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Logicboy03: lol....
Even christians are now admitting that their God is a slave master....no, even better- a zombie master.

are you a slave to your feelings?

So your God doesnt like people who think and express their emotions?

Remember Dr. Vasee didn't say Chitti shouldn't THINK but there's a set rule given to Chitti.

He prefers obedient zombie slaves.

Well if you call yourself a slave to God good of you but God make it clear that we are not a servant but a SON.

Why worship such a megalomaniacal God?

What you call 'worship' is just a simple set of rules to obey so that devil like Prof. Bora will not haijack you from your creator.

Whatever name you like you can God in case of Chitti, he thought due to the power Prof. Bora gave him even his own creator Dr. Vasee can't destroy him. But at the end he realised once a creator always a creator!

I will like you to watch the movie because what I did is just a summary of it.

After Ten years of research, forsaken his family and his lovely fiancee Dr. Vaseegaran successfully made his Humanoid Robot (Chitti by name) 100% equal human believe of Dr. Vasee. At International Conference of Robot, Dr. Vasee was given a standing ovations for his great work after Chitti answered several questions including this very one:
Aud: Does God exist?
Chitti: What is God?
Aud: The one who created us..
Chitti: My creator exists, Dr. Vasee so God exists.
Though Chitti answered this as an infact machine.

During the presentation of Chitti at AIRD for approval Dr. Vasee's Lecturer Prof. Bora miscommanded Chitti because he has another plan for Chitti which leads to Chitti's rejection. On his way back home, there is fire outbreak somewhere, the rejected Chitti was able to save many lives but the last person Chitti will save was a lady in the bathroom unclad that leads to the death of the young lady because Chitti doesn't know HONOUR. As a result of this Dr. Vasee was forced to installed homones for FEELINGS into Chitti. Chitti performed great work after he has been given the feelings but also has a feeling for his creator fiancee.

At final approval of Chitti at Military Department because he can differantiate between right & wrong, good & bad, Chitti disappointed his creator simply because Prof. Bora has polluted him. This leads to Chitti partially dismantle by Dr. Vasee out of anger because Chitti has broken the rules.

Prof. Bora later locate where Chitti was dumped, recovered him and promised him to reinstall him as he was before, but on one condiction if only Chitti could allow him to copy his neural schema (like human's soul). Well Chitti allows Prof. Bora to go ahead just because he wants to enjoy life. In a course of this Prof. Bora reprograms Chitti and turn him to a terror, unfaithful, denial and betrayal to people around him including his creator (Dr. Vasee).

At last, after Chitti has destroyed millions of properties, killed thousands of people Dr. Vasee subdue his power because he created him, which leads to Government approval for total dismantle of Chitti.

*Peoples say I don't have what they have--FEELINGS--but see how many problems it created.
*Prof. Bora you turn me to a Demon like what many people are today.
*Doctor, you're my God. I betrayed you it was my mistake to break the rules, forgive me.
These are Chitti's statement before he was finally dismantled.

Twenty years later a little girl asked her teacher during excusion to National Museum where remained Chitti were preserved. Why Chitti was dismantled?
Chitti replied: Because I started thinking!

Though Chitti blame Dr. Vasee for given him feelings but Dr. Vasee gave him just because he want him to be conscious of his environment even though he quite knew very well that Chitti can misuse its feeling but he has placed some set of rules in between in order to make Chitti not to misuse it, unfortunately Chitti breaks the rules and Prof. Bora utilized the opportunity to pollute Chitti.

Should we blame Dr. Vasee for given Chitti feelings? No!

Rom 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Film title ROBOT a Bollywood film.

Uyi Iredia: Okay. I get you clear moreso since I was brought up a Christian. Now the purpose of my question was to see if I could wed the Christian concept of the Holy Spirit to my present take on God, and by extension see if a return to Christianity is feasible. I think it unlikely though. As a Christian, I understood the Holy Spirit to be the inner voice, or inner witness that confirms your salvation, the voice of conscience you hear that says this is wrong, this is right, or do this or that. This supposedly comes when a person accepts the faith. I reject it for these reasons:

I now take this voice (ie Holy Spirit) to be a God-given will of man that exists irrespective of any religion or philosophy. WRT my statement you differ to, it is a God-given mind which is applicable in any direction. I see them as 2 sides of a coin. Apparently they are 2 seperate entities (2 coins) to you.

