₦airaland Forum

@olabowale
how many examples do you need in your quran and hadiths to show your mohammad wasnt only without honour or any moral standing(he broke the truce in a holy month,he disinherited his widows,he was lazy,he was a glutton)he also did not forgive,i have given you numerous examples e.g he had children killed,he had 2 young girls killed i could go on and on, you r bringing up some random instances of his being forgiving,which we r not even sure is true,considering the many contradictions.

your mohammad was never in the league of george bush,abeg stop flattering him,the high point of his criminal career was heading mecca and the combined population was at most a hundred thousand or considerably less he was just a bully and a thug who should have been given an asbo if not for the uncle that was protecting and indulging him

@deepsight
anything prophecised is the will of GOD,be it good or bad, unless according to islamic doctrines satan is much mightier and more powerful than your own allah.
in my own bible isaiah 45;7 says, I form the light and create darkness,
      I bring prosperity and create disaster;
      I, the LORD, do all these things

the bible continues in subsequent verses of the same isaiah 45

Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker,
      to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground.
      Does the clay say to the potter,
      'What are you making?'
      Does your work say,
      'He has no hands'?

10 Woe to him who says to his father,
      'What have you begotten?'
      or to his mother,
      'What have you brought to birth?'

11 "This is what the LORD says—
      the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
      Concerning things to come,
      do you question me about my children,
      or give me orders about the work of my hands?


like noetic took the pains to highlight,if you have taken the time to read his retorts, it is written that cursed be  the individual that betrayed jesus,which judas did,so its immaterial really if judas did, or any other person unless you have something tangible you r trying to bring out from that.

1.it is possible for jesus who is perfect to be tainted by sin,if you check the exigencies of his mission on earth
2.AGAIN go and read all the numerous posts both noetic,davidlylan and others have put foward to break this down in the minutest details, its no one's fault if you have decided to ignore them.

ill use olabowale,and your muslim brother's well worn way this time,
you say the idea of christianity and its doctrines are ludicrous, i put it to you that mohammad is a total fraud,who plagiarised the bible and christian doctrines,in addittion ill ask you just one question of my own to counter your many questions

WHY IS MOHAMMAD,A SUPPOSED PIOUS AND HOLY PROPHET ENMESHED AND SURROUNDED BY SOOOO MUCH CONTROVERSIES,LIKE I ASKED OLABOWALE AND THE OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT BEING A BLE TO GIVE ME A SATISFACTORY ANSWER ,SURELY A MAN WHO WAS AN ARMED ROBBER,PAEDOPHILE,SEXUAL HEDONIST,PSYCHOTIC BE A MORAL COMPASS?

i await your prompt response thanks in advance

you took the words right out of my mouth

noetic2:
do u know how ridiculous your trinity ignorance on trinity sounds? drop it. . . . . .

have you forgotten so quickly the typical muslim's mindset?once they dont have their way,they spit out their bibs and start bawling incoherently like lil babies, olabowale not making any sense is because he s frothing at the mouth because of the home truth i told him about redeemed lol im not engaging them in debates anymore because its clear they dont have anything of substance im trying to convert them now lol

noetic2:
where is it recorded that mohammed forgave anyone?

oya answer,enuff said!!

olabowale:
And the many Churches of Adeboye, 5 minutes walk or drive, or run, take your pick will be devoid of any essence of practicallity, essentially empty because the Aladuras, The Celstrals, The Cherubum and Seraphims, for sure The Catholics, The other orthodoxes of the world, and many will just pass by it, without a glance and search for their own type of Church!

Your idea about Adeboye is like the concept of Starbuck Coffee Company, it started strong, over developed and now its closed tons of stores. Let me advise you, tell Adeboye to build them. It will safe the Muslims a lot of money when we buy tons of them upon the Corporation bankrupting and needs to unload them and get pennies on dollar for them!

