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@diluminati

Don't wait your time, let them keep wallowing in their foolishness. While reading the post, I was expecting some intelligent link btw SLS and BH but I was disappointed. But then again what else do you expect from display of foolishness. Some ppl are hell bent on linking every single northern muslim to BH - annoyingly without any shred/atom of prove. They fail to ask the other halve of the question "will it be correct/fair to blame every single southern christian for the many kidnaps and killings of MEND et al -especially without prove?" Mind you I'm a southerner.

[size=18pt]Keep wallowing in your foolishness.  [/size] Very soon sum1 wil come and say okija is in SW

TRUTHTELA:
People, Jonathan asked Boko Haram to come out & tell the world their GRIEVANCES, in less than a week Sanusi, subtly dropped it " REVENUE SHARING FORMULA". Sanusi, wrote a certain letter ( I dnt knw if it's from him though), praising El-rufai & Ribadu's intelligence & how much they will forever remain his best freinds ( subtly telling the rest of Nigerians where his LOYALTY lies, fine, and I was not surprise, rather, I was surprise that millions of people could not read between the LINES. I stand to be corrected, I'M YET TO READ sanusi,el-rufai or RIBADU's condemenation of BOKO HARAM.

FYI, a certain Boko Haram guy escaped under the watch of his fellow muslim/northern bros. I believe that whatever Jonathan gets from SANUSI & RINGIM,he will get the worst from the present IG of police( Abubakar ).

Going by the Northerns support for Boko Haram ( BLOODSHED ),I'm now convinced that Islam is EVIL. Islam believes in BLOODSHED. Islam will always bring POVERTY to Northerners and Nigeria will never,ever make progress as long as they ( northerners/Islam) are part of the union.

They will come to the public to say " Islam preaches PEACE" and will tell their followers in SECRET how much ALLAH approves JIHAD. If you think otherwise, SAY IT!

9ja_I_hail:
that sanusi is a religion fanatics, his type does not suppose to occupy important post.i pray nigeria will not mistakenly vote him in as president of this nation one day.

[size=18pt]Keep wallowing in your foolishness.  [/size]

This is just a silent way of declarung state of emergency. It is however irresponsible for a gov. to declare state of emergency in an otherwise peaceful state while the same gov. told us we have to leave with terrorism for many weeks of killing and bombing in the north

I am looking forward to see the response from the SW governors in the face of this unprovoked (peaceful protests) aggressions.[s]Why am I so much tempted to say it serves Lagotians right?[/s]

I will not duel on this ethnic issue because it does not add value to my life. But I will make this short comment. What u should ask is were they supporting him to stay in office generally or this support as stated in the article is specifically over his fuel subsidy policy? I am not a fan OBJ or even OPC (just like I call for total wiping out of all militia groups in Naija) even though I am a complete Yoruba man. N.Deltans are completely free to support gej to stay in office, generally, but should they do so even when their son comes up with anti-people policy. If in the remote parts of the country where you never get fuel at #65 what makes them think they will not get the commodity at #200 or more because of this anti people policy yet they still support him (although the likes of asari can afford #500/liter)

I just hope they hurry up b4 my inverter runs down - No electricity.

According to Channels tv, the meeting ended some minutes ago, but nobody knows if the broadcast will still be made

paragonpro:
Rumours have it that Jonathan is about to go tough on protesters, labour and their leaders. We about to enter a new phase in the conflict.

I hope its just a rumor. Otherwise, the end is near

Kobojunkie:
@Poster, what time? I want to try to tune in [size=16pt]. . .maybe with ear plugs on.[/size]

I have a feeling the speech has been made and its undergoing editing. Give them some time. They'll put it on air when they are tru with the editing

Nchara:
Lie!!!
Fuel here is 2.9 USD in the cheapest places and up to 4.0 USD in expensive places
141 Naira (cost of fuel after subsidy removal) is less than 1.0 USD.

The only correct argument you make is in terms of salaries and even that is a bad comparison to make (USA versus Nigeria).

Correct me if I'm wrong, you guys in the U.S measure in gallons while we measure in liters. There are about 3.5 liters in 1 gallon. Hence, equivalent gallon price will be 141x3.5 = N493.5 ($3.08 @ 160/$)

Nchara:
As to your question, there are 101 things to do (electricity, education, security, health, etc). I believe refineries should be fixed and new ones built. That takes time and besides, oil money including subsidy money, should be used to fix oil-related problems without disrupting other aspects of societal needs (as listed). I agree that January 1 was a bit untidy. Anywhere between April and June is fine with me.

