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Zarian5: * Since Jesus said “I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER comforter” it means Jesus was the first comforter,

You're reason now.

another comforter would have to be a man like him not Holy Spirit.

Did Jesus say so or just a mere assumption by you?

* The Bible says that the Holy Spirit was already there on earth before and during the time of Jesus.

Then I charge you, what is the HolyGhost?

But Jesus said the Comforter will only come if he (Jesus) depart. “Nonetheless I tell you the truth: it is expedient that I go away: for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart I will send him unto you” John 16:7 Therefore the Comforter is not the Holy Spirit.

If you answer my question above I will reply this.

*Jesus said the promised comforter will teach “all things” did the Holy Spirit teach anything?

Who wrote the Bible and gave all the apostles wisdom?

*“That he may abide with you forever” this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will live physically on earth forever. No it means that his teachings will remain intact, uncorrupted till the end of time. This is why the Quran (unlike the Bible) has never been tempered with since its revelation 1400yrs ago.

You err..now is not muhammad it is his teaching why Jesus didn't mention his teaching? Hypocrite.

*Jesus did not call himself ‘Son of God’. According to NRSV Bible Jesus called himself ‘son of man’ 84 times, people and paul called him ‘son of God’ 63 times.

Hmmm another dimension from my brethen. Mahdino says muslims didn't deny Jesus as a Son of God. Hehhh

*The fact that Jesus prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will do everything exactly as Jesus did.

Shaking my head for whereas Jesus fulfilled all the prophecy about Him.

Infact according to the prophesy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is expected to do and teach ‘many things’ which Jesus didn't do.

You missed "to do Jesus' will' ".....he shall not speak of himself;...."

Read John 16:12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU UNTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

You even fear enough unlike some people they won't quote the full verse. @bold-what about Jesus that Muhammad glorified?

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

What you failed to understand is that, even Muhammad read Bible but yet he didn't claim this, but answer my question on who Holyghost is before I know what to say.

*Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not die of food poisening.

Hmmmm

* Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not dwell with the Apostles. The Holy Spirit which dwelt with them cannot be the promised comforter based on John16:7 as i mentioned above.

Then if Muhammad didn't dwell with them is not what Jesus is talking about. Acts 1:8 But ye shall recieve power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me(Jesus) both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" you can see Jesus fully understand who the HolyGhost is.

* ‘And shall be in you’ this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be living inside anybody.

Yes he will live inside us.

Compare this with John 17:21"They (the disciples) all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us."
Does this mean that Jesus will be living inside God, God will be living inside Jesus and the Disciples will be living INSIDE both God and Jesus?

Just a question, does your word live inside you or outside?

*If this prophesy refers to the Holy Spirit, not a man then why the use of the pronouns ‘he’, ‘him’ not ‘it,’ its?

Why the same pronouns used for God?

*The word ‘Spirit’ according to the Bible can be used for a Prophet. It's more likely that was only word used. ‘Holy’ could be a later insertion. I will bring evidence for my last assertion

Yes the follow verse every spirit that confess Jesus come in flesh...remember you claim Jesus is human being, then what does it mean to come in flesh?

I have said it stop supporting your lies with Bible it doesn't favour either.

Rashe: i quoted 4rm d bible cos dere ar some elements of truth

Then you neglect the rest because it has been diluted, what gave you assurance the one you quoted is not the one that being diluted?

in it and even prophet Mohammed did mention of it dat we shd believe in all d book given 2 d prophet be it Moses, David, JESUS.

If Muhammad says you should quote from book, did he says you should quote verse 1 and leave verse 2 of the same book you quoted from?

Some christian even confirm dat d bible
had being diluted and good examples ar d jehovah witness which result in neglectin som verses 4rm d diluted bible.e.g non-cruxificatn..4rm my own point of view, u ar suppose 2 question d0se people hw dy know d bible is bein diluted and formin dere own bible which brought d belief/idea of non-cruxificatn in their own bible and other false tins b4 criticizin d muslims and d quran in general.