And as to the many children, they are blesssings of Allah. Dont have Children and you will dwindle down. Lets catch up with you guys and then lets see how smart your decision to population freeze is!

that is the more reason to show that christianity is taking over,imagine just redeemed a single parish,without mentioning the many aladura churches,the depper life,winners chapel,catholics,anglicans e.t.c
you r waiting for muslims to buy his churches when we v bought out almost all the old trad churches in england,and making inroads into the middle east,watch out,redeemed is buying up a mosque near you pretty soon

how can you show the man quotes from the quran and your own mohammedan version of moses's supposed sayings when the man believes your religion and quran is false and baseless lol

uplawal:
all this your baseless argument is fruitless cos at the end ISLAM will dominate and christianity would be conquared at the end of the day,so just save urself the stress,you just wait and see,i wont blame you cos ure still blind thats why

you reckon??then you r believing the the propaganda machine churning out feel goo but empty and false reports, the only reason you guys seem to be much is simply because you give birth to more children,secondly look around you in nigeria, look at redemption camp and lag-ibadan express way the vision for pastor adeboye's redeemed is to have a church "all round the world"in a 5 minutes drive from each other,do you see a mosque being 5 minutes from each other all over the world

if you think this makes a good script,then good luck ill advice you to take the bolded parts on board and work on it, if his uncle's number wasnt going through didnt he call his uncle before getting on a bus?
now if he did which he must have done to know if his uncle was in abuja or cotonou,a normal chain of events would have been for the uncle to either tell him to stay at a neighbours till he gets back or left the key maybe under a mat or something till he gets back, this is called interpreting a scrip, scriptwriting is not just about writing,you will look at a real life scenario and ask yourself wht you ll do this is where scripts in nigeria and nollywood ffail woefully

uplawal:
@godson2009,you are acting like a fool,why is it a problem to you when i wrote that,or was he not you that was blabbing on the Mohammad's issue(pbuh),or Elisha's story is not taught in church again,or hes not part of the xtian bible,now ure getting irritated unnessarily,why dnt you go search your real godjesus'sbirth in mattew and luke,nairalanders that are worst than you are gave up at the end,and there was handshake,shio,u wanna end the fight your greatgrandnairalanders could not finish

yes now,im a fool for J.E.S.U.S

like i said elisha is not jesus,and irrespective of elisha or elijah or any of them people's sin jesus christ has come and wiped all that away,secondly show me where jesus christ killed anyone or maimed anyone or committed anything even remotely similar to what your mohammad did?

if u traverse the lenght and breadth of all churches,nobody will preach old testament in its entirety even white garment,churches only use bits and pieces of it but the new testament is what the church/christianity is based on, for instance we dont do blood sacrifice again,if i sin i kneel down and pray to my GOD,we have left the sacrifice and bowing down to images(kaabah)for you muslims.

now will you please answer the question i v been asking ou since yesterday,

what is the reward of a faithful,pious and obedient muslim woman in paradise?bearing in mind that of the muslim men is 70 virgins each lol

Abuzola:
Gonsong, must you lie to achieve your goal. What a hypocrite

at this pont,i think another brother of yours who is more knowledgeable should help you out,but to embarass you ill highlight your ignorance about your religion, go and check the accounts of the hijra in the first islamic lunar month, mohammad and abu bakr escaped while mohammad's son in law ali tricked the assasins by laying under the sheets,he and abu bakr hid in a cave where he asserted that a spider spun a net over the entrance of the cave and as the assasins came looking for him,they saw the net at the entrance of the cave and thought there couldnt have been anyone inside.

the second cowardly account of your master was when he stood outside the city because he didnt have a guarantor that would ensure his safety, i wont bother giving you the verses of the hadiths/quran where these 2 accounts are because i want you to actually do some reading,and also becaue your daddy olabowale will soon be around and he ll confirm these two accounts

uplawal:
@godson2009,what about how Elisha killed the children that mocked him,cos you are here ranting like a matured parrot

so what if he did,unlike you muslims we are prepared to own up,however is he supposed to be the prototype of a christian or is he jesus?so whats your point,
you v been starving yourself to bulimic levels for a month and still all of you collectively cant come up with a coherent reason why your 419 oga prophet has commited all the atrocities recorded in the quran and hadiths,instead of you to keep quiet so the thread will die and your embarassement will be buried you r picking random ppl up in the bible and latching on to that

seeing as you are a good muslim girl/woman what is your reward when you get to paradise for being faithful??
i know the men will get 70 or is it 72 virgins?

