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I always laugh whenever I see a Muslim using 'Bible' to validate Qu'ran. Must you use Bible to support Qu'ran before is true?


Let me ask you;

*Is Bible the word of God?
*If you believe Bible is the word of God, can God lie?
*Did Christian and Muslim serve the same God?
*Is Jesus Christ the 'Son of God'?

These four questions should be answered not in what muslim believe them to be but according to Christians claim.

Shalom!

King harzyz: proof from bible please....

Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. KJV

ooman: Wow. Emusan.. you have been totally crushed to fine powder..

lol...but I believe you can see my reason in his post not because there's no answer to all his post.

OlaAjia: I found the same nonsense talk that has come to characterise your posts unfortunately.
And no, it doesn't mean anything was correct. I found no sense in them whatsoever. I'm not very good at responding to things that are senseless.

Ok.

What causes west winds? You seem really desperate to pass a rather ambiguous text off as scientific knowledge. I feel betrayed!

End of discusion based on the above statement.

You're not willing to concede that a star falling on earth is thoroughly unscientific, rather you attribute it to "mystery".
You challenge me to give you a verse in the Bible that mentions the moon without mentioning the sun. What is the point of this challenge? You will find a way to say there is a cryptic message in pairing both in the same verse. It implicitly means that moon reflects the sun's light.
Your unwillingness to accept that you are wrong will do nothing but reinforce your ignorance. Here's my advise, if you'll find it useful. Feel free to believe in, and practice your religion. It's a source of comfort and internal resignation. I get that and I think at some point we all need this kind of comfort in order to avoid being overwhelmed by the treacherous realities of life. But don't try to validate your beliefs with science. At best, the things you call scientific are vague, but it's a double edged sword, it could also injure you.
You have to accept that scientific method and religion are not on the same basis. Their fundamental axioms and assumptions are very different, and while you may sometimes find points of intersection. You may also find points of severe divergence that will plunge you into an abyss of cognitive dissonance.

Take care!

mazaje: You left the thread only because your ignorance was exposed.

Lol..

You obviously did not even know what the earth's atmosphere was.

Ofcourse I do unlike you who think only layers of gasses made up the atmosphere.

You clearly did not know that the earth's atmosphere is layer of gases surrounding the planet earth that is retained by earth's gravity, your claimed the earth's atmosphere was formed from water. . .LOL!. . .

You misconstructed me here.
Please kindly tell me what made up the MESOPHERE the third layers of the atmosphere(even this layer is a mystery to scientist because they don't know how it formed), and remember if one layer destroyed it has a very great effect on others. Anyway this isn't the issue for today.

When did i tell you this?. . . . . .Stop going to answers in genesis to copy nonsense. . .

Are you a descendant of Adam or Ape-like?

This is just a useless claim that has no evidence. . .Life began with Shiva the Hindu goddess, pls prove that I am wrong.

That's good you've supported my claim...Hindu goddess....so far is god not unknown place 'evolution'.
Remember your claim is there's no God, how are thou unstable like moring star?

But cells themselves are alive.

Yes! because they have life in them.

They have the full characteristics of living things and they themselves are living things.

Yes, that's why they refer to them as living cells they have life in them. Cell can die(losing life) don't forget!

Cells are living things on their own. . .What did your god use in creating cells?. . .How did he create them and when did he create the fist cell?. . .How an your prove to me that your Jewish myth of a god created cells and not Shiva?

Yes they're living things on their own but life is in them, life is immaterials that's why. If someone died they refer to them as dead-absent of LIFE, if cell is life when living things die they suppose to disappear but what we see is still the same cell/trillions cells lying down with absent of LIFE.

Where this immaterial life comes from? Something came to my mind law of biogenesis "life only comes from life"

Where did I tell you that is what I believe?

Once you're apelike descendant.

What is this joke pls?

I'm not joking, am I correct please?

And dark energy supports the myth that things were spoken into existence using the Hebrew language?

I didn't say so sir.

It is not everything that is in nature that we have the ability to observes,

@bold-Now you're talking.
But you didn't complete it, it should be like .......ability to observe scientifically....lol
there're paranormal event in this nature unless you want to deceive yourself.

your mythical god is said to be supernatural, meaning he exist outside of nature. . he exists in myths and fictitious stories and claims.

