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toba: you can nominate a deist, atheist, satanist, christian etc but no muslim. I repeat no muslim

Regards

@bold- You err Atheism is not a religion forget them being a mod on religion section they're only allow to share their view on religion.

RoyPCain: even you christians dont believe where God is not a man or son of man, while you take Jesus, son of a man and a man himself as God.

God is not a man!

my attitude towards the bible is exactly like yours; you anchor what you accept on Jesus as God, i anchor what i accept on Muhammad [sa] and what he is given.

You missed it, I accept all Jesus' teaching as a Christ-follower.

I didn't say you shouldn't follow your Muhammad but quoting one verse from Bible and ignoring the rest is my major concern. If you're so open-minded you should've quoted the whole chapter or more than one verse.

arent you ashamed that you are saying your God died because a group of people of few nations killed him?

Ashame of of what? For God to reconcilled US back to Himself is what you called ashame. Anyway is a mystery that you can't understand.

it is shameful to assume that God died.

I'm very glad, "what a love Father bestow US to send His only begotten Son to die for US"

your shame are many; you take man as God and you accept your God was killed by few men.

Well had it been Jesus Christ was a man it would've been so shameful but thank God He's not a man nor of this world.

from the bible; "The man, Jesus", "A man approved of God", "Son of man".

Infact you will see this name more than 10 times in the Bible but see what you miss: John 12:34-36 "34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

i miss that. sorry now here is the verse of being rude or say that to mama and see how the community that knows the value of mother and respect she deserves will look at you:

It's quitely clear that what you need is a Sunday school Bible teacher. You quote only one verse and from your post you potray it as many. See His mother's next statement "His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." from Jesus' statement you will see the word "Mother" from the beginning of His sentence A respect/honour word, His mother understood what He(Jesus) means (it's only @Roy who doesn't understand Him) that's why she told the servants to do whatever He says.

from beginning we dont know that. but we learn that as knowledge increased. today we know many things about reproduction and even near death as in fainting, coma, etc. cloning and sper.m bank are part of no sper.m and or no sex reproduction.

You're right but remember you said today as knowledge increases.

Jesus does not have a father,

Then you said He's a son of man, how come?

so is Eve and Adam is even more miraculous because he had not mother nor father and no one care for him as a baby, but he arrive as a fully grown man, ready to be the mother and husband of Eve.

Wonderful illustration, now are Adam and Eve a Sons of man or not?

you read the bible and call for the help of God because holy spirit is not promised you,

I ask a simple question and you couldn't answer. Who is Holyspirit?

so your clamoring on him is zero effect. God is The Power.

Thank you used HIM for Holyspirit so answer my question above.

God is power for sure!

okeyxyz: Jesus was a man of the law(he came to fulfill the law),

He comes from where?

So He couldn't speak the truths plainly but hid them in parables.

But all the Apostels didn't speak in parable or do they?

We got the revelations after his resurrection. So you cannot follow his literal words.

I didn't, you can see I quote from Apostels also.

Shoo?? With all my explanations(rants??) you still didn't catch my drift? God is a spirit.

You still went ahead and say God is a person....is that not a confusion?

Spirit does not mean literal air or ghost. Spirit means: mindset,

Do you realise spirit can speak?

which is demonstrated through words and actions.

If someone recieved HolyGhost baptism the Spirit will rest upon the person(pocessed). Have you received HolyGhost batpism?

okeyxyz: God is a person

But you said God is a mindset up.hhhmmm

but the only way to identify this God is to identify his spirit(his laws, mindset, value system).

Confusion!

Take for example in the physical, biological world; the surest way to determine a man is the father of a child is through a genetic test, so both the son and father will have the same genetic characteristics.

Can someone see God?

So spiritually speaking, the spirit of god is his own genetic characteristics and the only way to identify god. This is what jesus meant by: God is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and truth; ie: they must know his mindset\value-system, else they'd be following other gods and not the true one.

How can someone receive HolyGhost baptism?

solidbroda: 200 years ago, scientists were looking for an answer to a particular phenomenon, and now they have found the answers. Science have always found the answers to everything, it all depends on time.

Ofcourse time time, what will happen after time? Do science know the answer too?

The fact is that, when science discovers immortality, it my be in a thousand year to come.

