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Christianity EtcRe: Bishop Oyedepo Acquires Yet Another N4.5b Private Jet by Goshen360(m): 2:37am On Mar 08, 2012
@ Pastor Kun,

If I should send you all this yahoo bois spam msgs to my email, you go fear o. I just look out for familiar names and see if sometimes friends email goes to my spam folder. I already master their trick, emails, languages. The worst of it all, they are not even creative. Yeye bois. Them 4get say for people like us (U and I and the likes), godliness with contentment is a great gain. Make dem keep on trying.
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Asks Every Family In The Church To Donate #50,000 To Support University by Goshen360(m): 2:25am On Mar 08, 2012
FXKing2012:
I dont see why churches shld keep going into the university business, it's not as if they wanna help the society by providing cheap and affordable higher education. So why the craze over universities?
Is that the calling? A church is supposed to concentrate on the business of soul winning, not university education.
ON SPOT BROTHER.
Christianity EtcRe: The Revelation And Truth About The "mystery" And "gimmick" Of The Prayer Shawl by Goshen360(op): 11:30pm On Mar 07, 2012
Anyway, let's forget about that bro. We will always have differences. lol. What do you understand as to the revelation behind the prayer shawl? Do you have any revelation what it means because you know old testament are types and shadows. That is what i intend to achieve wit the thread. (Hit the reply button bro.)
Christianity EtcRe: In The Name Of Jesus Or In The Name Of Yeshua? Which Is Powerful? by Goshen360(m): 11:26pm On Mar 07, 2012
diluminati:
i'm sorry fx, i'm not into men. and i dont think any man would want to stay with me. two weeks and he'll be like fried meat. trust me.

@goshen

I dont get you. are you saying Jesus was Jesus's hebrew name? I thought Jesus was the greek version of Yeshua and i found out in old Isreal times the men usually had the father's name as the surname so Jesus hebrew name may have been Yeshua bin Yoseph.
Highlighted bold, correct ma.
Christianity EtcRe: In The Name Of Jesus Or In The Name Of Yeshua? Which Is Powerful? by Goshen360(m): 9:02pm On Mar 07, 2012
FXKing2012:
And I'd be happy to make joagbaje my best man.[color=#990000] Nati, who's gonna be your CBM?[/color]
Let's wait for her response. I will love to fly in from US with the King's Anointing to join ya both,lol grin grin grin cool cool cool
Christianity EtcRe: In The Name Of Jesus Or In The Name Of Yeshua? Which Is Powerful? by Goshen360(m): 8:54pm On Mar 07, 2012
diluminati:
Back to the topic

Christians
tell us in what name do you pray? in Jesus or Yeshua? and why.

Jesus is greek, Yeshua is hebrew, but while pray in the name of Jesus and not Yeshua? Coz i'll be made to believe hebrew is the basis of the bible and not greek.
The new testament was written in Greek from the scroll version. Old testament was written in Hebrews. Aside, Yeshua (Joshua) is a type and shadow of Jesus Christ that gave the Inheritance to the Children of Israel. Anyway, don't worry, I hope to start some teachings before the end of this year.
Christianity EtcRe: In The Name Of Jesus Or In The Name Of Yeshua? Which Is Powerful? by Goshen360(m): 8:47pm On Mar 07, 2012
FXKing2012:
I could very well be, ours might just the be 1st to happen via NL.
diluminati:
i'm sensing intimate innuendos from that your 'loving'. are you for real?
Anything is possible and I might as well be the priest grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Revelation And Truth About The "mystery" And "gimmick" Of The Prayer Shawl by Goshen360(op): 2:59pm On Mar 07, 2012
diluminati:
A little deviation. The Rosicrucians and Freemasons wear Apron to worship because they point it out from Acts that Paul also wore an Apron too. I wont take their claim likely.
They don't seems to understand what happened in the book of acts about the apron. I have pulled up many translations above to explain the event in acts. It was the people who came with aprons to touch Paul not Paul giving them aprons.
Christianity EtcRe: The Revelation And Truth About The "mystery" And "gimmick" Of The Prayer Shawl by Goshen360(op): 2:57pm On Mar 07, 2012
@ joagbaje,

But the truth is, we do not have any example in the bible where a man of God anointed anything. What am saying is, what we have today by men of God is imitation. While will a man of God anoint anything when they can touch him with same material and take to the sick? Does this anointing comes from the oil or the man of God himself? Seriously, I question and challenge many things in the body of Christ today, not because of anything but because I don't see such practices in the bible.

