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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]you are an a$$hole and if you say this to my face , ill shoot you dead.

How dare you ignore the sacrifices of millions of dead? [/quote]Hmmm are you sure!

Millions of dead in which country?

Anuoluwap: Most people got it wrong. God the Father and Jesus the Son. Jesus preaches about his Father which is God but to be intimate with God you have to be close to the Son first. Both God and Jesus can be addressed as "Lord" because the word is a simple english even it is used to address Judges in the court of law.
NOTE: The book of Psalms is refering to God.

I believe you don't know who Jesus really is. This has been a major controversy and unknow mystery about Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the spoken-word of God, that's why Jesus said "I and my Father are one"

John made it clear that Jesus is God when he wrote "In the beginning was the WORD(Jesus), and the word(JESUS) was with God, and the word(JESUS) was GOD. John 1:1

Nobody can seperate your WORD from you.

Shalom!

bilms: Because you want to impose your believe on them.

See what you resolted to, Isn't that an hypocrite and how many people Christians have killed or forced to go to church just because they failed to accept Jesus Christ?

The real meaning of Muslim in Yoruba is IMOLILE to beark it down:

IMO-Teaching
LILE- Too Hard.
All together It means 'A teaching received in a hard way'. Why this name? When Islam came to South West of Nig. It was by force to accept It and then Yoruba culture promotes peach even than Islam Itself.

I don't like saying all this but because of your statement.
So christians never force and will never force anybody to accept Christ.

Shalom!

frosbel: Jesus made a statement :

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." - Mark 12:29


God is ONE, not TWO and certainly not THREE.

This is what you missed;

*Father - is the God Himself
*Son(word/Jesus) - is the spoken-word of God-Father (the word of God sent into the world in person of Jesus Christ)
*Holyspirit - is the Spirit of Father Himself.

Nobody can seperate these three from each other simple.
Unless if you want to deny the existence of the three above.

Salom!

rhymz: Dude what exactly is your point?

The point you see above.

You seem to be ignorantly claiming that the bible is inerrant or has not been severally altered and distorted.

Just simple question you couldn't give simple answer.

If seriously you are interested about the theology and historicity of the trinity doctrine,

I don't have interest thanks, I read my little King James Version and understood It.

then you will take your time to read about the Nicene Creed and about the Libyan scholar Arius that argued against the concept of a three in one God, as if ma commercial detergent

I rejected the word 'Trinity' many years ago when Bible is not too clear to me, but now this is what I called my own Trinity:

*Father-The God Himself
*Son(Word/Jesus)-The spoken-word of God Himself
*Holyspirit-The Spirit of God Himself.

The same God who send His own word into the world in person of Jesus and santified the Gentiles with His own Spirit.

So there are three in one.

Shalom!

@Ayeni being a long time man?

I just have something to ship in; you quickly grab the TITLE of his(Femi) message but you neglected the main point because you see Paul's word as Paul's own word.

This is the point you missed: "The word of God is, and will forever be, with God. (John 1:1). God created all things with his word. He spoke his word to the patriarchs and the prophets of Israel. Then he sent his word to the world in the person of Jesus, his Son."

Now if God sent His own word into the world in the person of Jesus, who else should you believe God's word as a person or a message received fron an angel? because I can see you agree with all his statement. Maybe you didn't see it sha?

Beside anyone can intepret the Bible the way they like (as you and you brethen usaully do).

Let's see a little statement from Brother Paul himself.

2 Cor 2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."

1 Cor 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

1 Cor 1:14 "If any man think himself to be a prophet,or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

Gal 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

1 Thess 2:4 "But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts."

Even Jesus said in John16:12-14 "12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive ofmine, and shall shew it unto you."

So Paul's teaching and Jesus' teaching are the same.

Lastly, Brother Paul read and understood this OT curse if not he won't continue to write and the Jews won't have chosen all his epistles.
Ezekiel 13:8 "Therefore thus saith the Lord God; 'Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God."

So help me tell Brother Femi that I read my Bible daily I'm not part of the people who depends on what Pastor says only.

Shalom!

mahdino: Sorry I am not leaving out anything nor am I cherry picking,

Hmmm, really you don't cherry pick indeed.

I always analyse and back it with the bible,

All your Bible quote is upside down man.