I hope the OP will still be alive by then, if he's not going to be alive then what will happen afterlife of op?

But the way science is going, it will surely find the solution to death.

I pray so but my question is will OP still be around by then, if not. What is the fate of OP after he died?

If 1000 years ago, a man boast that he can fly people on the air just like birds, he might be killed. But here we are now, we fly with aeroplanes. Jesus didn't see that did he?

Daniel 12:4 read it.

mahdino: That's what I am saying everybody claims to have the holyspirit personaly, u too claim to have it personaly and the direction differs.
Pls brother what we have to do is to use our God given intelligence and reason. It doesn't matter whether a billion people have been victims.

You're talking about using God's given intelligent yet you're still hidding under them...say...them...say! This is what I'm telling you stop using what people say, use your God's given intellect with the help of the Holyspirit anytime you want to read BIBLE.

solidbroda: Too many tins to be said.
One thing I know for sure is that, science will have a major breakthrough in immortality, and people will die no more. When that happens, I'm sure some people will still be gullible enough to call it evil.
Wake up

@bold-I laugh no be small, if at all science will find cure to death. You would've died by then.

Let me tell you why the above is impossible.

*Life is immaterial-atheist don't believe in immaterials
*Cells are not life but they are just life carrier.
*Origin of life is not known, NASA are still searching for life on planet Mars.

mahdino: Brother, I have explain about the holyghost saga.
U see in Nigeria we have over 2000 different churches and denomination. All of these churches claim to have the holyghost and they are going in different direction. One say with sprinkle of water u are baptise one say no u have to be deepen, one say the name of God is Jehova one say no, one say Jesus is God himself, one say no he is unique son and so and so and so and they all claim to have the holyghost still going in different ways. So pls don't claim or blame the holyghost when u see facts that does not suit u.

Did I preach denomination(churches) to you?
I preach Christ!

I have also shown you where the Bible said "the foundation has been laid......anybody can build on top.....but everyone who builds on top should take heed how he/she built it because every man's work will be tested by fire...." what I'm telling you is personal encounter with the Holyspirit not on what people say. Majority interpret the word of God today out of their own selfish interest.

Shalom!

okeyxyz: @Emusan,
Bros, your teachings are full of errors, and popular errors for that matter. Simply put: mainstream christianity has little or no understanding of the God they purport to worship. This interpretation of "God is a spirit" as being that he is the air or Ghost is based on how the people of the Law(old testament) perceived god, as the invisible and unsee-able being, without body and does not care for physical things. This is how god has been defined all through the ages and till now, but this interpretation of god is wrong. The people of the old testament interpreted god in this manner because god was never revealed to anybody before christianity, so everybody who ever thought they knew god were simply ignorant of his true nature and this ignorance carries on till now.

You mean Jesus also didn't know who Gos really is too?

So to enlighten you; Spirit means: A mindset, or behaviour or attitude. So God is not a ghost, and when God appears again, the people who will recognize him will do so by identifying what he thinks, speaks and acts.

God is what?

Thus spirit. This is what christ meant when he said "I and the father are one", meaning: they think the same thing, they speak the same thing and they act alike. So being spirit does not mean being bodiless. The Holy spirit is simply The thoughts, words and actions of God.

And the Father?? The father is the first person to operate by the holy spirit. He is the creator/originator of it.

Then the son is the one whom the father revealed(begat) this spirit(mindset) to.

So that is the trinity for you. It is only a mystery to people of the law. They cannot understand god because their minds are still set on shadows, trying to conform to letters and literalness of scripture instead of conforming to it's principles(spirit). This is why they did not recognize John the Baptist as Elijah who was promised to come before christ, because they were still looking for the literal, physical signs of Elijah, but John came with the thoughts, words and behaviours of Elijah. In other words: He had the spirit of Elijah.

Before I say anything tell me, what God is?

mcfynest: yeah, right on spot. but you can stop using the word TRINITY that is nt found anywhere in the bible. and pls note - JESUS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD.

Hmmm with your attestation you can still conclude this way.

Do you believe that you can find the word BIBLE in the scriptures?

