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Frank4YAHWEH: Colossians 1:16 is in reference to FATHER Yahweh and not to His SON Yahshua.

@Frank please & please and enough is enough just hold your peace about pre-existence of Yeshua. With a plain verses like that Col 1:14-18 you can still come and say the above.

God have mercy!

I remember this wonderful name of Yeshau...Immanuel.....God with Us......

mahdino: @ Emusan bro peace be upon u.

Dear Mahdino, may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Going back to the subject, I want u to know that apart from the sign of Jonah there are many other facts and testimonies in the bible that Jesus did not die

Ok Sir,

if only you will come out of that box the church has been preaching and see deep beyond what u are programme to believe.

It's too odd of you to say this, have you ever see me quote people's word outside the Bible? I always give you my own interpretation.

Why were the diciples terified (afraid) when Jesus came to the upper room?

Simply because they didn't believe it can happen.

Why did Jesus had to prove himself to them that he was the same fellow ALIVE not a spirit or resurrected body?

To strenghten their believe Jesus also shows them the point of the NAILS holes at His legs and hands for real comfermento.

Why did Jesus pray to the father that he should not let him die

He only said if Father will wish and let the cup pass over Him: Nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. and it's the will of the Father that prevaileth.

and why did the father answered his prayers sent angels to guarranty him and prophesied his answered prayers in Hebrew 5:7?

I will attend to this when I get home, show me where God send angels to him?

Hmmmm, anyway I know the first paragraph of this thread is about me. The thread I opened, what was the outcome?

I only have some verses to shear with you, I preach Christ as Christ has commanded us, I'm not a pastor but believer in Christ with a lot of evidence.

2 Corin 2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."

So I will never never hid or search web because of Bible, Bible is not a science books that you need people's knowledge to understand but a spiritual book which need a spiritual descernment to understand.

Lastly, Bible(God) allow everyone to make use of His word as he/she likes. With the help of Holyspirit/without Holyspirit.

As a result of this, secular interpretaion view has made many people to put their own meaning into it.

1 Corin 3:10-15 "10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

If the person's work is burnt by fire he/she shall be saved(because he/she believes in Jesus) but he/she will suffer for it.

So Bible is a book you can make It say whatever you want It to say.

Shalom!

Frank4YAHWEH: Reason #1. Heb 1:2a reveals Yahshua to be the heir of what was created.

Reason #2. More than 100 Scriptures show it was Yahweh (not Yahshua) who created the heavens and the earth. Heb. 1:2 must agree with the 100 other Scriptures. For a list of these [ask for] our paper, "Who Is the Creator?" ( http://www.halleluyah.org/ContactUs.html ).

For these reasons, the sentence in Heb. 1:2b must have
originally read like the Diaglott reads today, Yahweh "... in the last of these days spoke to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, ON ACCOUNT OF whom also he constituted the ages; ..."

Another acceptable translation would be, "... a Son, FOR whom he created the world."

Many times the King James Version as well as more modern versions translate dia as "for," "because of," "therefore" [meaning "for this reason"]. For a more detailed layout of the word di' (dia), [see] for our [study], "Hebrews 1:2 - Berry." ( http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/759287296/hebrews-12 0.

This is not to say the the King's Men purposely mistranslated, nor is this to say they were dishonest. Not at all. On the contrary, they no doubt delivered what they believed to be the correct translation of Heb. 1:2. We must realize, however, that all of the King's Men believed the doctrine of the Trinity (one is three, and three are one). Believing this, they saw no contradiction between this Scripture (as they translated it) and the 100 Scriptures which show that Yahweh the Father is truly and personally the Creator of the heaven and earth.
Excerpt from: http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html

Keep browsing internet when you can implore what is more knowledgable than any man 'the Holyspirit'.


John 12:28 "Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."

1st @bold-Jesus said God should glorified 'His name'.

2nd@bold-I have both glorified it, and wiil glorify it again'

How did God glorify His name again?