If some people say Bible has been diluted so you need to follow their saying and not to verify it yourself.......you made mistake with this....


See what Bible says about them:

1 Corin 2:1:-13 "10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

So as everyone willeth let him/her twisteth Bible for his/her own interest every man's work will be revealed by fire.

RoyPCain: Living God can not be the father of a dead child.

Waooo.......is like you didn't know when you type this statement.

was your book says Jesus died or was taken to Heaven alive?

Some confusion is waving here.
No offence sha!

mahdino: Read the quran with understanding

I do but do also read Bible with the help of HolyGhost?

Rashe: just passing by but i av to write dis b4 i go: as av said, ur bible also preaches islam, check JOHN CHAP 13VS5 Wen JESUS SAID THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS WHOM U AV SENT and dis is d basic preachin of islam;

It will have been better not to quote any verse from Bible because your next statement shows how confuse you are.

u guys shd reason about dIS vesrs...the only true in dis content means there is only 1 God nt 3 as u guys proclaim; jesus confirmed dat himself...2/ u guys shd know dere is a lot of contracdictn in ur diluted bible which makes u christian confuse about d religion and dat is Y u guys av unrelated ways of worshipin GOD.FOR EXAMPLE, Accordin 2 ur diluted bible, jesus died 4 3 days and night; so if jesus died on friday and wake up on sunday, hw does dat makes 3days and nite? 3/ Wot makes islam d accepted religion is dat it has d same view and preachin compare 2 other prophets sent 4rm God which is d believe dat dere is only 1 G0D;dey never claimed dat dere is 3 gods or is dere differents GOD THEN DIFFERENT 4RM D 1 NW?

The same Books full of contradictions still preach about Islam, is like you're a little bit confuse here? No offence.

IN CONCLUSION, There is only 1 most high GOD WH D ONLY 1 DAT KNOW D JUDGEMENT DAY SINCE UR Proclaim God d sun/JESUS confirm dat in d bible dat he himself did nt know djudgement day except GOD D FATHER WHICH MAKES HIM UNEQUAL 2 GOD

Yes only one God. Who is claiming three gods? Even Daniel asked, when all this shall end. God said "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closep up and sealed till the time of the end. Daniel 12:9"

So is not the time of Jesus the question is being asked....but God just decided not to let any man know it.

vedaxcool: According to Jesus spirit could mean prophet


Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


1 john 4 :1

If you believe this verse, what make you reject this verse that follow?

1 Jonh 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

whatever makes you accept 1 John 4:1 should also make you accept this verse.

If you reject this verse is what they called hypocrite. I said it early it will have better for Muslims not to use Bible as a reference than the mess they put themselves into.

Image123: Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

God prepared the fish only to transport Jonah back to where he's coming from

Jonah 2:10 "And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land"

my point is that God had prepared a fish to swallow up Jonah. That fish was prepared as to make Jonah survive in it.

I quitely agree with you @bold because Jonah wouldn't have survived it without the Fish.

My point here is what actually happened inside the fish to Jonah for three days and three nights.
Was it when the fish swallowed Jonah God can't command the fish to return him immediately and why God has to waited for good three days and nights?

like He prepared the fire for Daniel's friends that it was not able to hurt them.

Did Daniel's friends share their expirence; if yes what was their expirence?

He was not literally in the belly of hell, wherever that is.

But you never answer my question; when the word SHEOL was used throughout the whole OT as grave-a place of dead, why Jonah's own now become literal?

He spoke and described a physical location that we can access with oxygen masks. Of waters and being under the mountains. The hell expression was only figurative.

If you check verse 6 very well you will see this phrase "....the earth with her bars (magnetic poles) was about me for ever..." meaning he was describing a place of the earth which different from water.

If you check a version like Amplified Bible verse 5 this phrase in KJV "...even to the soul....." was translated to "....even to [extinction of life] life..."

what does it mean for life to go into extinct? Simply mean to stop exist. Though some version didn't put it that way.

