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what the complete verse says is immaterial,you know as well as i do that i only need to google it online and it ll give me the complete verse, the most important point are the exergencies and salient issues raised by the particular verse, which mohammad acknowledged as well by nullifying and then expunging it from the quran true or false??

i have decided ill leave the defending of christianity to others,what i want to concentrate on is an indepht,analytical,academic and totally objective breakdown of the fraud called islam, i have seen through the lot of you that you r hiding under the attack of christianity to side step the fraudulent lies in the quran staring you in the face

uplawal:
Davidlyan,if you wanna see your grand children becareful,about ISLAM being protected,yes its been before u were born and it will everly be protected till judegement day,but that does not mean you should run your mouth like water,anything can happen,BEWARE,and if you think JESUSBLOOD will save you, o, you get it wrong,it wont and u will blame yourself for causing your own death in HELLFIRE

i am beginning to admire you o,unlike these other cowards who wouldnt show their true colours, but remember that there is no reward for you in paradise o,so if you like blow yourself up 1 million times, only olabowale,abuzola and the muslim men will have a reward of 70 fresh "oshara"tear rubber virgins unless you do a sex change that is lol like olabowale told all of us earlier in the other thread,the consolatio is that you women will be their mothers and you know what mothers do, sit down in a corner,cooking washing and taking care of their children this religion is hillarious

Abuzola:
How jesus was lifted is in the Quran, So stop being naive. Jesus a messiah of Israel and coming to defeat the enemy in near the last day.

you r still claiming jesus by force, look take a candid advice,why dont you come to our side where the light is,and that jesus you like soo much will even dance in heaven because of your salvation,then you can mention his name and do great works in his name
you wont be the first dont worry,the programme i went to over the weekend,the guest minister was from a prominent muslim family in lagos island and now an annointed evangelist

uplawal:
Davidlyan,if you wanna see your grand children becareful,about ISLAM being protected,yes its been before u were born and it will everly be protected till judegement day,but that does not mean you should run your mouth like water,anything can happen,BEWARE,and if you think JESUSBLOOD will save you, o, you get it wrong,it wont and u will blame yourself for causing your own death in HELLFIRE

why dont you allow your spineless and fraudulent, criminal tendencies prone mohammad to defend himself??

have you seen any christian fighting for GOD?a true and living GOD will fight for himself shows you r not serving a living GOD,hence you have to balance the inadequacies by your own mortal powers

exactly my point in the other thread, when mohammad was starting out,and he needed the meccans to support his ministry,he supported the doctrines of the pagan worshippers hence the satanic verses(why dont you do some reading,)it was later that he nullified and removed the particular verse from the quran,dubbing it the satanic verses or do you think i gave it the name?lol

Abuzola:
How jesus was lifted is in the Quran, So stop being naive. Jesus a messiah of Israel and coming to defeat the enemy in near the last day.

go and do some reading yourself,books dont kill!!ill give you some reading guidance to base your research on,namely "the satanic verses", exactly the same one the fatwah was proclaimed on rushdie for

Abuzola:
@godson: The pagan arab believe god has daughter just like the orunmilas or the ifa worshippers believe their shit on God,

besides the point,did mohammad uphold the worship of pagan godess or notsimple and delicate!!

i v got more than enough but i cant be bothered this night,tmorrow is monday and i need to be mentally prepared for the new week

Abuzola:
Go and do your google search and bring just 3 contradiction and see if you won't be whpe off your ignorance

dont worry,we get our sources from everywhere my first contradiction from the quran is taken from  the book"an introduction to islam"by  frederick mathew denny page 53

check your quran in 53;19-23
have you considered el lat,el uzza and manat the third the other,what have you males and he females?that were indeed an unjust division.they are naught but names yourselves have named and your fathers;GOD has sent down no authority touching them.

as you can see mohammad is justifying them,these verses so called the satanic verses were later removed when he realised how contradictory it was lol lol

Abuzola:
@godson, you are beginning to sound whacky, Allah never and will never have a daughter nor children.