Image123: I've been hoping to find time to give you a more detailed answer, but meanwhile, the scripture clearly states that God PREPARED a fish to swallow up Jonah. Why you would say, no God prepared a fish ONLY to transport Jonah to where he is coming from is surprising. i'm on pone but if i remember well, Jonah was vomitted on nineveh and he ws not coming from there.

Let's try to read Bible for ourself rather than what we've been told.
Jonah 3:1-3 "1 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of theLord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey."

From these verses above did the fish vomit Jonah in Nineveh or not?

It is physically impossible for Jonah to have survived in the fish, that is why God had to prepare the fish.

I agree with you but you still missed my point on what actually happened to Jonah inside the fish.

The fish's belly is not a prison, its death itself.

Hmmm bro how inside fish will be death? Is death living there?

I don't like using other version than KJV but see the verse 2 of chapter 2 in Contemporary English Version "When I was in trouble, Lord, I prayed to you, and you listened to me. From deep in the world of the dead, I begged for your help, and you answered my prayer.
Though in verse 7 they use the continous tense 'sliping away'

Jonah chapter 2 the verse 1-2 was a complete event while Verse 3-7 was actually what happened during the event.

Jonah was there unscathed, His body was not allowed to see corruption, like Jesus in the grave for three days.

Well I can't say anything about that, what Ilm insinuating on is the alive of Jonah in the fish and dead of Jesus in the tomb.

compare the verse below for instance
Psalms 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

My soul is continually in my hand. is the psalmist lying? No. Is the phrase literal? No. It's a similar expression to what Jonah sid while in despair. People talk about seeing hell or showing pepper when there is some sort of trouble. This is not literal.

You never answer my question, did Jesus miracle also literal?
And the word SHEOL was used as a place of dead throughout the OT, will Jonah case different?

Ok bro then should we say Jesus contradict Himself by comparing His miracle with that of Jonah?

....Jonah is alive in the fish and Jesus is dead in the tomb.....

Just look at the verse 2 in above version.

Pastor Olu T: Nice one, God bless u bro

How are you doing over there?

RoyPCain: first i am a muslim believing that Jesus didnt die in any way or in crucifixion.

You didn't believe Jesus died whereas the Bible made it clear and Jesus Himself confirmed it but you believe some part that says your prophet is coming

i am simply saying that he didnt die in Golgotha/Calvary, which is not Jerusalem, otherwise they wouldnt not be so identified by name or called city of 'skull'.

What you failed to know about the death of Jesus is this, it is Romans that killed Jesus not Jewish. Go and read how Romans do judge and kill.

in other words, if you say he died there in Golgotha, you have said that he disproved himself as a prophet by his own words of no prophet no dying outside Jerusalem.

read my post above for clearer understanding.

how is Jesus son and his mother not wife? a 'prophet' that says what does not happen as he said, then he is not prophet of God. you cant say God send any whose statement is not fulfilled.

Jesus is not a man!
Tha's how you laid allegation of being rude and disobedient to His mother and I ask you to quote where it was written in the Bible instead you went ahead to say another thing and boycott my question.

i am not a kneeing or bowing person to a form like mine; human and Jesus was much human.

From beginnig we all know that human's reproduce by sperma.
Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?

if you look and research the 'yet' was even inserted 2 times in some edition to cover up instead of accepting that change of mind happened. if you say you are not going, you should not go at all since the gathering is not why he was sent, meaning its not as important.

Read Bible with the help of Holyspirit yourself.

@Roy

One problem with you people is that, you like using whatever that favour you in the Bible when it comes to Bible versus Quran.

When you brethen went and published 101 contradictory on internet they used KJV but anytime KJV didn't support their claim they'll quickly embraced other version due to lack of understanding of the scriptures.

All the versions you quoted from they're all saying the same thing but you just decided to interpret them as ordinary book.

English Standard Version
Nevertheless, I must go on myway today and tomorrow andthe day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’

This version and KJV interpreted that verse the same way.

But what does this verse mean?
The follow verse explain it;
Luke 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee;..."

If you read this verse you'll understand that any prophet sent to Jerusalem they always kill them or make attempt to kill them.

Back to that verse this is what you misunderstood "....for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" it simply means till end shall come no matter how they like to kill or destroy any prophet , Prophet will never cease to exist(perish out) in Jerisalem not if a prophet was not killed in Jerusalem he isn't a prophet.