Phil 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:"

Ask Holyspirit for Bible's understanding Bro. Stop searching internet, Bible is not a science books, it's a spiritual book that need spiritual descernment to understand.

lanrexlan: some attributes given to God in the bible are very absurd to the Creator.

By who?
Remember is the God's own word, don't quote God's word only without attending to the question, by who?

We are worshipping the same God only if christians don't believe in the godhead and trinity.

Yet you acused Christian God committed those atrocity list by you and supported by your brethens, why can't you say 'OUR GOD'.

I know why you conclude this way because you are coming again to claim that Bible support the coming of Muhammad....very confuse of you and you should be ashamed of your previous post with this of one.

lanrexlan: Your ignorance is very pathetic,I am not yet to reply a goon.

Your own is what? Op asked a simple question but all what you do is ranting unnecessarily. Is Christian and Muslim serving the same God very simple question? Why are you perambulating like Jay Jay Okocha?

Ayomivic: why not end your post by saying that, we are not worshiping the same God?

My thought excertly!

@Op, this is the most confuse question of highest order in religion section be it in Islam for Muslim or here simply because our brethens are in a state of chaotic.

@Lanrexlan did well in his post unlike some people I know only that he still find it hard to come to conclusion either Yes or No!

If @mahdino should answer he will hide this truth of @lanre and claim he believes in Jesus but ignore this statement by Jesus 2 John 1:9 "9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." just to claim that Bible support their Master.

If @Udatso should answer, he will clearly confirm and says Yes! But he believes Bible contradict, Jesus didn't die, and also believe Bible is not the word of God, Only to justify the coming of their master.

If @RoyPcain should answer, infact it's another dimension entirely, he will say Yes! Just to claim Bible support the coming of their Master but believes Jesus is a rude Son to His mother, Bible is not complete(he only pick special verse that favour him in the Bible), Jesus is a Son of man.

If @Ayeni02 should answer, infact he is the most confused brethen I ever known on NL, he has created many threads inwhich himself get confused after he has claimed that Jesus prophesied the coming of Muhammad, but later comes to conclusion that Bible is so contradict and it can't be the word of God.

If @maclatunji should answer, many hidden post will appear.

My brethens are so confused to the extent that they don't know the part they should support in the Bible either Old Testament or New Testament.

*They claim Bible contradict
*They claim Bible is not the word of God, it fulls of Narrator's voice but the only part that support their claim is free from narrator's voice.
*They claim Jesus didn't die even when Jesus says He will die but believe Jesus when He said He will send their master.
*They claim all the apostles were wrong to claim Jesus died but believe those apostles were right in their statement of coming of Muhammad......and many more...

All are about confusion!

Those that are very open-minded believe we're not serving the same God. Those who hides under prejudice keep saying we are serving the same God and God can't lie. But the major problem they have is, if God can't lie and we're serving the same God; why do they not believe God when He said: "This is my beloved Son hear Him"?

Anyway we're serving the same God because God still loves everyone who comes to Him through His only begotten Son.
Shalom!

If not Christ it cannot be Christ, it is only Him that can change anybody's heart being Atheist, Pagan, Hirekiller, or whatever.

Now everywhere on internet, I join heaven to rejoice because a soul has won again. May God mercy sustain him till the end In Jesus Name (also me).

Emmanuel!!!

Frank4YAHWEH: Yahshua had to be a man just like us in having the same origin. Yahshua did not originate as "God" and pre-exist his birth as an actual being and neither did we!

Just because you want to prove Trinity wrong you can open your mouth and spew this statement?

God Himself will have mercy on us.

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

If Jesus can say He had glory with God before the world begins, does He pre-exist His birth or not?

Just let us be careful the way we handle the word of God.

Shalom!

demola21: oga okey, nawa 4 u oh! Where in the scripture is that found? When Jesus disciples ask Him to show them the Father, he said he who has seen me has seen the Father. So u are telling me that if me and u agree on an issue, u and me are 1?

What is killing the read message of the Bible today is the philosophy of world views which people have incorporated into Bible, that's why we see different interpretations to scripture based on secular mindset.

