm saying without contradicting myself.
For clear understanding about John being given the Spirit of Elias/Elijah....means John possesses all the attribute that makes Elias Elias but he is not the real Elias.....the real Elias &Moses spoke to Jesus when He took some of his disciples to the mountain to pray. I don't even know how to express myself again things of spiritual is too hard for non-spiritual mind to grap.

Another Fallacy,should I quote those verses and you that claimed to be filled with the so called 'Holy spirit' like those bible writers should interprete for us?

You don't need to dear, just type "contradictions in the Bible" on your search engine I believe roughly nothing less than 500 answers will be given to you by different site.

That Allah(swt) is not All-knowing? SubhanAllah.

I said apply your explanations to what lead to the reason of quoting those verses..hmmmmm

What are you saying? He brought up John the baptist because You said
This statement of yours confirms that John the baptist was a sinner,you've included him in the category of the sinful people.
Then,my brother asked
Then you said

The problem I always have with you is you don't take time to read my post which make it hard for you to digest..why why Lanrex?

Is Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, e.t.c sin or their sin recorded in the Bible? Assignment for you...
He askes me of John which I told him that [size=14pt]I don't have time to waste quoting for you in a book you term corrupt[/size]
Since this statement came from me, my expectation is for him to quote one or two verses either from the Word of God or his Holy book to show me see the reason while I'm wrong about John.....or he should forget about it......Simple!

you damn sure John the baptist was a sinner and we keep asking you to prove it.It's None of your business if we believe the bible is corrupt or not.At least,you as a christian believed your bible is 100% GOD's words.Then,prove John the baptist was a sinner at least from it and stop beating around the bush.

100% sure!
You can't tell me the Bible is corrupt yet expecting me to waste my energy and time explaining what I already know you have blocked your mind against. I'm not even expect this chat to last to this end because I'm trying to avoid such.

Shalom!

GeneralShepherd: I am an atheist, I dont believe in God because there is no proof and I don't care if you believe in Him.

There is a common perception that there must be “something more” to atheism than simply disbelief in gods because atheists so often debate theists. What’s the point of debating if not to convert someone to some other philosophy or religion? It is, then, fair to ask why atheists get involved in such debates and what they hope to achieve. Does this show that atheism is some sort of philosophy or even a religion?

Let's discuss please!!!

What a million question....
Atheist have been helping Jesus to separate the tears from the wheat (those who didn't know their stand in Christianity) and helping those who are weak to be strong.

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Don't mind me abeg, the dude is pulling a fast one, he hate to substantiate everything he say that's why I want to try his [size=14pt]knowledge of hebrew. Believe me if he were to repond his lazy response shall be something like "am not a hebrew" or "I ignore this".[/size][/quote]Try my knowledge in Hebrew....what a pity......Ask your fellow brothers about me using this word "SHALOM"

All your post that I ignored is to create a chance of enjoying more bit of this conversation because it shown in your post that you lack something.

Shalom

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

May the grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

Peace Emusan.

Shalom, DevotedOne

I do not see the response to this incident as being combative. The intention here, as presented to my mind, is one of calm, lack of stress, peacefulness.

Likewise me!

Yahya (John The Baptiste), is mentioned in The Noble Qur'aan. If it was at any time included, in Barnabas' gospel, [size=14pt]it may have been left out by one or more translators of the Gospel of Barnabas over the years.[/size] I cannot be certain regarding what occurred.

The only thing Quran said about John is that He confirmed the Word of Allah.......It didn't give the full detail of His mission.
@bold did my eyes see this or what?

Explain:

That Bible is corrupt.

I have rejected no other gospels. I accept what is truth in them, although I may ignore any interpolations.

So what are the things true in other gospels.....I guess when Jesus says "He is Son of Man"!

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom, Emusan

lanrexlan: How did you know 'Jesus' too never sinned?

Because He was not of this world

You are just going around circles,you failed to give us verses from the bible that called John the Baptist a sinner.You deliberately called him a sinner without scripture backings and said 'Jesus' never sinned without scripture backings too.
Matthew 11:11 (NIV) -I tell you the truth:Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Does GREATER and SINLESS the same? just want to know.