Why jumped into conclusion, your answer above shows that you still lack some things about the same God. Do you know it?









Search your mind deep down.

Shalom!

Uyi Iredia: Y'all keep having fun.

My brother yes ooo just to gain more knowledge about our universe and God jare!


Quite a long time on NL?

Welcom back!

OlaAjia: Cutting long story short, you haven't read every book, so your claim is invalid!

Did I say so or you just assume?

A quick Google search will reveal a plethora religious books and ideas (eg Islam, Shintoism, Hinduism and Judaism) with creation and redemption stories.

Judaism worship the same God with Christianity while others claim different gods. Bible God claims the creator of the universe whereas others gods claim the create earth only if you read their creation account very well.

Since you have referred me to a link authored by you,

Did you find any meaningful thing there?

where you make pseudo-scientific claims that an elementary school kid will never make; that is, a circle is equal to a sphere

From that link it means the rest are correct but only this one wrong.
Well only if you can reason in line with the perspetive of the writer then you can grap the real message in that verse because that same verse refers to .....God as a grasshoppers.... I won't say anything more than that.

and light powers east wind (not even sure what that means),

The light causes the east wind to blow because the dawn heats the air that has been cooled all night. As the air cooled, it had contracted until it basically reached an equilibrium. Then when dawn creeps towards the horizon it begins to heat the air nearby, and as this air is heated it expands, causing a higher pressure than the still-cool air of the night, which makes the east wind “blow”.
We know this! God knew this! But NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE KNOWN THAT LIGHT CAUSES WIND! No one in the entire planet suspected a connection between light and wind until around 500 years ago! Until then no one really had the faintest clue how light really worked! Only God could have inspired that section of Job, probably written thirty-five CENTURIES ago! You can browse it also to comfirm it.

allow me to direct you to a link where some scientific fallacies of the Bible are addressed. And perhaps, in future, you will be more careful about using science to validate the Bible.

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter5.html

I click on the link and found many truth about Biblical unscientific accuracy but space and time won't allow me to touch many of those points. I believe any question comes from Bible can be answer through the help of the Holyspirit. Most of the points on that link has been answered by this poster in other thread.

I will only say something about the moon's light and stars.

Many people attack this very point because they misunderstood the wirter's context, firstly, anytime the Bible mentions Moon's light it will surely come/follow by Sun's light and a conjuction word 'AND' must be in between them which means the two phrases cannot be seperated from each other.

I challenge give me a verse in the Bible where It reference to Moon's light alone without Sun's light in the same verse.

Secondly, I haven't gotten the real message about stars in any books of the Bible because it's somehow figurative but most skeptics always interpret this point literally base on human's limited knowledge. We can see this in Rev 9:1-2 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

In this verses a star fall fron heaven and it was referred to as HIM/HE so I know we can't fully understand the mystery of the word of God 'Bible' with human's knowledge now. "Mystery" in the Bible refers to something that has not yet been revealed. These mysteries are revelations of new information about God’s plan that has not yet been disclosed.

Shalom!

I left this thread because your claims didn't hold anything but I came back to answer your questions in Anony's thread here.

mazaje: I told you this when and where?. . .

Many months ago that you're Ape-like descendant.

Tell me how life began.

Life began with God

What was used in creating cells for example. . .How were cells created and what was used in creating them. . .When was the first cell created?. . .And how did you know this to be true?. . .Pls tell. . .Don't go about referring me to quote from ancient religious mythical books. . .Cos i will only laugh at you. . .

This is the mistake that most atheist make believing cells are LIFE. Now research has shown it beyond any reasonable doubt that LIFE is not part of cell, cells are just LIFE carriers. Which reseach is that? Reseach about natural death shows that cell remians intact about few hours after death.

In the process of natural death scientis descover that 1) heartbeat, breathings and circulations of blood stop first which is called clinical death, 2)four to five minutes later cells begin to die(losing energy) bit by bit which is called biological death. After someone died all the person's cell are still there only thing they observe was that there're not working anymore.
The question now is what is that partcular thing that is making those cells to work?

I have never claimed to know how life began. . .

See where you expose your ignorance but you believe only one life started it all on what you don't know its beginning..No scientist ever prove it..how will you know?

That is a question NO one knows. . .You are just happy to believe the superstition you have been indoctrinated with since childhood that's all. ..

