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Have you ever gone to a church seeking God and instead got the famous words: "If you want to be born again, then repent, do good, then tithe"? Even if you do complete all these churchly "tasks," does it still leave a hollow place inside of you where you wanted God and were fed religion instead? Do you ever wonder if there is more to being a Christian than being good and giving money to the church? Well, here's some good news!

1 Consider that God gave us the Law to show us our need for a Savior:
Paul tells us that the Law is good if it is used lawfully. It is just a mirror, not a to do list. Scripture says the Law is a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. It doesn't save us it just shows us we need saving.

2 Read Galatians, where Paul talks about faith being the only way to God:
He completely dismisses the notion that following the old Jewish law is necessary for salvation. The law is summarized by Jesus as loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. Faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved. Reading the Bible for yourself is a wonderful way to come to know God your father better.

3 Make time for God: God delights in being with you, and always has time to chat. Making time for just you and Him is important.

4 Accept that no one is perfect, or a "good Christian":
No matter how much a person has tithed (i.e., paid "church taxes", this does not make the person better than another. God does not care about literal actions alone. What truly matters is motives in your heart and soul. Even if you donate a vast amount of money and time to a great Christian organization, if you do this with a mindset of glorifying yourself, God does not favor it. "To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice" (Proverbs 21:3, NIV).

5 Don't abuse your belief as an excuse for sinning:
Jesus' death doesn't mean it's alright to go out and sin. Jesus' death may have freed Christians from the heavy bonds of sin but it's not time to go out and collect some more for Jesus to wash away. It is time to live out your life of freedom before others. And to share your talents, skills and love with others. This way Jesus may draw all people to Himself through seeing what you have. The whole point of His death was not so that you could sin more and bathe in His grace, but so that he could free you and turn you away from your slavery and bonds to the evils of sin.

6 An insightful quote from DC Talk: "The single biggest cause of atheism in the world today is CHRISTIANS, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

7 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? Micah 6:8


Prepare for the way of the Lord your God.


Shalom!

aManFromMars:

emusan, this MSG dey sweet my belle.. I no no why sha...

Remain bless Bro. And let's keep the gospel of Christ moving.


Shalom!

1 It is not necessary to go to church or other place of worship to find God, though it may be very helpful:
Find a place of worship that you feel good about. Ask around for a good church. If you're lucky, you'll find a spiritual church that allows God to move freely without limits, and people who are kind and accepting. If you find a place like that, it'd be a good idea to make your self knowledgeable about what they believe.

2 Do not turn off your brain: Faith can be reasonable and rational. Faith is different from superstition. As a seeker, you will be looking for reasons for your faith, for truth about spiritual matters, and for your own evidence of a divine being. Be open-minded about the supernatural, without being gullible.

3 Start your search with an open mind:
Examine documents that support faith in God. Be cautious of people or organizations that mock God and faith or that profess to possess the only truth about God. Most Churches have some truth.

4 Choose a person of faith. Ask them to give you direction. This does not need to be a pastor, vicar, nun or evangelist. Simply ask someone that you respect for their personal convictions.

5 Compose questions for your search:
*Is there a God?
*What are the attributes or characteristics of the nature of God?
*How is an infinite being revealed to mortal men?
*What is God's assessment of mankind?
*Is it possible to love an infinite God or being loved by infinite God?
*If mankind needs redemption, how is it transacted?

6 Speak to God yourself. Most religions recognize prayer as a basic function of faith. Tell God about your quest and your reasons for choosing to become a seeker and to love Him. Ask God for help understanding His ways and truth while seeking God.

7 Be ready to discard notions you may have of the nature of God:
It has been said that in order to find God, one must give up on one's human, finite concept of who and what God is. Using your finite mind to try to grasp infinity is like asking a fish to swallow the oceans of the world. You're bound to find something you aren't 100% ready for. If you don't, you're not being honest with yourself in your search.