'Jesus' was born of a woman too,so if 'Jesus' said there's nobody greater than John the Baptist,then John the Baptist is greater than 'Jesus' and if you said 'Jesus' never sinned[You failed to prove it],then John the Baptist know no sin because he's greater than 'Jesus' according to this.

The verse you quoted also says " yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he(John)" what does this statement mean to you?

In fact,Is 'Jesus' sinless according to the bible? The bible says in
Romans 12:14 (NIV) -Bless those who persecute you;bless and do not curse.But we found 'the loving lord' cursing an innocent tree because the tree wasn't in its season of fruits and 'Jesus' was damn hungry[Mark 11:13-14]
.Then he rained woes on his people and call them different names like vipers etc[Matthew 23:13-29].Is this a sin or not?

Another carnal minded interpretation.

Seriously,I don't understand all these Elias you are just saying.'Jesus' said John the baptist was Elias and John,the baptist rejected being Elias.One must saying the truth and one must be lying.

Did I say these two verses were wrong? read my previous post again.

Which 'spirit of God' was then inspiring these men to write contradicting stories on the same issue?

To you it looks contradictory just because you don't have the same Spirit to give you the knowledge of what He has inspired this great men to put down.

Imagine this,will 'Jesus' meet everyone that ascribed the wrong things to him on earth when he comes back? Will he meet all those that worshipped him as a god besides Allah on earth when he comes back? He will meet a few of them and he will reject the claim of being a god besides Allah and on the day of Judgement when all creatures that ever lived on earth will be gathered,then 'Jesus' will be brought out as an evidence against those that worshipped him besides Allah.He will then cleared himself before the whole people that ever lived on earth by saying
Surah Al-Maidah 5:117 -Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say:Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them,but when You took me up,You were the Watcher over them,and You are a Witness to all things.Is this hard to comprehend?

Now can you apply the same to what lead to this part!

The burden of proof lies on you,you claimed John the Baptist was a sinner,then provide proofs for it and stop asking my brother to do that.

You jump into what you didn't start from the beginning......he was the first person who brought the matter of John simply because I said Jesus never sinned, so if truly he want to prove me wrong he would have quoted a verse from the Word of God or from Quran to tell me see why you're wrong. I made it clear that no time to waste on quoting from the Book he has totally rejected...yet he keeps asking me to prove myself

Shalom!

Fiery 230ft crater nicknamed the 'Door to Hell' baffles scientists after burning endlessly for 40 YEARS


With fiery embers glowing deep underground, it looks like a scene from an apocalyptic sci-fi blockbuster.

But this huge crater is amazingly a real-life phenomenon which has been flaming away for more than four decades.

The 230ft-wide crater, known by locals in Turkmenistan as the 'Door to Hell', has baffled scientists since it first appeared more than 40 years ago.

Originally a level surface, the site was identified by Soviet scientists in 1971 as an area that was believed to house a substantial oil field.

However, the ground beneath the drilling rig soon collapsed, creating a wide crater that was believed to be releasing large quantities of methane gas, a potential danger to the nearby villages in Derweze, Turkmenistan.


Scientists decided that the most efficient way to solve the problem would be to burn off the poisonous gases -- by doing so, it was expected that all of the gas in the crater would be burnt off within days.

More than four decades later, though, the crater is still ablaze with endless flames and boiling mud - and hundreds of tourists flock to visit it every year.

The Karakum Desert, where Derweze is located, has one of the largest gas reserves in the world. Turkmenistan hopes to up its exportation rate around 75 million cubic meters of gas in the next 20 years.

Will Keeping, a retiree from Buchlyvie, near Stirling, visited the crater last month.

Unaware of the Door to Hell's existence before he visited Turkmenistan, Will, 57, was told on his tour that the crater was one of the hundred most bizarre places to visit before you die.

Intrigued, he decided to ride across the bleak desert environment, not knowing what to expect.

Will said: 'During daylight, I was initially not impressed as it looked like a hole in a vast desert. As we got nearer and the glow from inside the carter became evident, though, I started to notice the size of the crater and wondered how could continually glow like that.

'As I approached on foot, it became clear that this was a large crater and that inside was like a huge open furnace. At first, it appeared that it might have been a natural phenomenon, but the sides of the crater contradicted that. I could see the bent and rusted remains of some sort of metal railings or structure, implying some sort of catastrophe having occurred long before.