TUMIC: I'm not religious but I'll give it a shot - it wouldn't happen.

You're right!

According to the Bible the future's already written and that version of the future doesn't involve a twist ending in which Satan repents.

You're also right! But one thing left, in essence that if a sinner recognises that he/she is a sinner then wide open door of repentance can be predicted even if he/she didn't repent at that particular time.

But I think it would be an interesting twist in the story, maybe Satan repents get's right with God but its all a ruse to stab God in the back, then Satan wins ... good strategy.

Maybe!

The question is what would happen to all that evil?

They will still get their reward of being evil.

You see one of my main problems with the Bible is it does nothing to explain where evil comes from, its just says something about sin being found in Lucifer and all of a sudden he turns evil in an otherwise righteous Universe (doesn't make much sense). So maybe after he repents the evil breaks off and looks for a new host like the symbiote from Spider-Man.

If you read Bible very well you will know where evil comes from.

All heavenly bodies they have their own power given by God, after the fall of Adam when God came to visit them...and Adam said "I heard your voice God but I hid myself because I'm unclad"...God then asked "who told you that you're nake.d?" He said is the woman you gave me, she the one who gave my the forbiden fruit....then God asked the woman, why did you do this?....the woman answered....is was devil that beguiled me....but to devil no one to put the blame on meaning Devil's fall is self will which Bible says "Devil make himself proud to raise his throne above God" and all things opposite truth is from Devil.

I only have few things to say here, what has been hid in God for so long but through the help of the Holyspirit it has been revealed.

Majority of Christians don't even know who Jesus really is.

In Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds(Universe) were framed by the word of God,..."

@bold-this phrase appear "by the word of God"

In Ephe 3:9 "...which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

@bold-this phrase appear "who created all things by Jesus Christ"

From these two verses no arguement that Jesus was the word of God that created everything.

Now John couldn't make the mistake when he wrote John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now who is Jesus Christ?
When Angel visit Mary, the Angel told Mary that Holyspirit(God) will visit her, (Note: people like Sarah, Annal, Elizabeth was given a message by Angel that they will conciev but through sperma-their husband) but incase of Mary is not like that God Himself will visit her. If God visit Mary what will God do? He will only speak a word because in Heb 11:3 ".....so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear-by the Word of God" when God speaks new thing will happen.

Incase of Jesus God spake and thing we seen(Jesus) was not made from thing will know(sperma) no wonder John said John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh,...."

Jesus is the word of God(that is, the word that is coming out from God) that's why Jesus said "I and my father are one" Nobody can seperate your word from you and your word is also you. John 1:1.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God simply because the WORD is the first thing that was first created in the creations account "...And God said (word came out)..." so Jesus will continue to remain only begotten Son as God will continue to speak.

Why Jesus said "My Father is greater than I" the simple answer is if God didn't speak, word will not come out...but their one.

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
@bold-What is the glory that Jesus had with the Father before the world was? God exalted His own WORD(Jesus) through creations.

John 16:27 "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."
After Jesus made this statement His desciples then know that "...He came forth from God-John 16:29"
Jesus was part of God himself which can not be seperated 'The WORD of GOD'.

Severally in account books of Jesus, He said before His death that "I go to my Father..." inwhich no prophet has ever claimed, but why? Just because He's the WORD of God and He's retuning back to God.

Finally, God is non-contingence being He can do as He likes.....He change His own word to human's nature....and created the universe by His word(Jesus Christ).

We need the Help of the Holyghost to understand Bible because "This is the mystery which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy Apostles and prophets by [Holy] spirit; Ephe 3:5 this mystery also has been hid in God from the beginning of the world Ephe 3:9. No wonder why, people of ages was so confuse about God...David said "the Lord said to my Lord..."Lol.

Shalom!

RoyPcain: you said God is not a man. This i agree with you. So Jesus son of Mary, a man appointed by God is not God, for God will not appoint God or will not be a man as you just said, above.

how is the Jesus you said was crucified and died of crucifixion not a man? you see that you have just told us a little truth,above previously and here you are telling us a whole ball of lies?