Lastly, Jesus is not a man! Talkless of being a prophet.

Whenever we are refering to 'God' it's generally acceptable that we're refering to a Supreme Being
Then, who is God?
Jesus provided us the answer in:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit...." that is this Supreme Being is a Spirit that can speak, move and has life but doesn't have flesh or bones. Luke 24:39. The misconception comes when the Bible combine the two words together i.e 'Spirit of God' and this simply means 'The Spirit Itself but the highest one of all' or used only the word 'God' which also means 'A Spirit'. Some people thought 'God' is a being like human who has body and His spirit lives inside His body. No! He's just a Spirit.

Who is HOLYGHOST?
The HOLY infront of the Ghost or Spirit signifies the greatest attribute of this supreme Spirit of uncorruptible, purity, e.t.c. No doubt that HolyGhost is this Supreme one.

Can God speak?
Bible confirms that God can speak. If God can speak then it means WORD can come out, we read in Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds(universe) were framed by the WORD of God,.." which also confirmed by Genesis in creation account...'And God said'.

The WORD that proceeded from God's mouth is the first thing in all creations apart from God Himself and it also God, that's why Moses wrote "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" Gen 1:1

Who is Jesus Christ?
In geneology of Jesus, we read an Angel visited a virgin(Mary) and told her, she will be visited by Holyspirit(God) Luke 1:35, then if God comes, He's coming to do what? Very simple is to come and speak because when a thing which has never happened is about to happen the WORD OF GOD will come out, especially when things that are seen not to be made from things that do appear Heb 11:3. The birth of Jesus Christ was so special because human reproduce by sperma but in case of Jesus, God speaks and thing we seen(Jesus) didn't make from thing we known(sperma)...John didn't make the mistake when he wrote "And the WORD was made flesh..." John 1:14. Now if God's word became a being Jesus Christ, did Jesus make a mistake to say 'I and my Father are one'? John10:30" No!
In Ephe 3:9 "...., who created all things by Jesus Christ" compare this with Heb 11:3 "..framed by the Word of God". Again can John also make the mistake to say "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:1-3. No!
No wonder why John also decleared in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Why Jesus is the Only begotten Son?
Simple answer is, He's the WORD of God(what come out from God's mouth). That's why Jesus said "...My Father is greater than all(including Him)..." why? because if God didn't speak, word will not come out.

Who is the Father?
No doubt about it that God is greater than all of us. But why is He a Father? We read in: Ephe 3: 14:15 "14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,"
According to this verse if God is the Father of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is the WORD who created all things we called Him begotten Father.

So the Father, the Word(Son), and the Holyspirit are one this is a mystery "which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the [Holy] Spirit." Ephe 3:5.

God is one!

Zarian5: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not deny that Jesus is come of flesh.

See you because you see flesh there you quickly said he corfirmed His brith. Do you know what is mean to come in flesh and is Jesus the Son of God?

Therefore he is not an anticirist. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did confirm the miraculous birth of Jesus which even some more than day christians deny.

Then if Muhammad confirmed the birth of Jesus it means Jesus is the Son of God, right?

Zarian5: * Since Jesus said “I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER comforter” it means Jesus was the first comforter,

You're reason now.

another comforter would have to be a man like him not Holy Spirit.

Did Jesus say so or just a mere assumption by you?

* The Bible says that the Holy Spirit was already there on earth before and during the time of Jesus.

Then I charge you, what is the HolyGhost?

But Jesus said the Comforter will only come if he (Jesus) depart. “Nonetheless I tell you the truth: it is expedient that I go away: for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart I will send him unto you” John 16:7 Therefore the Comforter is not the Holy Spirit.

If you answer my question above I will reply this.

*Jesus said the promised comforter will teach “all things” did the Holy Spirit teach anything?

Who wrote the Bible and gave all the apostles wisdom?

*“That he may abide with you forever” this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will live physically on earth forever. No it means that his teachings will remain intact, uncorrupted till the end of time. This is why the Quran (unlike the Bible) has never been tempered with since its revelation 1400yrs ago.

You err..now is not muhammad it is his teaching why Jesus didn't mention his teaching? Hypocrite.