That this voice of conscience, or inner voice which relates to one's ego exists in all men whether or not a Christian. Moreso, since men understood a God before Christ, even in the Bible that the patriachs and other followed God before Christ even while being pagans of sorts which I infer from Laban's search of idols. Or the reply of Pharaoh whom Josiah fought to his demise whom God sent.

I am skeptical of the unforgivable sin which fatally condemns people who blaspheme (insult) the Holy Spirit.

I usually see your stance on this religion section for God but I sense something inwhich I intend to send a PM to you which you have made mention of here.

Like what @Tolu has said, human's spirit operates with spiritual realm. This is a spirit given to all human being direct from God Gen 2:7. Another point is every spirit include God's Spirit have MIND(conscience).

But Holyspirit in other hands is a seperate Spirit from God, before someone will feel the presence of the Holyspirit an external force will envelop the person(you'll feel the direction always at the door), means Holyspirit is not residing in our body until we invite Him into our own spirit after we have washed our spirit to meet with His through the Blood of the Lamb. This is what I call personal encounter with God. So if a Christian can take his/her time to have this personal encounter I believe he/she will ever compromise his/her faith.

About my PM I will still send it.

Shalom!

Nice one Uyi!

Uyi Iredia: @ OP: Please give a concise definition of the Holy Ghost.

With Biblical view Holyspirit is the real spirit of God, the 'Holy' in front signifys the purity of God that make it different from other spirit because there're many spirit in the world from Satan.

Do you think the Holy Ghost is absolutely necessary to believe in God?

Yes! Even if someone accept Jesus at last breath Holyspirit must perfecteth the work within short time before the person's work will be accepted.

And as a living Christian (people that have accepted Christ into their life and still alive) Holyspirit is a great evidence to prove that God really exists. Majority of Christians who has fall on the way I believe they don't have the real encounter with Holyspirit. If not, no one will ever experience the presence of the Holyspirit and deny the existence of Jesus. I'm a living witness, is not imagination at all.

Finally, what do you think of a proposal that what Christians term the Holy Ghost is in fact, the mind of an individual.

No I disagree with you. Holyspirit is a seperate being which you can ask His presence to come on you.

You can see Him, you feel His presence, He can talk to you one on one, infact He's a great comforter. Only those who hasn't experience His presence that think Christianity is just to believe in reading Bible like other books.

Shalom!

mahdino: point of grave important in ur life

If point of grave is not important, why are you fighting against Jesus went to the grave? The reason why I took my time reply all your post is because of that point of grave my brother because I don't want Jesus death to be in vain on you and me.

about leaving the false peace and understand true peace by submitting yourself to God and his prophets.

Your true peace how can I obtain it and through what? What you call false peace is what you are trying to discard all day long. The death of JESUS CHRIST

About the very sign (miracle) of Jesus that he said he is going to be like Jonah and the christians say he is not like Jonah.

Your own assumption, all Christian know that Jesus died and rose up the third day.

You did not see any fault in that but that of golgotta.

Nothing like fault, is just your own false disposition and lack of knowledge of the scriptures.

Shalom!

@mahdino

You and your brethen always talk about Matt 9:9. Is like you need to learn more about ancient method of writing.

For example, this statement is from Lucian of Samosata which I posted above

"It was then that he learned the wondrous lore of the Christians,......."

The above statement was written by Samosata but see the way he composed and wrote about himself. God can't lie!

That's what happen in Bible also.

Shalom!

mahdino: Mahdino, his brethen or muslims are not saying anything except what Jesus said in matt 12: 38-40.

The fact is for you to hold on to this verse alone shows that you don't want to accept the truth.