The subsidy itself has been turned into fraud by Otedola, Tinubu and the rest of the oil cabals. It should go.

The fact is gej has not done anything differently for obj and other administration. It doesn't have to be refinery that should come first. You admit that there are 101 things to be done. What I'm saying is let them put some of these things on the ground (I'm not talking about 1600 buses). Then people will see the genuineness of gej - TIME CAN'T BE A PROBLEM FOR GOD'S SAKE HE HAS OVER THREE YRS. Anything other than is a scam. Nuf said

Nchara:
As with Science, sentiments have no place in Economics (except where subsidy is involved )

You can apply sentiments in Law, Literature and History

''Who will pay for the subsidy? Your children'' ------------Sanusi

Is this what you call sentiment?

gists:
Besides, this administration is less than a year, that means it has over three yrs more to gain peoples' trust.

This is not sentiment but fact. I asked a question which you want to stylishly avoid. Read again the bolded.

gists:
Why is it difficult to implement some of the so called programme now, like making the refineries work, provide reliable electricity, tighten the executive and legistlatures' belts, then come and ask us to pay more for fuel so that the gov can provide road, gud health care etc. People will be willing to pay even more than 141 if this is done. Why do we have to pay more now in anticipation of ALL these promises? Afterall, the same SLS (who is one of the few gov officials I respect) have said the gov can continue to pay the subsidy for a few more yrs.

Except of course the intent is to embezzle the proceeds 

The point is not the fact but the intent - technocrats like SLS and NOI focus on facts and neglect political implications of their policies. Besides, this administration is less than a year, that means it has over three yrs more to gain peoples' trust. Why is it difficult to implement some of the so called programme now, like making the refineries work, provide reliable electricity, tighten the executive and legistlatures' belts, then come and ask us to pay more for fuel so that the gov can provide road, gud health care etc. People will be willing to pay even more than 141 if this is done. Why do we have to pay more now in anticipation of ALL these promises? Afterall, the same SLS (who is one of the few gov officials I respect) have said the gov can continue to pay the subsidy for a few more yrs.

We have a golden opportunity now to demand for change in the "business-as-ussual" approach to gov. This has grown well above just return to N65/liter. We need to pressurize the gov to pass the PIB, tackle corruption, security, wastage, electricity and a host of other vices that begs for immediate attension. I fully support the return to N65/l price pending when these will done. But in the interim, we should continue to occupy the streets until we get concrete signs that corruption is being tackeled. IMHO, a good measure of headway is the immunity clause - it should go for a start.

SLS is one of the few gov officials that I respect. However, I (and I believe many Nigerians) do not need to be convinced that fuel subsidy removal is in the best interest of Nigeria after seeing SLS debate in the townhall meeting. Having said that, I will like to ask a simple question. IF THE GOV. IS SINCERE, WHY THE RUSH?? GEJ administration is less than a year. There is still over 3yrs for this administration. There is plenty of time for this gov to gain peoples' TRUST. What is wrong in passing the PIB, make the refineries work, provide electricity and prosecute the cabals and other corruption goons, reduce wastage in the executive and legistlative expenditures then come back and tell us to tighten our belt so that you can provide roads, good health, etc. You can't tell me to tighten my belt while you loose your and tell me its for the sake of the country. Let the gov. put on ground some of the things they say they'll use the money from the removal to implement, make their own sacrifices (not the laughable 25% basic salary reduction), then come back and ask us to make ours.

I don't care if someone has 10 cars thus enjoying N800/liter while I have only one car (just N80/liter). So you expect me to thank you for removing my N80 benefit just because you want to stop another person from getting N800. In my opinion, that is called Pull Him Down P.H.D. Similarly, I don't think the man that don't have a car but can take okada at say N50 will thank you if it nows costs him N80 to get to the same destination just because you want to stop the guy getting N800. Particularly if this will make the poor to make a choice between his child's education vs his own's health. I know how many of my extended family's members I have subsidized their child's school fees after they themselves have cut corners with their health.  We have not seen anything on the ground at the moment to give them succor (I'm not talking about 1600 buses. I mean electricity, good healthcare system, well equipped schools etc) but just promises - just promises like in the past but which were not kept.