'I stood there gazing into the crater, the sheer size and intensity of the fire inside became more and more apparent.

'As the sun began to set, the location slowly transformed from a large, isolated furnace in the middle of the desert into the centre of attention that dominated the surrounding area - the glow became more intense and lit up the area including the sky above. It was impossible not to be drawn to the crater, something that was just dominant over the surrounding area.'

RoyPCain: ^ Jesus has not been questioned, yet. The episode is a future [Day of Judgment event] matter told to the prophet [SA] over 1,400 years [time of wahi [revelation of the Quran]], ago.

You think I lack basic English niii? Simple question is hard for you to answer....
did Allah respond to Jesus statement or not?

Your encounter with Jesus is not with Jesus son of Mary [AS]

Another blunder from Muhammad...He said Allah gives Mary good tiding of a Son whose name will be Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..
ignore that messiah for now...let's talk about Jesus, son of Mary; this name was used right from inception till Jesus was took up even in Heaven.....is it that other prophets don't have mother so that their mother's name can be attached to their name?

Shaytan has deceived you. I am warning you to make a reverse, less you end up terrible without an end to the terrifying condition.

Imagine I'm deceived lollll.....I pray the light will shine on you.

Jesus [AS] is going to answer, exactly as Allah said. Allah shall confirm as He has stated after the statement of Jesus that which he has been programmed.

Did Allah respond to Jesus' statement or not?

If you don't get it, blame your language tutors; both english and edo.

Lol....for your information the conversation btw Allah and Jesus started from verse 109 so nowhere to hide for you.

[quote author=WHξξl]n has a reason to doubt the bible's authenticity, what you lack is sincerity that's why you are unable to admit the numerous discrepancies inside the trash in your possession, that's hypocritical dude.[/quote]Lemme just ignore this, for better conversation.

Regarding your allegation that John is a sinner I can plainly say the bible has never record the sin of john and you lied when you want to forcibly declare this pious servant as a sinner, seek Gods forgiveness while you still live

Then how do you know he never sinned? I guess you throw out some verses embrace some.
remove the mot in your eyes while beholding someone's else eyes.

Utter futility, false evangelism at its peak, are you void of the spirit? Is the spirit a carnal mind also? How unfortunate that the all knowing spirit dwelling in you can't substantiate a simple statement.

Do not blasphemy against the Holy spirit of God, the greatest sin ever without forgiveness....by Jesus Christ!

Statement like?

Do you even bother to ponder on the disaster you are creating?

As in...?

So the spirit has never tell John that he was the reincarnation of Elias?

Failed! John was not the reincarnation, can you see what I'm talking about? Carnally minded.
Just a brief, Jesus took three of His disciples to the mountain there Moses & Elias appeared to them....if John was Elias' reincanated how can he appear to them again? Then you will find out what did scripture means by Elias to come.

Are you this daft?

Lemme ignore this again!

Did John lie to God when he denied being Elias?

He didn't, ask for wisdom!

2 timothy 3:16 said "All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"... Why would God inspire John to lie?

I realise you need a Bible school teacher which time & phone won't permit me to do.
Just for simplicity, Bible was written from historical perspetive "means what happened in the history and men being inspired by the Spirit of God to write them"
is God inspire Abraham when he said Sarah is his Sister not his wife?
is God inspire Peter to deny Jesus trice?
then you will know you have a long way to go when comes to Bible.

Was john hallucinating? How pathetic! If john has really heard the voice and see the dove descending he will never contemplate to ask again. Again is the spirit responsible for this vivid piffle?

As stated above & below reply

Jesus has never ask people to worship him and he will declare, deny and clear himself from what they attribute to him. Allah is using him to stand as a witness against them and every prophet will stand as a witness to his people to testify of the message he was sent to deliver.

If thid statement is true, then why Allah need to send Jesus first to the earth in other to clear Himself from all the allegation ascribed to Him? maybe it means Allah is not all knowing or what can we call it?

Yeah, lying to John deliberately potrays you insane.. That's the logic behind the homily.. Depend that and stop cringing or backdown if you can't.

Lemme ignore this again

You don't have the balls to face my appeal that's why you are cowering, you lied to John when you said he was a sinner and you lied to your altered book when you say it reports John as a sinner.