You explain to us if u are truthful because Jesus said his miracle will be that of Jonah for as Jonah was alive so Jesus will be alive. These are not mahdino's word his brethen or the muslims. Pls stop beating around the bush clearify the miracle solve this problem first,

I think @Eben has explained this earlier, beside even Christians know that the death of Jesus Christ is different from ordinary human death because at Jesus death He went to grave and preach to the dead one's. Jonah prayed at the belly of the fish, Jesus preashed at the grave both happen through spiritual realm.

but u are going out track quoting matt 26:31 then said he unto them... , then Jesus said to them... Pls who is speaking? Is not God nor Jesus nor matthew. Read matt9:9. If matthew was talking he will he saw me and I followed him. These are narration from a historian ur people that having been editing the bible to fit in the Roman concept of salvation. U can check history.

Wao! You call it narration from historian; see yourself the verse you quoted isn't it also a narration from historian?

You even Made mention about Mattew 12:39 but neglecting the beginning of the verse and you later call my quoted verses a narration! did you read the first phrase of that verse 39 at all?

Matt 12:39-40 "But He answered and said unto them.........

What does the above mean? Narrator's voice or Jesus' voice? According to mahdino.

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: shall the Son of man be three daysand three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH”.

The phrase "in the Heart of the Earth"..... Here Jesus didn't say He will go to heaven and then come back to die again. It means the miracle will happen in their presence which is the sign their looking for. This very verse has even nullified any argument against the death of Jesus Christ if you truly want to hear the truth.

Lastly, you boycott "Lucian of Samosata-statement" I posted above, why?

kwangi: @Op, dem no dey climb ladder from up!

Sure!

Justify yourself on that.

mahdino: Please brother what are u reading? Where is your mind? Can't u reason? You are reading something and u are giving it a direct opposite meaning.
Jesus said the only sign (miracle) he can give them is that of Jonah for as Jonah was 3 days and 3nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be.
For 3 days and 3 nights Jonah was alive, alive, ALIVE in the belly of the whale. Jesus was alive, alive, ALIVE in the heart of the earth. Matt: 12:38-40
Jonah never die at any time during the tribulations
Jesus never die at any point during the tribulations

The problem you and your co brethen have is that you always interpret to suite your fallacious statement. Please don't misguide yourself just because you want your claim to be right.

The word of Jesus is better than the words of not only 500 but even a billion christian.

Thank God this statement came out from you.

If Jesus himself has said he is not going to die then to hell with the christian world.

Please point out the verse where Jesus said He will not die?

The words of Jesus the prophet of God is enough for us muslims

See the same word from Jesus:

Matt 26:31 "Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

What does it mean to smite?
Remember when Jesus was cruxified His desciples fled.

38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

Notice the bold, now those are Jesus statement Himself that comfirm the death of Jesus.

Lastly, if I charge of an offence and I try to justify myself by saying I didn't commit the offence, it doesn't hold any evidence because I won't like seeing myself to rot in jail. So I may lie!

What if my best friend says I didn't commit the offence, well because he likes me and doesn't want to see me in jail, we can say he's lying.

What if my relatives say I didn't do it, they might also lie just because they might not want to see me sent to jail.

Finally, what if my worst enemy now says I didn't commit the offence, remember he will like seeing me rotten and perished in the jail; then I'm not guity of it.

What does this signify?

Jesus said He will die, mahdino and his brethen said it's a lie.

Emusan as a best friend of Jesus said my saviour died mahdino and his brethen said it's not true.

Jesus' desciple said their master died, with the evidence that include what mahdino quoted from yet mahdino and his brethen said it's a pure lie.

Then, one of the greatest enemy of Jesus Christ was Lucian of Samosata in his book he try to mock Jesus and his followers but this provide us with a great evidence of Jesus existence and his crucifixion, “It was then that he learned the wondrous lore of the Christians, by associating with their priests and scribes in Palestine. And—how else could it be?—in a trice he made them all look like children, for he was prophet, cult-leader, head of the synagogue, and everything, all by himself. He interpreted and explained some of their books and even composed many, and they revered him as a god, made use of him as a lawgiver, and set him down as a protector, next after that other, to be sure, whom 11 they still worship, the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world."

@bold-Samosata even recognises the remaining eleven desciples and stated it clearly Jesus was crucified.

Mahdino and his brethen what do you have to say about this?