If no one knows then evolution calim is wrong! How?

*Mazaje is the last born in their family
*Mazaje has two sisters
*mazaje is a male because I saw (m) beside his username on NL
*mazaje lives outside nigeria because I saw it on NL
*mazaje's families reside outside Denmark
*mazaje has married with two beautiful kids a boy and a girl

Please tell me maybe I'm wrong.

There is much more evidence for the big ba.ng than evidence that Yahweh spoke things into existence using the hebrew language. . .

Did you know that most physics theory are in question because of 'dark energy' now?

How does this prove that the god idea created by the ancient Jews exist in reality?

This is not the answer my question, is everything observable in nature?

OlaAjia: To make this claim, I assume you've read all other books and found it to be true? Which means no other book has stories about Creation and/or killing of god's only son exists?

Also, I can't see the scientific correlation you're talking about. Care to expatiate? What have stories about creation of the universe and killing of one's son for humanity's redemption got to do with science?

About reading other books and the truth of the God in Bible I can't say much on that because the story is long...Jesus is the only one who has died and still living today among those prominent man ever live in the past.

For science correlation check this link

https://www.nairaland.com/1305164/things-only-god-could-known

Shalom!

OlaAjia: Why is the Bible any more the word of god than the Bhagavad geetha or the Quran?

No book has ever claimed what the Bible claims i.e the creations of the universe, redeemption of humanity from death by sending His only Son, and correlated with finds of scientist to some extend even though the boos was written 4000yrs ago before explosion of knowledge which Bible also prophecies.

OlaAjia: How do you know this is "god's procedure"?

Because He said it in His word 'Bible' and God can not lie! If you fail to realised that Bible isn't the 'word of God' I'm sorry another problem will arise.

mazaje: I told you this when and where?. . .

Tell me how life began. . .What was used in creating cells for example. . .How were cells created and what was used in creating them. . .When was the first cell created?. . .And how did you know this to be true?. . .Pls tell. . .Don't go about referring me to quote from ancient religious mythical books. . .Cos i will only laugh at you. . .




I have never claimed to know how life began. . .That is a question NO one knows. . .You are just happy to believe the superstition you have been indoctrinated with since childhood that's all. ..




There is much more evidence for the big ba.ng than evidence that Yahweh spoke things into existence using the hebrew language. . .





How does this prove that the god idea created by the ancient Jews exist in reality?. . .

This your question would've be a great opportunity for me to show you the lies of evolution but I don't want to extend this discusion than this because I don't want to derail Anony's thread. I will reply you in any of my thread where a case like this may appear.

Shalom!

OlaAjia: Quote where I made such a claim.

Action speaks louder than voice!

Your definition of god will determine whether god is observable or not.

Get you now!

I look forward to the day god speaks to me. When next you communicate with god, be sure to mention me, maybe, just maybe (s)he might consider speaking with me.

If you find grace in His sight well He might consider speaking with you in your sinful nature but if He didn't, then you need to move closer to Him through total submision of your heart.

That's not a definition, it is a claim. How do I measure or observe god?

How can you say it's a claim? When all christians agreed with this one. Tell me, does definition of ENEGRY "energy is the ability to do work" correlate with your explanation about how energy can be observed? What I'm expecting you to say is what support your definition?

Measure God! When all instrument read error when measuring dark energy. Earth is God's footstood and heaven is His throne-so how can you measure such being? And this is where scientist got it wrong believeing everything can be measurable but when they encounter dark energy the reality open that not everything that is measurable also there're some things that beyond the scope of science called PARANORMAL in nature unless you just want to lie to yourself?

The alternative would have been contrary to scientific method.

Remember that some paranormal event are still profess as scientific method.

I can't answer this any more than I can answer how to prove that Santa is real.

Still on the matter, how can you prove that santa is real?

Your claim, your burden of proof.

What does this one mean?

What is God's procedure?

You must first realised that you're a sinner then grap a copy of any Bible and read it with an open mind.

It's remarkable you claim to know the truth about somebody you hardly even know.

I'm sorry about that sir.

Who says god must be a consciousness?

Me! Because He has 'spirit'.

^What?

This is what I answered to in your post "Emusan stops being abstract. So, again, energy as a stand alone word might be abstract, but the concept which it describes is far from; and as I have proven earlier, it is in fact, observable and measurable".