Why don't u find out u why Jesus will tell u to go away from him?

because their work is full of iniquity not because they called Him Lord, Lord...mahdino the wrath of God is coming soon stop what you don't no.

U see that has been the problem, u don't really follow the teachings of Jesus, u follow the teachings of Paul and the church.

Who else will he follow if not Jesus? Hypocrite

Jesus teach and believe in One and Only God(1 in 1)

He is God Himself.

but u believe in Three in One (3 in 1),

Trinity forever!

Jesus said for u to go heaven u have to keep the laws and commandments Matt 5:17-19.

How many time will I correct you on these verses you're quoting all the time?

These are some of the reasons why he will tell u to go away.

Another lies.

Those few that follow Jesus and keep to his teaching will surely reach heaven

I will ask you again, do Mahdino and co also follow Jesus' teaching?

and most people today that follow the teaching of men (many he will tell go away) will not make to heaven.

If not because you're an hypocrite, you will say you're not cherry picking but why did you ignore the last phrase of that verse? Matt 7:21 "...But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven"
Then I asked you, what is the will of God? You couldn't give a concrete answer.

So u see he has reasons in his second coming to tell u to get away not that I'm cherry picking.

You still repeat your lies version.

There is one thing u need to reason not that every prophet has to use the same words to say it

Their teaching must be the same.

At the time of Noah, Noah is the way to God the truth and the life
At the time of Abraham, Abraham is the way to God the truth and the life.
At the time of Moses, Moses is the way to God the truth and the life.

All these prophet you mention, how many of them live up to 1000years? I ask you in one thread you ran away

At the time of Jesus, Jesus is the way to God the truth and the life.

Jesus said "I'm the way, the truth, and the LIFE, no one cometh to the Father except by me"
All the prophet you mention above get to heaven through Jesus Christ. Inwhich no prophet in the whole world has ever promised such certainty statement.

Mohammad (saw) is the last prophet (comforter, spirit of truth) he is the way to God the truth and the life.

How are you sure is the last prophet? He died over 1000years ago and many prophets of God has risen after him, you can see that you can't compare Jesus with any man because He is the 'Messiah' which all prophets before Him and After Him adore.

He said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and he(Abraham) saw it, and was glad,John 8:56 likewise Moses, Isaiah, David, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi e.t.c. Is a pity that if Muhammad didn't see Jesus' day before He died, Jesus will not know him.

Because people blackmail him and we are trained to hate him is not a reason.

Nobody blackmail Him, it's written black and white in your book.

Truth will always be the truth whether we see it or not it will not change.

Jesus' statement!

See the word of Jesus to you if only you will listen as you claim you believe in Jesus.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God was your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

If Jesus proceeded out from God (like mahdino proceeded out from his parent) not that Jesus recieved His message through angel. Who should you follow mahdino?


Shalom!

rhymz: The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor
original with Christianity. It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at least two centuries before the birth of Christ, and has been prominent in many Eastern religions ever since. The Roman
Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils (Western and Eastern churches) brought the
Trinity doctrine into Christianity.

Just a one question on quoted part above. When they brought the ideaology of Trinity into Christendom, do they re-write Bible or still the same Bible we seen today?

The simple Trinity is this;

*Father-Is the God Himself.
*Son(word/Jesus)-Is the spoken-word of God Himself.
*Holyspirit-The spirit of God Himself.

These three are one! Both the word(Jesus) and the Holyspirit always have IMAGE of invisible God(Father) in any of their operation.

Jesus Himself comformed Trinity in John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

He used WE (Personal Singular Pronouns), how many people He's talking about?

Also He used OUR (Possesive Adjective), how many people He's also talking about?

Shalom!

mahdino: Pls u tell us what am I twisting? This is simple basic straight forward language.

Is it not you hmmm or na today we don dey talk am?

I know what need you is a Bible teacher that's all.

mahdino: Mee234 pls let's be fair and truthful to ourselves.
Let me ask you a question.
Do the muslims call Jesus lord, lord? NO
Do the Jews call Jesus lord, lord? NO
Do the Hindus call Jesus lord, lord? NO
Do the Christians call Jesus lord, lord? YES
So in his second coming when u go and call him lord lord have we not prophesied in your name and do many mighty works, he will tell u go away from me I don't even know u, u people of iniquity. Matt 7:22.