You didn't answer this question, when Jesus said His miracle will be like that of Jonah, was it also literal?

joel lala: With God all things are possible. Abeg u guys shuld sleep. Una too dey question God.

Yes with God all things are possible, but what happend to Jonah inside the fish is my discusion here inwhich Jonah himself confirmed. Read the Chapter 2 of his book to see.

Before I believe Jonah was alive in the belly as what they told me.

mahdino: U dey see yourself ko. Hmmm
That's ur problem, u will not accept the fact that Jonah did not die cos u know what is means.

Like as you know what brought you here and how it against your claim.

Look the truth remains the truth whether people see it or don't it will not change.

The day someone view change from dellusion to fact became truth.

This is how ur brethen keep changing and revising the book of God.

Because you fail to open your eyes to see the truth.

Ur brethen are still working to make it look Jonah died. Well that is your problem.

No you missed it, remember when 101 contradictions in Bible was pasted on internet your brethen didn't use any version than King James Version. Hope you remember?

Now u can see the quran has opened your eyes. Read the quran with open mind and let God talk to u.

I'm doing that henn.

Solve the problem with your brethen first.

Continue to watch.

Image123: God prepared the fish, that made all the difference. Otherwise, he would have died.

I didn't say that Jonah was not swallowed by the fish. My point is his expirence inside the fish which Jonah himself confirmed

Like OluT has said, he prayed, thought etc.

They do the same in the place of hell.

The expression that he was in hell is not the literal hell.

NOTE: the word HELL was translated from this hebrew word SHEOL and throughout OT only a single translation was given to this word SHEOL which is GRAVE means a place of the dead.
Will Jonah's translation exclude?

You may get me wrong when you think I'm using HELL(hade-lake of fire) used in the NT.

Jesus said He would be in the heart of the earth. hat also is not literal. It's colloqual like we say someone is facing hell or saw hell or saw wen. Its more of connotative than literal as such person didn't literally see wen or hell, whatever they both are.

But what Jesus means is that He will die for three days and three nights. Is it also a literal statement?

Try to focus in my OP on that Expirence point.

Shalom!

udatso: dear emusan...when i told you lots of your brothers share a different idea from yours and i gave you lots of evidence and explanations here www.nairaland.com/1376282/re-what-does-koran-says/2#1376282.64

Yes I disagree.

You thought i was just twisting facts...now are these guys twisting facts too.lol@ other bibles write it in present continous while kjv in past tense...well i leave you all to keep battling which of the bibles to take for this explanation...one bible inded!!!

Keep watching at the back sit.

vedaxcool: the funny thing here is since the holy ghost dwell in the disciples who died one after the other it follows that the ghost dwelling iou n them followed them to the graves which invalidates the prophesy which says it will dwell with them forever, since u claim Jesus was addressing his disciples.

What can I call this your question? Infact a two years old boy can't ask such question of yours and anyone who believe a two years old can ask such question then, no different between both.

Will your spirit follow you to grave according to Islam teaching?


Is even better for Muslims not to quote from Bible at all because than the mess they put themselves into.

Frank4YAHWEH: I do not believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth and I do not believe that frobel does either.

Nice answer if you don't believe Yeshau pre-existed His brith, definitely YHWH gave Moses the Ten Commandment.

2 Corin 3:7 "7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:"

This phrase "behold the face of Moses for the glory of his contenance;.." 'His contenance' tells us who Moses saw when the laws was given which is YHWH.

Now let's see the rest of the verses:
Verse "16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. It means if we believe in Yeshua we'll be able to behold his glory.

17 Now the Lord(Yeshua) is that Spirit(YHWH): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all(as we believe in Yeshua), with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord(Yeshua), are changed into the same image (YHWH who Moses saw) from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord(Yeshua).

Pastor Olu T: Interesting fact I came up with using God's word version;

Well I'm not against this version.

Verse 1, "From inside the fish Jonah prayed"; a dead man can't pray n it says in the fish again?

I know, a dead man can't pray but where the dead a kept they can talk. You ignore verse two from this version.

Verse 4, "Then I thought"; a dead man can't think, again all this is happening in the fish?