8 Be ready to look outside of one organized denomination: Religion and God are not the same thing.

9 Consider reading the holy books that are referred to as being or containing the word of God as pinned by prophets and apostles (followers) of God, for example the Holy Bible or Quran.


Without FAITH it is impossible to please Him. Heb 11:6

Faith cometh by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Rom 10:17

I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Prov 8:17

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23

You can find God on a very limited quantity of faith, as small as a tiny mustard seed.


Shalom!

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Nice one, keep it up.

Why mod hide my post na?

plaetton: Thanks for your god-package offer, and of course, with the usual bonus threat of hell fire.

Something was missing in that statement I mean "I'm not threating.."

Please pardon me I won't be able to reply the rest of your post.


Shalom!

onetrack: I fully acknowledge that I have no faith in any god.

I didn't proclaim any god but God Almighty the maker of Heaven and Earth.
Nobody can do without FAITH.
Before you accept those scientific method you must put your faith on them.

What then? I don't believe in mystical stuff,

That's why God said "without FAITH noone can please Him"

because once you accept that mysticism exists, where does it end? Witchcraft? Astrology? Faith healing?

Then you're not ready to see God/expirence God's existence.
Beside it depends how you put your FAITH into work because "FAITH without WORK(works of thy hand) is dead"

So it looks like god has no alternative but to reveal itself to skeptics/atheists.

Like scientist will never change their method for any reason so God can't change His way of Holiness because of Atheist/skeptics. Or as anybody will never change all the universal laws (except God) rather than to obey them.

God has revealed Himself to us through creations: Rom 1:19-21 "19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him(God) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Though what you need is the physical manifestation of God which I've explained to you.

If it does not then that is its own problem.

Then stop asking for the evidence of God's existence because He has shown you they way you can access Him.

And the more I've studied religion the more convinced I am that it is all just man-made.

I didn't blame you to reason like that but it's because of what MAN (especially christians) has turn the world to.

Shalom!

ebamma 3: to the bible believing and allah believing guys in the house, how can you prove to an atheist that God really exist?

The steps of the scientific method are to:
*Ask a Question
*Do Background Research
*Construct a Hypothesis
*Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
*Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
*Communicate Your Results

Steps to become a scientist:
A scientist investigates how the universe, or specific parts of it, work. Scientists formulate hypotheses from early observations, then test those hypotheses with additional observations and experiments in which they can measure those results and confirm or refute their hypotheses.
1 Be curious.
2 Take the necessary preparatory classes in high school and college.
3 Go to graduate school.
4 Participate in a post-doctoral program. Without these you can't be a scientist.

Steps to Find God Almighty:
1 Have Faith in God
2 Believe His will (that He has sent His only Son-Jesus Christ) John 3:16.
3 Believe His only Son and Jesus(God) will manifest Himself to you. John 14:21-23

NOTE: God can manifest Himself to whosoever ready to receive Him.

Atheist don't want to follow God's way(method) yet they want Him(God) to manifest Himself to them. Everything have its own protocol and method so also God.

He said without FAITH nobody can please Him and Jesus said whosoever love Him and keep His words He(God) will come unto him, and make their abode with him.

If you ask some ex-christians Atheist did you ever receive baptism of the Holyspirit during your christianity Llife---their answer will be NO! Though I can't blame them because even most pastors today there're not helping matter than to preach PROSPERITY rather than teaching the way of the Lord.

No one says Jesus is the Son of God except being given by the Holyspirit. Holyspirit has been given to MAN but for those who are read to receive it.

Before you can claim that God exists in this life you need to expirence baptism of the Holyspirit, which many people are not reay for.


Shalom!

plaetton: I feel inclined to assist my pro-Trinitarian friends to prove that Jesus and God are one and the same.

I just want Notable NL anti-trinitarians to dare me.