Come to think of it, Am anointed and someone is sick and such person is not present at the church. The example we have in the bible is, either the families or friends of the sick help him/her to the church or The family/friends of the sick come touch my body, with any material and take back to touch the sick or the sick touch me or i lay hand on the sick in case where such person is present. My point here is, the anointing doesn't come from the liquid oil but from God/body of the anointed man. We do not have an example where anointing was transferred into materials.
Christianity EtcRe: Names Of 'seeds' & 'offerings' Used In Extorting Money In Churches by Goshen360(m): 2:24pm On Mar 07, 2012
Skii:
Goshen360, I'm waiting for you, don't let someone leave here a confused man
Skii:
Extremely funny video @goshen360

But I ask you, since you always back your arguments with bible verses, could you please clarify the issue as to whether or not these seed offerings are right or wrong?
Hello Friend,

It's like you'r not following from the begining the thread very well. Crossman9 posted the link and i helped converted it to video since the link won't come up as video. I didn't get the video by myself. However, since you wanted me to clarify whether or not these "seed offerings" are right or wrong, I will pull up some stuffs for you from the scriptures.

Free will giving without being under undue pressure I have read in the bible and that is the new testament order.

Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Cor. 9:7, NIV

The bible is specific when it comes to giving and you can give ANYTHING as long as it freely from your heart. All these other seed names given by man to sow is just not biblical. The "SEED" I also read in the bible is clearly defined by Jesus, the seed is the word of God.

"This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. Lk 8:11, NIV

Why don't they tell you to "SOW" THE WORD? When it comes to God, Giving means exactly Giving. The seed means the words. But to man, Seed means Money.

cautious:
Straight talk: It’s not natural to give away money to ANY cause – the natural man is selfish and will look for any excuse not to give – the pastor’s diction, the colour of his suit: any excuse not to part with money. Even those who are quick to say “give that money to the poor” sometimes do absolutely nothing to help the poor. Instead, they slander churches for not creating community based projects when they as individuals are not helping the poor in their respective capacities.  But on the flip side, the seed-faith doctrine is man-made. We don’t pay God for His blessings. As Crossman rightly said, our blessing is a done deal (Eph 1:3). Ministers fond of raising all kinds of offerings are servants of money and their scams only succeed with the gullible. My point really – give liberally and generously as the Lord leads you. You’ll find that He gently leads us to give towards helping people, not helping a ‘minister’ build his empire.
I hope you're not confused anymore? lol
Christianity EtcRe: Your Thoughts On Objs New Church by Goshen360(m): 6:40am On Mar 07, 2012
He that is not against us is for us.
Christianity EtcRe: Names Of 'seeds' & 'offerings' Used In Extorting Money In Churches by Goshen360(m): 1:15am On Mar 07, 2012
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Definitely Sold Some Stuff - Joagbaje Please Explain by Goshen360(m): 1:09am On Mar 07, 2012
@ diluminati,

Let me answer for Joe. Did he make mistake? YES. I think he already answered the kweshion. Kindly let go off this matter and let's kill this thread. Thanks