davidylan:
I think he at least was intelligent enough to know he could fool 1 billion people with hogwash called the quran. those he couldnt fool he killed. Brilliant strategy.

hmmn,think and look carefully at the 1 billion adherents what is the recurrent decimal with them all,
they are all boderline psychotic
always in a zombie like trance,chanting and mumbling now juxtapose that with the symphtons of those with psychological issues then you ll discover mohammad simply took the bottom billion that would have succumbed to pretty much any other religion

Abuzola:
Muhammad was commanded to leave makkah by GOD, as for jesus he despise to be crucified luke 22:42, and he was forsaken

mr man will you perish that comment,go and read your quran well or ask me if you want me to help you out with the verse where mohammad and his second in command ran like scared rabbits,they weaved one fantastic story about a spider weaving a web so the hired killers didnt know they were in the cave story story lol

it used to be predominantly ajebo,but these days the ajebos have moved out leving it for the ajepakos lol

a large percentage of the problem is caused by these who out of the desire to help friends or family volunteer to bring their children over to the uk,when they get here they either abandon these children to their devises or dnt take adequate care of them,these children now end up with one gang or the other thats why most of these kids are based round the same area stoke newington,hackney,peckham,brixton e.t.c

at least he didnt run like a scared rabbit like mohammad your prophet did,when the meccans wanted to assasinate him(even though i dont believe they wanted to assasinate him,maybe beat him) you want to compare that to a man who was nailed to a cross?

davidylan:
A master political strategist who used a fraudulent religion based entirely on plagiarised jewish material to attain affluence.

i believe he is smart but i disagree he was a master political straegist o,show me where he handled anything smoothly, he wanted to start his highway robbery business and of all times in the year,he chose the holy month.

a smart leader doesnt use force to win followers,that ll only make ppl fear you not love you so for him to start telling ppl to either convert or beheading them wasnt a smart political strategy im sure he regrets the jihad thing he added.

a smart politician knows showing love towards women and children is a sure way of winning people to your side,what did mohammad do?he not only beheaded children,he married a baby and then told his followers women are going to be shared 70 to one man in paradise e.t.c

when he was enjoying the protection of his uncle,a smart politician would have started making alternative plans but he didnt and had to run like a scared rabbit when they wanted to deal with him, personally i dont believe that story because the pre-islamic arabians did not exhibit any violence towards him and lets be honest between the time his uncle and wife died(within a year) any serious assasin would have killed him without any effort if they wanted him dead that bad, i think he just wanted an excuse to leave mecca and weaved that story into the quran to appear like moses when he left egypt and other biblical people

to be honest i think he was pretty smart,for any young boy in his twenties while his mates were chasing young girls about,to worm his ways into a sugar mummy's bed not only that he used the sugar mummy's money to start a religion and eventually took over a whole city of mecca gaining multitudes of renegades in the process,

to show he was smart he didnt start a brand new religion which would have taken wayy too much thinking, creating aims and objectives having to build from scratch to get the awareness would have been harder, he simply plagiarised the most succesful religion at that time, and created an ibo made(apologies to all my igbo brothers and sisters)version,
1.you christians have imaculate conception , ibo made mohammad's mother being told by an angel she will give birth to a great prophet lol

2.you christians have a bible and judaism torah-ill create prototype ibo made of my own but ill just lift page 1 to 60 out of 100 pages and then base my religion on challenging the remaining 40 pages i dont understand.

3.that jesus and his father GOD talking about sending him and begotten son bla bla, well he cant pull that off because it was too late,everyone knows he was a normal dude up untill he was twenty something, till his maga wife paid so he starts to challenge begotten son after all GOD is patient and he wont come down and challenge him now abi