*Jesus did not call himself ‘Son of God’. According to NRSV Bible Jesus called himself ‘son of man’ 84 times, people and paul called him ‘son of God’ 63 times.

Hmmm another dimension from my brethen. Mahdino says muslims didn't deny Jesus as a Son of God. Hehhh

*The fact that Jesus prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will do everything exactly as Jesus did.

Shaking my head for whereas Jesus fulfilled all the prophecy about Him.

Infact according to the prophesy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is expected to do and teach ‘many things’ which Jesus didn't do.

You missed "to do Jesus' will' ".....he shall not speak of himself;...."

Read John 16:12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU UNTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

You even fear enough unlike some people they won't quote the full verse. @bold-what about Jesus that Muhammad glorified?

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

What you failed to understand is that, even Muhammad read Bible but yet he didn't claim this, but answer my question on who Holyghost is before I know what to say.

*Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not die of food poisening.

Hmmmm

* Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not dwell with the Apostles. The Holy Spirit which dwelt with them cannot be the promised comforter based on John16:7 as i mentioned above.

Then if Muhammad didn't dwell with them is not what Jesus is talking about. Acts 1:8 But ye shall recieve power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me(Jesus) both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" you can see Jesus fully understand who the HolyGhost is.

* ‘And shall be in you’ this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be living inside anybody.

Yes he will live inside us.

Compare this with John 17:21"They (the disciples) all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us."
Does this mean that Jesus will be living inside God, God will be living inside Jesus and the Disciples will be living INSIDE both God and Jesus?

Just a question, does your word live inside you or outside?

*If this prophesy refers to the Holy Spirit, not a man then why the use of the pronouns ‘he’, ‘him’ not ‘it,’ its?

Why the same pronouns used for God?

*The word ‘Spirit’ according to the Bible can be used for a Prophet. It's more likely that was only word used. ‘Holy’ could be a later insertion. I will bring evidence for my last assertion

Yes the follow verse every spirit that confess Jesus come in flesh...remember you claim Jesus is human being, then what does it mean to come in flesh?

I have said it stop supporting your lies with Bible it doesn't favour either.

Rashe: i quoted 4rm d bible cos dere ar some elements of truth

Then you neglect the rest because it has been diluted, what gave you assurance the one you quoted is not the one that being diluted?

in it and even prophet Mohammed did mention of it dat we shd believe in all d book given 2 d prophet be it Moses, David, JESUS.

If Muhammad says you should quote from book, did he says you should quote verse 1 and leave verse 2 of the same book you quoted from?

Some christian even confirm dat d bible
had being diluted and good examples ar d jehovah witness which result in neglectin som verses 4rm d diluted bible.e.g non-cruxificatn..4rm my own point of view, u ar suppose 2 question d0se people hw dy know d bible is bein diluted and formin dere own bible which brought d belief/idea of non-cruxificatn in their own bible and other false tins b4 criticizin d muslims and d quran in general.

If some people say Bible has been diluted so you need to follow their saying and not to verify it yourself.......you made mistake with this....


See what Bible says about them:

1 Corin 2:1:-13 "10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

So as everyone willeth let him/her twisteth Bible for his/her own interest every man's work will be revealed by fire.

RoyPCain: Living God can not be the father of a dead child.

Waooo.......is like you didn't know when you type this statement.

was your book says Jesus died or was taken to Heaven alive?

Some confusion is waving here.
No offence sha!

mahdino: Read the quran with understanding

I do but do also read Bible with the help of HolyGhost?

Rashe: just passing by but i av to write dis b4 i go: as av said, ur bible also preaches islam, check JOHN CHAP 13VS5 Wen JESUS SAID THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS WHOM U AV SENT and dis is d basic preachin of islam;

It will have been better not to quote any verse from Bible because your next statement shows how confuse you are.

u guys shd reason about dIS vesrs...the only true in dis content means there is only 1 God nt 3 as u guys proclaim; jesus confirmed dat himself...2/ u guys shd know dere is a lot of contracdictn in ur diluted bible which makes u christian confuse about d religion and dat is Y u guys av unrelated ways of worshipin GOD.FOR EXAMPLE, Accordin 2 ur diluted bible, jesus died 4 3 days and night; so if jesus died on friday and wake up on sunday, hw does dat makes 3days and nite? 3/ Wot makes islam d accepted religion is dat it has d same view and preachin compare 2 other prophets sent 4rm God which is d believe dat dere is only 1 G0D;dey never claimed dat dere is 3 gods or is dere differents GOD THEN DIFFERENT 4RM D 1 NW?

