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AreaFada2:
She must be on 'Aimiuwu' TV program kind of quest by now. Just dey give them work to keep dem busy. You are doing well.

TAO11:
I’m glad you just admitted publicly that everyone who knows you both online and offline think you’re a filthy dingbat.

TAO11:
Stop disgracing your people. You’ve been rendered a nuisance.

Name one person from everyone here who doesn’t think you’re a nuisance. Just one.

TAO11:
Stop disgracing your poor innocent family all over Nairaland.

People here have once seen your picture, and they probably know your innocent family which you’re striving hard to disgrace.

Eastlink:
I read all and observed the following.
1. Forefathers weaved, yet no date. Among all the respondents no one can point the date of when (the so-called ancient) Akwaocha began. People should not confuse the wearing of animal skins to weaving of cloth.

Who didn’t know that Asaba was the administrative capital of the Royal Niger Company. I even saw where clans like Ogwashi-uku, Isele-uku were dragging the origin of Alwaocha with Ubulu-uku. It’s even possible that the fore fathers were those whom the Royal Niger Company in Asaba used their lands for cotton plantation.

2. A dude was trying to link Benin to make us believe it’s ancient outlook. Yet, even the Benin’s themselves never had any of such industry as about that time. Now, you see where inferiority complex is fitting in the brains of these folks.

2. They used cotton to weave cloths, different from Akwaete people whose weaving were gotten from palm fronds, sea weeds and other indigenous crops. Even till now, Ibo masquerade wears is still sourced mainly from palmfronds. The use of cotton in Akwaete batik was added to increase commercial quantity inorder to mass produce. What does it tells you?

Eastlink:
Show us evidence of Ogwashiukwu, Asaba, Isele Ukwu weaving cloths in the 18/19th century and I’ll [s]show you pictures of their Bini overlords roaming naked[/s]. Akwette were the first weaved cloths in Iboland. Others who began wearing cloths learn’t from them.

TAO11:
In addition to the foregoing:

(1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which you often cling to irrationally.

And if you must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then make sure to provide your evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia.

(2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which you often cling irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. — Yet ‘terra-cotta’ is a precursor to ‘bronze’.

In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible.

(3) Also, if you must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have destroyed Owo’s artworks; then be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction.

TAO11:
Hahaha! My job is done. Benin kingdom have been murdered and given a befitting funeral in broad day light.

I have forced my dullard slave to run back to upholding Ife-Benin connection which his signature ironically opposes.

But instead of upholding the true historical and academically confirmed connection of Ife’s suzerainty over Benin, our dullard friend became insecure and clung instead to the fictitious Izoduwa narrative of Erediauwa and his band of 1970s revisionists — a narrative which has been thoroughly debunked in academia as an interesting nonsense. See link below for an example:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/16#92824839

I won’t push this page any further for now so that this particular last page that destroyed Benin kingdom won’t lose the necessary views. I know that’s your last desperate strategy now.

I really wonder how you will ever recover from the PTSD and the cognitive dissonance you’ve gotten from this page alone. Benin kingdom my fat black arse .

Even Tinubu laughed hard!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281274_99e0a1b6124842cabcf04ce2ca79bd4f_jpeg_jpegf9fd0a9be1b03aeefb053f51896e9126

Bye-bye and stop begging for likes. People won’t waste their time liking your crap.

Even your Edo brothers and your Igbo friends didn’t see the need to waste their likes on your bull craps.

And btw, @OfoIgbo where are your replies to my refutation of your nRi propaganda ?? Hahaha E be things.

Modified:
The ‘bronze’ figure of the then Ooni of Ife which was excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom dates to c. A.D. 1300. ~ Refer to the above-embedded image of the figure culled from S.P Blier, 2012:77.

While on the other hand, the earliest of the earliest dates obtained for both non-Ife Yoruba artworks and Benin artworks is c. A.D. 1420. ~ Refer to the already cited reference to Robin Horton above.

In conclusion: This bronze figure found in the place of Benin kingdom could therefore not logically or historically have come from another Yoruba polity considering the dates.

Moreover, the regalia — as has already been fully and thoroughly demonstrated — matches ONLY the regalia of the ancient Kings of Ife.

Q.E.D.

darfay:
Loool @ 5 lga(actually 7)
But that 5(7) lga is bigger in landmass than all Igbo states except maybe only Enugu
Just stating the obvious, no harm meant

AreaFada2:
Chai. You still didn't get my ridicule of you for the name. I now see for real that you are not really as smart as you like to claim.

Despite clearly putting your goofing to you, you still did not get it. You are talking of dymonyms.

Nor be only franca lingua Na Jennifer Lingua.
Abeg do not use big words you do not know.

It's the other way round: lingua franca.