Joagbaje:
So is that what the thread was about ? Because I called Jesus? But it should be obvious I didn't mean it that way. Maybe I should have rephrased it by saying "it's obvious Jesus ministry sold some stuff"
I didn't intend to say Jesus carry bell "gbanjo gbanjo" come and buy golden earring .
That is Joagbaje's answer. He already answered the kweshion. Apology accepted Mr. Joagbaje but make you no talk that kind talk again o,lol grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: We Must Change Our Approach To Religion by Goshen360(m): 4:14pm On Mar 06, 2012
Thanks so much. I was tempted to ignore your post but thank God it's very thoughtful. All points are on spot. I hope others read this also and put into practice. God bless y'all.
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Asks Every Family In The Church To Donate #50,000 To Support University by Goshen360(m): 4:07pm On Mar 06, 2012
WHEN JESUS WILL APPEAR IN THE FORM OF THE POOR, THE SICK, THE UNCLOTHED, THE NEGLECTED, THE STRANGER AND INMATE, MANY CHURCH PEOPLE WILL NOT EVEN RECOGNIZE HIM AND IF THEY DO, THEY WOULD SAY, "I HAVE GIVEN MY MONEY TO THE CHURCH ALREADY"

[i][b]For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." [/b][/i]Matthew 25:35 - 46 (NIV)
Christianity EtcRe: The Revelation And Truth About The "mystery" And "gimmick" Of The Prayer Shawl by Goshen360(op): 3:53pm On Mar 06, 2012
Joagbaje:
Yes i could see it. But It's still based on the same spiritual principles . He transfered the anointing power of God through those materials. Spiritual touch is in 2 fold . Either he touches you or you touch .the power of God can be transferred to or throung points of contact. Remember Jesus anointed dust and spittle . And it healed blind eyes.
The "guess" you apply into the word of God is one of the problem in the body of Christ. God is VERY specific when it comes to instruction. "Moses, Strike the rock" is different compared to "Moses, speak to the rock". We don't use experience or guess when it comes to the things of God. They that are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God not they that are led by "experience" or "guess".

And What exactly is the mystery and revelation of this prayer shawls in the first place, I think when we know the mystery and revelation behind it, then we will be able to know weather cloths, handkerchiefs and aprons should be prayed on or anointed or anointing transferred into as you claim. Do you have any mystery or revelation to share on Prayer Shawls?
Christianity EtcRe: Names Of 'seeds' & 'offerings' Used In Extorting Money In Churches by Goshen360(m): 3:37pm On Mar 06, 2012
[quote author=Idi-Amin link=topic=887366.msg10339907#msg10339907 date=1331030683]I was invited on Sunday to a church by a cousin. After the watered down sermon,

pastor: I want everybody to sow a 'special anointing seed'. I was like 'is there an anointing that is ordinary?'

Another one is 'financial breakthrough seed'. My own sister has has been sowing this financial breakthrough seed every month for at least 5 years and she still has no breakthrough, and she has the guts to come ask me for money that she is broke. I just told her no, wait for your breakthrough. I asked her to stop giving away her money to pastor and that its a waste of money and will get her nowhere . But for wherehuh!
she will start quoting bible: 'do not be weary in well doing for you shall reap in perfect time'
Ok then, go wait for your perfect time.

Do you guys know of any other 'seeds' and 'offerings'. it seems they just make them up as they go along[/quote]LWKMD, grin grin grin

ANYWAY, I happen to know a lot of "SEED" and "OFFERINGS" name:

"Anointing breaks the Yoke" Seed Offerings

"273" Seed offerings: 2 is the number of agreement, 7 is the number of perfection or completion, God will perfect everything about you when you sow this seed, 3 is the number of Resurrection etc, God will Resurrect you finances. This kind of numeric connection seed can change depending on what is being connected with.

"Solomon" Seed of 1000 USD. Richest man's seed

"Firstborn" seed offerings for firstborn curse breaking.

"Covenant Seed" When you are in covenant with the man of God, Whatever God does to the man of God, same thing flows into your life. If people give the man of God car(s), people MUST give you car also.

I will add more when it comes to my mind, too much "SEED" offerings. But I heard Jesus say, THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 3:19pm On Mar 06, 2012
stepo707:
Guys you have been wonderful and this has also helped me research more.There are plenty hidden treasures in the word of God.
Q82 and Q86 and Q97 is still pending but i give you guys till the end of the day before i give the answer
Bro Image, please research Q82, 86, and 97 please. I am preparing some materials for teachings soon. Ok. Thanks and God bless OR,

@ Coordinator, make you give us free those answer, cant really rack my head now,lol.