I never seen an Atheist who so much love to talk about God like yours. Plaeton draw near to God so that He can draw near to you. Knowledge and thinking will come to an end oneday in you..."fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" I'm threating you with Hell but God has said it and it will surely come to pass. If God is not real I will be a liar.

Shalom!

JMAN05: granted, some may fall into the temptation of viewing spiritual matters with human thinking.

Ok

however, when i say that your position on a certain subject is incorrect or carnal, you will immediately say I am joking because you are convinced that you are correct. and if you say the same to me, i will still say you are wrong cos i am convinced of what i believe too. Now, if we go along such accusations without a prove, each of us will end up deceiving ourselves. what then do we do?

Ok I agree with you. But not by limiting one of the attribute of God (omnipotent)/compare it with that of man.

We then need to follow the apostolic method. how? by proving our point and logically showing the other person from the scriptures why his view is wrong. read acts 17:2; 18:28.

Ok.

Now any teaching with is not consistence with the WHOLE parts of the bible that has bearing on the subject under discussion is wrong.

But Jesus as a Spoken-word of God is in the Bible.

I think that this is a good format instead of just saying 'hey! you are wrong.'

Anyway I didn't say you're wrong.

@Jman
What I want to point out which I've seen in many people arguing about Trinity or mostly Jesus as God is this, when Man begins to think that God also has equal power, knowledge and will like a Man(human being) and using this concept to interpret the word of God there'll be a problem.

God is a being who can manifest Himself the way He likes once you know this then you'll see the perspetive of Jesus as God.

Shalom!

Van snickers: Have you had a real encounter with Yahweh?

Absolutely YES! Reason why I'm pleading to my Atheist brothers to try and find God's way. God is true if not, I'd have become maybe an Atheist/Agnostic by now.

Shalom!

musKeeto: This is a post from that thread. These days, honest Christians are hard to find..

In my post I made mention of 'Ihsan' true or false?

Now see this statement: "However if by"presence" you mean being in a state ofawareness then in Islam there is a state called "Ihsan", which is where you are in constant remembrance of God.

'Constant remembrance' is different from when somebody invisible is with you and talking to you.

Being in the presence of the Holyspirit means is like there's someone beside you/sometimes talk to you.

Faith and physical nature inwhich many christians hold on to as a great evidence of God existence belittle God's promises itself because many places in the Bible shows that God can manifest Himself to us.

If you've been serving God for more than 2 years and you havn't heard the audible voice of God/feel the presence of the Holyspirit in person as a christian then you need to check yourself.

musKeeto: This should help you.
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134312016-what-does-allahs-presence-feel-like.html

The site you refer me to even support my claim. "They believe no one can hear from or see Allah" it's only one person who claim being in the presence of Allah at "Ihsan". Then if God can speak to people like Noah, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah e.t.c why we today can't hear from God/feel His presence around us as a person? This is the finishing work of the Holyspirit, He allows you to feel the presence of God as if somebody is with you, He can talk to you as if a friend is talking to you.


Shalom!

Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled all the prophecies about the Messiah in the Jewish Bible (Old Testament).
In the Holy Bible, John 14:9 states that Jesus said: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."
So, "How should you accept Christ as your Savior"?

1 Understand God's Holy Nature:
Many people do not understand the concept of the Holy Trinity, and some explain it the wrong way. Well, The Orthodox Church (the first established Christian church) (This is not to promote Orthodoxy, it is just to state the first Christians' belief about the Nature of God) says: "God is one while being in a Trinity".

2 Seek to understand God's plan: "So, I need to be saved from what, and why? Believing in God and The Bible is crucial to understanding "What is a savior?" and "Why be saved?" The Bible is God's revealed word to mankind, written by people so yielded to God's will that God chose them to write it. The people who wrote the books of the Bible were inspired (given the words) by God. They all agree in purpose and point to Christ, the Messiah, though they were written over a period of more than a thousand years: The Bible teaches that all people have sin in their lives.
Sin is any act that displeases God, as sin separates us from God, who is perfect, such that the payment we are to pay for sin is spiritual death-- permanent separation from God.

