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TAO11:
(1) First of all, extant Yoruba accounts and Benin accounts hold that Oranmiyan did not get to be coronated as Oba in Benin, although that was the original agreement all along.

While most of the Edo elders, who of course invited him to Benin (then Ado), supported that he should reign as King, a handful of the elders were non-cooperating.

The resistance from this pocket of resisting elders appears sufficient to frustrate and dispirit the original agreement and plans.

He ultimately left Ado, but his son born to him by one of their ladies was subsequently coronated as the first Oba. This is, however, not without some commitment and side conditions to appease the disgruntled elders.

Thus did Eweka 1 (his son) become the first Oba of Benin. This is the standard and extant traditional account from both the Yoruba side and the Benin side.

It is only relatively recently that the Binis began to confuse themselves and others. They can not even agree among themselves till date on who their first Oba was between Oranmiyan and his son (Eweka 1).

This muddling and conflation played out publicly quite recently during the coronation of the reigning Benin King when he publicly announced himself as the 40th Oba even though his immediate predecessor was the 38th.

So, your question of why the later Benin king-lists (such as the one collected by Talbot in Benin, or the one collected by Egharevba from an Esekhurhe priest) now has Oranmiyan as the first Oba is a question that you must direct to yourself and the Bini informants, not to others that are not Binis.

It appears very obvious that confusion is an early Bini thing.

It is not surprising then that the earliest known Benin king-list collected by Captain Ernest Roupell in 1897-8 has Eweka 1 has the first Oba of Benin. This is in perfect agreement with extant Yoruba traditional accounts and extant Benin traditional accounts.

Refer to S. A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, Amalion Publishing, p.117 for a summary of this extant Benin and Yoruba traditional accounts.

(2) Refer to the following link for a refutation of the other dumb ‘arguments’ of this Edo dullard:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted

After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits

Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled


The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go
The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff,
If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor......

Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history


Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is,

We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted

After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits

Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled


The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go
The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff,
If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor......

Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history


Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is,

TAO11:
I already told you where I saw it. Your eyes seem to be covered in tears.

I will repeat where I saw it again so you can cry harder:

It is in a video recorded last week or thereabout from your Benin Palace where one of the Chiefs is seen chanting the praise poetry (oríkì in Yoruba) of your Oba in his presence.

Yes, he called his progenitor as “Oba n’Uhe” — Oba at Ife.

I am asking for the second time, do you want to see the video yourself so you can drown in your own tears?? $&@*^%#€

cc: Keraxes, gomojam, sesan85

Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

TAO11:
First of all, Oba is simply a Yoruba common noun (and not a proper noun) and it which simply means “King”, etc.

Secondly, talking about “title” (i.e. the proper noun); the title for the Benin King is “Omo N’Oba” simply meaning: the child of the king; or as you all love to twist it: the child that shines $9@&£€ .
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Having said that, it is an open secret that you’re scared of me. Everyone on Nairaland knows that.

I single-handedly suffocated the whole of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland with my two hands.

Doesn’t that not tell you who the super weaklings are??

Having said that, “Oba” has no monarch-related meaning in Edo language.

The word for “King” in your language is “Ogie”, as seen in the word “Ogiso” from the phrase “Ogie-Iso” — “KING from the SKY”.

I triple-dare any Edo/Bini here to break down the word “Oba” into its component part and then inform us syllable-by-syllable how each component come together to produce the word “King” or any of its equivalent — This is like asking you people to bring forward a married bachelor. It is simply impossible to do.

Here is a link to a destructive finishing I gave Benin Kingdom a day ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

sesan85:
Monumental ignoramus. Oba is a generic name for all Yorubas Kings. Olu, Alaafin, Deji, Ooni are all titles. Even the Oba of Lagos is Eleko, you dumbass!

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

TAO11:
First of all, Oba is simply a Yoruba common noun (and not a proper noun) and it which simply means “King”, etc.

Secondly, talking about “title” (i.e. the proper noun); the title for the Benin King is “Omo N’Oba” simply meaning: the child of the king; or as you all love to twist it: the child that shines $9@&£€ .
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Having said that, it is an open secret that you’re scared of me. Everyone on Nairaland knows that.