I WILL SHARE THE REVELATION ON "DAGON", MAYBE HERE OR GENERAL RELIGION FORUM BUT I WILL THINK ABOUT IT. SINCE WE VALUE REVELATION HERE MOST, I MIGHT JUST SHARE IT HERE BECAUSE IT SEEMS IT'S JUST THREE OF US CONTRIBUTING.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Definitely Sold Some Stuff - Joagbaje Please Explain by Goshen360(m): 3:11pm On Mar 06, 2012
"Jesus DEFINITELY sold some stuff."

Well, we expect Joagbage to also show us a "DEFINITE" bible verse that show Jesus sold some stuff but I see him using "GUESS" assumption and bible verses that shows "SUGGESTION". Well, I will not go further because I have come know the person of Joagbaje from his post, even though I haven't met him. I rather leave him alone because he will "DEFINITELY" not agree he is wrong. I have better things to do at this moment.
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Asks Every Family In The Church To Donate #50,000 To Support University by Goshen360(m): 2:56pm On Mar 06, 2012
WHY ARE THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITIES IN NAIJA THE MOS EXPENSIVE?

OVER 75% OF THE MEMBERS OF RCCG CANNOT AFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO THE RCCG UNIVERSITY BECAUSE OF THE HIGH FEES, YET ALL FAMILIES ARE BEING ASKED (WHETHER VOLUNTARILY OR NOT) TO DONATE N50K TOWARDS RELOCATING THE SCHOOL. WHY?

MY SUGGESTION IS: INSTEAD OF OPENING THESE NEW AND EXPENSIVE SCHOOLS, SOME OF THESE CHURCHES CAN ADOPT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND IMPROVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM FOR THE POOR CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

PASTORS, PLEASE CONSIDER THE POOR IF REALLY THE CHRISTIANS MEAN TO REACH OUT TO THE WORLD.
GOD THROUGH CHRIST IS INDEED DIFFERENT FROM RELIGION. YOU HAVE SPOKEN WISELY. BUT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS BUSY BUILDING THEIR OWN EMPIRE, THEY WILL NEVER IMPROVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND MAKE LIFE BETTER.
Christianity EtcRe: Antichrist Pastors And Bishops In The Church by Goshen360(m): 2:47am On Mar 06, 2012
Your teachings are pure and as real as the word of God should be real. I thank God for raising people like you for this generation. Keep doing the great job but bear in mind,people might not like you but keep doing the good job anyway. God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Should I Continue With Mysticism? by Goshen360(m): 12:39am On Mar 06, 2012
^^^
Honestly I dont know about it or else you want to tell me about it or email me to tell me about it: goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. What way you choose to tell me about it, I will appreciate it.
Christianity EtcRe: The Doctrine Of Balaam by Goshen360(m): 12:02am On Mar 06, 2012
These are good stuffs and biblical teachings, using scriptures to explain scriptures. Kindly email me please: goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Asks Every Family In The Church To Donate #50,000 To Support University by Goshen360(m): 11:27pm On Mar 05, 2012
crossman9:
goshen360 are you not saying hi tonight
Sorry, didn't sign in my msger. Planning to step out soon anyway.
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Asks Every Family In The Church To Donate #50,000 To Support University by Goshen360(m): 11:20pm On Mar 05, 2012
FXKing2012:
The Redeem Christian Church of God (RCCG) has asked every family in the church to donate #50,000 to support the relocation of Redeemers University from the camp to the permanent site in Ede, Osun State.
Sometimes ago, the pastors were asked to pay #10,000 each to have lunch with the general overseer (I think this happens yearly).


I'm just wondering, what would Jesus do? Is it really right making demands off church members this way?

