TAO11: I know for sure that I’m about to pieces and shatter your wooden heart because you must have prayed hard that I should ignore you, so you can continue deluding yourself to bed tonight.
This is about the third time or fourth time I will be posting this to you, yet you pretend each time that I haven’t quoted any such thing despite attempting once to reply to it but only to end up shooting yourself in the skull.
Here you go again dullard. Read carefully and cry yourself to sleep again:
I wrote that A.F.C. Ryder, 1965’s hypothesis as well as Williams, 1974’s (which Lawal, 1977 follows) have been thoroughly debunked by subsequent archaeological finds.
I also noted that Ryder’s unfamiliarity with certain information such as the significance of Oba Eweka’s morning ritual to Ife while facing eastward towards the rising sun at dawn also contributed to his confusion and misinterpretation.
The following are Ryder’s precise words which I have now over-quoted :
“Curiously, Ryder, in pursuing his argument, does so in full awareness of a fact which one might have expected to moderate his enthusiasm for it. Here, I refer to the ritual in which the Oba of Benin addresses prayers to his forefathers at Ife through an eastward facing window at dawn, thus making an identification (albeit a symbolic one) between Ife and the east.* Far from sounding a note of caution in the face of this fact, he regards it as yet further evidence that the original home of the Eweka dynasty was not Ife but some more easterly or north-easterly center. His reasoning seem to be that, since the symbolism of dawn and east is alien to Ife or indeed Yoruba religious life, the ritual must represent a relatively recent grafting of the idea of Ife as dynastic home, on to a more ancient practice directed to the real dynastic home in the east or north-east.
In fact, as further information now makes plain, Ryder’s interpretation of this ritual is misguided. To start with, if we turn to Dahomey, on the opposite margin of our region, we find much the same identification. Thus Maupoil, in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually does correspond with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.* Again, several scholars have noticed, there is an epithet widely current in our region which praises the city as: “Ife, creator of the world, whence come the dawn”.* Far from being something isolated and alien, then, this symbolic association of Ife with dawn and the east is something highly characteristic of the region.
Had Ryder known of this background to the Oba’s dawn prayers, he would surely have drawn somewhat different conclusions ... And had he taken this into account, he would surely have been less enthusiastic about his “look anywhere but west” approach.
Further information has also cast doubt on the iconographic arguments with which Ryder buttresses his case [b]Thus we now have several examples of the Maltese-cross symbols on terra-cotta materials excavated at Ife[/b].* And the presence of this symbol in the city’s archaeological deposits vitiates the argument [with which Ryder buttresses his case], ... Again, we now have several examples of the “cat’s-whisker” facial mark on terra-cotta heads excavated at “classical” Ife sites. And the presence of this mark vitiates yet another argument.* ... Oddly, he himself acknowledges in a footnote the existence of one “cat’s whisker” head excavated at Ife. But rather than allow it cast doubt on his argument, he treats it as the exception that proves the rule. With discovery of several such pieces, however, such special pleading, already dubious, becomes totally unacceptable.
Nor are the Maltese cross and the “cat’s-whisker” the only Bini motifs for which Ife counterparts have been established over the past few years. On the contrary, recent excavations at Ife have revealed a whole series of motifs previously thought to be peculiar to Benin.*
Along with the new iconographic findings, we have also acquired an impressive series of dates. Application of carbon-14 and thermoluminescience [sic] techniques to excavated materials has enabled us to assign approximate absolute dates to several major Ife settlement levels and to the terra-cotta and brass works associated with them. Dates for terra-cotta pieces range from c. A.D. 1000 onward; whilst dates for brass pieces range from c. A.D. 1275 to c. A.D. 1440. Application of these techniques to materials from Owo and Benin has also enabled us to assign dates to some of the ”classical” terra-cotta and brass-work associated with these cities. Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*.”
~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), pp. 85-87.
I need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture,
I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east
You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene
Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them
Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information,
Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true
Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife, Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own tasteolowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article
Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace
TAO11: It appears we’re to both heading along the same lines to the effect that horses were clearly in use (although in rare use) in the southern Nigeria forest region from early times.