3 Understand who could save you from spiritual death: Because we are all born sinful, we are unable by our own whimsical or very deep reason--or in our own strength and morality-to please a perfect God. However, God sent His son Jesus as your representative and as your ransom from being captive.
John 3:16-17 (NIV): "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

4 Admit that you have sinned: It is a prerequisite to accepting Christ. Once you understand that we are and you are a sinner and that all have sinned, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness by repenting of your sins.

5 Profess Jesus as your savior: Romans 10:13, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Say, "Father in Heaven, I believe that Jesus died for my sins." And God will impart eternal life to your spirit.

6 Understand that Jesus said to receive or accept Him we must receive whom He sent. (John13:20) That is the Holy Spirit (John15:26)

7 Remember to ask for the Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit does not come automatically when a person believes but Jesus says everyone who asks receives (Luke11:9-13)

8 Tell God what you want to say to Him: John 9:31 "Now [in this] we know that God [listens] hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and does His will [receives Christ], him He hears [answers]." Talking to God can be in many forms, whether in a prayer or in an ordinary way as in talking to others. Here's a prayer suggestion,
"My God and my Savior, I know I have sinned before you, and I know about all the bad things I have in my life. But with you my God, I shall never fear even the worst things in life, because you have sent your only and true Son, Jesus, to be crucified, and to pay the price of my own sins. I come to you my God to confess everything I have done in my life, and to tell you I am sorry. I am here to declare you King on my life, my thoughts and my actions. I want you to be my Savior. Please God, forgive me, for I have sinned before you. My God and my LORD, reign over my life, because your reign is perfect and your kingdom will never see an end. Amen"
Feel the presence of God in faith while kneeling. Kneeling is efficient, if you want to concentrate on nothing but your prayer.

musKeeto: The only reason you are Christian is cos ur yet to encounter Allah.

Ask anyone who is a worshiper of the bold whether he/she has ever feel His presence or having a real encounter with Him?

I must admit that sometimes I wonder if the average christian really understands that there is a spiritual war raging around him—in his home, church, school—well, everywhere! The NT contains a lot of war terminology. I was particularly reminded of this passage in Ephesians:
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. ( Ephesians 6:12)

And then this instruction follows to make sure Christians are equipped for the battle:
Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. ( Ephesians 6:13–17)

It seems to me that many Christians are virtually asleep while a battle rages all around them. They go to church, send their kids to school, and come home and watch TV or whatever they like to do—all seemingly oblivious to a shocking and destructive war that is capturing them, many of their kids and grandkids for the enemy and is destroying the culture.

I am burdened by the thought that every Christian must understand they are all soldiers in a battle—and they all need to be at the front line and equipped to engage the enemy, who is set to drag them down and capture the coming generations of children.

Ken-Ham

Shalom!

musKeeto: Honestly, we don't miss you.

Lol...I will always miss you people.


Shalom!

Mintayo: what do u mean by saying bye-bye to them?
Are you talking about arguing with them or evangelizing(telling them abt Jesus)?
I believe u know there is nothing wrong in doing the latter!

I mean the Bold. The latter will be done without the bold. Thanks Sir!


Shalom!

Ajibam: Amen...and the Bad news is that..time is going

I have said bye-bye to Atheist about two Months ago and Muslim going to a Month now because I realise that I need more God's manifestation than them self.

Shalom!

nlmonpoint: Buh my friend, if Jesus was God , why did he have to pray to God?

God only made His own word to became a flesh in the person of Jesus. Your word is also you simple.

mahdino: It will be good if u suggest important topic to discuss on the likes;-
1 Is the bible God's word? Or
2 Was Christ crucified? Or
3 Is Jesus God?
Or any other important topic.
Let start a thread on the debate and invite everyone both through the net and other media means. I believe Abuja is a good place for it to take place.