God stops being an abstract because He's observable as described below.

What do you mean when you say "Baptized by Holyspirit"?

Baptized means 'immerse in', so it means you immerse yourself in God's spirit(you will feel the spirit as He enveloped you, and He will talk to you and in that moment you're no more of yourself) and you will surely speak in tongues(another language) "How can science explain this process without esperience it?". Though majority that speak in tongue today are not truly speaking in tongue by God's spirit but being possesed by evil spirit.

This is a sign that God do really exist 1 Corinthians 14:22 "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."

OK, I too can speak and your point is?

My point is physicist that call universe God, can universe speak?

Do you mean if there were a breakthrough in invisibility cloak research and I am able to become invisible to the human eyes, I would become a spirit?

To human being you're a spirit until you hit them while you collide with them you will know you're not a spirit. Spirit can enter your room without open your door, can you do that with invisible cloak?

Have you ever encountered a spirit?

Yes! Especially with the Holyspirit

what is soul?

Please search google or consult your dictionary for that.

mazaje: Straw man. . .When and where did I ever tell you about any first cell?

Because you believe in theory of evolution.

You do NOT know have life on earth began period.

Is it 'you' or 'we'? If it is you, well I know how life began but if it is we(atheist) then how Dawkin is so sure that only one life started it all and how does he know much about life despite that he doesn't know life origin?

That you chose to believe that some superstitious Jewish mythical invention did it is your own problem.

You call it superstition but your own that doesn't know know the origin of life is not superstition, hnmm!

By the way how do you go from the earth was created to asinine claims that the bible is the word of the creator of the universe. . .Does the character portrayed in the bible resemble an entity that can create anything talk more of the universe?

Just resemble the myth of big ba.ng ofcourse.

How does this prove that the god idea created by the ancient Jews exist in reality?. . .

Why can't you answer 'yes or no' efore you ask your own question?

Mr Troll: Emusan no offence but your posts are gibberish. You contradict yourself every time you post something new. I'm outta here. This thread is dumbing me more and more...

If my points are contracdicted, why can't you quote me and show me 'see where you contracdict yourself'.

Run as usual! Hunnnn

ooman: ur ignorance is alarming.

Waooo, thank God is even alarming and you can hear it unlike your own blind faith that has no effect.

OlaAjia: I cannot dispute God's observability.

Then why did you believe that there's no living God?

However, we must first establish the definition of God. Different conceptualisations of God assert his observability or lack there of.

Not really get you here!

For example, many Physicists have a pantheist concept of God which asserts God is the universe and the universe is God.

Does the Universe has a spirit?
Imagine 'pantheist concept' not that they have prove other way to find God.
God can speak and you will hear Him.

In this regards, they assign no personal character or intent whatsoever to god, nor do they suggest that god demands worship or inspires self consciousness.

They will! because they only believe in idol of universe that can't speak.

God has been speaking to His people who has followed the ways He assigned to find Him.

Of course, their definition is essentially observable but I assume it is quite a huge leap from yours.

God's definitions is more observable millions time than any human definition.

So what's your definition of god?

Almighty God the creator of the universe itself.

I am glad and relieved we agree on this point.

why that?

I don't believe seeing god is the only way the establish god's existence.

Please in what way we can prove otherwise kindly tell me?

as this claim contradicts scientific procedures.

The way atheist are looking for God contracdict God's procedure.

But thanks, I appreciate your admiration.

You're welcome!

This is the wrong attitude. Why judge me before presenting your case?

I didn't but just the truth.

is the fact that there is ample and observable evidence that I am interacting with a conciousness with an identity that corresponds with the former.

The phycists who have pantheist concepts of universe as a God, they have consciousness while universe doesn't. Is there any interaction between them and the universe?

Hence, Emusan stops being abstract. So, again, energy as a stand alone word might be abstract, but the concept which it describes is far from; and as I have proven earlier, it is in fact, observable and measurable.

So do God Almighty! QED

Do you claim that God is representable in form of wavelength(s) then?

Not even in wavelength also in other forms, cosmic ray, magnetic field, huge force e.t.c if you're ever be baptized by the Holyspirit for the first time you can't withstand His own force His force will surely pull you down, Moses saw just the back side of God nobody could be able to behold his face-like that cosmic SUN.

If this is the case, then I will have to agree with you that god is definitely observable.

