₦airaland Forum

Gerrard59:
From a Nigerian POV, marriage, join the army and EB2-NIW. Fair deal.

Although, the EB2-NIW seems to favour PhD holders. What if one has an MSc and MBA?

Six years to do PhD (even with an MSc) get as e be.

cc: TWoods

tensazangetsu20:
And people will get a student visa and write a new dispensation lol until you get a green card you aren't that different from someone in Nigeria. The opportunities are there but you can't explore it without a green card.

C'mon! Come off it! Emilokan would make Nigeria great again.

meritdee:
The EB2-NIW is a pathway that I feel Nigerians are sleeping on. I’ve mentioned this in one of the US travel parts before. Indians and the Chinese have been using it for a very long time. Hence the heavy backlog.
It’s the same path that myself and some of my friends used. The link below will provide more context.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-second-preference-eb-2

From a Nigerian POV, marriage, join the army and EB2-NIW. Fair deal.

Although, the EB2-NIW seems to favour PhD holders. What if one has an MSc and MBA?

Six years to do PhD (even with an MSc) get as e be.

mantics:
There are many legit pathways, get a job and employer files for you through H1B. Another option is NIW EB-2. There are some other ways too.

You mean like those that were recently sacked and have sixty days to find a new employer or leave the country? The same people whose green card applications have automatically reset to zero as they got retrenched?

CoronaVirusRelo:
Indians are secretive! Those lots are IT mafias!

Why I was trying to tell him he is on the wrong forum!

Even when you try to infiltrate their forum, your name must be Anthab Bashar, and must be able to speak Indian English.


The links are out there, no one will tell him on a public forum!

I am not seeking the opinions of Indians but Nigerians. How is it hard to understand? I made an analogy to Indians as I bet similar questions have been asked. I even know that the Chinese discuss the same issues on their fora, but why should I be interested in their methods when I am neither Chinese nor Indian? On paper, any sub-Saharan African is better positioned in the road to eventual naturalisation than those Asians, so our ways are not the same.

mantics:
It's been a while here. School workload.. I hope those denied are making moves and trying to improve their profile. The American dream is valid, don't give up. If you have been denied before, please try and apply to more schools and ultimately get funding. There are more than 3k schools in US and you will surely find a fit for you. All the best to everyone, this thread is a gem and try read past PARTs as well. I hope to check more frequent these days.

Well done bros. I am curious, what are the ways Nigerian students use to remain in the US for a longer period after graduation?

You could chip in here: https://www.nairaland.com/7535720/nigerian-students-now-americans-how

CoronaVirusRelo:
You wont get such info on a public forum!

No one will give you the link of a public forum., they will encourage you!

Encourage abi discourage?

If it is Twitter, I can understand since it has a global audience, but Nairaland is targeted at Nigerians. I wager that an Indian has asked similar questions to foras populated by Indians.

cc: Kelechi009, MackyNaija & TWoods.

@Ednut1, (you suppose sabi one or two persons)

Sequel to the recent retrenchment of tech bros and gas (https://www.nairaland.com/7533677/google-parent-alphabet-cut-12000), and reading tales online from foreign nationals especially those in the developing world on how they need to find a job within two months or be made to leave the country. It got me wondering how exactly the US immigration process is considering how immigration friendly the US is seen globally. In simple terms, this is a summary of how it is to become a naturalised American if entered through the study route:

tensazangetsu20:
Very few jobs sponsor for H1B o. The thing is that it's even a lottery system so a company can sponsor you and you won't even get it. When you graduate as a student you have OPT which allows you to work but it's only valid for a short amount of time (three years if STEM and one year if not STEM). You have to try to get H1B during your opt period. If you can't, you have to leave the USA. If you also get H1B you need to maintain it for 6 years to get green card. If you lose your job while on H1B you have 60 days to find another else you have to leave the USA. For some nationalities like Indians and chinese, it's almost impossible to get green card due to backlog. There's indians who have been working for 10 years on H1B and can't get green card.

Additionally, from the US immigration website, slightly above 1000 Nigerians petitioned for H1B (chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/data/h-1b-petitions-by-gender-country-of-birth-fy2019.pdf). Meanwhile, more than 11K Nigerian students are studying in the US – the highest from Africa (https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/06/number-of-nigerians-studying-in-us-increased-by-93-in-10-years-erudera-com/). So, where the remaining 10K+ go after their studies? Dem no see work? If they got employed, how did they become citizens/permanent residents?