Let the gov. put on ground some of the things they say they'll use the money from the removal to implement, make their own sacrifices (not the laughable 25% basic salary reduction), then come back and ask us to make ours.  .

@Op, First of all, I don't think you are entirely correct. I know Mr. Olisa Agbakoba is an Igbo man and he is not in support of GEJ anti-people policy. Recently, I read of some high profile people protesting against the removal in Enugu http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/subsidy-removal-catholic-priests-lawyers-others-join-protest-in-enugu/. Having said that I also bliv they (Igbos) have the right (to or) not to defend their people. It their business. Most (definitely not all) Igbos think this is about ethnicity - protecting our son even if he is killing the future of unborn generations. They think by joining in the protest, they are being used by yorubas to fight for yoruba beneficiaries of oil subsidy i.e yoruba oil subsidy cabals. So now you can understand why someone said they will not go out and do your dirty bidding. or you people want awuf oil. They are determined to defend their son Ebele Azikiwe no matter the number of times he keeps mute on the Igbos being killed in the north or the kind of poverty breeding policy he formulates.

because I know how much I have spent of renewable energy for my home, I pray and hope this sees the light of the day because it will be to Nigerians benefit. But as of this moment, there is absolutely nothing different this from what we have heard/read b4 - propaganda.

Normally, I would have asked for the source of this info. But the current security state of the nation, one need to assume this kinds of rumors are real/true until proven otherwise.

It is completely wrong for any ethnic group or religion in the country to terrorize another. I bliv the gov should be more responsible and tackle this menace once and for all just like its bent on removing subsidy once and for all. In any case, Igbo or xtains don't have to be the victims b4 you ask us to condemn the terrorist acts. I personally don't bliv in condemning terrorists anyway simply because they are not even listening to you. Its just a waist of time. We should hold the gov. by the balls to roll up its sleeves and bring these guys to book. But of course your dear gej is been hampered by some cabals that is why he can't do anything even though he is the CnC and they even asked him to tell us that we have to leave with it while people die.

This Judas/Rehoboam of a president called GEJ has not been selling Nigerians' blood out to boko haram. He has not been able to resolve boko haram menace for many months yet holding emergency meetings upon meetings on how to persuade NLC/TUC not to go on strike. Does this not confirm that he and his fellow theives are more interested in the money they stand to make from the subsidy removal than providing security for the nation? Anyway no surprises as he already told us terrorism is what we have to leave with.

Remii:
but why would GEJ start a second war when he has not been able to win an ongoing one? BH guys killing innocent souls and now the whole populace protesting fuel price hike. Even world super powers don't do that.

There are just two possibilities; either the man is super dumb as wanting to fight these two serious wars simultaneously, or he knows its his people (PDP) that are behind BH after-all, he said they're on top of the situation yet no tangible arrests or any meaningful progress what-so-ever.

DaLover:
hey, my point is not on fasholas political future but on the fact that there simply is no free meal any where, somebody somewhere pays the price, what is the price we pay for government running the down stream sector,
Big govt = big corruption,
small govt = small corruption
how do u achieve small govt, govt gets of of peoples way, allow free enterprise and market forces to prevail, govt concentrates on policy and regulation, external affairs, and a few others,

Govt is big when they run your down stream, upstream, schools, hospitals, railways, roads, why is this logic so damn difficult to understand, o i remember, the non tribalistic marketers from the SW must be instigating you to feel govt has to supply you your pms cheaply or die in droves,

For the last time what i am saying is that, the penduleun has swung the way of labour and the opposition now, what are they to do with it now, fight for free fuel or hold govt by the balls on reducing cost of governance

if it is to fight for cheap fuel which is not my birth right, count us ss out, you are with you marketers over there in lagos, please fight your own fight, if that is being a tribalist, then thank you very much

How do you hope to get instant result on the bolded without gov. telling you "we'll look into it" or "work is already in progress on that" Most of us subscribe to the sequence as listed in the pic alj hareem posted

frosbel:
For Sanusi to support the subsidy removal , the government might have a point  

Yes of course the government does have a point. The problem is not the subsidy removal but where the proceeds will end i.e the problem is the intent and credibility. This is a government that has depleted the reserve without anything to show for it. They leave extravagant and wasteful life, yet asking us to tighten oir belt while they loose theirs. The NASS self is another hole that is draining the nation. The problem is credibility and trust. The Nigerian especially gej gov has never been known to use public funds for infrastuctural development but to divert to private accounts.