Remember I didn't say fish didn't swallow up Jonah but Jonah died inside the fish and all this happened in the place of the dead.
Tha's why Jonah said it in verse 2 "out of the belly(inside of the fish) of sheol(hell-a place of the dead) cried I"

Verse 7, "As my life was slipping away";

From original manuscript it wasn't 'a continous tense' it was 'a past tense' word. Is recent version that change it to continous tense. That's why I read all my Bible verses from King James Version direct translation from original scripts.

obviously was still alive for it shows that God did not even make things easier for him, but felt very uneasy and almost lost his life.

If Jonah soul was slipping away 'used as continous tense' he's still alive but if if his soul has slipped away 'used as past tense' then he isn't alive.

My summation, Jonah was alive in the fish, was conscious and experienced all the difficulty of being there.

Ok I agree with you with this version but answer this question:
*was Jesus alive in the heart of the tomb? because he compared his miracle with that of Jonah.

If you read Amplified Bible version you will also see a similar account of that KJV.

Before I also think Jonah was alive not until I digested that chapter 2.

Zarian5: Yes, you are wrong. Actually both Moses and Jesus prophecy the coming of Muhammad. Click and download this (pdf) book, 'Muhammad in the Bible' written by Prof. Abdul Ahad Dawud, Former Bishop of Uramiah, Formerly the Reverend David Benjamin Keldani, B.D.

http://www.islamhouse.com/401819/en/en/books/Muhammad_(Peace_Be_Upon_Him)_In_The_Bible

See what you turn yourself into, you believe Bible talks about Muhammad yet you rejected the rest of the Bible saying. Confuse!!!

F00028: you're right there. if God Almighty states it in the Qur'an, its all the proof I need.

Is it God or Angel?

but that's not all. further proof that Jesus was not crucified is that: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED.

See dellusion, no evidence hmmmm. What about Jesus' statement Himself. I can't stop laugh.

All the four gosples gave a clear account remember you support them by claiming the coming of your master from one of them.
You believe Jesus when He said, He will send your muhammad but disbelieve Him when He said He will die...

See non-christians who gave a record about Jesus death.

1. Lucian of Samosate 11. “It was then that he learned the wondrous lore of the Christians, by associating with their priests and scribes in Palestine. And—how else could it be?—in a trice he made them all look like children, for he was prophet, cult-leader, head of the synagogue, and everything, all by himself. He interpreted and explained some of their books and even composed many, and they revered him as a god, made use of him as a lawgiver, and set him down as a protector, next after that other, to be sure, whom 11 they still worship, the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world."

In his statement he was trying to mock Christians but it's a great evidence that Jesus exist and was crucified. He even notice the remain eleven desciples and palestines which Bible also confirmed.

2. Seutonius
3. Julius Africanus and Tallus
4. Flavius Josephus "In The Antiquities of the Jews , book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3"
5. Cornelius Tacitus "in book 15, chapter 44 of The Annals" e.t.c

Now if non-christian can give a record about Jesu and it's the same with Bible's account, is Jesus exist and crucified or not?

try this: there is a challenge to anyone who can take all accounts of the resurrection in the four gospels, Acts, and 1 Corinthians 15, and write a single narrative in which he includes every event and detail mentioned in the separate accounts and do so without omitting anything or injecting inconsistency, contradiction, or purely speculative materials into the narrative.

I will; bring them up.

I dont have time to watch your video...but
if your man above stated his evidence for his fantastic claims please point me to it.

Why don't you have time I believe if it favours you, you will quickly do it.

mahdino: Brother how do u do, hope fine. Been quite busy, I will have much time after the ramadan and eid.

Happy ramadan kareem! Don't forget my own food and ram you can PM me with that Bro. Lol

Just a question.
Is it that you are lying or is it that u don't fully understand Jesus?

I'm not and fully understand all Jesus' statement.

No where in the bible did Jesus revived.