Decide....!

You must, of course, define the importance of this kind of god, who is like every other thing, a product of nature.

Not in anyway God will be part of the product of nature because far far beyond it; He can speak.

Define spirit?

Spirit is an invisible entity (to any ordinary human's eyes) who has mind and soul, and conscious of itself.

I am glad my argument helped you make more meaning of how God operates. I hope you will be kind enough to help an unintelligent and slow person such as myself elucidate this new found understanding.

I'm glad too!

mazaje: If you go about claiming things you have no evidence for, things which are obvious mythology and fiction then you better stay away from me or be mocked for being a lunatic

Do you have evidence for the first cell, how is formed, where it started from, when it begun before you believe that RM & NS cause it to evolve all lives we see on earth?....blind faith in motion

Only lunatics go about talking about myths and fiction as if they are true. . .

Fit perfect to my question above.


Last question for you or anyone who can help you out, do you believe that everything is observable in this nature?

mahdino: Brother, i don't mean to say anything to hurt u or anyone.

I didn't say you ever hurt me, thanks.

But I hope we are not just arguing. There has to be understanding.

Yes sir, but not on your own assumptions!

Please let me ask u a question. When you write a book or letter do u say. The letter according to Emusan?

Ofcourse yes! If I'm writing about my past, which I even did so in 2006.

The bible u have in your hand is not the word of God, Jesus not even Matthew Mark, Luke or John.

Do you have any other reason apart from the one given right from the beginning of this thread to conclude again from where we started? You need widsom sir.

These book were written from 40 - 80 yrs after Jesus.

Yes through the help of the Holyspirit but the Old Testament was written thousands of years and compiled about 200yrs before Christ.

Logicboy03: To Ooman's defence, he was probably talking about when Darwin found out the theory of evolution.......

Ooman, come and land your roundhouse kick on Hisblud!

Theory of evolution...that doesn't know how first cell formed, where first cell started, and when first cell begun...see blind faith in motion

OlaAjia: It is observable and measurable.

Observable!
God also is observable.

Seeing is an important part of observation, but it is not the only way to observe things,

Thanks for this beautiful answer and God bless you more.
How beautiful it will look like if other atheist can reason this way about God.

and it would be very unfortunate and disappointing if you actually think seeing should be THE basis for defining an observable.

It would also unfortunate and disappointing to believe that untill you see God before you'll know He exist. I so much love this your explanation welah!
Keep it rolling Bro...

Optical illusions prove that seeing isn't entirely reliable.

No wonder you leave road enter bush!
Yes ohhh even if you see God you will still think is an illusion.

For the purpose of this discussion, you can replace process with effect, concept or whatever other suitable word is out there.

Alrightiiiii bro Ola

I can also explain to you how a car gets its energy during ignition, but then again, so too can Google, so why bother?

You put gasoline that has already store energy don't forget.

Energy is just the word we use to describe this phenomenon.

You don't spoil my mood nah I'm already enjoying the flow. You come again and said energy is just a 'NAME' which is abstract. Anyway let's keep rolling.

Energies operating outside of this range will typically not be sensed by the eyes,

The God that also operates outside of this range would be difficult to be sense by ordinary human's eyes.

but they can still be measured by means of other devices (eg electron microscopes).

And God can still be seen by operating in your spirit with HIs own spirit.


Brother Ola, you've succeded in make more meaning to how God operate. Thanks alot!

Shalom!

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
The Europeans told us that is the word of God and we simply bought it. Then they enslaved us with the same book!
Trust me.
Do you stone adulterers and homosexuals and children who are disrespectful to parents?
[/quote]Try to understand how God works right from the creation of the world first before you say anything.

mahdino: Emusan
U have agreed that the bible have scribal errors during copy well its more than that.

Don't miss understand me here.

Do u know that at inception the first book first chapter ... God said... Is suppose to be translated as ...Gods said...

How many gods are you refering to? The writter of Genesis made it clear that it's one God.

I will urge u to get the Greeck bible.
About the scientific errors the bible said the light of the moon is its own light which means the light is its product.[quote]I still repeat it you misconstruct the writter's context in that verse, moon gives light but it doesn't produce light true or false?

[quote]The bible also said the heavens has got pillars.

