₦airaland Forum

desiredhome:
how does collecting of tithes, sacrificial offerings, seeds and all the money money money impacted the Church (members) even when the said passage has always been "that there will be meat in the house)" is the meat now private jets, private empire/businesses, expensive private schools etc?

How many churches do we have in Nigeria and how many of them own private jets?

This particular man of God , Dr D. K Olukoya , has the second largest church in Nigeria , he could have gotten a jet. if he had wanted.

How they utilised the tithes and offerings is left to them , which they will give account of .

frosbel2:
As usual , MUMU sheeple fighting for their greedy conman called man of god

Idle words !

Have investigated and discovered the man of God to be a greedy conning man ?


Matthew 12:36 KJV
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

desiredhome:
Why is he enemy of Christianity? for speaking against pulpit bandits that are selling the gospel of Christ?
wake up

How does the collections of tithes and offerings be related to selling of the gospel?

frosbel2:
He is an enemy of FOOLISHNESS

You don't believe in hell , you don't believe in Jesus Christ and you don't believe the Bible , your case is critical than that of the pagans.

We will continue to pay our tithes from what God has given us, as long as we live , even it is foolishness.

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

HappyPagan:
You are too. You don't worship my God. fucking pagan.

I am not a pagan .

You have chosen your journey of life , but I will never follow that part of eternal destruction , because I know the truth & I will never go close to paganism :

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 KJV
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,
[18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


You still have breath to live and repent , don't be happy of what shall destroy you , that is foolishness.

HappyPagan:
True. Every Christianity should be an enemy of Nigerian Christianity. Nigerian Christianity is anti-Christ.

YOU ARE A PAGAN .

This guy is an enemy of Christianity .

THANK YOU JESUS.

OP , you are not yet a christian but just a bible reader .

What did Jesus mean by this ?


John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God.

Why do people need repentance and be born again , since all they need is just to believe in the death of Jesus ?

What is the use for " repentance and being born again "?

HenryDion:
The xtain God, Yahwah, was a full time supporter of slavery. Why is it regarded as evil today by the xtain folks? Are they wiser than their own God?

This is what I have in my Bible :

Ephesians 6:5 KJV
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Servants are not slaves.

Even at that , do you expect the apostle to say , "slaves disobey your masters " ?

Now that slavery is abolished , the scriptures would have been like , " servants disobey your masters" .
This would make christianity to be seen as evil because it breeds disunity .

frosbel2:
Ladies and Gentlemen , first off - a very happy Christmas to you and yours.

I put it to you today, that if you think very deeply about this thing called Penal Substitution and analyse it properly, you will come to the conclusion that NO MAN on this earth can die for the sins of another man and this extends to the person of Jesus Christ who was a MAN when he walked this earth.

If we are truly made in the image of God , then we can say with certainty that we are imbued with his sense of what justice truly is. Imagine if a man takes another man's life , is taken to court and acquitted because the son of the judge decided to take punishment for this man. There will be an uproar, in fact there will be a huge riot in the court because justice has not been served and the man who committed one murder might go on to commit another murder because he was not held to account for his sins. Is this not total madness and insanity, who can believe this but the brainwashed or indoctrinated but confused intellectuals.

You see my beloved folk, this is why Christians sin , repent , sin repent and keep sinning and repenting - because no matter how much evil they have or may commit, it is all covered with the blood of Jesus. No matter how much adultery , robbery, lying and evil these people perpetrate, they are forever innocent by the blood of Jesus. This is a truly insane doctrine.

Lets examine this these Scripture ;

"Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin" - Deuteronomy 24:16

"Yet he did not put the sons of the murderers to death, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded: "Fathers must not be put to death for their children, and children must not be put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin" - 2 Kings 14:6

"Instead, each will die for his own iniquity. If anyone eats the sour grapes, his own teeth will be set on edge" - Jeremiah 31:30

This things called Penal Substitution is just another excuse for lawlessness and evil. Do not believe it , it is false.

Jesus cannot take away your sins, you must be willing to do good yourself and avoid evil if you want to be counted righteousness.

Stop this nonsense about Jesus blood washing away your sins, it is gross misrepresentation of reality and is nothing less than a MYTH.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE EFFICACY OF "CURSES" AND THEIR GENERATIONAL EFFECTS ?