The issue of one husband and one wife coming together to become one is still a mystery to you. Jesus as God is also a mystery to you.

i am open minded but i am not absent minded. i know that God is not a man or son of man. I know God does not suffer or can be suffered or dies or can be killed or hung.

Personal believe.

when you buy a bowl of fresh black-eye peas [beans], you look through it, removing stones and other foreign substances and then you wash it clean. the pure and clean black eye peas is what you cook. thats what i have done to the bible, using Quran as the "control".

You buy it and it belongs to you but incase of Bible & Quran it's a set standard which need not to be filtered. Take it the way owner uses it. The reason you're typing all these counless words is to prove that what is inside Quran is real. Now if I quote a verse in your Quran and I said, this is what I/we believe it means not according to what you/Muslims believe it to be, that makes me an hypocrite because I try to make it suit myself. Initial I don't argue with any Muslim I started about few months ago when I saw the way they twisted the Bible to suit themself. 'Though Bible is a book that you can make it says whatsoever you want it to say'

God cant reconciled the whole world of several nations to Himself,

Hope you understand the story of IBRAHIM in Quran very well?

though He alone created and fashion us to perfection, but must die in the hands of Jews who hated you and I calling us gentiles, a word meaning less than human; they being the humans?

Well not only Jews that did it, all blacks(African) a inferiors to white before but thank God for civilisation.

you seem to be on an inferiority complex at the jews, who are now not jews, but buhhdists and even atheists in beliefs.

What concern me with their believe Jesus Himself said it, so it's not new.

how did God reconcile Adam and Eve to Himself, or He didnt? give me an idea and please not the "by faith they believed in Jesus", because there is no evidence of that kinda proposition in the OT or from the lips of Jesus. Please leave Paul out of this argument.

Why should I exclude Paul?
Adam and Eve was reconcilled by Jesus once their human being. It is also a mystery which you might not understand.

Didnt you just argue that Jesus was not a man? What is son of man, except a man or do goat deliver wolve that will devour it, and if not is it possible for Mary to deliver Who created her?

Yes Jesus is not a man. John 1:14 "And the word became flesh..."
the question you should ask yourself is, whose word?

[quote]and you think the above made him God because he is the light of his generation? you think God left mankind in darkness before Jesus?

Only if you understand those verse. Moses is not the light of his generation he's just a prophet of God. Note that!

Its Mary, my mama is her name sake that prevailed here and it is rude for a child to say 'woman' about his mother. You can say that is not offensive.

Is not offense it's bocs you have a bias mind about Jesus that make it looks offensive to you.

God did it first. humans are doing it now without se.x or sper.m when you clone.

Clone can never happen inside a womans womb. Note that! Without se.x but in a womb sper.m must involve and operation to deliver.

Adam who didnt have father or mother and was never a baby or Lady Eve who was a grown woman from the moment of being alive?

very simple question is had to answer, are they also a sons of man?

from the bible, the holy spirit does not have God quality, just like Jesus does not have God quality,

Please quote those verses!

from the Quran, the book i believe in holy spirit is malaika Jibril [as], servant of God.

If you read Bible you will know that Holyspirit is God Himself.

Now, is God a being like human's or A Spirit?

You misunderstood me, I said thank God you used HIM for Holyspirit.

Too much typing since moring!!!

mahdino: Who is Maclatunji?

Pretending as if he doesn't know the guy.

RoyPCain: @jpiliya;

bible - Why did Jesus protest before performing his first miracle ...
christianity.stackexchange.com/.../why-did-jesus-protest-before-perform

you seemed to have missed verse 5 that it was his mother who prevailed over him that made him do what you said he did. .

and it was not voluntary that he did it but mom's persistence won the day. you need to reflect abit.

See another dimension "Jesus protest" I how you understand the meaning of protest?

"His mother saith unto the servants, whatsoever he saith unto you, do it" the statement here is very clear as simple as ABC, should I call this ignoramus or what?