Well when I said revive I mean brought back to life or raised from dead. Though you might find it hard to believe Jesus is 'God'. Jesus was not the only person that died and was raised from dead in the Bible but if you can ask yourself this simple question; while Jesus' case as risen from dead being called resurrection? You will get it right that Jesus risen from dead and went straight to heaven while others like Jonah, Lazarrus e.t.c still died again, why?

If u read well with understanding u will understand Jesus when martha the sister of Lazarus said "if u where around u could have save him" Jesus said even know u shall see the GLORY of GOD.

Yes, not even in the case of Lazarus only many cases like that in the Bible. "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am" John 8:58

And did u know he tried to avoid this kind of claim from people like u that was why after he has groaned in the spirit (seek help from God) he said father I know u always hear me but I'm saying it loud cos of the people who stood by they should know u are doing the works still people like u fail to realise it.

Even said "I and my Father are one" did you realise it also?

Act 2:22 "Jesus of Nazareth a man approve of God, by miracles, wonders and signs which God did by him which u youselves also know.

I know you will quote this because you've seen 'MAN' there.
The same Act 2:23-24 you quote said 23 "......ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" 24 "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:..." Notice the bold:
I know you and your brethen always pick a verse that suit you and ignored the rest.

Hope my explanation about Jonah's dead is clear because I see you neglected my question.

What does this phrase mean to you as an english student "when my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord:

Did Jonah remember God after his soul fainted or before his soul fainted, and what does the Jonah mean by "My soul fainted within me"?

I want honest answer to this please.

Again you people think Jesus is also a prophet, from Old Testament to NT all the past Prophet always says/(spake in second person singular) "Thus saidth the Lord", "Thy Lord said" you confirmed this when we are arguing about 'Bible as the word of God' now either narrator's voice or Jesus' voice as you might believe, throughout Jesus' statement in the four books that give account of Jesus; Jesus never said 'Thus saith thy Lord', 'Thy Lord said' but you will see something like 'Verily, verily', 'Jesus saith unto him/them'

From all His record He always spake in the position of the 'First person singular' (person speaking of himself/herself) not in the position of 'second preson singular' (person speaking on behalf of someone)

Shalom!

Frank4YAHWEH: Oh no! Me thinks there be a false revelation of a "Triune God" coming to head!

I asked Frosbel this question maybe he didn't see it, but let me ask you too.

Who gave Moses the Ten Commandment in the Old Testament, is it Yeshau or YHWH?

Pastor Olu T: Bro, I beg to differ with u on this.

Why should anyone thought it impossible? The bible said he was, for the fact that we don't understand how doesn't change anything.

Do u know why the bumble bee flies? Despite all the laws of physics that its wings are too small to carry the body and all that? The only reasons it flies is 'cos God told it so.

please don't get me wrong I didn't base my explanations on science.

You can see I expressed myself through Jonah's statement, God can do all thing that is certain.

But critically study Jonah's statement made it clear that Jonah did die.

You can read the book especially whole chapter 2.

frosbel: It takes a 'PAGAN' to believe that god is 3 and that the no.2 god descended into a baby and immediately lost all sense of awareness and divinity, lol.

Who gave Moses the Ten commandement in the OT, is it Yashua or YHWH?

F00028: sadly, that's one mistake a lot of Muslims make.

it not their business to prove who was crucified instead, or even if there was ever a crucifixion.

Is it not because your Quran against it that's why you too also in support? So it's their and yours business to know who was crucified.

the fact of the matter is Jesus the Christ, the son of Mary was not crucified or killed.

Says who and from which book?
Can you quote a verse in the Bible that asertain your point.

btw where is this happening?

Use your friend google.

thehomer: Hmm. So Jonah too was resurrected from the dead? In the belly of a fish? A fish? This just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

Did you also read that the fish vomited him?

His expirence in the belly matters alot.

mahdino: That is what the bible says
1st epistle of John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. U can see that the word spirit is used synonymously with a prophet. A true spirit is a true prophet, and a false prophet is a false prophet

You're quoting from the same people who tells you that Jesus was crucified but you say No! Hmmm......great hypocrite.