It is the dream or, I dare say the aim of many of those Nigerian students to stay longer and possibly naturalise in the US after their studies, even if they return to Nigeria later in life. So, since the road to eventual naturalisation is not as straightforward like Canada, I am genuinely curious how those who became permanent residents (green card holders) or citizens did it. The same also applies to the UK since it takes at least five years to become an ILR holder and another year to become a naturalised British. Also, the window to remain in the UK after a job loss is also 60 days for non-UK citizens. Just that, the UK does not have a tumbo-tumbo H1B system like the US.

For instance, look at the Twitter links and screenshots. Getting a job as an international student, especially outside tech is not guaranteed and one has to hold it for at least six years while navigating the tumbo-tumbo H1B system before becoming a green card holder. To buttress it, the Chat guy don go back to Trinidad & Tobago even after attaining a degree from Caltech and was an Olympiad winner after his secondary school studies. So, it is not by degree or prestigious university but by how the system is designed.

One might suggest a PhD, but not everyone has the time, mental strength to undergo the degree

TheNoble007:
The best bet is to be a PhD candidate in STEM, do good research work and show that you are a person of extraordinary ability which is not very difficult and viola, you apply for EB1A via express.... That's the surest way to approval now. Or the person do a postdoc after PhD and then get a faculty role in a less competitive college or University.... There is no cap for H1B for higher institutions at all...

https://twitter.com/bradchattergoon/status/1554906852852465665?s=20&t=y6XsFbta5Y9pvIQcFzGHGA
https://twitter.com/anthonyjdella/status/1615817810311278592

So fellow Nigerian students who have now naturalised in the US, how did you do it?

Samantha123:
I'd have to say all southern African countries except for Zimbabwe.

But one thing I like about those good and hardworking zimbabweans is that they're very much humbled, respectful, friendly, and they always fulfill their promises.

This is where my brothers lack. I witness the opposite of such attitudes in bold, and in my opinion, it is a major reason they have issues with the host country's citizens. Other factors are being lawless and dishonest - they think it is Nigeria.

Nazgul:
Men don't sleep with themselves...they do it with women.



Both parties meet, the girl takes her money while the man gains access to her body...it's just a transaction with both parties benefiting from each other.

If more ladies embrace hard work and good morals, men would learn self control. Cos if there are no cheap ladies to open their legs for a price, Randy men would have no one to offer cash to.

So western ladies who cheat, too, are lazy? Good morals extend to both parties. The onus for cheating is on the married man - who vowed to respect the sanctity of marriage. It is not the spinster's duty to respect another's man marriage. Most importantly, it is men who demand sex. Simple economics dictates that there has to be a supply, as demand cannot exist in a vacuum. If Nigerian men learn to respect their marital vows and rather spend the money on their families, cheating will reduce.

Also, biology says men, not women, need sex almost daily due to the hormone - testosterone. That very hormone means the average man is always hor.ny every day compared to women. Buyers dictate what sellers will sell. No buyer, no seller.

My issue with married men who cheat is when they label their single male friends as irresponsible.

Cheat oh (na you and your wife get problem), but don't label me as irresponsible.

ednut1:
there is already nudity everywhere for more then 20 yeas. Porn is easily accessible and there is even now Nigeria porn genre online. The movies are rated 18 plus. Do not watch them . Talking about morals in a country with high numbers of olosho and side chicks. With hotels in every street where people come to lodge with women. Abeg rest

Check the thread where someone suggested newly wedded couples should say if I cheat, let me die. Ninety percent plus of the replies were against it. Also,on Twitter, a Nigerian dude based abroad lampooned his friend and friends of the friend for cheating on their wives when they go out to lounges, majority of Nigerian men including some females were against him.

But hey, mOrALs

Samantha123:
She's telling the truth, I remember back in varsity I once played a prank on my family that I was dating a Nigerian man, my family were ready to skin me alive..

But anyway, not all Nigerians are bad people just like all the other nations.

I am curious, which African nationals (excluding North Africans) have the best representation or outlook by South Africans in South Africa?