4.if jesus is ready to whitstand suffering for people,abeg mohammad is not ready o,he s getting his benjamins right here in this world,and he made sure he got enough money from where ever the money came from either from robbery,or magas paying e.t.c

jesus has said in the bible that he doesnt want the death of sinners but for them to repent and be born again,also its in the bible that the lord said nop matter how religious and faithful you are,if you dont have an over flow of love then you r wasting your time, he further said love your neighbour as yourself is the greatest of the christian duty
as for what mohammed will do,he has equally said it in his quran where he enjoins his bloodthirsty followers,to behead and cut off the fingertips of all christians and jews(not my words its in their religious texts)

lets put the government's comment in its proper perspective,the minister said "if there is adequate supply of gas"they will deliver on the 6000mw promise,as it is now all they have is that the various power stations "HAS THE CAPACITY TO GENERATE"

the man should just apply for assylum and get a british passport,he wont be the first after all david mark is not carrying a nigerian passport our supposed number 3 man in nigeria!

noetic2:
@ Godson2009


you are better off ignoring the_seeker. . . he is a waste of time and resources. And as for olabowale, dont bother repeating your points to him, he has the gift of being deaf to reasoning.

lol now i know lol i only just realised that one of their fake legends probably to match the story of mary being told about the immaculate conception was of the prophet's mother amina hearing a voice telling her she is pregnant with the lord of his people,and they shall call his name mohammad lol wonder why there was no law against blantant plagiarism and copyright

@the _seeker
i honestly cant decide if you are seeking knowledge or ignorance with your comments, you challenged me on a point i raised about your blood thirsty prophet and i defended my comment, rather than acknowledge that,you countered it by skillfully ignoring that and then dredging up some old testament battles, first of all i hope you realise that so moses has suddenly become a devil in your sights i though he was part of these mohammad recognised and acknowledged lol lol
its obvious you only read the bible like a novel browing through go back and read verse 15,then you will see why the command was given,besides the bible as if the lord knew carefully explained the reson why each bloodshed took place,when our own jesus christ came,he abolished every sort of sacrifice either human or animal,but when your own mohammad came to supposedly liberate the arabians e.t.c he made the situation worse,so you dont even have any mouth to talk, you still bow down to idols 1.e. kabba you still do animal sacrifices, sallah,your brothers still believe and practise paedophillia go and see whats happening in the north
check deuteronomy verses 5-8. your own prophet pushed his followers to their death,and turned around to marry the widows see what the bible says?
verse 18 is the answer to why the blood shed took place, im sure you know what doctors do to prevent cancer or tumours from spreading??they cut the affected part out!!

i understand english is your second language,but there was nowhere in that whole chapter where"boys" or innocent boys were mudered like your prophet mohammad did,in cold blood "EVEN AFTER THE PEOPLE HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED"all that were killed were soldiers lastly check verse 46 of the same numbers to determine who the 32 virgins were passed to, i dont have to explain to you that these times are different from now,which is evident because even your fraud of a prophet didnt have any issues with all that,however while your mohammad and his followers were still revelling in the old ways of doing things because of his laziness in getting a proper job farming,we christians had advanced i.e jeun soke lol by stepping up to the new testament and leaving all that life whih you r still enjoying to you till today


you r like an hired killer trying to justify his killings by pointing at another sinner who had done similar things in the past to justify yourself

@olabowale
anytime you read my comment about your prophets,address the specific incident and dont give me vague or general retorts, i was reffering to the 2 singing girls who were singing a satire mocking mohammad who he had killed,did that happen true or false
i dont know about you but i do not belong to any individual or group of people, i might be from a particular tribe or country,doesnt mean i belong to them but i understand your mindset,seeing as your prophet has brainwashed you ppl that you are slaves to your allah,that os why yopu have the slave mentality, GOD is my own father and seeing as you are his slaves you will be working for us and cleaning after us from now till eternity.

while the wahabi form of islamic worship might be extreme,and sayyid qutb i respect them for telling the truth no matter what anyone thinks,even your own prophet condemns people who are spinless and cant stand on a principle, be bold enough to defend both the good and bad of your religion not running away from what you are too ashamed to admit, sayyid qutb is not only a leading scholar in egypt he is probably the most influencial apart from mawdudi and others,go and do an indepht research on the religion you profess to be a part of,and dont let any bushy bearded imam weave tales for you, the more i have gone indepht into the quran the surer i am that being a born again christian i have made the right choice