You misunderstood the writter context again, see don't interpret the Bible base on the assumptions of your mind. You know Bible also talks about the pillar of earth and you neglected the part that said earth was hang upon nothing(free flow) because you want to prove the 'word of God' wrong which is imposible shouldn't mean you must interpret it to suite yourself. God continue to renew His word in our heart for those who moves close to Him.

About the creation of the world that the vegetation came before sunlight and u said that plants can survive four four days without sunlight. ur knowledge of science is very weak, let's even say plants can survive for 12 months.

Why can't you verify my statement before you resorted to 'weak knowledge' then tell me, how long can a plant live without food Or you think immediately sun light goes down plant will die?

Then u should know that in creation of the earth the 6 days is not the 24hrs time but an epoch which means a long period of time which can be decades or centuries which if u had known u won't try to say that the vegetation can survive for that period of time.

Says who? Mahdino! Allow God to speak for Himself; He said, He created everything in six literally days. I hope you're talking about progressive creation who believe evolution fit with Bible which many christians didn't go with the idea.

U try to cover up Matt:9:9 and Rev:1:1
Please what kind of language, speech and write ups are u talking about? Even a primary school child can explain to u that its a third person speaking.
Open your heart, mind and use your God given intelligence.

See you, I didn't cover anything up I only try to tell you that we have cases like that in the Bible where the writer spoke in third person language. If you read that Rev 1:1 you will see John still mention his name in that same verse but in case of Mathew his name didn't appear on any verse but on the book itself. I'm using my intelligence sir.

God has so many ways to show u through media like this, he cannot come down and tell u that its not his words.
I know in the bible u can find some word of God e.g in Isaiah ... I am your lord and there is none else. Also u can find the words of the prophets e.g Jesus said in the new testament ... It has been said at the old times... But I say unto you.. Also u can find the words of the hitorians like that of Matt:9:9, Ezekiel 23.

Then I ask you why Bible was called the word of God? If you can provide the an accurate answer I will agree with you.

When u read the bible u will see that Matthew said Jesus went to a certain place and preach the gospel, Mark said the same Luke and John all said he went to a certain place and preach the gospel. Now ask yourself when Jesus was preaching the gospel does he have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John under his arm? NO because all of these were written decades(over 40yrs) after Jesus left the earth.

Yes they were written decades after Jesus left with the help of Holyspirit no wonder Jesus said the Holyspirit will teach them many things and bring to their remembrance all what Jesus said to them and even things they don't know right from the foundation of the world.

Logicboy03: I am amazed at your silliness.

hmmm!

I give up. You win.

I still retain my point "you can only believe there's no God on your own" but not by using scientific theory. But you're asking for God's evidence now?

There was a time that I would spend all day/night arguing with your type but I have learnt better after experiencing the boko haramic attitude to knowledge and science by Ryegnius and Ijawkid....

Do I look like them? Why can't you just answer my simple questions instead of covering truth with excuse.

Keep on crusading for ignorance. You like the computers and technology science gives you but not the facts it tells you.

See you, how does evolution add to technology (observational science)? It's like only atheist study science in this world, know wonder logicboy couldn't answer my simple science questions.

Remember anytime you're talking about origin of science 'creationist' can't be excluded, talking about rapid growth in technology 'creationist' is there.

Because atheist fail to have real time understanding God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Before Christianity came to Nigeria most Nigerian culture recognise 'SPIRITUALity' visually other religions in the world. Why anywhere you get to today people keep mention about spirituality? then definitely some atheist missed it somewhere though some are being open-minded nowadays to support paranormal while the rest are still close their mind as if paranormal is not real about nature.

OlaAjia: You keep mentioning energy as though it were an abstract concept you invoke by prayers. Energy is a process, an effect,

Is this definition of ENERGY mr oga Ola?

Very much in the same sense as you reacting to Logicboy03 differently than how you are reacting to the OP for example. As in, how you are expending effort (read as energy) trying to convince logicboy of your beliefs while at the same time, conserving your energy in your relationship with the OP (because you both agree). Elements are like this too! They agree and disagree.

You stated it above that energy is a process & effect which are abstract, how can someone conserve abstract mr oga Ola?

This complexity in their relationship either allows them to lose their energies, gain energy or conserve their potentials.

How can someone gains something that is abstract? Hmm!