This is what we're saying, twisting Bible upside down out of ignorant. Only God will save people.

Ask yourself, is this what the Bible really teach?

bilms: Emusan, i repeate, you are wrong.....

You never tell me why?

Their Qur'an tells them a different thing to what your bible tells you.

But on one person, right? If Jesus who was mention in the Bible is the same one mention in Quran, who is right and who is wrong?
I will only agree with you if Quran is talking about another jesus.
But if they're both talking about the same Jesus, is it the book that came after 600years of His event that is right or the one that the eyes witnesses wrote that is right?

So, Should they come forward to tell you that your bible is wrong,

That is what they do, I repeat myself Yes!

would you welcome them and agree that your bible is wrong?

This is the causes of the arguement.


Imagine I don't believe in a pagan god called 'god of Iron' but I want to tell god of Iron worshiper that worshiping your god without Oil is the best.

If no, why do you expect them to accept what ever your bible tells you which according to their Qur'an is wrong?

If they didn't quote from Bible falsefully to support their lie about Jesus whatever they say I'm in support.

You can see where the problem comes.. it is you who fail the tolerant test not them....

No they should stop quoting from Bible or interpret It wrongly just to support their false believe about Jesus.

learn to understand the basics of religion instead of being aggressive and when they return your aggression,

If you know me I believe this your statement won't come out.

you will claim Muslims are intolerant.

How did you know sir?

Salam.

This is another case, I remember when a muslim told me that Jesus greets in Islam way 'salam alleku' just because Jesus said 'peace be unto you' is that not funny? Now because I always end my post with Shalom you too adopted the style....lol


Shalom!

rhymz: really.....so in a way, Jesus Christ is God himself, right?

You're right.

God in his younger form I guess..

Never guess God in His own Word.

does this even make sense

Honestly it does, because God is non-contingent being.

Shalom!

Pastor Olu T: Good day bro,
But the bible clearly shows that there are three different personalities, so explain further pls?

They are three from one God not that Holyspirit exists on His own, Jesus(the Word) exists on His own, and the Father exists on His own.

Or the three have different background is the same God who changed His own WORD into flesh John 1:14 and sent out His own Spirit John 15:26 both the Word and the Spirit has the same IMAGE of the invisible Father in any of their operations.

Shalom!

bilms: Even the poster is a Muslim,

And you believe all these saying about Jesus, I'm very sure not all Muslim will agree with you.

so you are wrong to say Muslims don't agree.

Till tomorrow they don't because of its implication on their side.

The problem starts from your wrong notion.

How? For me to say Holyspirit is not Muhammad, or Jesus is the Only begotten Son of The Father, or Jesus died and resurrected.

Please kindly tell me my wrong notion?

Shalom!

bilms: Emusan,

I reply you because of this!

it is you who is wrong not them.

How?

You have no right what so ever to tell Muslims that there believe is wrong,

Imagine, why don't I have right? When my Bible tells me Jesus was crucified, He is the only begotten Son of God, He resurrected from death and He still alive today. And someone who doesn't believe on Jesus says all these are wrong because his/her book didn't say so.

just as they have no right to tell you that yours is wrong.

That's what they do which leads to this your thread.

So the problem is you not them.

How?



Shalom!

bizmahn: Trinity can simply be likened to a PERFECT SCENARIO husband & wife relationship.The two become one yet they are seperate personalities & the husband is the head. In the trinity three are one in PERFECT UNITY,PURITY,PURPOSE etc but they are three distinct personalities & the father is the head.If trinity is not the name you prefer for this, give it another worthy name & its all the same thing.

The major misconception in Trinity is the @bolded part above.

Trinity isn't a three seperate Beings but one Being.

*Jesus is the Spoken-word of God
* Holyspirit is the Spirit of God Himself

As human being has spirit and word in himself which represents them anywhere anytime.

Well when you're talking about Holy unity' you're still referring to Trinity because Trinity was derived from these words Tri-u-nity

Tri-signfices Three, any figure that has three bounded side can be regarded as one straight line when it being cut anywhere.