Roy do whatever Jpiliya ask you to do...from emusan.....simply because emusan knows what Jpiliya can do.
Does it mean I force Jpiliya just because I know his capability?

It's better you stop sub internet for Bible interpretation it redicules you alot about Bible.

toba: you can nominate a deist, atheist, satanist, christian etc but no muslim. I repeat no muslim

Regards

@bold- You err Atheism is not a religion forget them being a mod on religion section they're only allow to share their view on religion.

RoyPCain: even you christians dont believe where God is not a man or son of man, while you take Jesus, son of a man and a man himself as God.

God is not a man!

my attitude towards the bible is exactly like yours; you anchor what you accept on Jesus as God, i anchor what i accept on Muhammad [sa] and what he is given.

You missed it, I accept all Jesus' teaching as a Christ-follower.

I didn't say you shouldn't follow your Muhammad but quoting one verse from Bible and ignoring the rest is my major concern. If you're so open-minded you should've quoted the whole chapter or more than one verse.

arent you ashamed that you are saying your God died because a group of people of few nations killed him?

Ashame of of what? For God to reconcilled US back to Himself is what you called ashame. Anyway is a mystery that you can't understand.

it is shameful to assume that God died.

I'm very glad, "what a love Father bestow US to send His only begotten Son to die for US"

your shame are many; you take man as God and you accept your God was killed by few men.

Well had it been Jesus Christ was a man it would've been so shameful but thank God He's not a man nor of this world.

from the bible; "The man, Jesus", "A man approved of God", "Son of man".

Infact you will see this name more than 10 times in the Bible but see what you miss: John 12:34-36 "34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

i miss that. sorry now here is the verse of being rude or say that to mama and see how the community that knows the value of mother and respect she deserves will look at you:

It's quitely clear that what you need is a Sunday school Bible teacher. You quote only one verse and from your post you potray it as many. See His mother's next statement "His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." from Jesus' statement you will see the word "Mother" from the beginning of His sentence A respect/honour word, His mother understood what He(Jesus) means (it's only @Roy who doesn't understand Him) that's why she told the servants to do whatever He says.

from beginning we dont know that. but we learn that as knowledge increased. today we know many things about reproduction and even near death as in fainting, coma, etc. cloning and sper.m bank are part of no sper.m and or no sex reproduction.

You're right but remember you said today as knowledge increases.

Jesus does not have a father,

Then you said He's a son of man, how come?

so is Eve and Adam is even more miraculous because he had not mother nor father and no one care for him as a baby, but he arrive as a fully grown man, ready to be the mother and husband of Eve.

Wonderful illustration, now are Adam and Eve a Sons of man or not?

you read the bible and call for the help of God because holy spirit is not promised you,

I ask a simple question and you couldn't answer. Who is Holyspirit?

so your clamoring on him is zero effect. God is The Power.

Thank you used HIM for Holyspirit so answer my question above.

God is power for sure!

okeyxyz: Jesus was a man of the law(he came to fulfill the law),

He comes from where?

So He couldn't speak the truths plainly but hid them in parables.

But all the Apostels didn't speak in parable or do they?

We got the revelations after his resurrection. So you cannot follow his literal words.

I didn't, you can see I quote from Apostels also.

Shoo?? With all my explanations(rants??) you still didn't catch my drift? God is a spirit.

You still went ahead and say God is a person....is that not a confusion?

Spirit does not mean literal air or ghost. Spirit means: mindset,

Do you realise spirit can speak?

which is demonstrated through words and actions.

If someone recieved HolyGhost baptism the Spirit will rest upon the person(pocessed). Have you received HolyGhost batpism?

okeyxyz: God is a person

But you said God is a mindset up.hhhmmm

but the only way to identify this God is to identify his spirit(his laws, mindset, value system).

Confusion!

Take for example in the physical, biological world; the surest way to determine a man is the father of a child is through a genetic test, so both the son and father will have the same genetic characteristics.

Can someone see God?