For instance, "Nigerians have the worst with Zimbabweans and Somalis coming second and third?"

Fedrick100:
You don’t like Nigerians but you are on their forum, you shouldn’t be here since you don’t like Nigerians

Anyways I blame those Nigerians that go to your country, i rather travel to Ghana than your overrated SA.

Not matter how y’all hate Nigerians, We’ll always be better than y’all in everything

So, gist us, what is Nigeria better at than South Africa? I am genuinely curious.

PrinceMajestic:
Ugly looking bitch, anything those xenophobic bastards are involved in ends up bad. I have tried forcing myself to watch the show but it's so boring and the sight of these xenophobic demons irritates me, It infuriates me seeing them on my TV screen after their xenophobic attacks when they were openly butchering Nigerians broad day light and celebrating it on social media, Nigerians are just dumb to watch them on t.v or have a stupid short memory on what happened in S.A 2019? the same idiots are there trying to gain relevance by mixing up with Nigerians on live show. No thanks to biggie for this stupid season

Coming from a citizen of a country where they chant IPOB and Afonja at themselves daily?

C'mon! Nigerians lack the moral right to lampoon South Africans for being xenophobic when they (Nigerians) are renowned tribalists.

WannaHowzit:
Lol, at bolded, such as? 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Last time I checked the only girls dating Nigerians were alcoholics and crackheads. That's why you guys always say they're cheap coz you can sleep with them for just 2 beers.

Get your story right and then return with your socks pulled up ok 👍🏾

This chick is right, it's a taboo💯. Ask your brothers if they ever get invited into SA homes or for braais just to chill with South Africans. Hardly ever happens❌. The girls just endup going up and down with them like Robin hoods, and Bonnie and Clyde (outcasts) - coz the chicks also get tainted in the eyes of the public that they're also involved in illicit dealings.

Just seeing a Nigerian on a phone means they're up to no-good in the minds of South Africans.

I am curious, which African nationals (excluding North Africans) have the best representation or outlook by South Africans in South Africa?

For instance, "Nigerians have the worst with Zimbabewans and Somalis coming second and third?"

Prazo1:
Which of Lee Kuan yew books

Third World to First World
The Singapore Story
One's Man View of the World

ednut1:
you live in new york when are you coming back The majority of Nigerian nurses who were earning 40k to 70k in Nigeria are enjoying their 25k pounds salary in UK. All this one you dey talk na story. There is nothing like brain drain here instead its brain gain. There are many unemployed people in Nigeria to replace those living.

I wager she is a second-generation Nigerian or a first generation that has checked out so deeply she does not understand the situation of the country. Such people are only Nigerian in the name, but not the experiences.

But na true you dey talk....earn 25K pounds, save up, potentially become a naturalised citizen or at best permanent resident and most importantly, experience life in a place where things work. Know that heaven can as well be on earth.

People like OP are those intellectwat miscreants who chant WeWazKings and pAn-aFrIcAnIsm while residing in the west for donkey years. Tell them to move to even Barbados, they will refuse.

fyzaila:
Lol...

I told her to pray and accept her fate since polygamy is permitted in their religion and culture

So, why is she bothered especially as she has starved him of sex?

It is like me being married to a Muslim lady and getting worried she would wear the hijab.

Nazgul:
You were jobless for 7 months without pay, you're currently at a very low period of your life cos you still don't have a dime on you, and rather than plan on how to improve your present situation, it's a girl whose sole purpose is to milk the little you don't have you're dying for.

Honestly, guys are the architects of their own problems

Hopefully many young Nigerian men know this quickly.

The story is either false or the OP is unemployed. How can out of 30 topics he has created, 29 are in the Romance section?

C'mon!

pansophist:
The opposite of friend-zone is sex-zone. Lots of girls that locked men in their friend zone Ironically may be chilling in the sex-zone of the man they want. Since women typically pursue the same kind of men, the price to pay is sharing (aka polygamy).

She is only aware of her attraction to him, not other girls in his rotational list. Many girls genuinely thinks they are his one and only, but to him, she is just one of many. She is in a polygamous relationship without signing up for one.

Just as men confuse female friendship with romance, these 'Alan Shearers" also confuse sex with commitment. For women, they assume that because you guys are having sex (or even kissed), that a relationship has begun. Meanwhile for the man, it's just another day.