I single-handedly suffocated the whole of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland with my two hands.

Doesn’t that not tell you who the super weaklings are??

Having said that, “Oba” has no monarch-related meaning in Edo language.

The word for “King” in your language is “Ogie”, as seen in the word “Ogiso” from the phrase “Ogie-Iso” — “KING from the SKY”.

I triple-dare any Edo/Bini here to break down the word “Oba” into its component part and then inform us syllable-by-syllable how each component come together to produce the word “King” or any of its equivalent — This is like asking you people to bring forward a married bachelor. It is simply impossible to do.

Here is a link to a destructive finishing I gave Benin Kingdom a day ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

TAO11:
Hahaha!

(1) “Aye” is not “God” anymore it now “there is no”.

But wait a second, you had said “Aye” is the name of the idol.

In other words, there is an idol in Benin whose name is “there is no”.

More like saying: @gregyboy, let’s go and worship ”there is no”.

And Tinubu laughed hysterically again

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281274_99e0a1b6124842cabcf04ce2ca79bd4f_jpeg_jpegf9fd0a9be1b03aeefb053f51896e9126

(2) And “lala” is not “loud” any longer it is now “sound warning”.

What shall I not read from an Edo dullard??

Moreover, I think updates are made to Edo dictionaries too fast.

In the space of one day, a new Edo dictionary have been published to update the word for “God” from “Osa”/“Oghene” to “Aye”; and then “lala” was introduced into the Edo lexicon in this same published edition to mean “loud”.

However, the next day the publishers recalled that edition from the market and issued an updated edition which further shifted “Aye” from ”God” to “there is no”; and “lala” from “loud” to “sound warning”.

And even the kids laughed really hard.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281275_ac62176072c64968b351344f75a97305_jpeg_jpegd403e34fe4158794a6a2cc4e4c683f47

Hold on a second, if “lala” now means “sound warning” according to the latest edition of the Edo dictionary published a few minutes ago; how then does the phrase “beyond this” manage to squeeze itself into your final translation of “Ayelala”?

Moreover, if “Ayelala” = “there is no sound warning beyond this” (which of course it is not as I have exposed your dumb fraud here); does this then mean that there is no greater deity to prevent/detect evil acts among the Edos??

In summary: Your best attempt to be fraudulent is still a dumb attempt.


(3) My argument to you on “Ogun” was and remains as follows:

Based on the screenshot below on the meaning of the word “umogun”; it clearly has nothing to do with the deity “Ogun”; it also has nothing to do with “iron”; and neither does it have anything to do with ”strength”.

You see how you’ve exposed Benin kingdom to be under Ife??

Now apologize and move on with your life peacefully!

cc: macof

Lol, you started the cold joke after i warned you

..... Lol go and research more, you're not smart for me at all,

I only consider you because you bring something new to the table unlike your cohorts that are self proclaimed yoruba author

You on the other hand is still not smart you post something to tackle me only to still be st my advantage and use it against you.....


No one would argue ever argue with you again on the benin ife myth but instead they will draw alwyas to the truth, that it never existed

You desperation had made me even know benin history i never knew before now, and also opened my eyes to the truth behind the myth,

There is a benin parable which says sometimes



The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

I want to see the video

And i want to see were they equated ife as uhe

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

Can you tell me were you saw the statement

Ovbi oba n uhe

Please shsre the link you fraudster lol

gomojam:
You are spoiling for it again abi? Don't cry when Tao11/TAO12 give it to u sha.

Lol, if truth is to be said, this statement will get u a banned for 600yrs on nairaland

I decided not to call her not soil the thread like mad woman, if you know i dont fear tagging her, i just dont want to soil the thread and she also has been complaining lately i can letgo her moniker that am attached to it, so i decided to free her henceforth on the tagging


Since you insist once again to sacrifice her head i will help you tao11 come in here, Etinosa1234 awaits your head, your brothers sacrifice your head to him once again not me

Come in to tell us how lagos was peacefully infiltrated by benins


At the end of it all i hope you dont commit suicide knowing fully aware your brothers sacrificed your head to always appease the bins for their selfish interests

Keraxes:
Another wretched olofo from ugly weak Oloribu oba of Benin lineage

Lol....... Ask you brothers you dont want to mess with a guy like me,


I will leave you to him....