Many scattered pieces of evidence now strongly indicate that. And one such evidence which I was certainly going to bring up (thanks for suggesting it) is from the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronze’ works.
However, I wouldn’t be quick to label it as a 9th century work since many subsequent scholarly disclaimers now undermine those early radio-carbon dates submitted by Thurstan Shaw.
The contemporary scholarly consensus (including Thurstan Shaw’s himself), however, now appears to be in favour of a much later date. But this is not the specific point I intend to discuss here — at least not now.
Moreover, I am not aware of any such ”bronze figure of a mounted horseman from Igbo-Ukwu” to be honest. Can you please direct me to one such work from the Igbo-Ukwu corpus?
What I am aware of instead is the presence of a horse’s head as a motif among the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronze’ works, and this clearly is an indication of the early use of horses (of course rare use considering tsetse fly) in the southern Nigeria forest region.
In addition to the Igbo-Ukwu horse’s head motif‘, there are a body of other evidence which strongly point to the use of horses in the southern Nigeria forest region — particularly as early as the 10th century.
One of such evidence is found the body of strongly held ancient Yoruba traditions one of which makes mention of horses in at least one verse of Odu-Ifa.
Also, a strongly held body of Ife royal traditions is unambiguous in its description of the significant part horses played (not merely as a prestigious royal possession) but particularly in Ife’s trade during Oduduwa’s reign — that is, c. 900 A.D./c. 1000 A.D.
In fact, Ife appears to have, for some time, had an early monopoly of horse trade in Yorubaland. This would appear to account for the southern Ekiti proverb which states that he who desires to own a horse must buy one from heaven through Ife.
Moreover, it is also known that some very ancient shrines in parts of Yorubaland (including Ife itself) feature sculptures of deities riding on horse back.
In conclusion: What appears palpably perceptible from the foregoing body of evidence (especially those which shows that horses were the prized possessions of the early Ife royal court, as well as a key part of early Ife’s long distance fleet) is that your conclusion that Oranmiyan (a prince of Ife’s prestigious royal court) must have left Ife for Benin (on the authority of the Ooni) bare footed is far-fetched and extremely unlikely to say the least.
What appears most likely then on the other hand (in the light of the available body of evidence) is that he embarked on the long trip to Benin obviously with the permission of the Ooni, and as such with a full royal assemblage which included horses.
This conclusion moreover — unlike its opposite — has a scholarly support as may be seen in the conclusion of Paula Ben-Amos Girshick.
You keep quoting scholarly works,
This days works are appreciated with evidence and not with words......
I can wite anything that comes out from oral account which can be influenced by people selfish motives, but what distinguish good works From others is evidence
Can you support with a strong evidence ife had horses with the datings and archeological findings
TAO11: You just keep shooting yourself in the head due to blind bigotry.
Sorry I understand why you feel miserable. I may actually feel worse if it was I who was at the Bini/receiving end of the heat.
Having said that, Babatunde Lawal could not possibly have addressed any of the later archaeological evidence adduced by Robin Horton even if he was a magician. You know why?:
He couldn’t possibly do that because he (Babatunde Lawal was writing in 1977 following in Williams’ 1974 footstep); while Robin Horton on the other hand was writing in 1979 based on new evidence that wasn’t available at the time.
So, the actual key question for you is to show me HOW (not even WHERE here) B. Lawal could possibly have addressed those new evidence.
Like I have expected, your eyes were covered by an enormous flood of tears.
TAO11: Evidence for this dry joke or 600 years for you. Cry!
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The present king of Auch is an Islamic monarch.
I gave the following list as the title for kings ruling in the interest of the Benin king:
Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie
And yes, the king of Itsekiri bears on of them because he is of Bini heritage — his title is “Ogiame” till date despite ruling over a Yoruba subgroup.
Provide any account from Owo where the king claims to be of Bini origin or where the kingdom claims to have ever been under Benin.