@bobby, jesus was afraid of dying. See luke 22:42 so stop lying

that means you have not been reading your quran and hadiths sire, allah meaning supreme being is considered by the arabians to be the god of creation,in addition they believe he had three daughters which pre islamic arabia worshipped and the idols amongst others kept in the kaaba,now mohammad in the quran supported the triune gods and if you have no knowledge of that,then you need to go and meet the likes of olabowale to tutor you,or go and check my posts on this forum where i have posted the verses,i cant be conducting your own research for you

Abuzola:
Godson, i will be glad if you can point to me one contradiction in the Quran.



@david, jesus is a muslim so shut up , he is coming back and we will see.

CHRISTIAN TOO STEAL THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE JEWS AND EDITTED IT LYING THAT JESUS PROPHESIED TO BE CRUCIFIED WHICH IS ABSENT IN THE JEWISH BOOK

are you serious at the bolded or you r just yanking my chain??lol lol how many do you need.

we know jesus is coming back,you lifted that from us,is mohammad coming back?

all i know is that im scared and afraid for the generations to come,if mohammad and his followers could lay claim to being a bonafide prophet and religion,then i wont be suprised if 200 years later guru maharaji's followers turn around and say he was known as the greatest prophet, GOD help us

@bobbyaf
dont let him put you in the defensive,its their means tested ways of diverting attention from their fraudulent hustler of a guru maharaji look alike

did mohammad not change as well?lol
remember when he spoke in support of the 3pagan godess daughters of allah?

and then later hurriedly did an about turn

remember when he was ingratiating himself to the jews?even praying in the direction of jerusalem

when he had finished using them for his means,he suddenly realised their doctrines which he has been exposed to from birth,up untill his twenties/thirties was defective,and he blantantly betrayed them.

did he not change from a normal guy to a bloodthirsty renegade?

davidylan:
which is funny because we dont see any trace of this "true Jesus of God" anywhere in the quran save for a few haphazard claims by people who never met him.

funny because the main source of the words of this "true Jesus of God" comes from the bible that muslims reject.

Funny because this "true Jesus of God" is called the Messiah and "word of God" in the quran . . . words that have NO MEANING in islam.

Isnt it funny this same person says he hates lies.

you shouldnt even be suprised by now ,judging by the many contradictions, at least you have addressedthe contradiction he pointed out within a day, they have had years to tell us why mohammad has soo much controversies surrounding him,yet we r yet to get any reasonable answer

alhaji could you tell me why you muslims look miserable and sort of angry anytime you r worshipping your own god?seeing as you r used to plagiarising from us, our origins in the bible,our doctrines,you even followed redeemed and pastor adeboye to redemption camp lol
i learnt just last month that muslims are now doing open air revival in their camp along lag ibadan expressway lol lol got me guffawing

i think you should learn from us i.e the way we sing and dance and worship GOD

Bobbyaf:
So why is it that Muslims are free to be Muslims in Christian countries and the reverse isn't tolerated in Muslim countries?

Its obvious that the text under quote has been misunderstood by you, because deep down you know what Jesus was trying to say.

Incidentally the word hate is a strong word in that verse, but when one is faced with a decision betteen Jesus and family, one has to choose Jesus. In essence that will cause hatred in any family.

I am sure Muslims who have accepted Jesus have been treated with hate.

the whole foundation of islam according to their prophet on a muslim's relation towards other faiths,is that of crass and uncompromising hatred, i have already posted several quranic injunctions towards that effect

maedan:
@Kaki P
Sure u did .