BornRicch:
Oni ra nu.. slave generation.. weakling tribe.

Calling them weakling they pain them enter bone, the more you call them the more they avoid you....

Selfkontrol:
Good morning all.

I had a very serious yet Heart breaking moment last night. I have this girl friend I have been dating for some years now. Roughy 4 years plus. We are so serious that ThE next phase of our relationship should be marriage.
I love her so much and to the best of my knowledge, she loves me too and was really a wife material like I have always thought all these years even though we have been off and on sometimes.

Last year September I broke up with her because of how rude she spoke to me.( not the first time. I just couldn’t take it anymore)It was a messy breakup and even though she begged me for three days. I never listened but deep down I didn’t mean it. I just wanted her to fix her bad behaviors then after some months we come back. It wasn’t long too, her father had stroke and I knew she was passing through a lot that period. Even though she tried to find solace in me during those times, I didn’t care that much but still called her often to know how the father is doing. (He’s much better now)

Fast forward to early this year, we started talking again and she visited me where I stay. ( note: we have been talking after few weeks of our breakup but just friends. I still loved her but but I felt it wasn’t time yet) We made out and continued our relationship. I try to fix everything that caused the breakup and she was ready to turn a new leaf and so was I

Everything was going well with less issues for these past months because we don’t stay in the same location. It’s more or less a long distance thing even though we didn’t start that way. (We started dating in school and some point lived together for a year) we couldn’t stay in same city because of circumstances. Her parents live in a different city.

Everything was fine until recently when we were talking and something lead to another thing. She first told me how men give her tips in her mother’s restaurant (she helps her mom in the restaurant since she’s awaiting her masters) i didn’t find it funny. I told her it’s not wrong to take tips but when you know there would be a condition attached to the tips then it’s very bad to accept those tips. ( sometimes 10k, 15k, 5k and evening someone had giving her $100 before) at first she didn’t find anything wrong in taking those tips as she said that’s the little way she can help herself since As she couldn’t be always asking me for money every time. (I send her cash once in a while) But later saw my reason why it’s wrong to take tips from these men especially if the cash is huge because at the end the men always make demands like she told me And she promised to stop it.

Later in the evening we where having a conversation and I told her about a girl a had a little fling with a few months ago. (Long after we broke up) And how the girl called me and was feeling I used her because I went back to my ex. It was a harmless discussion and we both we just laughing over it. Didn’t take long before I asked her Jokingly if she have ever had anything in the place she stays After our break up and to my greatest surprise she gave me a shocker that She actually Had sex with a guy about a week or two weeks later after our break. That she was vulnerable that period because a lot of things happening.And she never believed we could come back. I pushed further and she gave me all the details.

That left me very heartbroken. Heartbroken in the sense that my girlfriend for years could easily sleep with a guy within few weeks of our break up. I was very bitter through out the night. She begged and cried all night and even had an ashma attack and promised it was just a mistake. I called her so many names including a cheap slut anyone could easily sleep with just like that.

I know this is just a relationship but I’m actually scared because this is a girl I plan to engage next year and marriages is obviously the next. She’s a very beautiful girl, honest, caring and faithful to the best of my knowledge but I’m really confused right now. If she could do that just after a week or two of our breakup means even in marriage if we have any problems, she can easily sleep with that guy that she finds solace in.

Help me Nairalanders. She’s supposed to stay for two more days before she leave but from the look of things she might be going today. I’m really confused and don’t wanna make a bloody mistake that I would regret later In the future

Bro no lady is perfect for me ladies cheat just as men
But they code it and don't even discuss it not even within themselves

Have you ever bleeped a lady and she told you not to tell.....

I would advice you to let her go not because she cheated only but her collecting tips means constant knackings from male folks

Move and be a man, your moving on from her will help shaping her and help the next nigga going after her...

Note

Any lady will cheat if giving opportunity both marriage or relationship our prayer is not to catch them

Just find any lady marry afterwards all of them na potential cheat na time e dey take

sesan85:
But I thought you vowed not to reply me again? Couldn't resist, huh. Fraudulent revisionists like Erediauwa who had to wait for Egharevba's death in the 80s before falsifying history about some fictitious Ekala-whatever! Greet your Yoruba descended king Ewuare II for me, "Abieyuwa N' Ovbi Odua N'uhe."