Well the way you want to handle this I perceived it in a boyant way. I would've so welcome this idea but facing some personal issue now i.e finance, beside this I have made up my mind going to a Month now that I won't engage myself in any argument about God, Jesus and the Bible anymore and search net just to support my argument rather I preach the Gospel of Christ which I'm so serious about.

Initially I thought is something that will involve you and I only because as it is now I'm very sure we'll get additional prove from outside the Bible.

So I will seek a permition to give me a little time to face my challenges now, and when time comes I will invite you with a condition "if only our discusion will not go beyond the Bible and Quran-no link or additional source but any version of Bible or Quran is allow. Thanks.


Shalom!

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]South America (christian inquisition/forced conversion), Phillipines(christian inquisition/forced conversion), North America (chrisitian missionary work/forced assimilation and conversion of natives/genocide of native tribals), Europe (forced conversion/inquisition),Egypt(forced conversion of Pagans/destruction of Pagan Library in Alexandria,etc.) sub-saharan Africa (slave-trade sanctioned by church highest-suthority, forced conversion of slaves in New Land and on ships).[/quote]Thanks for this, just that I have made up my mind not to post anything from net about God again.

Shalom!

bilms: One thing you fail to realize is that, if i should engage you in this discus,

Even if you start I won't because I said it earlier.

all your long write ups would turn short as i am very certain that you lack the intellectual strength to hold a discussion without resorting to personal abuse.

Hmmm!

Just now, you asked, why did i say you are wrong, and i made it clear that, it is because you want to impose your religious view on others against theirs, and when they reject such, you call them names and tag them intolerant and their religion bad or wrong. What did you do next? Call me hypocrite. Do you know the meaning of a hypocrite? I doubt. Many of you guys just use words without knowing it meaning and usage. Anyway, take care. Salam

Ok I agree anything you believe is right is that is that ok by you?

If you my post as being abusive kindly forgive me.

Jesus has come and died for our sins anything you believe about Him so it be.

Shalom!

rhymz: you are not allowed to manufacture your own facts and personal opinions.

I didn't but I always infer my point from Bible Itself.

1. Is Jesus Christ Begotten, yes or know?

Yes! The firstborn of all creation. He begins to exist when God said "Let there be.." because He's the spoken-word of God.

Imagine you & your J.Brother were together and you need water, you told him "get me water" he'll do according to your command(the word that came from your mouth), let's assume nobody was there with you and you say "water in a cup come out" suddenly a cup filled with water appeared but you didn't move an inch,Then you will know that you only issue a COMMAND but something performed the ACTION, again if you decided not to send your J.B or speak in the air; Nothing will happen!
We read in many places in the Bible that God created the worlds whereas some places also said God created It by 'His word' do will say they contradict? No! because God only issue a command and HIS WORD performed the action God didn't do the whole thing Himself but His word did it that's why at the end of every creation accounts this phrase always appears "And God saw it was good" because God waits for the word to accomplished His command.

2. If Jesus is God then who exactly is the Father that he so fondly refers to every time he is making a point about heaven, himself or a separate higher person or deity?

The point most people didn't understand about Trinity is that God only made His own word to became a flesh in the person of Jesus. It's when this WORD became flesh It was given a name He always with the Father. Your word always with you.

God is all powerful being who can manifest Himself the way He wants. He(God) sent His own word into the worlds in the person of Jesus John 1:10 "He(the word) was in the world, and the world was made by Him(the word), and the world knew Him(the word) not"

3. Does God have a spirit? If yes then in what form does he exist as God, another spirit too?

Even the book of Rev make it clear that God has seven Spirits. "seven spirits(plural) of God(singular). Also Jesus comfirmed it when He said 'God is a Spirit' John 4:24 He is a Spirit but has IMAGE.

not that I believe the incoherence rife on the bible

God is real honestly, it's just that people like to do things on their own that leads to all what we see about God today.