Nobody is forcing you to accept Christian but always have it at back of your mind that Jesus died for you and I leave the story you've been told or implanted in your memory. Stop saying this is what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ it looks rediculous rather say this is what Christian claim but you can't just accept it.

Shalom!

udatso: call muhammad(pbuh) whatever names you like, it doesnt change who he was.

Nobody is calling Muhammad any name than a prophet who was sent by Angel.

you are sure of your religion and so am i christian scholars who are more knowledgeable than you have given testimonies about the holy quran and muhammad(saw).

we are not talking about religion here, we only talk about salvation of our soul.

A christian bishop Boyed Carpenter said in his book titled PERMANENT ELEMENT IN RELIGION page 30 had this to say:muhammad(SAW) is by msny seen only through the fool which dread and ignorance have spread around him. To them he is an object of horror against which any evil might be said..but now the mist of predict has cleared away, we can afford to see "the founder of islam in fairer light"
there are many other testimonies but i wont go into details.[quote]Ok!

[quote]i know ur only path to salvation...which looks very easy and simple...but trust me my dear, the simple and easy way isnt always the right way.....enjoy your simple way to salvation, on judgement day, we shall see who the losers and winners are.....Allah says in the glorious quran " And whoever seeks a religion other than islam, it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers" surah3:85

You never quote any verses where Muhammad(SAW) shows the path to salvation. Please kindly do that.

God will continue to bless us and uphold us with His arms.

I'm so glad you even recognized God's existence.

Apostle Paul in his epestle to people of Romans with the help of The Holyspirit says somethings about the universe and human being and today is being comfirmed by scientist.


Let's look at his inspired statement.
The real verse(s) will appear in blue while added word will appear in default color.

Romans 8:22-23 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together effect of one has a negative impart on the other until now. This verse simply means every creatures are losing their original perfect creation power - 'the word GROAN was translated from Greek word 'stenazo' meaning expressing grief within oneself'.
Today scientist comfirmed how creations groan within themselve:

*Sun is losing its fuel which may end up stop giving light one day.
*Universe keeps expanding which scientist don't no its outcome.
*Earth's atmosphere keeps destroying through green-house emission gasses which human don't know how to put an end to.
*Earth's magnetic field keeps fading.
*Recession of the Moon keeps occuring.
*Living things keep dying
And many more.....

23 And not only they, that is not only other creations but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
Gen 2:7 "God formed man out of the dust of the ground and the Lord God breathed in his nostrils a breath of LIFE and man became a living soul." meaning even human who has the firstfruit of the spirit of God also groan within themselve.

How can this be?

The word 'MUTATIONS' or 'MUTANT' means change, this word has been used millions of times by evolutionist to support evolution of one organism to another organism.

Where this mutant occur? It only occurs in living DNA (every living things have DNA and this DNA contains an INFORMATION or what we called software of life its a genetic code similar to machine code). Time will not permit me to go deep on mutations and DNA information.

Recent research shows us that losing a code or total code from genetic information results to a serious disease or death. waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."

What cause all these creations groaning? Just because of man's disobedient.

But the same God has given us hope to withstand and overcome all these groaning.

Romans 2:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, No matter how groaning of other creations maybe or within ourself if you love God they will surely work together for you own good. to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Whether you like it or not everything in the universe will come to an end one day but the major one is our LIFE, absent of LIFE is what we called Death, where do you want to spend your eternity?

Life isn't a materials thing something that will die and decay.
The Spirit of God 'breath of life' in us will surely return to the owner-God! Moreover, God has promised us eternal life through Jesus Christ His only begotten Son.

Do you love God?

Shalom!

Nice one, the word of God 'Bible' is the genesis to understand our universe.

Scientist have searched the land, oceans, air even now to space just to find origin of life thought LIFE is a cell. The big question is, is LIFE really a cell?

Logicboy03: Wow!

This is the undeniable truth from the bible! This op is not at all a selective reinterpretation of bible quotes! This op covers all the contradicions and inaccuracies in the bible

Misunderstanding of those verses is what you called contradictions and inaccuracies. Only if you really want to know the real meaning of those verses you can bring them up but I won't waste my time if you don't want to.

New Testament was written after the death of Jesus Christ no matter how it might be dated not less than 40-80 AD even by skeptics.