Very soon you will claim their words are narrator's voice.

Ayomivic: alright, but if there is no different in Old Testament's law and Jesus law

Get it right, the misconception comes in when you think Jesus have a law No! Jesus purpose on earth is to fulfill a promise made with Father of Faith 'Abraham'

why are we saying we are no longer under the OT law and that Jesus had nailed it to cross?

Like my post above the law given by Jesus in the OT is for correction preparing us for the fufilment time of the promise. Once the promise came the old law was abolished.

How did Jesus fulfill the law? Please explain in detail

First he came to fulfill the promise of the Messiah "saviour" so that we can be reconcilled to God.

Second, we look at what the Messiah will pass through because "without shelding of blood there's no remission" Heb 9:1-29

Third Jesus was finally nailed on the cross so that His blood will be sheld. Like a slaim lamb.

Shalom!

mahdino: Brother try to open your heart and let's reason. A little knowledge and reasoning will take u out of confusion to understanding

Do you also open your heart?

The muslim is no saying that Jesus is not God but Mohammad is God.

Ok.

The muslim is not saying that Jesus is not the son of God but Mohammad. No nothing like that.

Another version from mahdino "muslim didn't claim Jesus isn't the Son of God" finally you agree that Jesus is the Son of God. Hmmmm

The muslim in not saying that he does not believe in Jesus but Mohammad. No nothing like that.

If you believe in Jesus what make you a muslim?

This is the muslim stand those chosen by God must not say it word for word but this is what it means

Ok, let's see

@ the time of Noah he is the way the truth and the life
@ the time of Abraham he is the way the truth and the life
@ the time of Moses he is the way the truth and the life
@the time of Jesus he is the way the truth and the life

Hope you put into consideration the life spent by these people in their life's time? None of them spend over one thousand years, with recent discovary since two thousand years ago no HUMAN being has spent over 200years.

This is the time of Mohammad he is the way the truth and the life.

Brainwash, you're refering 'now' with what happened more than one thousand years ago "this is the time of Muhammad" was Muhammad still alive? Pls kindly answer with sincerity

You believe in prophet but we believe in the Son of God.

mahdino: Pls Emusan don't be a fool (advisory) how should I have run away when I created the thread and have been proving to u not from the quran but your bible that no where did Jesus die

How many verses did you quote in the Bible than to compare Matt 12:39-40 with the Jonah's story?

Now from the book of Jonah it shows that Jonah did die.

Tell me another lie.

udatso: my dear emusan....from your replies, i was able to get the following:
1. You believe in the KJV of the holy bible alone

Is KJV not a Bible?

2. You only believe in the commentaries/explanations of KJV alone

Not a commentaries/explanations but direct translation from the original script that's why most people that attack Bible used KJV not other version.

3. There are two holy spirits at work here...the holy spirit that gave you your understanding as well as that of the KJV of the bible and the holy spirit that gave others theirs OR 1 holy spirit giving thesame people of same faith different understanding.

One Holyspirit but different ministration though some people have put their own selfish interest in the interpretation of God's word 'Bible'

For the last time, let me see if i can still break my explanations into smaller pieces
1. You said if he(jonah) didnt die, then it means the prophecy wasnt fulfilled

Yes!

and i say no: if jonah didnt die there are 2 possibilities
a. Jesus didnt die too, hence the prophecy was fulfiled

Yes because Jesus said it. @bold stop claiming what is wrong the prophesy didn't fufill because God can't lie.

b. Jonah died and jesus died, hence the prophecy is false

Pure lies, Jesus quite knew well that Jonah did die because He was the one who revived his life.

2. If in a verse we saw a statement like" as he was dying he begged from the house of hell" from this statement, its a known fact that house isnt a hell, neither is the stomach of a big fish a hell

NOTE: "as he was dying" continous tense not as he died.
Ask you again list all the meaning of grave you know?

so if it isnt a hell yet it was described as so, then we look further to get the nearest explanation possible. And in this statement, we can say that the house of hell is used figuratively or literaly

Now it has become figurative to you real hypocrite.

so to know if there is anything that supports any of these assumption

How can you put assumption into a clear statement made by the victim?

hence the statement" as he was dying" which means not dead yet.