Anyways, thank you for proving that Owo was never under Benin rule — they never use any of the titles at anytime, viz. Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie
Thank you for proving that the Lagos monarch was never from Benin.
Moreover, I don’t miss any opportunity to prove yourself as a true dullard.
You are trying hard to hide the fact that “Ogie” is the actual original Edo word for “King” so that you won’t be asked to explain “Oba”.
You then fooled yourself and shot yourself in the head by suggesting that “Ogie” simply means “royalty”.
However, “royalty” is a collective noun which describes anybody of royal status — from the king himself, to any of his wives, any of his children, of any of his paternal extended family.
Or are you prepared to claim that the Edos regard the King’s wives as “Ogie”??
“Ogie” refers specifically to only one member of the royal family at a time. “Ogie” is the Edo word for “king”, etc. “Oba” on the other hand is alien to Edo language because it comes from the Yoruba language.
Otherwise, provide a syllable-for-syllable translation of the word “Oba” in Edo language.
Evidence for your super-story or 600 years suffering for you.
Moreover, thank you for proving that the Lagos monarchy is not paternally related to the Binis’, otherwise the title would have followed one of the general Benin styles.
The following are the titles used for all the obas who have ruled Lagos Island historically: “Olofin”, “Olori-Ogun”, “Ologun”, “Eleko”, and very recently/present “Olowo-Eko”.
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Evidence for your super-story or 600 years for you.
Big fat lie from the black stenchy anus of Erediauwa.
The king of Agbede in Etsako West in your Edo is Oba.
Why does your Erediauwa not stop him during his days? Nonsense and Edo state!
Lol, the title for the name of the king in auchi is not an Islamic name.....
1)It is called the ataru of auchi..... Which ought to be emir of auchi if indeed if title has anything to do with religion
2) the king of itsekeris family name is ogiemen and not his title, his royal title is olu of itsekeris
3) provide evidence that benin ruled owo, you have indeed gone mad
4) even if ogie is king if we are to assume so, they must be a name to distinguish their overlord Abi have the gods in Yoruba gone insane for bring yoruba children of this generation without brains , even in the British dynasty there is a distinction of names between their royaltys The king of England The price of Wales The dukes And the others
Lol, the yorubas indeed are all mad
There was never a relationship between ife and benin before the creation of nigeria, after the creation of nigeria for the reasons of ethnic and political benefits there became a need to rewrite history by the benins to accommodate them as Yorubass
Words like, obaseki, obarisagbon and much more
Just the way the oba didnt stop the entire yoruba monarchy from using the title oba, thesame way he didnt stop the British from changing the name of lagos monarchy from eleko to eko to oba of lagos The same way he wont stop anybody who is not bounded as a benin by tribe from bearing the title Oba as long as you are not benin you will be allowed .......
The yorubas rushed this opportunity it was like orishirishi to them, mad coward tribe
TAO11 you just want me to talk
Here is a screenshot of the names of royal kings in nigeria before youlrubas started using the title oba
If that list was made today this how the title will be
1) alafin of oyo, hrm oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi III 2)alake of abekuta, hrm oba Aremu gbamumu And so on.....
According to TAO11 all the kings which trace origin to benin should be having their title ogie, But funny enough even in edo state not all monarchy are title ogie
geosegun: Do you have any other things do at all? Aside from Ife vs Benin history?
IFE brought about the Benin civilisation and IFE is the progenitor of Benin royal house-FACT. A millions+ of trolls like you can never re write history. Learn to live with this fact young man or go and get a life.
Then you have to bring evidence Dating from 1497 to 1897, edo wamnabe mtcheew
You think we edos can be lumped under one mythical oduduwa entity for political gains, you must be mad,
Mraphel: That Edo story was narrated to the BBC by the Edos still u saw myths in the articles. How on earth can Oranmiyan a prince walk from Ife to Igodomigodo without a horse.? The early Yorubas sold several horses to many tribes including the Fulani tribes only that the Fulani retained it longer than everyone.
Am coming for your head tomorrow hide it, ir else.....