Apostle Paul in his epestle to people of Romans with the help of The Holyspirit says somethings about the universe and human being and today is being comfirmed by scientist.


Let's look at his inspired statement.
The real verse(s) will appear in blue while added word will appear in default color.

Romans 8:22-23 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

This verse simply means every creatures are losing their original perfect creation power - 'the word GROAN was translated from Greek word 'stenazo' meaning expressing grief within oneself'.
Today scientist comfirmed how creations groan within themselve:

*Sun is losing its fuel which may end up stop giving light one day.
*Universe keeps expanding which scientist don't no its outcome.
*Earth's atmosphere keeps destroying through green-house emission which humans don't know how to put an end to.
*Earth's magnetic field keeps fading.
*Recession of the Moon keeps occuring.
And many more.....

23 And not only they, that is not only other creations but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
Gen 2:7 "God formed man out of the dust of the ground and the Lord God breath in his nostril a breath of LIFE and man became a living soul." meaning even humans who have the firstfruit of the spirit of God also groan within themselve.
How can this be?

The word 'MUTATIONS' or 'MUTANT' means change, this word has been used millions of times by evolutionist to support evolution of one organism to another organism.

Where this mutant occur? It only occurs in living DNA (every living things have DNA and this DNA contains an INFORMATION or what will called software of life its a genetic code similar to machine code). Time will not permit me to go deep on mutations and DNA information.

Recent research shows us that losing a code or total code from genetic information results to serious disease or death. waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."

What causes all these creations groaning? Just because of disobedient of man.

But the same God has given us hope to withstand and overcome all these groaning.

Romans 2:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Do you love God?

Shalom!

@Eben

Why did you send our brethens into unreturnable research with your post?

Hmmm......

Pastor Olu T: I quite agree with u that if one wants to live fully in Christ n reign with Him, there is every need for the two. But saying its is the requirement for salvation is not biblical, for all the scriptures says is believing in Jesus to be saved

This is eternal life that they may know You, the one and only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3

when you consider the thief at the right hand of Jesus, he never had the chance to go through all that. Also considering Romans 10:9-10 talks about our believe in Him being the most important part of our salvation.

Now I would not want to take anything out of the op, for it is very necessary for everyone that wants to enjoy abundant life in Christ Jesus according to John10:10 to be baptize into the body of Christ and be filled with the Holy Ghost. we should never see this as prerequisite for salvation for there are times one would not be privilege to be baptize after giving the life to Christ.

Nice one!

Pastor Olu T: kk, in the op u said without these two, meaning water baptism and Holy Ghost baptism one can't be saved?

Actually I said so @op because these are the two key pillars of every believers who truely wants to be like Christ and reign with Him.

timothycel: I understand your point of what it signifies.


How about I equate circumcision to water baptism. IE That is my form of repentance is that I must get circumcised. (I will be told it for the Old Covenant)
Or how about killing a goat for example. Or maybe I shave my head etc burn my old clothes etc. Or any other ritual. Water baptism is also a ritual.

Is any of these rituals above acceptable to God? (I wont say either way).

More importantly were any of these rituals commanded by God under the New Covenant? (I will have to say NO!!)

Conclusion: I think we cant just make things up because of what we think they symbolize or because of what they symbolize to us. What is important is to keep Gods word. Water baptism is akin to idolatry these days as people , it is leading people astray. People believe they will not be saved if they are not baptized with water which is incorrect. Water baptism had its use but it then expired, just like the bronze snake in the desert, it had its use, then it expired. Then the Israelites were led astray because they later worshiped the bronze snake. We are now adding to the bible when we make water baptism a requirement for everyone or Doctrine.

If I started a church and said killing a goat means repentance I would be heavily criticized and told it is not according to the bible (In fact It would be called a cult and Pagan etc). Well neither is being baptized with water in the New Covenant.

Please don't get me wrong here.