i am not a fan of madam Ngozi, but it is very silly to conclude she lied. We all know the QoS is terrible from all of our network providers. Let the sahara reporter tell us if he has not experience the same in Nigeria. This is just very silly

ogbeche77:
By JEAN HERSKOVITS
Published: January 02, 2012

GOVERNMENTS and newspapers around the world attributed the horrific Christmas Day bombings of churches in Nigeria to "Boko Haram" - a shadowy group that is routinely described as an extremist Islamist organization based in the northeast corner of Nigeria. Indeed, since the May inauguration of President Goodluck Jonathan, a Christian from the Niger Delta in the country's south, Boko Haram has been blamed for virtually every outbreak of violence in Nigeria. But the news media and American policy makers are chasing an elusive and ill-defined threat; there is no proof that a well-organized, ideologically coherent terrorist group called Boko Haram even exists today. Evidence suggests instead that, while the original core of the group remains active, criminal gangs have adopted the name Boko Haram to claim responsibility for attacks when it suits them.

The United States must not be drawn into a Nigerian "war on terror" - rhetorical or real - that would make us appear biased toward a Christian president. Getting involved in an escalating sectarian conflict that threatens the country's unity could turn Nigerian Muslims against America without addressing any of the underlying problems that are fueling instability and sectarian strife in Nigeria.

Since August, when Gen. Carter F. Ham, the commander of the United States Africa Command, warned that Boko Haram had links to Al Qaeda affiliates, the perceived threat has grown. Shortly after General Ham's warning, the United Nations' headquarters in Abuja was bombed, and simplistic explanations blaming Boko Haram for Nigeria's mounting security crisis became routine. Someone who claims to be a spokesman for Boko Haram - with a name no one recognizes and whom no one has been able to identify or meet with - has issued threats and statements claiming responsibility for attacks. Remarkably, the Nigerian government and the international news media have simply accepted what he says. In late November, a subcommittee of the House Committee on Homeland Security issued a report with the provocative title: "Boko Haram: Emerging Threat to the U.S. Homeland." The report makes no such case, but nevertheless proposes that the organization be added to America's list of foreign terrorist organizations. The State Department's Africa bureau disagrees, but pressure from Congress and several government agencies is mounting.

Boko Haram began in 2002 as a peaceful Islamic splinter group. Then politicians began exploiting it for electoral purposes. But it was not until 2009 that Boko Haram turned to violence, especially after its leader, a young Muslim cleric named Mohammed Yusuf, was killed while in police custody. Video footage of Mr. Yusuf's interrogation soon went viral, but no one was tried and punished for the crime. Seeking revenge, Boko Haram targeted the police, the military and local politicians - all of them Muslims.

It was clear in 2009, as it is now, that the root cause of violence and anger in both the north and south of Nigeria is endemic poverty and hopelessness. Influential Nigerians from Maiduguri, where Boko Haram is centered, pleaded with Mr. Jonathan's government in June and July not to respond to Boko Haram with force alone. Likewise, the American ambassador, Terence P. McCulley, has emphasized, both privately and publicly, that the government must address socio-economic deprivation, which is most severe in the north. No one seems to be listening. Instead, approximately 25 percent of Nigeria's budget for 2012 is allocaated for security, even though the military and police routinely respond to attacks with indiscriminate force and killing. Indeed, according to many Nigerians I've talked to from the northeast, the army is more feared than Boko Haram.

Meanwhile, Boko Haram has evolved into a franchise that includes criminal groups claiming its identity. Revealingly, Nigeria's State Security Services issued a statement on Nov. 30, identifying members of four "criminal syndicates" that send threatening text messages in the name of Boko Haram. Southern Nigerians - not northern Muslims - ran three of these four syndicates, including the one that led the American Embassy and other foreign missions to issue warnings that emptied Abuja's high- end hotels. And last week, the security services arrested a Christian southerner wearing northern Muslim garb as he set fire to a church in the Niger Delta.