Alright, but simple fact is I don't have to waste quoting the book you've totally rejected.
Well if you think I'm lying just provide an evidence to support your claim.

Shalom!

Uyi Ireyda: • From the perspective of other religions opposed to yours, even though your religion descended from theirs, or theirs from yours. A good example of this is how Christians believe Jews will still go to hell without Jesus bever mind the special place they have in God, and how conservative Jews still disbelieve the Messiah (as Jesus Christ) has come and await his coming (not Jesus' second coming) on earth.

Every religion is proclaimed as truth, some moreso than others.

• Have you read the history of your religion ? And not just through the eyes of an apologist scholar who practices the religion eg William Lane Craig and so would tend to show bias against data or thought that conflucts with his religion. Have you read outside of Bible schools, if you are a Christian, and gone to other sources by historians to get a different take, on the history as it is, of your religion ? Why not ask yourself of your ancestor just a few centuries back, her religious beliefs and how different they would be from yours. Or consider that history tells us there was once no Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

The history of religion is a cycle of life, growth and death.

• What if what you always believed deeply was a lie ? A seemingly faithful husband, an innocent child rebels, money will satisfy my wants. The emotional turmoil that results when the lie is verified drives some to madness. One way of avoiding this possible madness. Pretend the lie is actually true. But this is conflicting especially when one considers the lesson we all are taught: to speak the truth in good conscience. And if some of us have in all honesty denied one religion for a 'true one', or denied religion altogether, this should ginger a recheck of what you consider to be true, in case it is a lie.

Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

It is true that some Christians might not go out to read about others religion.

Like I always say if many christians in the past or now are still based their faith on what was written in the Bible only, I will assure you that Christianity would have crashed out but some people have found God beyond written i.e manifestation of God. I'm a typical example.

The major challenge in Christendom today is because many doctrines have been mixed with the doctrine of Jesus Christ which many people didn't know that it's a great warning signal to seek God personally through Christ.

I didn't say Christianity is the best religion but the question that always come to my mind is this, if Jesus made a promise over 2000yrs ago and in an humble mind with total submission and strong faith, you find out the promise to be truth. Did He lie? No! Meaning whatever He said is true.

Lastly, the question I still need answer to by any folk is, if people converting from one religion to another I.e Christianity to Islam vise visa, even non religion i.e Atheism or Agonism vise visa. What is the missing link?

Shalom!

You're absolutely correct
Bible: is a compilation of different inspired books written by Men of God as they were moved by the Spirit of God for reproof, admonition, corrections, and instruction in righteousness.

People of old don't need all these compiled books because those men were present with them. The word of God continue till eternity just that the one which have been revealed and sealed must not be added or subtracted.

But the major point today is that people didn't pay attention to the crutial part of Bible again....I mean the practical aspect of the Bible.

Shalom!

macof: Sure God has many names but when u say God we should understand if u mean Bible God or God of the universe

We are talking about the God of all flesh whom the whole universe originated from!

The I Am that I Am
Jehovah~nisi
Jehovah~jareh
the God of the mountain above mountains
the Eledumare
Oyigiyigi
Alagbara to so ile-aye ro
Ogbagba ti n gba a lia lara
Okan lana, okan loni, okan lojo gbogbo
omnipotent, omniscient, & omnipresent God
the unshakeable changer
the Jealous God who Orunmila, Ogun, Sango e.t.c can't be compared/equated with.
the Saviour of the world.

Kabi ó osi

[quote author=Ijele-igbo]That men may know that you, whose name alone is
JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 83 vs 18


JEHOVAH also means LORD!!![/quote]Na them sabi,
*why they didn't choose JEALOUS? because it places God as a man.
*why they didn't choose I Am? because Jesus also said I Am

So I used all the names of God; be Jehovah, I Am, Jealous(in provocative prayer) but conscience of biaslism won't allow some people to use other name.

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DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

You are welcome in Jesus name the only saviour of the world.

Shalom Emusan.

As salaamu alaykum DevotedOne

You may see for yourself why four angels were required:
"When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant,"

My question is very simple, does it mean one Angel I.e Micheal the chief warrior of the host of heaven can't destroy all of them in one sec or min, why all the Angels in heaven?

The story of John the Baptist is not found in Barnabas'gospel.