In Acts 7:55,56 and col 3:1, we are told that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God in heaven.

Bible said it but see detail below

How about the book of John 8: 7-18, where Jesus wanted to make it very clear that Jesus and God are two separate beings. It reads "It is written in your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the father that sent me beareth of me." If Jesus and
God are one in the same, Jesus wouldn't have been able to make that statement.

If only you could just agree that Jesus is the spoken-word of God then no confusion about Jesus' statement. He even said "My Father is greater than I". In my illustration above when you decided not to send your J.B or speak in the air, Nothing will happen. If God didn't speak Jesus will not act which make God greater than His WORD(Jesus). If you didn't speak nobody can hold your word against you. So when Jesus(the Word) was made flesh He totally different from what It was in the beginning(as a seperate being) but He was the IMAGE of the invisble Father on earth, He told Phillip "whoever has seen Me has seen the Father"

How about Rev. 5:7: And he (the lamb, Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne (God).

NOTE: A singular Throne was used throughout the book of Revelation. So let's see this verse again.

Rev 7:17 "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

So God seated on throne and the Lamb also in the midst of the throne. You see Jesus(the Lamb/Word) you see God. As He has told Phillip.

I await your response, if you can intelligently respond to these questions with out throwing childish temper tantrums then we can fully explore this discussion to its fullest.

Hope I didn't do as you thinketh?


Shalom!

mahdino: Allah said in the quran
"The similtude of Jesus in the sight of God is like that of Adam, he created him from dust and he said to him Be and he was.
If Jesus proceeded out from God but with mother so if he is god, then Adam is a greater god because he does not even have a mother.

Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?
Adam and Eve was made from the dust of the ground and God breathed in his nostrils a breathe of Life and he became a living soul. The way God created Adam was simple and cleared. All humans then came from their reproduction.

U keep saying lies. Ok when for example I say 2+2=4 and u think its a lie then u tell us the truth and give us reason why 2+2 is not 4. U just say lies and u start saying how u want it to be, that is not accepted.

God(The Father) sent His own word into the world in the person of Jesus Christ(The Son), and anointed Him(Jesus) with His own Holyspirit.

Father-is the God Himself
Son(The word/Jesus)-is the Spoken-word of God(the Father)
Holyspirit-is the Spirit of God(Father) Himself.

Your spirit and your word represent you anytime anywhere and their also you, true or false?

Hope is clear?

I have explained to u with examples the will of God, I guess I don't get your question give us an example.

The will of God for us is to be free from death, sorrow, sickness by having eternal life through His only begotten Son.

Emusan if u feel that u know ur bible so well then let's come together and reason, we can organise a debate, there are so many things that can be explained easier by speech.

I will be so greateful if this can be possibled. I live in Abuja, how can we meet?

Shalom!

Anuoluwap: At age 12 or so When he was left behind by Mary and Joseph he told them "why did you seek me? Do you not know that I should be in my Father's house? "When Jesus was to be betrayed by Judas; he took some of his disciples with him for prayer. Bt went alone to pray to his 'Father' . Again on the cross of calvary Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they do not know what they have done"
He said it with His own mouth what else? Or do you think he's refering to a non-existing Father?

All what you put up here happened because God sent His own word into the world in person of Jesus, it's until when the word became flesh was given name inwhich God Himself approve:
*Immanuel-God with us
*Alpha & Omega-The Beginning & The End
*The Almighty God e.t.c

John said 'and the word became flesh'. Ask yourself; whose word became flesh?


Shalom!

Anuoluwap: bro finish dat John u'll c more cncerning d mata.

No need to do that I've said it that JESUS is the WORD of GOD what else do you want or Am I wrong?

frosbel: Jesus is the Son of GOD - short and simple.

You didn't put 'First Begotten' there.

Are you saying Jesus is not the spoken word of God or what?