@ GODSON2009
who is more of the bereaved than each and every NIGERIAN

first you tell me what stake you or any nigerian or african for that matter has in how the whole thing ends one way or another, so go figure!!

i bet each time the bible comes up with an answer to everything,it burns you up with anger right?lol lol
dont hate,appreciate lol lol

Abuzola:
Why would god kill his son for snners, innocent son. The son even cried for such neglience mathew 27:46. What a wicked god is the christian god

that is exactly where we differ you see, our own GOD the alpha and the omega,the beginning and the end the locator,the provider jehovah el shadai,jehova jireh,the rose of sharon who formed us in his own image and who unconditionally loves us, wanted to redeem us from sin,to give us an opportunity to cleanse ourselves from the first sin from adam and eve and all the other sins.

he looked around for a worthy sacrifice and he could find none worthy enough or holy and blameless and sinless enough but his son jesus christ,
to redeem us his lovely creatures,whom he loved more than anything you can think of remember he created us in his own image to shopw how much he loved and cherished his creation.
the only people who did the same thing are two different people and they got the reward

1.abraham-which is why he is called THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, because abraham did something no human could do but GOD.

2.the king of the moabites when he was attacked by the israelites,he offered up his first born son,heir apparent to the throne, even though it wasnt GOD's will as the king was not of GOD,the lord had to cause the israelites to suddenly turn back in confusion and go back home

Abuzola:
'surely, those who believe and those who are jews and sabians and the christians, whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve'
Quran 5;69

oh i see,thats very nice,what about the unbelievers tho?lol lol

isnt the bible lovely, no wonder no book has ever been able to replace it as the most inspiring even up untill today

1.the bible is arranged chronologically and in order

the quran is arranged hapazardly with a lot of contradictions.

2.the bible especially the new testament is consistent in its message of love towards everybody,especially unbelievers, the bible says the heavens rejoice over one single sinner who repents hence the parable of the prodigal son.

the quran is unequivocal in its total condemnation of anyone who is not muslim,and mohammad doesnt mince words all through the quran that they shall be tortured and killed both on earth and in heaven.

[/b]alhaji abuzola what were you saying again?[b]

IN THE BIBLE

1st corinthians 13;1-8 says

If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


LETS EXAMINE THE ISLAMIC RELIGION AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT UNBELIEVERS WHICH INCLUDES CHRISTIANS,JEWS,ATHEISTS AND ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT ISNT ISLAM,

in q66.9
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
also in 8;60
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know

THE FAMOUS VERSE WHERE MOHAMMAD AND HIS ALLAH TELLS THE MUSLIMS TO BEHEAD UNBELIEVERS AND CUT OFF THEIR FINGERTIPS
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

8;12-13

mohammad said in the quran

But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. q22;19-22

the bible says,

Matthew 11:28 (New International Version)

28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

in q10;100
No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

rather than mohammed's allah calling unbelievers unto himself like the bible enjoins us to do,he will rather place doubts in their hearts

enuff already abeg,lets face our own problems in africa and stop crying more than the bereaved!!

Abuzola:
Yeah this is another fact, how on earth can a god be a carpental, you people are totally lost. How can god be slapped, bdaten and spat mathew 26:67 hun ? He even cried on the cross for neglience. Paul has greatly deceived you


@gonson who told you Prophet muhammad mum saw vision, enough with your pragmatic lies, the christian god that died with criminal on the cross of calvary has deeply affected you

thank GOD you agreed he died on the cross the holy spirit is slowly arresting you, its only a matter of time when you will be preaching to olabowale and the others to be born again,which is more than mohammad ever did in his lifetime.

well,if you are contradicting the account of your prophet mohammad,s mother aminat s narration of the events and what a supposed angel told her about the child she is carrying,then i re iterate again that the holy ghost is arresting you,because it shows you are starting to realise the lies and fraud contained in the islamic texts, so i ask you again are the accounts true or false?lol

Deep Sight:
Although i regard Abuzola as mentally unbalanced, you christian folk actually make him look like Einstein sometimes. Imagine Noetic calling a 1st Century Jewish Carpenter God?