What John the baptist actually preached was repentance which he sealed with immersion of water. Change of mind does the work not actually the water! Some churches believe during water baptism they welcome the participant into their midst (whereby change of name(s) can come in). Even water baptism is not just enough that's why Apostle Paul said John only baptize in repentance that Jesus is the one who will complete the task by Holyghost baptism. Acts 19:2-6

Shalom!

superior1: John 6:40 says, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which SEETH the Son, and BELIEVETH on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Believe

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

Believe

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Shall be saved."(Romans 10:13)

Believe

"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness..." (Romans 10:10).

Believe

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:5

Believe.

What saves you (makes you a born again Christian) is believing and confessing Christ. Baptism is for believers in Christ who have given their lives to Him (born again)

@OP, if you have any objection to this let me know before I continue

I don't have any problem with your points above but if you carefully read my OP you'll surely see we're in the same line though you mixed it up with word 'believe'.

The title simply read "Have you received Holyghost since you believed?" Get it right sir!

God bless you.

Pastor Olu T: I don't really get water u are saying about water baptism and would not want to misquote u?

I mean water baptism that was performed by John is just a baptist into repentance and welcome the person into new life begins by pouring water.

timothycel: Nice post. I agree with you to some extent. Let us examine some verses starting with water baptism and then moving on to spirit baptism.

John the Baptist had disciples Luke 11.1 "One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”"

John baptized up until he was put in prison John 3:23-24 "23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized. 24 (This was before John was put in prison.)"

1. John only baptized Jews or people descended from the tribe of Israel.

2. John only baptized men, woman were never baptized by John.

3. It was John who baptized and not his disciples (Even though he had disciples)

4. After John was put in prison all water baptism stopped.

5. John did not leave his baptism to his disciples.

6. Johns baptism did not involve Jesus's name, it was just water but no name.

In light of the above six points how is water baptism relevant to you.

Spirit baptism is supported by the following. Acts 1.5 "5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”" Jesus puts Johns Baptism in the past tense and says once the Holy Spirit has been sent by God baptism will be by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus himself did not baptize but his disciples did, John 4:1-2 " Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples."

Matthew 28:19 "19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

Jesus commands his disciples to baptize, he leaves his baptism to them.

1. Jesus didnt baptize people instead he sent his disciples.

2. Jesus says Johns baptism is passed and the Holy Spirit baptism is coming (John also says in John 3 that he must become smaller and Jesus Greater, ie Jesus baptism must surpass his.)

3. Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize after his death.


Nicodemus

What Jesus said to Nicodemus was true, that a person must be born by water and by spirit. But this was only true for Jews or Israelites. As John was sent to ready the way for Jesus, ie prepare the Jews for his coming. If you read about the purpose of Johns birth Luke 1 etc. So for Jews it was necessary that they be baptized by John and repent because they had broken their Covenant with God (Old Covenant, which the Gentiles were not party to).

Those Jews who refused Johns baptism by choice you will find are the very Jews who refused Jesus. If they had accepted John they would have accepted Jesus.

All this water baptism happened under the Old Covenant as Jesus was still alive and as such the New Covenant was yet to take effect. John died before Jesus and as such did not baptize anyone under the New Covenant.

Conclusion: How then does any person baptize another with water under the New Covenant given the above? Aside from John no one was given power to baptize with water. Who claims to have been given this power today? And if they do, what is written about them in the Prophets?

You're right but remember what I equate water baptism to in my OP. The fact is that people that are doing water baptism today is just to welcome the partaker into their midst (sometimes they change the person's name) not necceasryly mean the person has changed. what should be our paramont concerned as a Christian is how to received a geniue repentance.

Alfa Seltzer: Don't woory, if He wants you to know who He is, He will show you Himself, like He did to me. Unlike you christians, we Satanists don't evangelize. We don't need to explain our Master or force Him upon others. He does that Himself. Unlike your hiding god, Satan is not lazy. He is working all round the clock 7 days a week. No "I'm tired, let me rest" on 7th day bullshit.