So spiritually speaking, the spirit of god is his own genetic characteristics and the only way to identify god. This is what jesus meant by: God is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and truth; ie: they must know his mindset\value-system, else they'd be following other gods and not the true one.

How can someone receive HolyGhost baptism?

solidbroda: 200 years ago, scientists were looking for an answer to a particular phenomenon, and now they have found the answers. Science have always found the answers to everything, it all depends on time.

Ofcourse time time, what will happen after time? Do science know the answer too?

The fact is that, when science discovers immortality, it my be in a thousand year to come.

I hope the OP will still be alive by then, if he's not going to be alive then what will happen afterlife of op?

But the way science is going, it will surely find the solution to death.

I pray so but my question is will OP still be around by then, if not. What is the fate of OP after he died?

If 1000 years ago, a man boast that he can fly people on the air just like birds, he might be killed. But here we are now, we fly with aeroplanes. Jesus didn't see that did he?

Daniel 12:4 read it.

mahdino: That's what I am saying everybody claims to have the holyspirit personaly, u too claim to have it personaly and the direction differs.
Pls brother what we have to do is to use our God given intelligence and reason. It doesn't matter whether a billion people have been victims.

You're talking about using God's given intelligent yet you're still hidding under them...say...them...say! This is what I'm telling you stop using what people say, use your God's given intellect with the help of the Holyspirit anytime you want to read BIBLE.

solidbroda: Too many tins to be said.
One thing I know for sure is that, science will have a major breakthrough in immortality, and people will die no more. When that happens, I'm sure some people will still be gullible enough to call it evil.
Wake up

@bold-I laugh no be small, if at all science will find cure to death. You would've died by then.

Let me tell you why the above is impossible.

*Life is immaterial-atheist don't believe in immaterials
*Cells are not life but they are just life carrier.
*Origin of life is not known, NASA are still searching for life on planet Mars.

mahdino: Brother, I have explain about the holyghost saga.
U see in Nigeria we have over 2000 different churches and denomination. All of these churches claim to have the holyghost and they are going in different direction. One say with sprinkle of water u are baptise one say no u have to be deepen, one say the name of God is Jehova one say no, one say Jesus is God himself, one say no he is unique son and so and so and so and they all claim to have the holyghost still going in different ways. So pls don't claim or blame the holyghost when u see facts that does not suit u.

Did I preach denomination(churches) to you?
I preach Christ!

I have also shown you where the Bible said "the foundation has been laid......anybody can build on top.....but everyone who builds on top should take heed how he/she built it because every man's work will be tested by fire...." what I'm telling you is personal encounter with the Holyspirit not on what people say. Majority interpret the word of God today out of their own selfish interest.

Shalom!

okeyxyz: @Emusan,
Bros, your teachings are full of errors, and popular errors for that matter. Simply put: mainstream christianity has little or no understanding of the God they purport to worship. This interpretation of "God is a spirit" as being that he is the air or Ghost is based on how the people of the Law(old testament) perceived god, as the invisible and unsee-able being, without body and does not care for physical things. This is how god has been defined all through the ages and till now, but this interpretation of god is wrong. The people of the old testament interpreted god in this manner because god was never revealed to anybody before christianity, so everybody who ever thought they knew god were simply ignorant of his true nature and this ignorance carries on till now.

You mean Jesus also didn't know who Gos really is too?

So to enlighten you; Spirit means: A mindset, or behaviour or attitude. So God is not a ghost, and when God appears again, the people who will recognize him will do so by identifying what he thinks, speaks and acts.

God is what?

Thus spirit. This is what christ meant when he said "I and the father are one", meaning: they think the same thing, they speak the same thing and they act alike. So being spirit does not mean being bodiless. The Holy spirit is simply The thoughts, words and actions of God.

And the Father?? The father is the first person to operate by the holy spirit. He is the creator/originator of it.

Then the son is the one whom the father revealed(begat) this spirit(mindset) to.