Why don't you also accept the claims of Olumba Olumba Obu and Sat Guru Maharaji to be God? ? ?

and you r sure you r not one of the muslim mujahideens in disguise, which i think you are, the reason you r denying your religion to attack christianity is simply so that you wont have to answer the weighty allegations against your prophet and islamic religion,while you hide under the cloak of atheism, you are either a christian,muslim or atheist and a true and tested atheist will be objective enough to raise all the questions and concerns he/she has against every religion,by your words you are not a christian leaving us with only one single option, you are muslim,wouldnt be suprised if its olabowale hiding under another screenie,not the first

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=325619.msg4578654#msg4578654 date=1253433627]he was so hot all the women of arabia wanted him

4828. It is related that Thabit al-Bunani said, "I was with Anas while his daughter was with him. Anas said, 'A woman came to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and offered herself to him and said, "Messenger of Allah, do you have any need of me?"' :oAnas' daughter said, 'How immodest she was! Shame! Shame!' He said, 'She was better than you. She liked the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and offered herself to him.'" [/quote]i strongly beg to differ,hitler too had the very same experience with women achieving climax at the sound of his voice

Abuzola:
Really ? I am also God's son according to the Hebrew language regarding to as servant. This is what you fail to understand. Was it God that impregnated mary or was it God that impregnated your mother that you are his son. The word son is the phrase used for peacemaker

im sure mohammad was convinced, hence the reason his mother joined in his 419 scheme with a big fat lie that she also saw visions during the pregnancy of mohammad lol lol ;Dwith mohammad's lazyness and personality im sure if that really happened and it wasnt a lie he later cooked up to counter mary's encounter with the angel,he will just sit down in a room,and get people to contribute money for him to eat, you ll notice as soon as he had the means and opportunity he stopped doing any legitimate job lol and gathered jobless millitants to help in his criminal enterprise, jesus christ was walking with his bare feet,and all the 12 disciples were gainfully employed before joining his ministry

Abuzola:
Christianity my foot. The excuse they always present is faith. How can a corrupt bible with hundreds of contradiction be accurate. John 5:30 jesus confessed to be a slave of God. Wataguan lama

the day you leave christianity alone and stop tagging along being an irritating parasite your religion will either stand on its own independent two feet and grow stronger and more credible,or it will fall to pieces like a house built with a pack of cards, so i understand the reason why you really cant leave us,our doctrines and beliefs alone,cause that would mean an instant implosion and explosion for islam lol

lol we v been asking them to clarify the reasons why their prophet mohammad has been a source of soo much controversies,instead of olabowale and his crew to answer they have being prevaricating and pushing us to the defensive, a guise to cover the truth

@vanitty let me help you out on olabowale's question,pl;s oblige me lol

olabowale olabowale olabowale, how many time do you want to ask this same thingproof that your prophet was a paedophile,and frankly should have been committed

muslim8;3309 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him


bukhari 58;234

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age

to cement his cruel deception of an innocent 9 years old, the paedophile that should be locked up in an underground cell,used god to lie to the innocent child
58;235(bukhari)Narrated 'Aisha:

That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done

im sure noetic is perfectly capable of defending his comments,however left to me i have always believed and i still believe that a large part of religion has to do with an individual's faith and inner convictions,what a pastor or an imam for that matter can do is to feed you with the word,the rest is left to the individual,so irrespective of what you believe that will not stop or hinder my salvation one bit.

if you go through the bible, free will plays a major part in every single law/commandment,obedience e.t.c  GOD told adam and eve not to touch a particular tree out of the garden of eden,and the devil tempted them and deceived them into eating of the fruit,for whatever reason he might have believed that in exercising their free will,they will hearken unto his word and keep away from the tree,especially when you consider their closeness,the bible said GOD strolled with adam and eve gisting as friends or families do, unless you are saying the devil is not real.well look around you and see if the devil is not perpetuating the same thing in all facets of the modern world

that free will is still part of us to this day, look at the account of job and what he went through?read that story in the bible
same as jesus himself hwile he was fasting and praying for 40 days and 40 nights his free will was tested
same as all the prophets,their free will was also tested, some failed and some suceeded


GOD was not tainted by sin,but jesus christ came to wipe away all our sins,same way as you will get wet wipe to clean off the sweat off your face,you wont use a dirty sponge you picked from the bin/gutter to wash yourself will you??you ll use something clean to wipe off dirt