That's the mystery of Trinity.

bilms: HOW TO BRIDGE RELIGIOUS DIVIDE

nice point!

I as a christian I don't talk about Islam or argue with them because I grew up in SW even have Muslim as friends not just about two Months ago, simply because when I saw the way there're twisting the Word of God. So I just tried to show them the light not propably arguing, which I have decided to stop this day.

I as a Christian, i believe Jesus is the lord and savior, he his the son of God, he died on the cross of Calvary for my sins, he his the truth and the way. You as a Muslim should understand this simple faith and accept me and my Christian faith,my believe and my God.

No offence ooo, with my little research here and on Islam world wide no Muslim will ever agree this above statement with, why?

Just because their BOOK Quran is totally false on them which we all know.

The argument comes when you try to let them know that all the above statement are true about Jesus, but they purposely opposed it because once they accept it their Book if wrong.

In conclusion, I'll just say we should continue to preach the Gospel of Christ not by arguement just say your mind base on the scriptures without adding your own personal view which has caused many set back to the Gospel of Christ today and we should stop promoting religion-christianity.

Shalom!

benalvino: bro we have gone through this before.. it will be another endless one

You're right sir, imagine Frosbel think Jesus is an angel lol.. Whom Angels themself are worship.

mahdino: Pls talk with reason, i said Jesus kept beards like the muslims cos if God want him to shave he could have tell him or are u saying that there is no barber at the time of Jesus that is why he did not shave?

There's know barber stop exposing your ignorance here. That's why I said all ancient people NOT ONLY JESUS Mahdino kept there're beards. After AD when civilization begins to show face is Muhammad used to trim his hair and beards. From Adam - to AD they don't cut nor trim hair and beards hmmmm.

U keep talking of the will of God did u know all the prophets of God taught salvation @ there own time.

Very wrong of you! They all prophesy the coming of Messiah (salvation through one man JESUS.) and taught poeple the way of God only not salvation

Whatever u leave for God to decide for u is his will and all the prophet there has never been a time that they taught that someone will carry your burden,

Even Jesus Himself said Moses wrote about Him, how come? Then you will know that from Genesis to Malachi all prophesied the birth, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus. It doesn't just happen overtime.

they taught believe in one God and practice righteousness that has remain the will of God.

So far you can't show me the will of God in Quran, how are you sure you're saved? Just asking sha!
All what you put up there are not the will of God concerning man.

The first time the so called idea of the inherited sin came was Roman myths, pls read history long before christianity.

Thanks for the advice.

The book of Eziekel 18:20 say the soul that sin he shall die, the father will carry the iniquity of the son nor shall the son carry the iniquity of the father.

Then who says the above is wrong? You need to update your understand about God Himself.

It is Paul that brought up the Roman ideology that Jesus die for your sin.

Whta about the prophecy of Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, Moses e.t.c do you also say their wrong?

What a nonsencecical idea that the most loving God was offended billions of years without our knowledge and imagine that the God u call most loving cannot forgive one man but duplicate the sin

This's how shallow your brain is, you think God duplicated sin mahdino,,SMH

and castigate everybody but has to shed the blood of someone, u call that loving?

What you don't know is "without shelding of blood there's no remission" and God didn't do that with someone but His only begotten Son.

That is shylock, blood thirst.

Not only you will say this. But remember we are serving the same God right?

Even a dog can forgive and forget when u beat him.

How sure are you?

What is wrong with u? Think man.

Nothing Sir, just ask yourself; how confuse am I?

For u to get salvation keep that laws and commandments.

Is that what Quran teaches? If yes, what is salvation then and show me verse that support your claim?

Many question are being asked in this post failure to attempt them all may result to no reply.

Shalom!

mahdino: People can say what they want to say, saying islam is fake is just your wishful thinking.

Did I response to the Op or your fallacious statement?

Whether the Jew started circumcision or not, I am just trying to tell u that all religion that came from God practice it.

Who started it and who copy each other? By saying all religion do circumcised is a pure lie go and read history my brother.

Who told u that the Jew is the name of Moses religion?

Judaism is the religion of Old Jews.

U are talking about ancient people keep beards, that is how God wanted them to dress it.

Infact I can't stop laughing at you. If God wanted it that way why you mahdino don't leave it as theirs? You barber you hair but trim the beards, what a confuse state.