So that is the trinity for you. It is only a mystery to people of the law. They cannot understand god because their minds are still set on shadows, trying to conform to letters and literalness of scripture instead of conforming to it's principles(spirit). This is why they did not recognize John the Baptist as Elijah who was promised to come before christ, because they were still looking for the literal, physical signs of Elijah, but John came with the thoughts, words and behaviours of Elijah. In other words: He had the spirit of Elijah.

Before I say anything tell me, what God is?

mcfynest: yeah, right on spot. but you can stop using the word TRINITY that is nt found anywhere in the bible. and pls note - JESUS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD.

Hmmm with your attestation you can still conclude this way.

Do you believe that you can find the word BIBLE in the scriptures?

Image123: I've been hoping to find time to give you a more detailed answer, but meanwhile, the scripture clearly states that God PREPARED a fish to swallow up Jonah. Why you would say, no God prepared a fish ONLY to transport Jonah to where he is coming from is surprising. i'm on pone but if i remember well, Jonah was vomitted on nineveh and he ws not coming from there.

Let's try to read Bible for ourself rather than what we've been told.
Jonah 3:1-3 "1 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of theLord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey."

From these verses above did the fish vomit Jonah in Nineveh or not?

It is physically impossible for Jonah to have survived in the fish, that is why God had to prepare the fish.

I agree with you but you still missed my point on what actually happened to Jonah inside the fish.

The fish's belly is not a prison, its death itself.

Hmmm bro how inside fish will be death? Is death living there?

I don't like using other version than KJV but see the verse 2 of chapter 2 in Contemporary English Version "When I was in trouble, Lord, I prayed to you, and you listened to me. From deep in the world of the dead, I begged for your help, and you answered my prayer.
Though in verse 7 they use the continous tense 'sliping away'

Jonah chapter 2 the verse 1-2 was a complete event while Verse 3-7 was actually what happened during the event.

Jonah was there unscathed, His body was not allowed to see corruption, like Jesus in the grave for three days.

Well I can't say anything about that, what Ilm insinuating on is the alive of Jonah in the fish and dead of Jesus in the tomb.

compare the verse below for instance
Psalms 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

My soul is continually in my hand. is the psalmist lying? No. Is the phrase literal? No. It's a similar expression to what Jonah sid while in despair. People talk about seeing hell or showing pepper when there is some sort of trouble. This is not literal.

You never answer my question, did Jesus miracle also literal?
And the word SHEOL was used as a place of dead throughout the OT, will Jonah case different?

Ok bro then should we say Jesus contradict Himself by comparing His miracle with that of Jonah?

....Jonah is alive in the fish and Jesus is dead in the tomb.....

Just look at the verse 2 in above version.

Pastor Olu T: Nice one, God bless u bro

How are you doing over there?

RoyPCain: first i am a muslim believing that Jesus didnt die in any way or in crucifixion.

You didn't believe Jesus died whereas the Bible made it clear and Jesus Himself confirmed it but you believe some part that says your prophet is coming

i am simply saying that he didnt die in Golgotha/Calvary, which is not Jerusalem, otherwise they wouldnt not be so identified by name or called city of 'skull'.

What you failed to know about the death of Jesus is this, it is Romans that killed Jesus not Jewish. Go and read how Romans do judge and kill.

in other words, if you say he died there in Golgotha, you have said that he disproved himself as a prophet by his own words of no prophet no dying outside Jerusalem.

read my post above for clearer understanding.

how is Jesus son and his mother not wife? a 'prophet' that says what does not happen as he said, then he is not prophet of God. you cant say God send any whose statement is not fulfilled.

Jesus is not a man!
Tha's how you laid allegation of being rude and disobedient to His mother and I ask you to quote where it was written in the Bible instead you went ahead to say another thing and boycott my question.

i am not a kneeing or bowing person to a form like mine; human and Jesus was much human.

From beginnig we all know that human's reproduce by sperma.
Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?

if you look and research the 'yet' was even inserted 2 times in some edition to cover up instead of accepting that change of mind happened. if you say you are not going, you should not go at all since the gathering is not why he was sent, meaning its not as important.

Read Bible with the help of Holyspirit yourself.