For example, your hand was hanging mid air while you were standing in front of Logicboy and I applied so much force as to cause you to slap him, it would be said that I have transferred energy to your hand.

Remember you caused it if not my hand will remain like that forever, who is the first cause of every ENERGY and where does energy come from mr oga Ola?

Energy is that process that caused your hand to move after my application of force which gave you a 'much desired' momentum to Slap LB.

How can you gain a process?
The force you applied comes from you the force that put energy into process come from wher?

if I apply energy (momentum) to something,

You still want to apply a process to something (abstract to an object) this story sweet die!

say a car, and make it collide with something of known mass, M1. From that, I can actually predict to a remarkably accurate extent, how exactly another object of different mass, M2 will react if I applied the same force to the same car, but this time, colliding with M2; and this prediction will be exactly the same as my experiment, give or take small errors of parallax. What you observe with your electromagnetic sensors that you call eyes is the big picture. You'll either need a super high resolution electron microscope and/or a very good theoretical physics background to observe and understand how this applies in the nanoscopic electronic world. By the way, energy manifests in different forms, but its fundamental representation in physics and mathematics is the Quantum Mechanical representation of the Hamiltonian in the form of Schroedinger's Equation, which, for simplicity and the lack of mathematical operators on Nairaland, I'll write as H=(P^2/2m)+V. Where P is momentum and V is potential.

The car has is initial force from ignition, how you know that.

Energy manifest in different form, but you can see it right?

Sorry for the lengthy post, this is my rudimentary attempt to correct your notion about energy.

I'm sorry for the lengthy reply too, just to show that your attempt fails about energy.

You can also answer my question in the post you quoted.

Shalom!

Logicboy03: 1)I don't believe in god

I know Sir, but you believe in energy and gravity you havn't seen!

2) You are ignorant to say that the evolution or mutation caused the first life.

Who is ignorant between you and I? When what I put up there can be easily understood by any 5yrs old child. I said evolutionist claim RM & NS caused all the lives we are seeing today from a single cell despite that they don't know how the cell was formed, where the cell formed, & when this single cell started.

My question is if evolutionist don't know how, where, when of first life;
*how do they know that it's only one cell that formed that time? What if many lives started from that primodal soup, would they know?

*does RM & NS actually occur on the first life in early conditions of earth? because they let us know that the present conditions of our earth was not as it is in the early stage.

We only know that living organism evolve or die. Following that, the first life mist have evolved all the way to the species we have now. Learn the difference between a cause and a mechanism. It has never been my belief or any scientist's belief that evolution caused the first life.

You misconstructed me in my post. I've clearified myself above. Still on the first live, how do they know much about the first life when they don't know how, when, & where of it.

3) Only crazy religionists like yourself argue against gravity. Why not jump out of a skyscraper if gravity is basewd on blind faith?

My question is very simple. I believe in GRAVITY as what God is using to keep us stable on earth, but my question is you believe in gravity but have you seen it with your eyes?

4) Energy is self evident.

I remember Christians always say God is self-existence did you believe them?

Only religious fools who have a hard time understanding science would compare it to faith.

Do you also believe you have real time understanding about God too? I only mean is it not a blind faith to believe what you haven't seen very simple?

The hypocrisy comes in when you use electric energy powered computers

The same thing happen when all your DNA informations are working accordingly even though nobody knows how it develops.

5) I am not a physicist. Don't throw beliefs in my mouth. Dark matter is their own theory. It has its uses in their calculations.

But you join them using their thermodynamic laws, theory of relativity e.t.c hmm! Logical logicboy

Anyway you didn't answer my questions at all, why? Please try to do so.

Shalom!

frosbel: When you stop propagating witchcraft I will stop perpetuating 'heresies'.

btw, let us know when you have purged your church of the leaven of hypocrisy.

I so much like your signature but sometimes the way you interpret scriptures always piss me off on your threads.

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

You quoted this very verse and bold the last sentence but neglected the first statement with color. This very first statement has ended any arguement about TRINITY.

Imagine Frosbel is in Emusan and Emusan is in Frosbel....does it mean anything to you?

In Phil 2:6-11 ".......9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name(including God's name):
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven(God reside in heaven), and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

in these verses you'll see that God keeps exalting Himself in different forms.

Do you think that 'at the name of Jesus' God should bow?