What site did you get the bolded fron please share the link

sesan85:
Oga swerve! The same Benin people who wants to steal Ogun, Eshu, Osun, Olokun, Ishango (Shango). Who takes you people serious.

Me

sesan85:
Ogie is your language, not Oba. Oba is Yoruba.

Olu, alafin, deji, ooni is your title not oba

Oba is benin

Ogie means =duke, royalty

Dont equate ogie as king

Oba is king

KingWarri:
WRONG!!
Warri was the first city and the Portuguese where the first Europeans in 1485

You correcting you're also wrong because it was the benin

dasparrow:
I didn't know you have to discard your cultural identity by changing your native name just to trade with someone. Since your people now trade with fellow Nigerians, why haven't your people adopted the tribal or ethnic names of those Nigerians they trade with today? Oh I know. Nigerians don't have white skin like the Europeans whom your people worship.

Lol, nor mind them, dem b okpetu

AreaFada2:
codemeniac

Very many more:

Portuguese (P) Caneca is Ekalaka in Benin means mug/ cup for spirits/schnapps.

Serra (P) = 0sara (B) = saw for sawing wood

Limao (P) - Alimoi (B) - lime, orange

Aduana (P) = Adana (B) = Measuring bowl for garri or beans, popularly call "mudu"

Carreta (P) Ekarreta (B) = old entertainment dance.

Portuguese is so intertwined with Benin language that centuries from now, it will still remain. Sadly many Benin do not even know source or philology of words they use in Benin language daily.


The flowing robe of Benin chiefs is like the cassock of princes of the Catholic church (cardinals/bishops). This was a tacit move to turn Benin into a Catholic empire by Oba Esigie from 1504.

Dont mind them, on that very particular thread i knew that most people don't even know history but they rosh to comment most of them dont even know benin were the first to come in contact with the Europeans in nigeria

Etinosa1234 almost sent the yorubas to their early Graves the way he did to Tao,

I hope they will learn and not Harbour hatred towards the binis

codemaniacs:
so that's the only word you know..

sabi is a corruption of abi and shebi....

Am benin just like him....


Let me know if you want me to continue

AreaFada2

AreaFada2:
Ise!

Well, the title Eweka II says it all. It was another interregnum all over again. But this time with more "enemies" from outside. People previously part of Benin Empire until 1897 and Britain intent on crushing any opposition to colonial ambitions.

Benin renounced swathes of territory as part of the conditions for restoration. It was survival at that point. Imagine if Benin Kingdom was not yet restored by 1960.

Ancestors of these people arguing here would have written articles upon articles that there was never any monarch in Benin. Their would be plastering this this thread with those Propaganda articles write now calling it the truth.

Western Region would have probably manoeuvred and impose worse restoration conditions.

Awo would have sought to put Olu of Warri (for his unashamed tribalistic policies, since to him Nigeria was only a geographical expression) above Benin. His manoeuvre to raise Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri to led crisis in Old Warri province. It was settled by changing the name to Delta Province that still gave the name Delta State today.

Yes, modern generations won't understand the state of shock post 1897 and all the dark forces at play that Eweka II outwitted.

Eweka11 was very smart, there was no other tribe he could run to rather than the yorubas and their population was an advantage too,

Even when he was ranked 3rd, amongst the yoruba kings i believe he was so happy at those very moment to get a position as that, but the devil dont give anything for free, his history was rewritten for it, so as to be accepted as a son of oduduwa, but he wasnt bothered about it, he was happy going to the ooni palace participating in the ritual rites performed at the ooni palace,
Thanks to the ooni too most other kings would have taken more chances towards him, and i believed the ooni too was also honored to have the benin monarchy as an oduduwa son, during all this, most yorubas kings were not happy that the oba of benin was given that position because he couldn't even speak or hear yoruba, and marginalization sets in towards the edo people , and the other Yoruba kings started rewriting history demoting the benin obas, till benins followed suite, to rewrite history to favour them....

This is the chapter we are....... Now

AreaFada2:
Ise!