@Roy

One problem with you people is that, you like using whatever that favour you in the Bible when it comes to Bible versus Quran.

When you brethen went and published 101 contradictory on internet they used KJV but anytime KJV didn't support their claim they'll quickly embraced other version due to lack of understanding of the scriptures.

All the versions you quoted from they're all saying the same thing but you just decided to interpret them as ordinary book.

English Standard Version
Nevertheless, I must go on myway today and tomorrow andthe day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’

This version and KJV interpreted that verse the same way.

But what does this verse mean?
The follow verse explain it;
Luke 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee;..."

If you read this verse you'll understand that any prophet sent to Jerusalem they always kill them or make attempt to kill them.

Back to that verse this is what you misunderstood "....for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" it simply means till end shall come no matter how they like to kill or destroy any prophet , Prophet will never cease to exist(perish out) in Jerisalem not if a prophet was not killed in Jerusalem he isn't a prophet.

Lastly, Jesus is not a man! Talkless of being a prophet.

Whenever we are refering to 'God' it's generally acceptable that we're refering to a Supreme Being
Then, who is God?
Jesus provided us the answer in:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit...." that is this Supreme Being is a Spirit that can speak, move and has life but doesn't have flesh or bones. Luke 24:39. The misconception comes when the Bible combine the two words together i.e 'Spirit of God' and this simply means 'The Spirit Itself but the highest one of all' or used only the word 'God' which also means 'A Spirit'. Some people thought 'God' is a being like human who has body and His spirit lives inside His body. No! He's just a Spirit.

Who is HOLYGHOST?
The HOLY infront of the Ghost or Spirit signifies the greatest attribute of this supreme Spirit of uncorruptible, purity, e.t.c. No doubt that HolyGhost is this Supreme one.

Can God speak?
Bible confirms that God can speak. If God can speak then it means WORD can come out, we read in Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds(universe) were framed by the WORD of God,.." which also confirmed by Genesis in creation account...'And God said'.

The WORD that proceeded from God's mouth is the first thing in all creations apart from God Himself and it also God, that's why Moses wrote "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" Gen 1:1

Who is Jesus Christ?
In geneology of Jesus, we read an Angel visited a virgin(Mary) and told her, she will be visited by Holyspirit(God) Luke 1:35, then if God comes, He's coming to do what? Very simple is to come and speak because when a thing which has never happened is about to happen the WORD OF GOD will come out, especially when things that are seen not to be made from things that do appear Heb 11:3. The birth of Jesus Christ was so special because human reproduce by sperma but in case of Jesus, God speaks and thing we seen(Jesus) didn't make from thing we known(sperma)...John didn't make the mistake when he wrote "And the WORD was made flesh..." John 1:14. Now if God's word became a being Jesus Christ, did Jesus make a mistake to say 'I and my Father are one'? John10:30" No!
In Ephe 3:9 "...., who created all things by Jesus Christ" compare this with Heb 11:3 "..framed by the Word of God". Again can John also make the mistake to say "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:1-3. No!
No wonder why John also decleared in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Why Jesus is the Only begotten Son?
Simple answer is, He's the WORD of God(what come out from God's mouth). That's why Jesus said "...My Father is greater than all(including Him)..." why? because if God didn't speak, word will not come out.

Who is the Father?
No doubt about it that God is greater than all of us. But why is He a Father? We read in: Ephe 3: 14:15 "14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,"
According to this verse if God is the Father of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is the WORD who created all things we called Him begotten Father.

So the Father, the Word(Son), and the Holyspirit are one this is a mystery "which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the [Holy] Spirit." Ephe 3:5.

God is one!

Zarian5: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not deny that Jesus is come of flesh.

See you because you see flesh there you quickly said he corfirmed His brith. Do you know what is mean to come in flesh and is Jesus the Son of God?

Therefore he is not an anticirist. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did confirm the miraculous birth of Jesus which even some more than day christians deny.

Then if Muhammad confirmed the birth of Jesus it means Jesus is the Son of God, right?