If i burst your bubbles woukd you offer me your nunu for my compensation... Lol
TAO11: Lies from the pit of Erediauwa’s anus. Your evidence or 600 years for you.
(A) The eyewitness accounts from Benin confirms that:
(1) The Kings of Benin regards the Edo people of Benin as his slaves — he even gave them a nickname which they are very proud of, viz. “King’s Slaves”.
(2) Another Benin account tells us that the ”King’s’s Slaves” are sacrificed annually to the deities.
(3) Lastly, the testimony of a Bini curator admits unashamedly that the deities worshipped in Benin are actually Yoruba deities. Refer to time-stamp 1:27:
(4) In conclusion: The Edos (who are the Kings’ slaves by default) are sacrificed annually to Yoruba deities by the Yoruba King ruling over the Edos in Benin. . . (B) Regarding Lagos, show me where a ‘Lagos’ oba was titled “Ogie”, “Ogiamien”, “Ogiame”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, “Enogie”, or “Ovie”, among others.
Those are the actually titles adopted by kings of Benin patrilineal origin who rule remote territories on behalf of the King of Benin.
Show me one such example in the history of Lagos, or one eyewitness account from the 1600s which says that the Binis settled in Lagos by conquest — just one.
Recently, one of your brothers @ghoston shot himself in the head by actually providing an account (collected and published in 1845) which proves that the name “Eko” was in fact named by the Ijebus.
Mad woman....
Like i said stoo forcing it...... Benin-ife was a lie
Jeez cant you just accept the painful truth
Mugu.....
Are you saying the king of auchi bears enogie, Or the itsekiri bears enogie, or the king of owo bears ogie are their ancestors not still benin royals
As longs as your royal linage comes from benin, you will be regarded as ogie(royalty)
Lagos monarchy would be called ogie eko in benin the title given to lagos monarchy was eleko neko, the British changed to a more simpler pronunciation oba since they found it difficult to pronounce is original title, since they knew his throne was benin so they called him oba instead
Ozwor a king does not necessarily need it, to is title before he will be regarded as ogie
Only the the king of benin bears the title oba
So if everyone is ogie what name would be used to differentiate the supiorior one amongst all of kings bearing ogie
Ok let me make it lame to you deft yorubas
PRESIDENT =oba Governors=ogie
Sultan =oba Emur=ogie
King =oba. Dukes=ogie
Note =the suprior always have a unique name everyone cannot bear ogie including their suprior
TAO11: (1) Evidence for all your super-stories or 600 years for you.
(2) “Uhe” has already been documented in Benin writing as “Ife” before your Erediauwa’s pr!ck would manage to grow its first hair. In any case, let’s just pretend that “Uhe” s “Uganda” just so you can find sleep tonight.
(3) Ekaladerhan was not invented by Erediauwa. The story of Ekaladerhan had in Benin traditions long before Erediauwa or his father was born.
(4) The story begins with Ekaladerhan’s banishment from Benin to Ughoton, and ended with Ughoton where Ekaladerhan lived his life.
(5) It wasn’t until in the 1970s at the instigation of the fraudulent incoming Oba Erediauwa that a fraudulent aspect was added to the story.
(6) And the fraudulent aspect was that Ekalderhan resurrected from Ughoton grave yard and travelled to Ife to become Oduduwa. Lies from the deep pit of Erediauwa’s black and stenchy anus.
(7) Your Facebook poster is obviously you yourself or one of your brothers — if not, then there are many dullards in Benin who don’t even know their right from their left.
TAO11 go back to your hideout and read more benin history i bet you haven't scratched the surface yet......
You're confused i blocked all your lies ahead before you even release them
ibrutex: I think it's high time Nairaland need to monitor and discard some irrelevant comments and delete them if need be .
Take for instance someone seeking advice on an urgent issue like having issue with spouse , then you started seeing all this jambite asking for charger or exchanging words which eventually occupies most of the first- three pages ,by the time reasonable people want to make comment it may land on last page ...
funniest part is most of this irrelevant commenter are 24hrs on the forum ,so they always book space .