So a Palace holding/deputising babalawo (Ooni) is greater than a full king (Alaafin)? Only in your part of Yorubaland.

We are not fooled by modern politics to try unite Ya. Riba. Count Ado-Akure out.

Etinosa
Gregyboy
Etinosa

Olu317:
Lol. Pained over your ignorance that Alaafin is historically lower to Oni? Let me allow you continue to wallow with your shame because give or take, you have a Yoruba name . This, is the, power of Yoruba language as Franca lingua in Edo land.

Oviedo in Spain and Oviedo Edo land are false cognate because , Spain's Oviedo is not a demonym ��� but a city which amongst others has a football (Soccer) team. Don't cry over spilled milk.

We dont need lecture over Spain's city's because we are familiar with history and cities.So stay put and bear your ancestral identity . After all, even Oba Bini 1896-97 acknowledged the fact that Oranmiyan, was a white man!���. See people, see inferiority complex.

scholes0:
These people have to be the biggest history distorters Nigeria will ever see.
It is like Hausa people saying the Jihad never happened and their kings aren't Fulanis because the palace titles are in Hausa language

geosegun:
Omo Olofi Ajaiye - You just shred @Gregyboy into oblivion. I doff my cap for you o. You too much... I look forward to meeting you, olu317 and a few others someday...

TAO11:
A scholar informs you of a find and you need the picture to know if there is truly such find — if not the scholar is lying.


You have to stop embarrassing your family even if you yourself have no brain.

Or do you have a brain? — send me a picture of it if you insist that you do. Otherwise you don’t.

TAO11:
A scholar informs you of a find and you need the picture to know if there is truly such find — if not the scholar is lying.


You have to stop embarrassing your family even if you yourself have no brain.

Or do you have a brain? — send me a picture of it if you insist that you do. Otherwise you don’t.

Timekeeper:
It will take u 6000 years b4 u can be able to compete with tao... Dt lady is superb

AreaFada2:
Chai! You forced a Conehead-Igbo collabo on top Benin matter. If you know they are water and oil, you'll see what a massive thing you have done. You really pepper them. Ere n'ekhere.

Timekeeper:
No likes for u at alll see as u dey disgrace ursef

O to gun abi u meant to say o to ge .. That lady floored u... I swear

TAO11:
Stop disgracing your family.

TAO11:
@gregyboy, it appears that my job of letting folks realize that you’re a nuisance actually works out after all.

cc: Mraphel, Christistruth00, ..., AreaFada2

TAO11:
cc: geosegun

In addition to the foregoing:

(1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which he often clings to irrationally.

And if he must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then he must make sure to provide his evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia.

(2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which he often clings irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. — Yet ‘terra-cotta’ is a precursor to ‘bronze’.

In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible.

(3) Also, if he must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have dEsTrOyEd Owo’s artworks; then he must be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction.

Cheers!

lathrowinger:
Ooni is the number 1

TAO11:
cc: geosegun

In addition to the foregoing:

(1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which he often clings to irrationally.

And if he must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then he must make sure to provide his evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia.

(2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which he often clings irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. — Yet ‘terra-cotta’ is a precursor to ‘bronze’.

In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible.

(3) Also, if he must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have dEsTrOyEd Owo’s artworks; then he must be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction.

Cheers!

Karanka:
Thanks plenty for this.
You see,I've been noticing some similarities in Benin language and Igbo,as well as Benin culture and Igbo.
I just wish to know more.
I believe the real truth of the history of many ethnic groups in Nigeria has been deliberately hidden, and false narratives propagated,even when they don't corroborate with evidences on ground.
Do you know of a place called Okokugbo in Ewvotubu,Benin?

SaintBeehot:
chestbeaters

TAO11:
Stop disgracing Benin Kingdom.

TAO11:
You mean I should show you evidence for your own attachment??
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Btw same folks, here is an interesting link for your enjoyment.

TAO11:
Like I did sometimes in the course of the week, I also won’t be pushing this page further so that your joke, downfall, and delusions can be witnessed by as many views as possible.

I have obviously done you strong thing. Your original plan was to defend Benin kingdom, but now you’re disgracing Benin kingdom.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12309685_668c998e8893433fbaf39d9b378b2578_jpeg_jpeg0e2b6593918df46451be74114847971c

Moreover, evidence for your lie about the Olowo or 600 years for your.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12301183_ff6b85c3ad57474484c063b093181dc3_jpeg_jpeg8421690b69e5da85ef6252256d76dc5e

I really pray that you recover from all that has hit you lately.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Emir is not the only word used by Islamic rulers, you dullard.

The king of Itsekiri is a prince of the Oba of Benin — and as such is not related to the Ogiamien family of Benin.