Then check that verse 7 again, "my soul fainted within me..." does this phrase resemble continous or past tense

So we both know that in order to be in hell, one has to be DEAD and not DYING.

You hit yourself with this your point again tell me the meaning of this phrase "my soul fainted within me" as an english student.

now if i ask you, when did jonah pray? An unbiased answer should be: he prayed while his life was ebbing away which means he wasnt dead.

No such comfirmation from Jonah, he clearly states it that in verse 7 My soul fainted within me and I remembered Lord..." Notice his soul has gone before he remembered God not his soul is going.[/quote]is it clear?

Emusan, please get this clear..am not trying to read meanings to the bible....i got these meanings from your christian folks who ofcourse are guided by the holy spirit and i have given you proofs.

Udatso pls get this right, it's wrong to browse the internet to interpret the Bible sit down, read, and ask HOLYSPIRIT to do it.

@eben, where are you....please i need you....perhaps you would understand better.

He has left you in your dillusion.

@eben and emusan..am sorry if i said anything offensive to your religion. It wasnt my intent

No offence in Christ, remain bless by Jesus' grace.


I only try to help you how to read Bible not on what people say.

My last question if you believe in Jesus existence and His ascension into heaven what make you disbelieve in His death?

You need to answer this question and tell yourself the truth.
Shalom!

The story of Jonah has been a confuse debate over the years by sceptics and some other religions i.e Islam because:

1. Sceptics believe that the story of Jonah in the Bible is a pure fiction of its inaccuracy with science e.g it's not possible for any man to survive under such condiction of suffocation. Simply because what most Christians has been taught was that God sustains Jonah in the belly of the great fish (though is possible for God but it wasn't so, GOD created natural laws so every thing must obey these laws and God has power to change any natural law).

2. Islam have used this Jonah's story to support their untrue story written about Jesus that "He(Jesus) didn't die because their book said so", and support it with these verses Matt 12:39-40 "when Jesus compared His death & resurrection miracle with that of Jonah's miracle.

Now the question is; was Jonah really alive in the belly of the fish?

In the book of Jonah where his story was written gave us the real clue about his life, sin, punishment, expirence at the belly, and the grace of God upon him.

Life of Jonah:- Jonah is an Hebrew man that have the fear of the Lord.

Jonah's Sin:- Jonah flee from the presence of the Lord because of God's assignment.

Punishment:- we read in Jonah 1:17 "Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Expirence:- "Best expirence can only be shared by the victim". If what Jonah passes through wasn't shared by Jonah himself the story might become another thing but with the help of God Jonah was able to share his own expirence.

Jonah 2:3 "For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me." This verse by Jonah tells us what he really passes through.

When Jonah was passing through this condiction he went ahead to say the position he was at that time. Jonah 2:2 "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I,
@bold in this phrase "...out of the belly of hell cried I...." the word HELL in that phrase was translated from this hebrew word 'SHEOL' means "GRAVE-a place of the dead'. This word (sheol) was used throughout of the Old Testament, it's different from the one used in the NEW Testament that means 'LAKE of FIRE' and anywhere this word appear in the OT means 'GRAVE-a place of the dead'. So Jonah cried to God in the place of the dead(where dead people are reserved).

To be sure that Jonah did really die he went further to explain how it happened; Jonah 2:5 "The waters compassed me about, [b]even to the soul:...." @bold "even to my soul" means it took his life.

Then after Jonah died he explain where he found himself. Jonah 2:6 [b]"I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever:....."
@bold he went down to the bottoms or center of the earth where dead ones are kept.

What make him went down to the bottoms of the earth? He said; Jonah 2:7 "When my soul fainted within me..." in this phrase Jonah sincerely comfirmed that his soul leaves his body. If not he would've used a word like this when my soul is fainting (continuos tense) or when my soul is about to faint but rather he uses the past tense "when my soul fainted".