This cold fact is what traditional societies understood, hence they want women to marry before having sex. Because the only time a woman is guaranteed of a man's commitment is under marriage, not relationship.

And the more she is having sex in every relationship she enters, the more she makes herself less desirable for the kind of men she really wants. Men are in competition with a woman's past, and for a good reason. Her past becomes the reference he will everly be compared with

The dirtier the past, the more bullshit he has to deal with in the relationship. She would be less satisfied sexually, materially, emotionally et, because other men before him have messed her up. Modern women call it sexual liberation, but I call it sexual degredation.

This is also why it's very hard for some women to grasp the fact that men can fork and go, with no feelings attached. Sex for men is physical, not emotional. This also explains prostitution.

But most importantly, a girl can not lock you in the friend zone without your acceptance. Cut yourself off, no one will care about you than yourself. So yea. If she is not reciprocating equally, or waiting on the first floor while you've walked to the 10th floor, leave her there and move on.

You are so good man. I for say I love you but errrm...

God bless the day I followed you.

pansophist:
Your vast knowledge lol.

You come off as someone that is heavily propagandized, like a photocopy of every CNN journalist, and with no independent mind. You write ideologically, and your stance can be summed up in one four words, ''west good, others evil''.

The day I see you write about the evils of western imperialism, be neutral in arguments, and write with an independent mind, then I can see you as knowledgeable. Until then, keep hallucinating.

And oh, nairaland is not known as a place that congregates vast numbers of intellectuals. Anyone that is fluent (not have sense, just fluent) can easily pass as intellectual here, but go to a place like Reddit, quora, then send a link to your handle, and let true intellectuals knock you off your high horse.

As the old saying, in the land of the blind, the on-eye man is the king. You de nairaland de form Bruce Lee

Quora is good, but when I knew about Reddit/geopolitics, na there I know say people dey wey sabi geopolitics. Although largely western leaning since Americans dominate it, but they write logically and deep posts. In return, they get well-thought-out replies. In fact, if person comments nonsense, they suspend the handle, and if it happens again, the handle is banned from the sub-reddit. So dude has to spend time there before claiming alpha and omega.

ednut1:
In my opinion only go to countries where you can easily get papers after studying. Many of these countries want your money and want you out. So travelling to countries with harsh immigration policies via study visa looks one kind

Ednut is right. To add;

- study how long it takes to become a naturalised Dutch or Austrian? Yes, you would have to learn the language, but would you be made to write an exam in the language before you become a naturalised citizen? Are the years of education included in the years it takes to become a citizen?

- study the country's politicians' narrative towards immigrants, especially black Africans (since it is Europe). Were the laws changed not long ago? To elongate the process or shorten it?

- opt for a course with enough employment opportunities such that discriminating against a black person becomes unrealistic. No go study Netherlands History just like one African American girl on Quora did by studying Japanese History and Literature. Only for her to complain say she could not get a job in the field. Course wey Chinese and South Koreans (upon how dem resemble) no dey study, na eim black WOMAN go study. The majority, if not all, of the foreigners who study the history of East Asian countries, are white men (white men have privileges above all other races and genders), and the majority come from wealthy families. Even in the west, na mostly children of the rich dey study history or History of Arts like Prince William's wife.

- have a Plan B. If nothing works out as planned, wetin you go do? How old are you? What is your immediate family's financial status like? Are you married? Do you plan to marry soon?

I had a few female acquaintances/friends who worked in the Big4 and finance industry. Trust me, unless you are financially above them, you won't be able to date or eventually marry them. They are intelligent, speak eloquently and are well-exposed. But biology will always biologicate - women marry up, and men marry down. It is the same everywhere. In East Asian societies, women will judge a man by where he works before thinking of dating him. The man is expected to earn a particular amount of money (usually more than they do) before marriage. It is part of life. He can befriend them platonically - they are exposed to business deals and have an invaluable network/contacts. Unless you are working in an industry where you are paid more than she does (oil and gas, senior software engineer earning in dollars, top medical consultant, investment banking) or own/run businesses whose revenues run into hundreds of millions of naira, better date a woman who you out-earn.