Well, the title Eweka II says it all. It was another interregnum all over again. But this time with more "enemies" from outside. People previously part of Benin Empire until 1897 and Britain intent on crushing any opposition to colonial ambitions.

Benin renounced swathes of territory as part of the conditions for restoration. It was survival at that point. Imagine if Benin Kingdom was not yet restored by 1960.

Ancestors of these people arguing here would have written articles upon articles that there was never any monarch in Benin. Their would be plastering this this thread with those Propaganda articles write now calling it the truth.

Western Region would have probably manoeuvred and impose worse restoration conditions.

Awo would have sought to put Olu of Warri (for his unashamed tribalistic policies, since to him Nigeria was only a geographical expression) above Benin. His manoeuvre to raise Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri to led crisis in Old Warri province. It was settled by changing the name to Delta Province that still gave the name Delta State today.

Yes, modern generations won't understand the state of shock post 1897 and all the dark forces at play that Eweka II outwitted.

Eweka11 and ovaramen are the kings i respect so much, the burning of benin by the British didnt stop benins from fighting, reinforcement was even coming esan for backup....
The tears and cries were too much to behold the warriors were still fighting even after benin was on fire, oba ovaramwen had to came out from hiding when he saw the burnings, he surrender and told his warriors to stop fighting,
Before esan warriors arrived benin had already surrender and they surrender too

My great grand dad followed ovaramwen
to clabar

Benin has always had great kings and great people too,

Edos as a whole is a divinely bless tribe.... Despite our little population we still being heard
Both in politics, sport, entertainment,

I just pray i get into power one day as a governor in edo state i will show the full 35 state edo has people who divinely bless

The British feared us till the very last moment they left nigeria, they didnt want to consider risking power back into our hands.....

TAO11:
Cry me the world’s oceans.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281275_ac62176072c64968b351344f75a97305_jpeg_jpegd403e34fe4158794a6a2cc4e4c683f47

https://www.nairaland.com/6097950/ayelala-benin-worship-dont-mind#93590343

cc: delishpot

Ozor she true trur still come

Tao11

https://www.nairaland.com/6097950/ayelala-benin-worship-dont-mind#93570597

delishpot:
Ok very valuable lesson in there.

I gues we benins, are now fully aware of the fraudulent history of oromiyan and ife attached to the benin history, my wish is to set our history in the correct path... So we can tell our children the correct history instead of giving them unending arguments, if we allow myths like that of the oromiyan tales that sprang up around early 1900 by the benins for political and cultural benefits from the yoruba people naturalized into our history am sorry but even our own children will one day regard all our history as myth all because it is not connecting to them, and we may also endup loosing them completely to the yorubas too
Lets devoid every benin history from any form of mythicism to safe guard of our true identity, we are benins the oba is a full fledged ancestory benin, forget the games that they are playing with yorubas and the tales of mystical oromiyan it is a political staged myth .... In my next post i will write more on it


The symbol of ayelala is a cross this cross can be found in benin, even before the arrival of the Portuguese among the benin people and even depicted on bronze it is not a Christian cross but an indigenous cross, ayelala is a benin idol just as olokun, and ogboni, they are not new, they are only new to the yoruba people

Watch how the yorubas will start to coin the yoruba etymology of the word ayelala to defend their points, but history is clear enough the cross on the ayelala symbol is that of benin


Pic 1 showing the benin bronze with an hanging cross on his neck

Pic 2, an ayelala shrine in benin

Note : after benin were ayelala is mostly worship the next is ondo and ekiti state were benin descendants can also be found unlike the other parts of yoruba


Aye means the name of the idol, lala means loud

Putting this two together it gives aye-sounding message

Ayellala is used to curse who so ever has stolen, lied, and people that do evi, l no evil doer can step in the shrine of ayelala or even even a wtch..... They will freeze

lx3as:
If gregyboy is all Binis have got as their moonlight tale historian, then they are in serious trouble.
Binis leant about Aiyelala from Ilajes. There are many Aiyelala threads on this forum.