The word 'Name' itself is an abstract Noun. Someone can have more than one name it doesn't mean the person is splited into many.

More and more to say about the trinity but time will not allow me.

TRINITY simply means GOD: the Father, the Son, and the Holyspirit NOT God of the Father, God of the Son, and God of the Holyspirit-three Gods.

Logicboy03: 1 and 2 are correct. Now juxtapose them with the nonsense you wrote before.

no 3 is babble

You agree life didn't come from God...in above I said scientist don't know the origin of LIFE but you believe random mututaions and NS cause the thousands of lives in universe today.....something they don't know how, when, where it formed, is that not blind faith?

You believe energy is working without seen it, is it not blind faith?

You believe 'dark energy' exist without even know anything about it, is it not blind faith?

You believe GRAVITY controls the rotation of the planets withhout seen it, is it not blind faith?

Now tell me,

The huge gigabite of human DNA informations who wrote it? Remember information is immaterials!

Why planet like earth, mercury, jupiter, pluto rotate counterclockwise and the like of venus & uranus rotate clockwise despite that they all formed from the same star and control by the same gravity?

How consciousness came into existence?

Do you believe there are things that beyond science level in this life?

Logicboy03:

Wow, you are truly silly.

Kindly explain how those nonsense you put there are my "beliefs"? Strawman of the highest order....

See logicboy denying his belief.

I tell you everything up there originated from God Almighty but you and your atheist-like said NO nothing like God.

How they are your belief is this;
1) You're a descendant of Ape-like.
2) You didn't believe God created life.
3) Your idea is evrything in the unverse operate according to their own will by energy e.t.c.

Can you see how blind your faith is now. If you don't believe in everything that is up there, what support your claim that there's no God?

Logicboy03: There is faith and there is blind faith. We actually find some few christians that can be reasonable despite their religion but when it comes to christians that have this blind faith......they are no more than zombies that have lost their thinking faculties

i know that's what you'll resort to 'blind faith' but you never see yourself as someone who actually has this 'blind faith' before atheist do believe that christians lack real science knowledge by not hold on to evolutionary view and now when atheist are being challenged with that same science they resorted to blind faith.

Who have this blind faith?

Someone who has never seen energy yet believe it exist.

Someone who carried huge gigabite of DNA informations in his system and doesn't know how it got there yet still claiming there's no God.

Someone who doesn't know what the 'dark energy' is made up.

Someone who doesn't know the reason why planets rotate counterclockwise on their own axis and revolving the Sun While only Venus & Uranus rotate clockwise despite all the planets are being controlled by the same GRAVITY.

someone who doesn't know the 'origin of life' but believe only a single life started it all.

Someone who doesn't know how unconsciousness energy became consciousness.

And many more..

God has been talking to those who did His will and moved closer to Him because you fail to acknoledge God by killing your conscience not that the evidence is not there to believe in God but you just keep deceiving yourself with no fact.

plaetton: So you're saying that Judaism and Christianity are two different paths to the same god?

Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6!

Said who, Paul?
Paul is a liar and opportunist . He has no credibility with me.

Then you're expecting a credible answer from a liar's book.

So Paul converted from Judaism to christianity, and for you, that should be everyone's cue that god has undergone a transformation and that a new covenant is now force?

Do you always read from back to front? Which transformation are you talking about?

I said before Jesus Christ came all JEWS were expecting a messiah from God. Then when Jesus finally arrived some believe in Him while others still doubted Him as the messiah. If you can take your time to study Bible very well you'll discover that most apostles fully aware that RELIGION exist before Christ but they don't refer to CHRISTIAN as a religion instead they'll say CHURCH of GOD that spread the gosple of Jesus christ both Jesus and apostles quote from JEWS law. People that believe in Jesus Christ that time believe that New Testament is a continuation of the 'law book' OT that's why they added it WHILE people who failed to recognized Jesus as their messiah continue with the OT and still waiting for God to send their messiah.


As anybody ever put knife in your throut, gun in your head, surround you with bomb e.t.c that you must accept Jesus by force?

That is ludicrous, to say the least.

I said it you don't know your stand as atheist, parading religion section and creating many thread about the God you know does not exist is absurb to me.

R. Dawkin has been invited many time to come and verified AFTERLIFE evidence, he refused because he believed he can't exist/happen and has nothing to do with it. Why can't NL atheist be like him?

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