In Nigeria, religious terrorism is not always what it seems. None of this excuses Boko Haram's killing of innocents. But it does raise questions about a rush to judgment that obscures Nigeria's complex reality. Many Nigerians already believe that the United States unconditionally supports Mr. Jonathan's government, despite its failings. They believe this because Washington praised the April elections that international observers found credible, but that many Nigerians, especially in the north, did not. Likewise, Washington's financial support for Nigeria's security forces, despite their documented human rights abuses, further inflames Muslim Nigerians in the north. Mr. Jonathan's recent actions have not helped matters. He told Nigerians last week, "The issue of bombing is one of the burdens we must live with."

On New Year's Eve, he declared a state of emergency in parts of four northern states, leading to increased military activity there. And on New Year's Day, he removed a subsidy on petroleum products, more than doubling the price of fuel. In a country where 90 percent of the population lives on $2 or less a day, anger is rising nationwide as the costs of transport and food increase dramatically.

Since Nigeria's return to civilian rule in 1999, many politicians have used ethnic and regional differences and, most disastrously, religion for their own purposes. Northern Muslims - indeed, all Nigerians - are desperate for a government that responds to their most basic needs: personal security and hope for improvement in their lives. They are outraged over government policies and expenditures that undermine both. The United States should not allow itself to be drawn into this quicksand by focusing on Boko Haram alone. Washington is already seen by many northern Muslims - including a large number of longtime admirers of America - as biased toward a Christian president from the south. The United States must work to avoid a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes us into their enemy. Placing Boko Haram on the foreign terrorist list would cement such views and make more Nigerians fear and distrust America. Jean Herskovits, a professor of history at the State University of New York, Purchase, has written on Nigerian politics since 1970.

Thank God this is coming from a "neutral person". If an American can so sincerely, I am ashamed of my fellow compatriots that allowed ethnicity and religious bigotry to cloud their sense of reasoning. However, B4 I make further comments, OP, kindly provide the source.

Yet again, our gov have called us f00ls. How else do you explain the fact that the subsidy was supposed to be removed on April f00ls day only to be yanked off as new year gift. Is he not saying we f00ls to bliv the April 1st date.

nex:
I see a lot of Nigerians do not want to think far. No wonder they have a very befitting President.

Let me start by addressing the last poster first. You have just laid waste to your career as a webmaster by your wrong judgment and breakdown of information. In my own post, I was asking also, why this page was hurriedly set up at this point in time. So If I created the website, am I also paying for the ADs on Facebook? And if I created the website, how then am I using it to post comments o Atiku's official page on Facebook? Yeah, Mr. Webmaster, tell me, or get off this thread!

For those of you who asked why I was wondering about the shyness of Boko Haram from the most Western Educational institute in Nigeria, maybe you should ask yourself a question too. When MEND was still very actively fighting over their oil resources, if they had gone ahead to be bombing all Commercial Banks in the Niger-Delta, wouldn't you have asked yourself why hey are avoiding Royal Dutch Shell? Come on, take off your blinders and think like human beings, or never again complain about your President's thinking capacity.

1. Boko Haram is PRIMARILY AGAINST WESTERN EDUCATION.
2. Boko Haram has bombed Churches, Markets, Police Headquarters, the UN Building, but the most extreme institution of Western Education which is i their noses, they ignore.
3. Why is Atiku starting this his "ATIKU FOR NIGERIA CAMPAIGN"? Is 2012 an election year?
4. Who made this statement at this period last year? “, Let me again send another message to the leadership of our great country, especially the political leadership that those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable, ”


So if you think these are mere coincidences, well, dust them off and move on to the next thread, but don't post what you don't know!

Can you read what you posted? YOu failed to identify any educational institution in your list. So why is sparing Atiku's school a big deal? As far as I am concerned BH is more political than religious. They have not targeted any educational establishment. So because the school is owned by Atiku and it is spared that means Atiku must be a sponsor even though no other school has been targeted.

nex:
When MEND was still very actively fighting over their oil resources, if they had gone ahead to be bombing all Commercial Banks in the Niger-Delta, wouldn't you have asked yourself why hey are avoiding Royal Dutch Shell?

You comparing Shell and commercial banks should get the award of the new year joke
Mind you MEND did attacked shell and no commercial bank was attacked - I stand to be corrected though.

I hate to use this kinds of words but you leave me with no choice: Ignoramus, where is the religious intolerance is this story?

Nchara:
Is this a roundabout way of admitting to the issue in question?

I am not trying to confirm or deny anything. I (and nobody) have absolutely nothing to gain or lose be it true or false. I'm only asking a very basic question - if its true, SO DAMN WHAT?