Still beating around the bush!

udatso: Lets take a look at the following events
1.John and the Priests
In the Chapter of John, some Jewish priests quizzed John the Baptist about three people
who they were informed about in their scriptures. They asked him:
“Who are you?” John confessed (he didn’t deny but confessed), “I’m not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are
you Elijah?”
John said, “I’m not.” “Are you the Prophet?” John answered, “No.” [John 1:19-21]
So they then asked him, “Why do you baptize if you aren’t the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” [John 1:25]
The priests were expecting three people as prophesied by their books, so they asked
about Christ, Elijah and ‘the Prophet’. So who
is ‘the Prophet’ they are referring to here? The holy spirit?
This cannot be a reference to Jesus as he is the Christ.
Looking at a copy of the Bible with cross- referencing, we find that the words ‘the Prophet’ which occur in John 1:25 refer to
the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18 in the Old Testament, which also mentions a forthcoming Prophet and not a holy spirit.
According to Deuteronomy 18:18 God speaks to Prophet Moses and tells him that he will raise up a new Prophet who has certain
clearly identifiable characteristics: I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever
will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
[Deuteronomy 18:18-19]
In this prophecy God is telling Moses that he will raise a Prophet like him, who will be
from ‘among their brethren’. Please note that am not trying to prove that the comforter is prophet muhammad but to prrove that the comforter is a prophet and not a spirit

So who is now the prophet promised by Jesus Christ?

superior1: Why don't you answer my question since I asked one first?

To your question I say YES! remember what I equate my water baptism to in my OP.

Alfa Seltzer: My destiny and His are linked. I don't need to prove anything as I have submitted myself to Him in this life and the next.

Sometimes over too known is a disease, did I ask for a prove?

I just said who satan is? and you failed to provide answer and keep beating about the bush.

superior1: Are you saying you only get born again when you received the Holy Ghost/water baptism?. Are there no people who haven't been baptised by both water and Holy Ghost and yet are born again?

What does it mean to born again to you sir?

Alfa Seltzer: The one that holds your destiny in His hands.

You err, why can't you put 'MY' instead of 'YOUR'?

Alfa Seltzer: In the presense of Satan, all the above is gibberish.

Who satan is?

In his journey through upper coast to Ephesus; 'Apostle Paul' saw about twelve desciples claiming to be a Christian and asked them the same question:

Acts 19:2 "He said unto them, Have ye received the HolyGhost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost".

Their responds baffles Paul to the point that he asked them again;
Acts 19:3 "And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism".

In the Book of John 3:5 Jesus talks about two categories of baptism that every believers should past through in life:

1. Water baptism
2. Holyghost baptism

1. Water baptism - This is called baptism of repentance-Acts 19:4 it was first performed by 'John the baptist' repentance here signifies total 'submission of heart from old path(way) to embrace the new ways of God' -Rom 12:2

2. Holyghost baptism- This signifies coming of Holyghost into the life of someone who has prepared his/her life to meet with the Lord and to have part in Christ Jesus; Rom 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". And to testify of Jesus as the 'Son of the living God'.

Without these two no one can enter the kingdom of God through Christ.

*How can a Christian claim that God exist without the Spirit of God in him/her, what evidence do you have then?

*How can you know the things of God without God's spirit in you? 1 Cor 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God".

*How can you become a son of the most High God without the Holyghost in you? Rom 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".

*How can you speak in tongues or prophesied without being filled with the Holyghost? Acts 19:6 "And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied". and many more......

Scince you claimed to be in Christ or born agian, have you received the baptism of the Holyghost?

Are you still like those twelve desciples who claims to be Christ-like but never have part in Christ?

Roman 12:1 says "......that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice (which is the Holyghost in you), to make you (holy) throughout your lifetime, and your work to be (accepteble unto God), which is your reasonable service" Emphasis added!

This verse made it clear that going to church to serve God won't be in vain with the help of the Holyghost and to succeed in this Christian's race you need Holyspirit.

Shalom!

FearGodAndLive: The Spirit of God is upon all his children.

Who are the children of God?

Why do christian need Holyghost baptisn?

benalvino: I don't understand what you mean by holyghost baptism... Sir

But about the gift of the tongue... It simply means gift of languages
for communication between 2 people.it is never said to be used in the
sense of praying to God

I mean when the spirit of God come upon you.

benalvino: We have already done it. Plus the last verse I quote about they should keep quiet if no one is there to interprete it. But you keep ignoring it.

Ok you take it verse by verse to verse 20

Ben just one question for you, have you ever received Holyghost baptism?