Grace of God:- God's grace never cease on those who He loves. In the last sentence of that verse 7 Jonah remembered the Lord and He prayed then his prayer went straight to the Holy Temple of God and God shew His grace upon Jonah, then last statement of verse 6 tells us what happened after his prayer "....yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God." The word 'corruption' used in this verse was translated from the hebrew word NIPHAL which can mean; rot, spoil, ruin, decay e.t.c it might even be possible that his body has started to decayed but Omniscient God brought him back to life and commanded the fish to vomit him....WHAT A WONDERFUL GOD AND A GREAT MIRACLE.

So Jonah was not alive in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights but it pleases God to revive him.

Shalom!

basilico: Madhino says Jesus called out eli which sounds like allah on the cross. Now the quran says it was made to appear to those gathered that it was jesus who was crucified but it was not. As in God decieved those who witnessed the crucifixion that it was Jesus on the cross. To prove that jesus was not crucified muslims start talking about the masculine reporting of HE concerning Simone of Cyrene being the one who was forced to help Jesus carry the cross and later hanged on it. When its taqqiya time they say Jesus called out to Allah. Beware of muslim lies my brothers. They are allowed to lie as long as the lie advances the spread of islam. Be very wary of islam.

Very confuse set of people because their Quran said Jesus was not crucified they hold on to that Matt 12:39-40 when Jesus talks about the miracle of Jonah. They concluded Jesus didn't die whereas Jonah died in the belly of the fish. This very mahdino runaway away from very thread he created because of this issue.

mahdino: You can only prophesied what is going to come in the future.

Yea; like what Jesus did about Muhammad.

You have to believe me that the holy ghost has been existing since the time of John the baptist and Jesus.

Sure but do you know who the Holyghost is?

So that is not what Jesus is talking about when he said "when the HE the spirit of truth is come HE shall guide u into all truth for HE shall not speak of himself, whatever HE hears HE shall tell u. HE shall glorify me. The word "HE" is a masculine pronoun refering to a MAN. Check 1st epistle of John 4:2 hereby know ye the SPIRIT of God: Every SPIRIT that confesseth that Jesus christ is come in the flesh is of God. Every spirit means every prophet.

With what you put up here, I've never seen a confuse religion like this of yours.

Muslims are the one who will claim:

*Jesus is not the Son of God though they believe Jesus when He said, He will send their master but Believe not Jesus when He said He is the Son of the living God; He is the way, the truth, and the LIFE no one come to the Father exccept by Him.

*They believe Jesus' statement when He compared His miracle with that of Jonah but disbelieve Him when He Himself said He will die.

*They choose a verse that favour them in the Bible and call the rest Narrator's voice.

*They posted 101 contradiction verses in the Bible due to lack of understanding of the scripture, yet the same contradictory Book has been their back bone for the coming of their Master.

*They believe the Bible you and I are reading today has been copied right many times, due to this; people have inserted their own words into Bible but believe only those verses that favour them was not touched.

*They believe Christian and Islam serve the same God and believe God can't lie but still went ahead to reject this saying "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR HIM"

What a confuse set of people.

Ayomivic: 1. What is the purpose of Old Testament law?

The purpose of the OT laws is:
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels inthe hand of a mediator.

@bold-those law are given for correction before Jesus will come.

2. Which flaw did God sees in Old Testament law that made God sent Jesus to save us?

Nothing like flaw in God's work because He's an All-knowing God. According to the verse above the laws was given for our correction for Jesus to come and abolished the law.

3. What is the law of of Jesus Christ?

The OT law.

4 In what ways do the law of Jesus different to the mosaic law or Old Testament law?

Those Mosaic laws are Jesus law also no different. You might miss it up by thinking during the time of Jesus law was given but no such thing but Jesus came as to fulfill the promise(law).

5. What love and grace did God show to us in New Testament in different to Old Testament law?

The only difference there is that, God as a 'covenant keeping God' fulfill His promise in the NT.

Nice questions will reply when I get home.