I would like your thoughts on this but bear in mind that they are not forced to cough out the money, it's totally voluntary.
In RED answers the question sir. As long as they are not forced or under undue pressure to do it. However, to mention a specific amount is INDIRECT FORCE OR UNDUE PRESSURE. Not everybody can afford 50k. It would have been by scripture principles, "EVERY MAN AS HE PURPOSES IN HIS HEART"

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 2 Cor. 9:7, KJV
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Definitely Sold Some Stuff - Joagbaje Please Explain by Goshen360(m): 11:16pm On Mar 05, 2012
JeSoul:
My sister, from my understanding, he simply wishes to be addressed as his user ID "Joagbaje" and not pastor ____ and I think that is a reasonable request & is within the forum rules. I think all of us will not be happy to have our real names being used openly. Can you kindly modify the title, and your posts that have his full name and use just his username? or else I will have to remove the topic. Thanks girl.


My brother, let me first say I appreciate the way you've handled yourself in the forum of recent, very mature and respectful and I apreciate that a lot. As per the issue, its not about silencing the opposition or allowing 'heresy' to go unchalleneged. This is simply about keeping the discussions impersonal and leaving personal names, attacks or issues out of it. I am sure Joagbaje will be happy to answer your queries if you simply left his real name out of it.

Joagbaje didn't send me a private mail, its on the mod thread for all to see. I've been noticing people attacking him personally recently and that is against forum rules and is simply not in good taste. We can make our points with respect and maturity. Thanks again and stay blessed.
Yes, I got the alert from the Mod thread and that is where I was refering to. Thanks for the correction.

@ diluminati,
Kindly modify the title leaving Joagbaje's personal name out of the topic and let's see him answer the question as JeSoul had suggested. It is reasonable within the rules of the forum. Thank you.

Better still, Moderator or JeSoul [/b]can modify the title of this thread using Joe's ID, Joagbaje. [b]@ JeSoul
Christianity EtcRe: Should I Continue With Mysticism? by Goshen360(m): 10:49pm On Mar 05, 2012
^^^
You may choose to call it that name, "Christian mysticism" but don't let someone hear that from you or else, slap may be your portion, grin grin grin

Anyway, back to topic, I perfectly understand what you are talking about. I have it in my spirit. When my spirit doesn't go with someone i come in contact with, then i don't get to close neither do i hate such person. Even on this forum, I read people's comment with their kind of person interpreted into their words. I know you understand what am talking about. This is what am trynna advice you in the first place, when you allow your spirit being to function more than things of the flesh, you will definitely get to know people by their words and person. Also remember, satan doesn't give you anything without asking something from you, now or later.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Definitely Sold Some Stuff - Joagbaje Please Explain by Goshen360(m): 10:33pm On Mar 05, 2012
@ JeSoul,

As much as I respect your words and saying above and also read Joagbaje's comment to you (You know where am talking about). This is my personal contribution here to you and everyone.

Something is definitely at stake when Christians come out in the open in front of the whole world and say things in error or say heresy. Honestly, it goes a long way. Even if diluminati had not asked Joagbage to explain his statement, me and some others had confronted Joagbaje to explain to us from the scriptures where he came about Jesus definitely sold some stuffs. A simple statement from joagbage that he made such statement in error will definitely kill this thread. We are all human and we can still speak some things in error. He doesn't seems to agree he was properly addressed and yet, he sent you private mail. I do not have personal issues with him but our faith is at stake sir with such statement from Joagbaje.
Christianity EtcRe: Characteristics Of The False Prophets by Goshen360(m): 10:13pm On Mar 05, 2012
Ptolomeus:
Jeremias 2.8
"The priests said not, "Where is the LORD?"
and those with the law knew me not;
the pastors also transgressed against me;
the prophets prophesied by Baal
and walked after things that do not profit."

Mhhhhh
Special translation, right?
You seems to omit, "by Baal". That's what the poster is trynna make reference to. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Characteristics Of A True Prophet Of God by Goshen360(m): 9:43pm On Mar 05, 2012
I guess you reside in the US, kindly email me: goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Will love to connect and work with you bro. Thanks.@ Habinger.

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