Lolll....you so much believed in the gospel of Barnabas SHM what gave you the assurance that the barnabas' written is the authenticated one among others gospels? Simply because it supported your fallacious claim, pure delussion!

Did the story of John the Baptist also found in Qur'an? Then you will know the source of your book.

Do you really? Please explain.

Explain what?

So the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to the third heaven;, where Jesus was in the company of angels, and recounted all to him. Wherefore Jesus prayed God that he would give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then the merciful God commanded his four favourite angels, who are Michael, Gabriel, Rafael;, and Uriel, to bear Jesus into his mother's house, and there keep watch over him for three days continually, suffering him only to be seen by them that believed in his doctrine. Chapter 219

Delusion again book of Barnabars! Yet you rejected other Gospels.

You have failed to answer my question.

When will I pass your question pls? I said no time for any quote now, am I speaking French?

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom. Emusan

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]The christians made me believe that their book is tampered with, you can't provide a book which records inconsistencies and contradicting accounts and allege it was inspired by God, don't expect me to fall for that please. Not satisfied? Eat this:[/quote]Then why do you need a prove from a book you believe is already tamper with?
Does it make any sense?

The statement below is from John the baptist and Jesus testifying wether John is elias or not.

Jesus said john is elias

Matthew 11:13-14" For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was to come."

Matthew 17:10-13 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

John deny what Jesus said

John 1:21-26 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet. John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not.

Again it is believed that John has recognised who Jesus was after baptising him but when john is about to be decapitated he was unsure if jesus is the awaited one and he sent his disciples to ask if jesus is really the one to come.. Why would john contradict himself regarding the identity of jesus?

The above is just a small portion of numerous accounts that makes one to doubt the authenticity of the bible.

The knowledge of scriptures is not what a carnal mind can grasp just like.
I don't need much to say here; Jesus who been in existence before the world begins knows who John the Baptist is, but John didn't know is own origin only find out that he was human.
Note: the spirit of Elias was only given to John's human body....not that God send Elias back to the world again....grap that! As Muhammad said Jesus will be send back again.

About John asking again if Jesus is the Messiah is normal for every human because of our nature even the same thing happen in Qur'an when Allah asked Jesus whether He said to the people to Him and his mother as a gods after Allah, Remember Allah is all knowing, do you agree that, that statement is also wrong?
I can see you can't reason out of the box.

Dude, my reply was a homily, how unfortunate that you can't comprehend simple statement and appreciate others.

Which make you spew this "it only potrays you insane" God will have mercy on you.

I still do not state my arguement regarding john's sinless/sinful life, I was simply asking questions and demanding proof all the time, if you want me to believe john is a sinner you have to quote his sins first before I concur, sadly you fail woefully and continue to ridicule yourself by circumlocuting with baloney.

My question still remains the same, why do you a prove from a book you believed it has been tampered with? You can bring your own prove by snick into the Holy Book as usual.

WORD: when you can't prove something, reserving your comment is a rational effort.

Who brought the issue of John you or me? Since you want to justify that John never sinned then, why can't you go ahead to prove me wrong either from your holy book or the Word of God(Bible)? because no time to waste on quoting for you from Bible.

@RoyPCain
No time to reply your epistle above just a simple question,

Did Allah respond to Jesus' statement or not?

When quoting from Bible you will twist it to suit your fallacious claim, now you're twisting your own book SHM


Thanks for your video even I didn't view it.
Yes! I'm not among your Theirs because I have had personal encounter with Jesus....so it left for you to find Him too. You can still do it by simply confess your sin and take Him as a personal Lord and Saviour. He will reveal Himself to you, to show you that He is truly the saviour of this world.

Shalom!

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]The fact that you fall short In backing a false statement doesn't necessarily call for you being furious, it is insensitive![/quote]Thanks for that, what is the point of quoting from the book you believed is has been corrupted? No time to waste man.

You don't have to respond if you are ignorant on the matter, [size=14pt]it only potrays you insane.[/qjote]

Who is being furious now? is this the way you've been taught to reply?

Alleging that john is a sinner makes me demand a proof from you, please stop going in circles and address my appeal.

You who know that John didn't commit any sin why can you do that by twisting the scriptures as usual or quote from your infallible book? No time to waste in quoting any part do it and let us discus further.