His title is “Ogiame” — a Benin word which means “King over the waters”. He uses this Benin word as his title because of his Benin lineage, despite ruling over a Yoruba subgroup.

“Ogiame” (which is his title) is different from “Ogiamien” (aka “Ogiamwen”) which is a another family of Benin who are against the Oba’s family.

I hope you’re aware that “you have indeed gone mad” is not an evidence.

My challenge to you again is as follows:

“Provide any evidence [or account] from Owo where the king claims to be of Bini origin or where the kingdom claims to have ever been under Benin”.

Clearly Owo (unlike Itsekiri, at al.) never used any of the Benin territorial titles (such as: “Ogiame”, “Enogie”, “Orodje”, etc.) for its monarchy at any time in the course of its history.

First, the word for “King”, etc. in Edo language is “Ogie” plain and simple. This is not an assumption. In fact it is you who must prove otherwise if you must insist otherwise.

But I’m quite glad that you’re quick to drop that “Ogie” = “Royalty” fraud. It seems you’re not willing to accept that the Oba’s wife is “Ogie”.

No, I think the gods of Yorubaland are driving you insane for calling your Obas (and their ancestors) various unprintable names just because they utterances does not agree with your inferiority complex.

“Ogie” is not “Prince”, rather “Ogie” is “King”.

Also “Ogie” is not “Duke”. “Duke” is a English concept alien to Benin but borrowed mindlessly by inferior Benin.

“Ogie” is simply the Edo word for “King”.

I hope you won’t finally commit suicide.

In any case, “Oba” is a Yoruba word for “King” which appeared suddenly in Edo lexicon and almost replaced the original indigenous Edo word for “King” completely.

Evidence for this dry joke or 600 years suffering for you.

But in the meantime, here is an interesting read for you:

https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

Yes, “Oba” came to feature in the Edo language later courtesy of Yoruba, hence the reason why the word “Oba” has no monarch related meaning in the language of the Edo people except in Yoruba language.

Stop his fathers from answering their names which he later came to answer.

“Only the Benin rulers could correspond to the Yoruba “standard” in the Edo-speaking world ... [because] the Yoruba did not influence the political system of other Edo-speaking peoples ... whose rulers are not called Oba”. ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, 2003, p.71.

First of all the oba of Lagos till date still use his royal title alongside the word oba just as any Yoruba king. So, there was never any change. You’re imagining too much.

Open your cranium for the umpteenth time to understand that the Yoruba word oba is simply a common noun which applies to any Yoruba person who is “King”.

Whenever you see the word oba let your dry brain think of the word “king”. Simple!

The royal titles used alongside the Yoruba word for “king” (i.e. “Oba” ) — e.g. “Ooni”, “Alaafin”’ etc. are the proper nouns for the specific obas of specific kingdoms, just as the proper noun (or royal title) for the Benin oba is ”Omo N’Oba” (child of the king”).

““Ooni” is Oba of Ife” or “the Oba of Oyo is Alaafin”“ ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, 2003, p.71.

He clearly can’t stop his father from using the name which they permitted him to use from their own language.

I am waiting for evidence or 600 years.


Could this be the evidence I’ve been asking for??

Started using ”Oba” or what did I just read??

How can Oba be an Edo word when it has no meaning in the Edo language except in the Yoruba language.

I have challenges you severally to present a sylllable-by-syllable translation of the word ”Oba” in the Edo language. Why are you s read?

Moreover, I have presented an example of 1800s use of the word “Oba” for the kings who own the word — the Yoruba kings.

No, if the list was made today just as it is shown in your attachment here without any mention of the first and last names of the obas; then it will still remain without the pre-fix “Oba” before the name.

Lol. The difference here is that you fraudulently included the actual names of the obas in which case your attachment didn’t.

If your attachment were to also include the actual names of those obas, then their names would of course be prefixed with oba because that is who they are.

The phrase “Oba of Benin” is not a traditional Benin tittle. The word “oba” for “king” in that phrase was introduced early to Benin, granted.

But the proper noun (or royal title) was and his traditionally “Omo n’Oba n’Edo” — just as his Oyo counterpart will have “Alaafin Oyo”.

Funny enough, I never said the titles would be necessarily for any king in Edo State — of course there are at least two different “Obas within Edo state.

So, my point was not about Edo State whic is a modern construct. My point was about territories that were traditionally ruled by Benin princes on behalf of the Oba of Benin — such territories may be found inside or outside of modern Edo state.

Also my point was not about the word “Ogie” alone. I gave a list which includes:

“Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, ”Enogie”, “Ovie”, “Orodje”, “Onojie”, etc.

This was never the case with any Yoruba-subgroup except the Itsekir. And interestingly, only the account of the Itsekiris confirm the Binis’ claim.