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4563950#msg4563950 date=1253213594]this is another example of your lopsided thinking. where in the above narration does it say that Muhammed killed children or that he knows the kadir(destiny) of any child for him to do so. In the entire narration sahih muslim did not quote muhammad for once. he was only expounding in his own understaing why children are not to be killed during warfare, cos Allah and Allah alone knows the destiny of men.
it is evil to lie just to make an arguement. Am sure you must have copied this from one of those anti-islam website. you were so excited you didnt even bother to read through.
you should be ashamed of yourself[/quote]lol that was really skillfull from both you and olabowale but im not buying that sir, what the writer is saying is that mohammad never killed or ordered the killing of any child or children,whose khadir was that of a believer in future, he is now telling them that if you want to do what mohammad did i.e the killings then you have to fullfill this single condition which he fullfilled hence was justified, to be totally and unequivocally sure that this is the truth,check the accounts of the children killed after the surrender at qurayza.

what was your prophet mohammad's answer when he was told about the slaughter of children by sab jaththana?
he dismissed it and said"THEY ARE FROM THEM"meaning i couldnt give a biscuit how many of them die as long as they are not muslims, sahih muslim, 4322-4323 now tell me if that has not validated my explanation above??
as for where im getting my facts from, dont be suprised to know my undergraduate dissertation was on justification of jihad with a focus on wahhabi and islamist like sayyid qutb,mawdudi e.t.c so i know what im on about sire, im not one of the people you ll rabble dazzle with meaningless quranic inscriptions

maturity age for mohammad was the age he officially married aisha 6 yrs old and he consumated their relationship at 9 yrs old

for males age of puberty for mohammad was to tell his followers to pull down the trousers of the boys and kill any of the boys who had pubic hair by my rough calculations between 9-11 years old

HeinmanNig:
Dialysis machines don't cost 10s of thousands of pounds. New goes for around 3500-5500 (Standard brands like Braun). Refurbed Dialysis machines with 1 yr warranties are more like 1500 - 2500. Maybe it's cheaper because I supply from wholesalers.

I do agree with getting a competent person to manage the business. Good luck sha.

i beg to disagree with you sire,specify what kind of dialysis machine you r on about because there are all sorts, while im not well versed in that field i know there are the home portable ones which are cheaper and the proper ones used in the big hospitals, and i stand by my comment that you will not get the proper ones they use in the hospitals across the counter and they are definitely a lot more than 3,500

hi,the only reason i am interested is your persistence, i live in the uk and i write scripts,stories e.t.c as a hobby email me on and we ll talk first after i have listened to a very brief synopsis of your true life story and then state our terms,then we will start work on the script writing and see how it goes

bilms:
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the story is about a young guy dat traveld to abuja to meet his uncle, upon getting there, d uncle house where he used to be was lucked, so he went to a cyber cafe[b] to browse out his time hopping d[/b] uncle will come back, but after getting there at night,d house was still lucked, that simply mean he has no place to stay, he was just walking back to d cafe to do ovenight browsing when he saw an old friend he used o play with when ever he vist d uncle way back, and they[b] discuesd[/b], the old friend accep to shelter him, it continued,

why would he go out to do overnight browing or any browing at all,when he could have simply called his uncle's mobile to let him intimate him of his visit and time of arrival??
how do you know he has no place to stay,what if he had some money to get a cheap room??
i v got to be honest weith you,this is no better than the usual script churned out by thes obioma producers and directors in nollywood

damoobaba:
The story is about Dele, a young enemployed graduate who lives with his father. Unable to secure a good job after his youth service he joined his father in carpentry and furniture fixing. One day on their way to their job site, they boarded the wrong taxi which cost Dele's father his life and landed Dele in prison.However, he found his way out of prison but rather in an illegal way.Will government bring Dele back to prison? What role did Dele's mother play in his life? and most importantly, what eventually became of Dele? All these are available in this 120 page movie script. Sells for three hundred thousand Naira only(300,000.00).
Contact Damo on 08032344801 or damoosemails@gmail.com

dude for a 300,000 naira script(£1,200) your brief synopsis is a royal rip off and the story is disjoined as well with no coherence, you need to come up with something better to attract any buyers for your script