Martinez19:
Being knowledgeable is not the same as being wise. A wise man wouldn't have disobeyed God and married plenty wives.

I did not mention knowledge , neither did the Bible.

God gave Solomon wisdom to rule Israel and he did it perfectly.

The fall or mistake of Solomon was a spiritual one . The least spiritual knowledge is far greater than the greatest wisdom of this world.

bodee:
To quote bible to explain bible, we call it circular reasoning. Don't be warped minded! Those that wrote the bible are humans just like you. Use your reasoning faculty to adjudge things.
The poster gave reasons and deductions on why Solomon shouldn't be tagged as the wisest man; and all what you could come up with

How did you come about the assertion that Joseph and Daniel were the wisest men in the Bible ? Was your reasoning not from what you read from the Bible ?
Since you have a reasoning faculty , why couldn't you quote something outside the Bible to explain why Solomon was not wise ?

Whether it is a Circular reasoning or rectangular reasoning , the truth is you don't answer a chemistry question with a biological answer. You use the chemistry texbooks or materials to answer chemistry questions .

The op , gave reasons why Solomon was not the wisest man based on his shallow knowledge of the Bible , and I gave him why he was the wisest , based on what is written in the Bible , period.

Martinez19:
Joseph and Daniel happened to be the wisest men in the bible.

JOSEPH AND DANIEL DID NOT HAVE 2% OF THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON.

1 Kings 4:29-31 KJV
And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.
[30] And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.
[31] For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.

Originakalokalo:
Solomon was wise...He simply disobeyed God's instructions on who to marry.

He married strange women who turned his heart away to their idols....

.and that was his greatest undoing.

Let me show you that Solomon was the first person to use population sampling in gathering data...

I thought in my heart, "Come now, I will test you with pleasure to find out what is good." But that also proved to be meaningless....

He decided to undergo a research...how?



He tested fun, comedy and laughing...

Laughter," I said, "is foolish. And what does pleasure accomplish?"

He tested fun with wine..

I tried cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly--my mind still guiding me with wisdom.

He tested having properties...

I undertook great projects: I built houses for myself and planted vineyards.

I bought male and female slaves and had other slaves who were born in my house. I also owned more herds and flocks than anyone in Jerusalem before me.

He tested building recreational centres..

I made gardens and parks and planted all kinds of fruit trees in them.
I made reservoirs to water groves of flourishing trees.

He tested riches....

I amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces.

He tested having fun with live bands...

I acquired men and women singers, and a harem as well--the delights of the heart of man...

During this experiment, he kept something constant so as to be sure of the outcome of the research...

In all this my wisdom stayed with me....

And finally he came to a conclusion having sampled these with people...

Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was

meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.

Meaningless.

All these are found in Ecclesiastic chapter 2.

Everything under the heaven is represented in his population sample...

He then drew a conclusion.



When alfaman is long gone out of this world,

God will say..

."Now, Alfaman is in trouble "

Yes .

Solomon was the first biology lecturer :



1 Kings 4:33 KJV
And he spake of trees, from the cedar tree that is in Lebanon even unto the hyssop that springeth out of the wall: he spake also of beasts, and of fowl, and of creeping things, and of fishes.

alfaman3:
Hahaha! They keep repeating the same thing to sheeple.
Let me school you a bit.

When Solomon became king, there was already peace between Isreal and its neighbours. Peace negociated by his father David. The era of war was during Saul's reign and parts of David's reign.

Solomon was a pampered ursurper who became King instead of Adonijah, the first son of David.

He had nothing. He used the wealth acquired by his father to expand his army. Army that had nobody to fight as his dad already conquered all their neighbours. He expelled all former generals and appointed his friends into power. He married women up and down.

He was indeed very foolish.

Your problems are so many , may God deliver you.

Even centuries after Solomon , no wise and knowledgeable person would say " era of war was over " , talkless of the time of Solomon. Muhammad that came about 1400 years after Solomon fought wars .

David fought wars till his death , his soldiers had to ban him from going to war with them. He did not have rest . But Solomon did not fight any war and had peace and rest.
Kings after him had to fight wars and were eventually conquered and taken into captivity.