The same Books full of contradictions still preach about Islam, is like you're a little bit confuse here? No offence.

IN CONCLUSION, There is only 1 most high GOD WH D ONLY 1 DAT KNOW D JUDGEMENT DAY SINCE UR Proclaim God d sun/JESUS confirm dat in d bible dat he himself did nt know djudgement day except GOD D FATHER WHICH MAKES HIM UNEQUAL 2 GOD

Yes only one God. Who is claiming three gods? Even Daniel asked, when all this shall end. God said "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closep up and sealed till the time of the end. Daniel 12:9"

So is not the time of Jesus the question is being asked....but God just decided not to let any man know it.

vedaxcool: According to Jesus spirit could mean prophet


Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


1 john 4 :1

If you believe this verse, what make you reject this verse that follow?

1 Jonh 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

whatever makes you accept 1 John 4:1 should also make you accept this verse.

If you reject this verse is what they called hypocrite. I said it early it will have better for Muslims not to use Bible as a reference than the mess they put themselves into.

Image123: Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

God prepared the fish only to transport Jonah back to where he's coming from

Jonah 2:10 "And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land"

my point is that God had prepared a fish to swallow up Jonah. That fish was prepared as to make Jonah survive in it.

I quitely agree with you @bold because Jonah wouldn't have survived it without the Fish.

My point here is what actually happened inside the fish to Jonah for three days and three nights.
Was it when the fish swallowed Jonah God can't command the fish to return him immediately and why God has to waited for good three days and nights?

like He prepared the fire for Daniel's friends that it was not able to hurt them.

Did Daniel's friends share their expirence; if yes what was their expirence?

He was not literally in the belly of hell, wherever that is.

But you never answer my question; when the word SHEOL was used throughout the whole OT as grave-a place of dead, why Jonah's own now become literal?

He spoke and described a physical location that we can access with oxygen masks. Of waters and being under the mountains. The hell expression was only figurative.

If you check verse 6 very well you will see this phrase "....the earth with her bars (magnetic poles) was about me for ever..." meaning he was describing a place of the earth which different from water.

If you check a version like Amplified Bible verse 5 this phrase in KJV "...even to the soul....." was translated to "....even to [extinction of life] life..."

what does it mean for life to go into extinct? Simply mean to stop exist. Though some version didn't put it that way.

You didn't answer this question, when Jesus said His miracle will be like that of Jonah, was it also literal?

joel lala: With God all things are possible. Abeg u guys shuld sleep. Una too dey question God.

Yes with God all things are possible, but what happend to Jonah inside the fish is my discusion here inwhich Jonah himself confirmed. Read the Chapter 2 of his book to see.

Before I believe Jonah was alive in the belly as what they told me.

mahdino: U dey see yourself ko. Hmmm
That's ur problem, u will not accept the fact that Jonah did not die cos u know what is means.

Like as you know what brought you here and how it against your claim.

Look the truth remains the truth whether people see it or don't it will not change.

The day someone view change from dellusion to fact became truth.

This is how ur brethen keep changing and revising the book of God.

Because you fail to open your eyes to see the truth.

Ur brethen are still working to make it look Jonah died. Well that is your problem.

No you missed it, remember when 101 contradictions in Bible was pasted on internet your brethen didn't use any version than King James Version. Hope you remember?

Now u can see the quran has opened your eyes. Read the quran with open mind and let God talk to u.

I'm doing that henn.

Solve the problem with your brethen first.

Continue to watch.

Image123: God prepared the fish, that made all the difference. Otherwise, he would have died.

I didn't say that Jonah was not swallowed by the fish. My point is his expirence inside the fish which Jonah himself confirmed

Like OluT has said, he prayed, thought etc.

They do the same in the place of hell.

The expression that he was in hell is not the literal hell.