Do u think that at the time of Jesus there was no barber?

Another lie, what is the meaning of civilization and when did it start? You need to go back on history man!

I told Jesus submit his will to God, the will of God is to save his prophet,

I don't think you reason before you type, no offence ooo. If the will of God is to save his prophet, how many prophet of God that didn't taste death?

if God did not want to save Jesus he would not have given him the chance to pray to save him.

Likewise He won't have given them chance to arrest Him.

I thought u said he will come and willing die without defence, why did he prepare self defence and told his diciples to come with sword and guard him?

If you need sunday school teacher on that tell me.
There're many way you've tried to prove the death of Jesus wrong but alll in vain.

Jesus belives in only one God , but know u say 3 in 1. U are lying.

Well if Trinity is your problem that's for you because all christians believe in only one God. But a powerful God who can manifest Himself in different ways as we seen in the universe because things that we seen were not made from things that do appear.

What I understand is that u did not know the meaning of a muslim. The meaning of a muslim in arabic is someone who submits his will to God, so count them Noah, Abraham, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad all of them we respect and revere them cos they all practice the same religion of One God and we are sent (messenger) by one true God.

If Islam is the submition to will of God, what does the Quran says about the will of God?

You said in one post that the "will of God is to obey his commandment and to have success in this life and the life to come" which I have debunked.

frosbel: Okay ,let me agree with you for the benefit of doubt that Jesus Pre-existed , answer this simple question !

- How many spirits did he have when he came as a MAN

Moring Mr. Frosbel, hope you see my post to your questions above?

Shalom!

Ref: Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

frosbel: 1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist

Jesus is the spoken-word of God! He begins to exist when God said "Let there be...." that's why John said In the beginning (when Time starts) was the WORD", this's the major reason why Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creations.

Imagine Frosbel was with his J.Brother and he said to him "go and get me water". Your Bro. will do according to your instruction(the word that come from your mouth). Now let assume your Bro. is not there and you need water, then you pronounce "water in a cup, come!" without move an inche, and suddenly a cup filled with water appeared as you commanded.
Then you will realise that you only issue a command but something carried out the action.
Let's assume you didn't talk to your Brother or speak to air, what will happen? Nothing will happen!

That's why John said "..and without him(The Word) was not any thing made that was made."

Some verses will say GOD created the worlds(Gen 1:1) also some will say the WORD created it(Heb 11:3). Do they contradict themselves? No! because God only issue a command and the WORD(Jesus) carries out the action. Without command no action, so God is the one who created the universe by is Word(Jesus)

Jesus made it clear that "the Son can do nothing except being given by the Father" just because if God didn't speak nothing will happen.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."
In this verse Jesus proceeded and came from God and He was sent by God, how? because the WORD proceeds from God as God sent(given instruction). Jesus also said John 14:11 "Believe me(The image of invisible God) that I(The WORD) am [is] in the Father(Holyspirit), and the Father(Holyspirit) in me(The image of invisible God):.."

Jesus also said "I and my Father are one" Just because nobody can seperate your word from you.
That's why John said "...and the Word was God...."

More to say about Jesus as the spoken-word of God.

2. What connection is there between the pre-existence of Jesus and our salvation

The simple answer to this question is, since Jesus(The word) only carried out actions from God's commandment and He is the life of every men. So God send the same WORD to perfect what It started from beginning.

3. how do you relate his pre-existence to Isaiah 11:10 and Romans 15:12

You can only get this right by looking at the origin of Jesus. Angel visited Mary and told her that Holyspirit will come upon her. In general agreement we know that Holyspirit didn't sleep with Mary, then what Holyspirit did when It came upon her? Holyspirit only came and spake a WORD, how do we know this? John 1:14 gave us the answer "And the Word was made flesh,...." So after Holyspirit spake the WORD according the BOLDED Ref above "..so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" in case of Jesus "The thing we seen(Jesus) was not made of thing we know(sperma) that's why Jesus' birth was a miracle. Now when The WORD was made flesh to come in blood and water 1John 5:6 It must surely come from a descendant which is the root of Jesse.

John couldn't make a mistake when he said "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three(plural) are one(singular)."