For example :

2 Kings 8:26-29 KJV
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.
[27] And he walked in the way of the house of Ahab, and did evil in the sight of the Lord , as did the house of Ahab: for he was the son in law of the house of Ahab.
[28] And he went with Joram the son of Ahab to the war against Hazael king of Syria in Ramoth-gilead; and the Syrians wounded Joram.
[29] And king Joram went back to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him at Ramah, when he fought against Hazael king of Syria. And Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah went down to see Joram the son of Ahab in Jezreel, because he was sick.

By merely saying the era of war was during Saul , is a pointer to the fact that you lack wisdom. Since you lack wisdom , how can you identify a wise man ?

JUST LIKE SOLOMON SAID :
Proverbs 29:9 KJV
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.

This means , it is of no use to reply you again , because you lack wisdom.

cleanvessel:
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not (Quran 2:216).


Muslims claim jihad (Islamic War) is self defence. If it is truly self defence, why would Allah say you hate it.

Do Muslims at any time in history hate self defence? No one hates defending himself/herself.

It natural for humans and even animals to defend themselves from being attacked. If they cannot face the situation with self defence, they would naturally run for their dear lives without being told.

You need no god or God to instruct you to defend yourself. What the Quran is prescribing here is fighting innocent non-muslims and not a case of self defence.


Allah said fighting is good for you.

How is fighting good for man?

What do you expect them to say when they have been programmed to lie from their youth ?

To lie is part and parcel of Islam. It not that they don't know , neither are they ignorant of the fact that their religion is a VIOLENT AND INTOLERANT one , but they feel they are doing God a service by deceiving people.

alfaman3:
Religion really is bad.
I grew up believeing that this foolish monarch was the epitome of wisdom because of what my parents and priests told me.

I have now studied the life of Solomon and realised that he was actually very foolish. And he knew it.

A wise man does not ask for wisdom. Someone who can see does not ask for sight.

If Solomon was wise, there are lots of other things he could have asked of someone who claimed to be omnipotent. Instead he asked for the thing he lacked most: wisdom.

Even god took pity on him and his foolishness and decided to give him other things he should have asked for.

But the olodo wasted everything his father built. He was chasing skirts up and down, wasting money building useless castles, writing nonsense.

The most significant thing he did was to order a living baby to be cut in half! Alive!

To believe that this olodo king was presented as a role model to me and people are still using him as epitome of wisdom is very sad for humanity.

You are the real Olodo , because you don't know the power of wisdom .

Solomon , via wisdom , was able to rule Israel without fighting a single war.
Solomon , via wisdom ,was the richest man that ever lived.

The only two things you need to rule a nation successfully , are God's guidance and wisdom.

He ruled Israel successfully , which showed he was wise.

1 Kings 4:24-25,34 KJV
For he had dominion over all the region on this side the river, from Tiphsah even to Azzah, over all the kings on this side the river: and he had peace on all sides round about him.
[25] And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beer-sheba, all the days of Solomon.
[34] And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.

spongeisback:
No! Prior to the law, Abraham sent his bastard away. Since Abraham is our father and we must tithe because he tithed we MUST uphold this scripture.

You can't pick and choose what Christ died for.

Ishmael was not a bastard :

Genesis 21:13 KJV
And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

cosiocan:
JESUS IS NOT GOD!
Romans 3:4 KJV
Let God be true, but every man a liar; ( Every church, king or ruler)
God said,
Psalm 89:26-27
Christ shall cry unto me, Thou art my father,
my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Also I will make him my firstborn,
higher than the kings of the earth.
God also said,
Psalm 45:7 KJV
Christ lovest righteousness,
and hatest wickedness: therefore
God, thy God, hath anointed thee
with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
The God of Isreal is;
The God and Father of Christ.

Jesus is God the Son , your Creator and my Creator .
God the Father , Jehovah , the the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and is one with the Lord Jesus Christ.

maestroferddi:
Her dressing says it all...

You are very very correct .

luvmijeje:
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Base on the above I've five questions for you.

1. How come Matthew the writer of the first gospel book was never recorded in the Bible?

2. How come Mark the writer of the second gospel book was never recorded in the Bible?

3. How come Luke the writer of the third gospel was never written in the Bible?

4. If they all wrote it as you claimed how come 'I' was never made use of in the telling of the narrative? Everything is in third person singular or plural.