One of them:

https://www.nairaland.com/3302934/ayelala-deity

If they check now yoy are not even in illaje probably one yoruba muslim guy from kwara who
Never step foot for south before

But won just join support the yoruba people

lx3as:
If gregyboy is all Binis have got as their moonlight tale historian, then they are in serious trouble.
Binis leant about Aiyelala from Ilajes. There are many Aiyelala threads on this forum.

One of them:

https://www.nairaland.com/3302934/ayelala-deity

Are you aware benin ventured into ondo in ancient days and some of the Benin who did never returned


Lol, i thought you guys were satisfied with TAO11
Comment on yorubas owning ayelala... I guess hers didnt satisy you too....


Lol, i think i have sent TAO11 back to her research lab she will back soon enough and bring in her unfruitful findings


The issue it is not for you to tell if i lied, let the people compare and see the truth


So if ilaje has a myth on the origin of ayelala then they must be the real owners abi, why do yorubas centre all their history on myth and still not ashamed to present them as fact

Just go you be oboro man in Ngige voice

AreaFada2:
Lol.
Everyone knows that post-1914, it became clear that the silly entity put together by the British would be a disaster.

So people began to consolidate relevance along ethnic and religious lines or both. Especially North & current SW.

Oduduwa & Oranmiyan stories were further embellished.

Alake recklessly ranked Oba of Benin as 3rd in Yorubaland. Alakes seem to like reckless talk sha, like the one in Western House of parliament about 70 years ago. Yet they say Oranmiyan left Benin to found Oyo monarchy.

Our SW people are confused about Oduduwa & Oranmiyan story. Too many versions that conflict. Which is a pity. Because many actually see the four walls of a school but remain rooted in ethnic ego massage and herd mentality. That's why I like my people from Eastern Yorubaland. Those born and raised there have a mind of their own. See Fayoshe. Even Aketi Arakunrin Akerodolu & Fayemi, despite being in Angry People's Catacombs of a party, they still do not kiss dry ass of beggar for "Aso Rock".

Even our cross-dresser friend TOA-TOA Christmas cracker here keeps quoting papers amateurishly cobbled together by Ibadan press pseudo-intellectuals that make no iota of sense.

Instead of humbly, objectively and dispassionately researching where Oduwawa truly came from. The dude travelled from Benin via Owo to enter Ife from the East.

Chai! The guy was so cool and regal that they thought he was a heavenly being. Benin to the Yorubas and to the World. Obaghator Kpere! Ise!

Gregyboy, ghostwon

Ise......

I dont really blame oba eweka 11, for our distorted history, it a good thing the distorted history was for a unifying purpose

Eweka11 was a true king and i respect him alot, if not for anything but for is wisdom, it wouldn't have been easy for we benins coming out from the effects of the war, with our little population if not for him
Today we are still standing next to the three big tribe in nigeria thanks to him for his bold and smart steps

My blames is this generation who tries to politicize and culturalize the whole diplomactic moves, particularly the yorubas who are using it for their own advantage and trying to yorubanise we benins

They dont know anything beyond amassing population, thanks to democracy that made having population useful


I know they are many benin royals from the palace who are on nairaland i hope they see the truth, and the great step taken by oba eweka11 to make benin what it is today.....

We all now know were the lines of both history were joined now

Eweka11 ghato kpere...... Ise

She is viewing

TAO11:
And what does this supposed name “Aye” of this supposed idol mean in Edo language??

And I almost forgot what does “lala” too mean in Edo language?

Break it down syllable by syllable!

Dem go begin to dey luku-luku.
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Btw, the word ”umogun” in the praise title of the Oba of Benin has absolutely nothing to do with the deity “Ogun”. You fraud!

Consider the screenshot below and tell me how the word “umogun” has any related meaning with the deity “Ogun”.

cc: macof

That why i told you and your coward brothers ogub is indigenous to benin and was introduced by the benins to eastern Yorubas who later introduced it to the entire yoruba people just like ayelala
When your referto the oba as umogun, you're simply saying the oba is as strong as an iron


The name

Aye = there is no
Ayevbosa, there is no one like god

Lala= sound waring

You get it from words like

Iyelala= mothers warnings

Ayelala = i guesd you already know

Ayelala = there is no sound warning beyond this


TAO11 i want your neck on my knees i hope you and your brothers don't crack a cold painful joke with this