Shalom!

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

Shalom! in Jesus name.

Salaam Emusan.

Shalom, DevotedOne

Jesus (PBUH), was not killed or crucified. You cannot argue with Scripture:

I know according to what you've been program with.

Chapter 215*
When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel;, Michael;, Rafael;, and Uriel;, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looks toward the South. They bare him and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for evermore. Gospel of Barnabas

This is to show you how confused you people are.....some we say;
*it is Judas who was crusified not Jesus
*it was the man whom they compelled to carried Jesus' cross
*Jesus was crucified but didn't die only that he was in a comma.
*now you said he was taken up by many Angels
Why many Angels but not one? God has to deployed all the host of Heaven just because of this Jesus how special He is to God whereas God was watching while John the Baptist was beheaded

What Chapter and verse('s), are you referring to in this quote?

The chapter that says so, no time for quote now.

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom, Emusan!

[quote author=WHξξs]Dd john the baptist sinned?[/quote]Did you close your eyes while reading?

I'll appreciate it if you post verses pointing the sins of john.

Why quoting you don't need.....you're a Bible reader so quote the verse you want to support your false claim as usual.

The question still remains WHEN?

Inside the grave, nonsense!

@Op
How does this your post promote the GOOD NEWS of Christ- of the salvation?

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Did john the baptist sinned? When?[/quote]Capital letter YES! If you disagree prove me wrong.
During his life time!

RoyPCain: Neither you as you are now now anyone with your faith is among the "THEIR".

God forbid to be among the THEIRS I only want to show you the blunder of Muhammad.

Now you said Allah is talking to Prophets hmmm
Did Allah respond to Isa's statement or not?
That is why I my quote starts from where the coverasation begins. Typical fellow, you will misunderstood the Word of God and also misunderstood your own Holybook. SHM

Shalom!

RoyPain: Quran, the final guidance. If you miss its message an refuse to follow it, you will have yourself to blame when the soul is being called back to its Creator, leaving your body lifelss for others to assist you to the grave or the crematorium. The choice is yours and The Justice belong to God.

I saw this and it was like waoooo, Muhammad who doesn't know how to bail himself out was so confused about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
*He condemned Christian for associated Son with Allah
*He said Allah has prepared hell for those who says Allah has begotten.

Yet he went ahead and say Garden has been prepared for those who associate Son with Allah.

Sura 5:119-122 "119. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."
120. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
[size=15pt]122. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: Theirs are the Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, --their eternal home": Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).[/size]

The last verse '122' even said THEIR TRUTHFUL will profit the truth.
These verses also proclaim Jesus an Advocate 1 John 2:1 and that followin Him is a great SALVATION thank God for the salvation through Jesus Christ...so it is left to you Muslims to chose either way you want....

I know you and your people will never pay attention to this but focus on other thing.

Jesus Christ is Lord to glory of the Father! Amen

RoyPain: Quran, the final guidance. If you miss its message an refuse to follow it, you will have yourself to blame when the soul is being called back to its Creator, leaving your body lifelss for others to assist you to the grave or the crematorium. The choice is yours and The Justice belong to God.

I saw this and it was like waoooo, Muhammad who doesn't know how to bail himself out was so confused about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
*He condemned Christian for associated Son with Allah
*He said Allah has prepared hell for those who says Allah has begotten.

Yet he went ahead and say Garden has been prepared for those who associate Son with Allah.

Sura 5:119-122 "119. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."
120. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
[size=15pt]122. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: Theirs are the Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, --their eternal home": Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).[/size]

The last verse '122' even said THEIR TRUTHFUL will profit the truth.
These verses also proclaim Jesus an Advocate 1 John 2:1
I know you and your people will never pay attention to this but focus on other thing.

JMAN05: the purpose of the earlier comment has been realised. create no diversion.

OK

Nature possessed by God's spirit creatures.

God's spirit as in... or you mean Jesus was a spirit like God?

Why are you disturbing yourself on simply things. Do all humans have the same natural abilities like similar IQ?

I've shown you how attributes are different from NATURE hmmmm

Your dad gave birth to you,

I agree with you what do ypou want again?

so do you have the same knowledge as your parents cos you possess the same nature?