5. If they all wrote it as you claimed, how come none of them were present in the last supper where only the 12 disciples were present? Do you know what that mean? They witness to something they didn't see.

There were a lot of events they were not partaker of but they witnessed to.

1)
You are wrong , Matthew was mentioned in the Bible as a disciple of Jesus :
Matthew 9:8-9 KJV
But when the multitudes saw it , they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
[9] And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.

2)
Mark was mentioned in the Bible . He was a preacher with Peter and spent time with Paul and Barnabas in Antioch. Mark was a close friend and helper of Paul. He was known as John Mark.

Acts 15:39-40 KJV
And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
[40] And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

3)

Luke is mentioned in the Bible , he was a Gentile physician . He was a missionary companion of Apostle Paul :

2 Timothy 4:10-11 KJV
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
[11] Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

4)

Mathew and John the beloved , who wrote the books of John and Revelations were present with him.

luvmijeje:
Thank you for bringing up Alexander the great(I actually don't know him). Alexander the great invade land and take it for himself but he didn't lie against God. Moses misled people by using God when he didn't need to.

The church and mosque are making the same mistake Moses did. They are lying against God to force people to come to their religion centers to do their bidding.

Can the owner of a property be accused of stealing his own legally owned property ? No .

Psalm 24:1-2 KJV
The earth is the Lord's , and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
[2] For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

You and everything in the world belong to the Lord.

A landlord has the right to evict any tenant from using his properties . It is for sure that every owner of a property would like his tenants to maintain his property properly.

See the reasons why God evicted the Canaanites :

Leviticus 18:21-28 KJV
And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord .
[22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
[23] Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
[24] Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
[25] And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
[26] Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
[27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
[28] That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

THE SIGN FOR YOU TO KNOW MOSES DID NOT DECIEVE THE PEOPLE WAS HOW GOD DIVIDED THE RED SEA .
HE PROMISED ABRAHAM THAT HIS DESCENDANTS SHALL DWELL IN A FOREIGN LAND AND BE AFFLICTED , AND HE (GOD) SHALL BRING THEM OUT WITH A GREAT SIGN , FOR YOU AND I TO KNOW THAT HE IS GOD.

luvmijeje:
Let me answer it accordance.

Firstly, I used the word discover because I don't have knowledge of it before.

Research are done by reading documents in relating to what you are interested in. It won't kill if you do it too. In in this case I simply queried the authors of four books of the gospel.

No the Bible didn't start 100 years ago. It was made public 500 years ago when a man named Martin Luther interpreted the Bible and fought for it to be made public. Do you know about that? Meaning the Bible was accessible to a few group of men who called themselves priests. Again do you know about that?

The Bible was not made public. The new testaments was written after every single one involve were dead and buried. It's like writing a book on Oduduwa the so called founder of Yoruba race. Where will I get my materials from? The four books of gospel was based on I hear and them say and not on what the writers saw and heard.

There is a reason Christians are still in minority and not majority in the Land of Isreal. They are mainly jews.

Jesus is your lord and personal saviour and not mine.

There were many failed researches in the past and there will continue to be in the future. Meaning , the fact that you conducted a research does not mean you got the right answer.
For example , the Arabs had copies of the Bible far back as the 5/6 th century , but your research did not show you this :

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 829:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."

WERE THESE PEOPLE PRIESTS ?

The translation of the Bible into English started back in the 7th century.

When conducting your research , did you consider the internal source , that is , the writings in the Bible ?

John 21:22-25 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
[23] Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
[24] This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. [25] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

THIS WAS WRITTEN BY JOHN THE BROTHER OF JAMES , A DISCIPLE OF JESUS.

More importantly , did you ask God to show you the truth about Jesus ?

Pls , don't waste your life , Jesus is truly our Creator , this I know from personal encounters.

Rashduct4luv:
We believe Allaah is the creator of everything and all is subject to His laws. So the sun doing what is stated in the hadith is a no-brainer if you have sense.
Moreover, this is a matter of the unseen of which is above science.

No one is disputing that God created everything and that they are subjected to the commandments of God. Even science did not dispute this .
The oroblem is that Muhammad had no knowledge of what he was saying , and was fond of this , like :

Allah SWT says:

حَتّٰىٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِى عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا ۗ قُلْنَا يٰذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّآ أَنْ تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّآ أَنْ تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness.""
(QS. Al-Kahf: Verse 86)

Can you read that nonsense ? The sun setting in a spring of dark mud ?
That is Islam for you.