Jesus Himself comfirmed this statement before He died "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we(singular personal pronouns as one) will come unto him, and make our(singular possesive adjectives as many 'The Father, The Holyspirit, and The Word(Jesus)' abode with him."

Question from the above verse should be, why three person will make abode inside a man? Simply because The Word(Jesus) is inside the Holyspirit.

My point here might be ignored but Jesus still remains the Spoken word of GOD, and It was The Word that carried out the operations of the creations.

Jesus will remain "only begotten Son of God" untill God cease to speak. Remember will only gave this WORD name when It became Flesh. Jesus said "I'm going to my Father," that is, the Word is returning back to the owner.

Shalom!

mahdino: Read above my last post u attend to answer

No question there I only tried to replied your post. If you know you can't paste your question(s) here then, keep it to yourself.

Shalom!

These are the type of question I'm expecting from @Frosbel his like since.

frosbel: My first few questions to Enigma and indeed the house are :
1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist
2. What connection is there between the pre-existence of Jesus and our salvation
3. how do you relate his pre-existence to Isaiah 11:10 and Romans 15:12


Please respond point by point, haphazard replies will be ignored.

Thanks.

Give details when I get home.

Pastor Olu T: @Emusan rightly said.
Good morning bro, I will want to believe ur week has been going smoothly.

Thanks! Yea by His grace and you also?

Here we are again on pre-existence of Jesus Christ, like @Pastor T has said "No true Christian would ever say Jesus was an angel, and if any does it shows his/her ignorance."

Jesus Himself comfronted people about His pre-existence: John 6:62 "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"

John the Baptist also made it clear in two different occasions: John 1:15 "15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."

John 1:30 "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

I believe we all know that John the Baptist was born before Jesus, how come he said Jesus was before him?

Who this verse John 1:10 is talking about Yehweh or Yeshua?

John 1:10 "10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."

I think the question you should ask yourself is, who Jesus is when He was in heaven?
Shalom!

Yooguyz: the empowerment of the holy ghost is wat distinguishs a 'man of God' from a 'pastor'
'witnessing' from 'preaching'

You're right! The shameful part of it is that majority of Christians today don't seek for this empowerment of the Holyghost instead they fast and pray for success and prosperity; good as those things are but it can't bring the power of God down.

@Op, nice write up!

I pray the power of evangelism will come upon us IJN. Amen!

mahdino: Emusan, you have not answered, u are cutting my talk and delibrately fumbling around.

What was your question sir?

frosbel: ^^^^^


Jesus is definitely not GOD.

MKO has done enough justice for making all his statement from Bible unlike FROSBEL doing copy and paste.

all the fact above is it true or false?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]HIS word-SON Jesus[/quote]God bless you for this point, this is what most people including some Christians don't know about Jesus.

mahdino: Hey boy, u don't know what u are talking about. Don't u know that Jesus wash his hands head and feet just like a muslim,

You're still spreading this your false teaching.

he fell on his face to pray to God just like a muslim,

Were you there? See how Jesus said we should pray Matt 6:9 why don't you pray in that way but chose only His style of praying?

he was circumsied just like a muslim,

Is it Muslims that start circumcision or Jews?

he keep beards just like a muslim,

This is to show you how brainwash you are, all ancients people kept their beards and not even beards including their hairs I will take you serious if you leave your hair uncut together with your beards. Beside you kept your beards as ancient style not like Jesus...hmmmm

he submit his will to God just like a muslim,

But you claim He didn't; when you said He prayed to God so that He won't die and God send Him angels and delivered Him (meaning Jesus's will exceeded God's will). If you now agree He submited to the will of God, but the will of God is for Jesus to sheld His blood(died). So you agree Jesus died now?

he said there is only one God just like a muslim

Who else claim multiple gods?

and he said for u to get salvation just believe that there is only one God and him the messenger of God (John 17:3),

Now do you believe in Jesus?

JESUS IS A MUSLIM.

What is the meaning Muslim?
When Jesus was born and died 600years before Islam..lol

Keep deluding yourself.

I have told you to stop chasing the shadow of religion and seek for salvation of your soul which have been concealed only in Jesus blood for everyone to be reconcile to God Almighty because there is NO other NAME given to man under the sun to be saved than the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Shalom!