It is not your fault (nothing like your friend here. Na you be the friend ). It is just life being what it is.

_{I really thank God, my parents, myself and Lee Kuan Yew for the dose of pragmatism I have received/read over the years. It has made me to be very realistic and understand how the world works.}

Dirtyyansh:
This is his worry.
He's not doing badly currently on a salary of 250k before tax. He is 31 and the lady in question is 29.
According to him, they have been dating for over 6months, so last week he brought up the marriage conversation and the lady told him that she is not mentally ready for a marriage, that even at all,they are to get married, he need to change from his mini flat to bigger apartment and get a car.
Note : he stays in a mini-flat at an estate at Gbagada.

She is already out-earning BEFORE marriage, and works in a firm where if she ports to a managerial role outside the Big4, she will earn twice or almost thrice her current salary. Sorry, he cannot compete. He should try those working in HR firms or HR positions outside the finance industry. Generally, men date lower and vice-versa for women. Especially in the Nigerian context.

_{If na so Big4 be, I dey imagine how it is for the likes of the MBB}

ednut1:
I worked in a BIg 4for 5 years. There we’re married women working there. E no easy but it’s doable. After 3 2 to 3 years there you can easily get job in big 4 abroad or get mid manager or manager role in another company. The job exposes them to powerful men like Chief financial officer, finance manager and others. Many of the female managers in my unit were married to men working in shell, mobil, Oando and the likes. The ladies no rate us the guys because of this We also work some weekends too . Is your brother rich or had a good career trajectory If not she may dump his ass. So the relationship fit likely crash na long distance relationship better when dealing with a babe in big 4 hahahaha.

Women's hypergamy is displayed. Female colleagues not rating their male counterparts because of the kind of men they roll with.

No wonder you too no rate those women wey dey disturb you for IG.

faceLAGOS:
Naija career lady?

I pity your brother.

But na una talk say make Nigerian women dey earn their money. Now, they are doing so, una don dey complain.

Raalsalghul:
Financial responsibilities: having to perform consistently for about 20 years.

I've seen more people become poor in marriage than become rich.

That has to be a Nigerian phenomenon. Abroad, married people are wealthier/more solid middle class than single people. There are even tax advantages to being married than single. An issue might be divorce settlement, but there are more married people than divorced folks.

Raalsalghul:
What opportunities?

Gerrard59:
Additionally, sex is not free. The belief that it's free is entirely false. Sex is paid for in either kind (offering a job, contract or admission), cash (like opined on this thread) and commitment (marriage/engagement). However, in rare cases, handsome men get sex for free. This is the top 1% of Nigerian men as the vast majority of Nigerian men are ugly (myself inclusive). If you think getting a wife equates free sex, don't drop feeding money or money for her upkeep and beauty products.

In conclusion, the best way to derive benefit from the sex industry is to offer a service or products that patrons and players consume. This could be as a restaurant (my hypothesis says 50% of restaurants in Nigeria will shut down should men be faithful to their partners, ditto 75% of hotels for the same reason), lounges, intimacy gadgets, herbs for sex enhancement etc. Men will always demand for sex, you don't have to play as a patron but as an entrepreneur

Rather than people complaining about things, they should look towards making money off it. It is part of the reasons I applaud 9ja girls who charge Nigerian men hooge fees for sexual comfort. Rather than whine that Nigerian men cheat a lot, they charge these men hooge amounts for sexual intercourse. Complaining that men cheat won't stop them from cheating, so why not take advantage of their cheating behaviours to one's benefit?

Trybes:
Though the write up looks intelligent but sadly some balderdash.
Sex is not meant to be paid for but consensual. It's humans that have monetized sex, just take a look at the animals.

LOL! You mean the same animal kingdom where only the strongest/eldest male species gets to mate with all the female species? That kingdom? I have raised animals in the wild and observed the mating sessions - the female species gravitate towards the dominant male species, not all male species. Animals don't have money to pay, so why use them as an example? In the olden days, when brawn was rewarded, it was the strongest men who got the most beautiful women. Today where brain power is rewarded, it is the men who utilise this power to make money that are rewarded with flocks of women moving towards them.

Sex has never been free - it is either paid for in kind (job, contracts, gifts etc), cash (hookup) or commitment (marriage). Again, sex is not free.