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 621:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet said, "Fever is from the heat of Hell, so abate fever with water."

This simply means , muslims should not go to the hospital for healing from fever neither should they take any medicine to cure it , other than water.
Do you believe that ?


Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, GOLDEN LOCUSTS began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.' "


STONE DEVELOPED LEGS AND RAN WITH MOSES CLOTHES?
GOLDEN LOCUSTS AND SILVER LOCUSTS ?

My point is , Muhammad was a fake prophet .

budaatum:
There is no evidence for any of this, eni, and the accounts you claim were written by the people you mention does not indicate they wrote it!

And the research was not simply translating "from one existing language to another existing language".

One of the evidences is this below :

John 21:24-25 KJV
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
[25] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


These are the very last two verses of the book of John , which serve as an identify of the writer and his signature.

budaatum:
The Gospels according to Matthew and John were not written by the disciples Matthew and John, eni. And it isn't true that "What is available from that long past years is enough and more authentic than mere probabilities set by researchers", nor is it true that "any research after more that a Thousand year is a guess work or mere opinion".

The Bible itself has benefited immensely from research done in the past thousand years. If it hadn't, you'd have had to learn Latin or Greek to be able to read it!

Mathew was the Jewish tax collector for the Roman govt who was called by Jesus tp become one of the Twelve apostles.
Thus , his Gospel often gives an eye -witness account.

The book of John was written by John the brother of James who were followers of John the Baptist until Jesus called them to follow him. Jesus referred to them as " Sons of Thunder " , but later as "disciple whom Jesus loved".
John also wrote the 123 books of John and the bpok of Revelation.
He was very close to Jesus. This gives , also , a vivid eye - witness account .

Lastly , translations from one existing language to another existing language is not a research work per se but more of education .

budaatum:
Have you done any research into this at all? There's quite a lot out there pointing to none of the gospels being written by the disciples of Jesus. The earliest gospel is said to be Mark, and it's author is anonymous.

And sorry luvmi. Revelations was one of the later documents. The letters of Paul being the first.

Was mark the only gospel ?
What about Matthew and John , were the Two not disciples of Jesus ?

One thing is clear , and that is , researches into the long past can be right or wrong. What is available from that long past years is enough and more authentic than mere probabilities set by researchers.

The Bible had been existing more that 2000 years , any research after more that a Thousand year is a guess work or mere opinion .

I wonder what your type would have said , had it been the Bible was not written or documented .

Rashduct4luv:
Your evidence pls.

Other Prophets of the Bible were not prophets of Allah , except muhammad :
" There is not God but allah, and Muhammad is the messanger"
Your " shahadah " , says it all , that ONLY Muhammad was allah's messanger.

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Rashduct4luv:
Prove me wrong from your book.

Trying to prove you wrong would amount to deviating from the subject of the thread , which is against the rule and what I accused you of. .

This thread was opened about 2 years ago and the last response was also about the same time .

Where were you since then , was the answer that hard that it took you 2 years to respond with an unrelated Bible scriptures ?

The question is , does the Sun move about , according to the hadith or it does not , according to science ?

luvmijeje:
Thank you for asking.

I've gotten to discover he's a man like you and me with his own flaws. That a certain group of men sat down in a cubicle and decides to play God by creating a mystery around him.


Do you know the first manuscript ever discovered in relation to the new testament was the the book of Revelation. The first set of manuscripts that should have been discovered if we go according to the Bible should be the 4 books of gospel. And in carrying out my research, I found that the authors of the four gospel books are not witness talk less of christ's disciples. How can you write about someone when you're not a witness?

What exactly do you mean by " discovered" ?
Where they at anytime lost ?

Secondly , what research did you carryout and how did you come to the conclusion that the writters of the gospel were not the disciples of Jesus ?


Do you think the Bible just started existing 100 Yeats ago ?
Why was the Bible allowed in the land of Israel , which is the centre of it all , or was it not known to them that Jesus never existed ?

Why did the Israelites Pharisees not dispute the occurrences of these events ?

Pls , don't decieve yourself , I know PERSONALLY that Jesus is real , and he is our Lord and Saviour .