NOTE: the word HELL was translated from this hebrew word SHEOL and throughout OT only a single translation was given to this word SHEOL which is GRAVE means a place of the dead.
Will Jonah's translation exclude?

You may get me wrong when you think I'm using HELL(hade-lake of fire) used in the NT.

Jesus said He would be in the heart of the earth. hat also is not literal. It's colloqual like we say someone is facing hell or saw hell or saw wen. Its more of connotative than literal as such person didn't literally see wen or hell, whatever they both are.

But what Jesus means is that He will die for three days and three nights. Is it also a literal statement?

Try to focus in my OP on that Expirence point.

Shalom!

udatso: dear emusan...when i told you lots of your brothers share a different idea from yours and i gave you lots of evidence and explanations here www.nairaland.com/1376282/re-what-does-koran-says/2#1376282.64

Yes I disagree.

You thought i was just twisting facts...now are these guys twisting facts too.lol@ other bibles write it in present continous while kjv in past tense...well i leave you all to keep battling which of the bibles to take for this explanation...one bible inded!!!

Keep watching at the back sit.

vedaxcool: the funny thing here is since the holy ghost dwell in the disciples who died one after the other it follows that the ghost dwelling iou n them followed them to the graves which invalidates the prophesy which says it will dwell with them forever, since u claim Jesus was addressing his disciples.

What can I call this your question? Infact a two years old boy can't ask such question of yours and anyone who believe a two years old can ask such question then, no different between both.

Will your spirit follow you to grave according to Islam teaching?


Is even better for Muslims not to quote from Bible at all because than the mess they put themselves into.

Frank4YAHWEH: I do not believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth and I do not believe that frobel does either.

Nice answer if you don't believe Yeshau pre-existed His brith, definitely YHWH gave Moses the Ten Commandment.

2 Corin 3:7 "7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:"

This phrase "behold the face of Moses for the glory of his contenance;.." 'His contenance' tells us who Moses saw when the laws was given which is YHWH.

Now let's see the rest of the verses:
Verse "16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. It means if we believe in Yeshua we'll be able to behold his glory.

17 Now the Lord(Yeshua) is that Spirit(YHWH): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all(as we believe in Yeshua), with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord(Yeshua), are changed into the same image (YHWH who Moses saw) from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord(Yeshua).

Pastor Olu T: Interesting fact I came up with using God's word version;

Well I'm not against this version.

Verse 1, "From inside the fish Jonah prayed"; a dead man can't pray n it says in the fish again?

I know, a dead man can't pray but where the dead a kept they can talk. You ignore verse two from this version.

Verse 4, "Then I thought"; a dead man can't think, again all this is happening in the fish?

Remember I didn't say fish didn't swallow up Jonah but Jonah died inside the fish and all this happened in the place of the dead.
Tha's why Jonah said it in verse 2 "out of the belly(inside of the fish) of sheol(hell-a place of the dead) cried I"

Verse 7, "As my life was slipping away";

From original manuscript it wasn't 'a continous tense' it was 'a past tense' word. Is recent version that change it to continous tense. That's why I read all my Bible verses from King James Version direct translation from original scripts.

obviously was still alive for it shows that God did not even make things easier for him, but felt very uneasy and almost lost his life.

If Jonah soul was slipping away 'used as continous tense' he's still alive but if if his soul has slipped away 'used as past tense' then he isn't alive.

My summation, Jonah was alive in the fish, was conscious and experienced all the difficulty of being there.

Ok I agree with you with this version but answer this question:
*was Jesus alive in the heart of the tomb? because he compared his miracle with that of Jonah.

If you read Amplified Bible version you will also see a similar account of that KJV.

Before I also think Jonah was alive not until I digested that chapter 2.

Zarian5: Yes, you are wrong. Actually both Moses and Jesus prophecy the coming of Muhammad. Click and download this (pdf) book, 'Muhammad in the Bible' written by Prof. Abdul Ahad Dawud, Former Bishop of Uramiah, Formerly the Reverend David Benjamin Keldani, B.D.

http://www.islamhouse.com/401819/en/en/books/Muhammad_(Peace_Be_Upon_Him)_In_The_Bible

See what you turn yourself into, you believe Bible talks about Muhammad yet you rejected the rest of the Bible saying. Confuse!!!