Knowledge is an attribute not THE FORM THAT I EXIST hmmmmm

Does a man and his wife being the same nature mean that the woman has the same strength like the man?

Stop this your childish attitude......<<<<BOTH EXIST IN HUMAN FORM BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE>>>>

Do you even look the same physically?

Yes!

Pls you guys should produce things that make sense abeg.

Talk to yourself

No matter how you look at it, no two humans have the same attributes, even twince. there must be a difference that may command advantage over another.

What of someone who has more attributes than His/Her parent?

Apart from the assistance which God's spirit give him, you still will not equal Jesus in knowledge cos he now have a human form, will you? Even we humans have differences among each other not to talk of someone who came from heaven.

Is ATTRIBUTES and NATURE the same...just simple question henn?

inshort Why does God, his equal, have to give him those things for him to look different? Equal in knowledge. Does Jesus know when the end will come? Why does His Father have to teach him, since they all are omniscience?

Your problem is still lies in understanding that Phil 2:7 "Make himself of no reputation""""or Emptieth Himself" if God didn't put His own Spirit on Jesus, Jesus will fail in His mission

Thank you for indicating that there were differences between us and he. But he was still human which is the form he assumed. He was not in the spirit nature/form which Paul described he stripped off.

He was in Human's form on earth but in His early life He was in NATURE OF GOD....simple statementt

One of the attribute of God is also that he is more knowledgeable than Jesus. Col. 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

You and your Co often use this verse but what you people failed to notice from this verse is the usage of the word FIRSTBORN and FIRST CREATE I believe you always read from Hebrew word being used in the Bible.....
The word firstborn...is Prototokos in Greek, while
The word first created...is Protoktioti
If Paul wanted to say Jesus was created, he will have used this word "Protoktioti" rather Paul used the word "Prototokos". Paul is referring to the Jewish use of the word fiorst-born which not only means first one born but also is used as a title of SOVEREINGNTY and PRE-EMINENCE.
Example can be found in Psalm 89:27 God says of David, "I also shall make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth" Is David the firstborn of Jesse? NO. he is the eighth and youngest son of Jesse. stick this into Col 1:15 it fit perfectly, verse 18 clearly shown that Paul was talking about pre-eminence not as first created.

Jesus was never created John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God"

Prov. 8:22
“Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.
Compare John 1:14, ie begotten.

I'm one of those who strickly believe Prov 8:22-36 meant for Jesus....though some who want to discredited pre-existence of Jesus will say it's a dramatical impersonifcation of Wisdom and folly....nevertheless I chose Jesus for many reason from this chapter.
But what I see people missed out from this verse is this....phares...."as the beginning of His way" the question is did God has a beginning? I believe your answer will be NO! then what does this verse mean? you will realise that Jesus has been in existence with God.
Some version use "possessed me"

khattab02: can't stream the video. But anyway Op, summarise the content for us. If he is talking about crucifixion there are many verses in the NT which debunk crucifixion.

@bold do you have evident?

Whether the video states that Jesus died or not doesn't change what Jesus came to do on Earth.

*He was the only man who has ever passed through the surface of the earth without a single sin
Adam, Naoh, Lot, Moses e.t.c committed sin in one way or the other in their life time but save Jesus.....
*He has died but still alive....no one can change that.

When Quran says Jesus fulfilled what was written in Torah and the prophets, the simple question should be what are those things written in Torah & Prophets that Jesus fulfilled?

jahbiz: Somehow
I believe there is a higher power controlling the universe. The book of
Genesis even gives m some ideas of God existence and how he created
things. But at times I do think that who creates God or did He create Himself? because nothing exist
in isolation.

Many have thought of this for so long but the simple answer is; creation only exists in the realm of Man not in the realm of God.
The best way to understand this is by looking at meaning of "CREATE"
1: (transitive) To put into existence.
2: (transitive) To design, invest with a new form, shape, &c.
3: (intransitive) To be creative, imaginative.
4: (transitive) To cause, bring a (non-object) about by action.
By these definitions 1,2&4 fit perfectly to our universe [size=14pt]but not the one who design, put us in existence or cause us into action.[/size]

God is a self existing being who cause everything into action....if God didn't create, cause or put us(UNIVERSE) into existence the WORD "CREATE" won't have existed.

Let's assume the state where God alone existed before He caused the universe into being....you can only think of a being in EXISTENCE but not CREATED.

F00028: your claim is baseless.
in Islam, we are absolutely responsible for only our own sins, which are incurred by our direct acts. Others cannot transfer their sins to us, in order to have theirs erased or even reduced. Nor can we inherit sins from our relatives or the ancestors .

It is explained beautifully in Quran 35:18 that even if we were related, we cannot carry part of their sins. But we may incur the sins of people if we cause them to be misled.
simple.

The questions I'm begging answers to since are,
-if man does not affect in Adam's sin, where does Sin come from?
-If you agree that Adam is the first human on earth to sin why Allah did not detroy that thing that make man to sin through their act but still allow you ask for forgiveness?

didn't simon peter show you their use!
what else do you do such desperately acquired weapons that you have sell your clothes to obtain (luke 22:36) ??!

I told you since the beginning of our chat that the veil of how to understand Bible is still covering your face though @Eben has tried for you but you're still stiff necked ness.
See example of people like you;
*Jesus said to him you must be BORN AGAIN to enter the kingdom of God.....he(FOO28) replied how will be possible for and adult to enter her mother's womb in other to be born again.
*Jesus said to her "Whosoever drink the water of me shall not thirst anymore....she(FOO28) replied give me this water so that I won't thirst no more nor come to this well to fetch water again....
*Jesus said let's go to our brother Lazarus because he asleep so that I can wake him up....they (FOO28) replied if he asleep let's leave him alone he shall do well now..
So your mate are also in the Bible.

just quit beating about the bush and show me the prophesies

Read from Genesis to Malachi is there for you intact. Qur'an also says that Jesus fulfilled all the written of Torah and the prophets it is left for you to ask a simple question, what were those things written before Jesus that He fulfilled?

Shalom!

macof: Mr Kenny.

since u need authentic sources and not internet links, I advice u go to a Babalawo to show u Orunmila. The Babalawo would ask Ifa on ur behalf anything that troubles u and give u solutions. Ifa never fails, Orunmila is ever potent.
Orunmila is here till infinity

If I start typing long yarns now, it would just b a waste of time to people like u who see knowledge but reject it.

So visit a Babalawo, let him check ur ori, or simply test the power of Orunmila. Most Babalawo would let u test them since it's in order of Orunmila

I even thought you will tell Orunmila to hide my post or change everything I have typed to read Orunmila.....Orunmila....Orunmila... [size=14pt]you said I should visit Babalawo uhnnnn[/size] SMH..

macof: Third was getting my Ori checked by an Iyanifa- it was revealed that Orunmila claimed my Ori, and in order to grow I had to work as Orunmila would.

These are the steps to know Orunmila right!
When you are still reading Bible what are the things Jesus ask you to do in other to see His manifestation....Evidence of the Holyspirit......?

Orunmila reveals himself to everybody, all the gods reveal themselves to everybody. [size=14pt]But u don't know.[/size]

At bold did type it or Orunmila pushed you toto?

When u see lightening, that's Sango revealing himself

Why lightening doesn't happen in dry season? I guess sango is on vacation!

Jesus is not known to reveal anything to anybody. Orunmila however hasn't revealed himself to only me. we all have been blessed by Orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence.

He promised Holy spirit as an evident to those who believed because lightening, thunder, speed of light e.t.c are the works of His hand....Which is the title of this thread "Christ at Creation"
How will you know this? Allow the word of Christ to dwell in you.

macof: I don't know wat u mean

OK since you don't know let me tell you, I ssimply mean the sleepless night you have put yourself into.

I believed in Jesus, since I knew how to speak, however he never showed himself, not even once.

The questions are;
Do you really believe in Jesus as you claimed or just a church goer?
Is your life in accordance with that path of Him?

However I have believed Orunmila for less than two years and he has shown himself despite me not being initiated

I believe Orunmila didn't show up just like that, you need to follow some step(s) so do Jesus. But why Orunmila didn't reveal himself to the world except only you?

I can't start preaching that my alive grandpa can save because I am not deluded like u Christians

Why not you can;
Thank God that I'm deluded but remember the way Orunmila revealled Himself to you Jesus Christ has also revealed Himself to me....so if I'm deluded so be you....