TAO11: And as for Williams whose hypothesis is particularly one of a non-Ife origin for the Benin artworks, Robin Horton refutes him as follows:
"This is not to say that some of the facts to which Williams in particular has drawn attention pose no difficulties for the consensualists. But it is to say that the difficulties are no longer insuperable. Indeed, I myself can think of at least one way in which one might plausibly reconcile the undeniable technical differences between the Ife and Benin brass traditions with the consensual postulate of Ife inspiration of the Benin work. Thus one can start by supposing that when the Ife brass-casters went to Benin, they encountered an already flourishing terra-cotta or mud-sculpture tradition, in which considerable quantities of dung were mixed with the moulding clay, and in which complex armatures were used to hold large figures together. Given the dependence of brass-casting on clay work, the in-coming Ife technique might well, in such circumstances, have been grafted on to the indigenous Benin terra-cotta or mud technique to produce a new tradition. Such a tradition would have been distinct in technique from both its sources, but would also have owed something to both.* Other ways of reconciling the new facts with the earlier orthodoxy may occur to the interested reader.
As regards the alternative interpretations offered by Ryder and Williams, the recent evidence makes these look decidedly improbable. By-passing Ife and looking to the Benin confederacy, Jukun confederacy or Idah as possible homes of the Ogane now seems far-fetched, to say the least. By-passing Ife and looking to sixteenth-century Portuguese craftsmen for the origin of the Benin brass tradition would now be nothing short of perverse. ...
Summing up, I would say that Obayemi's critique, like the efforts of Ryder and Williams before him, has been rendered out of date by fresh information.”
~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), pp. 87-90
In conclusion then, it is only an Edo dullard like you who will debunk himself (by quoting from a work specifically written for that purpose) without even realizing it because his eyes are already covered in hot tears.
And the works of babatunde lawal that came later after Robbins rubbish statement
Listen up dullard — Chief Egharevba did not add a single thing to the Ekaladerhan story which has already been documented before him in H.L. Roth, 1903, p.53-54.
The story ended with Ekaladerhan fleeing Benin to Ughoton and ultimately being allowed by the Binis to live his independent free life in Ughoton, but being disallowed to come back to Benin.
And Egharevba’s account of 1934 agrees with this earlier account.
So, stop trying to deceive your people (just because you’re convinced that they’re dullards) into thinking that Egharevba was being accused by the Yorubas of fabricating an Ekaladerhan story. Nope! No Yoruba accuses him of that.
Moreover, Egharevba never fabricated the story. The same story of Ekaladerhan has been in circulation long before he himself was born, and it was documented by Roth in 1903 before Egharevba also did in 1934.
The only fabrication that occurs subsequently is the later 1970s addition to the story by your then incoming king Erediauwa and his revisionist rats.
Your then incoming Oba Erediauwa infomed his rats in the 1970s to add that Ekaladerhan later resurrected after he has lived his life at Ughoton and then fled to Ife, under the fictional name Izoduwa, when no one was actually chasing him.
So, stop trying to add the name of Yorubas to your mess. Yorubas have nothing to the with the Ekalderhan story — whether the authentic story itself (which ends at Ughoton), or the additional fraud courtesy of Erediauwa.
I wonder how and why Ekaladerhan later left Ughoton when the original documented account of 1903 says clearly that: “His independent sovereignty [at Ughoton] was allowed [by the Binis], but he was never to return to Benin.” ~ H.L. Roth, 1903, p.54.
Moreover, historians today have now regarded that particular fraudulent addition to the Ekalderhan story, by Erediauwa & Co., as an interesting nonsense.
So, our Oodua Atewonro Adimula Olofin Aiye is not one and the same person as your Ekaladerhan.
Yes, your prince was banished from Benin to Ughoton where he then lived as king and died — so go search for him in the Ughoton grave yards.
For the last time, stop bringing Yorubas into any of the two versions of your Ekalderhan’s story — be it the earlier and authentic version that ends at Ughoton, or the fraudulent version which claims he later resurrected. We have absolutely no stake in the story. . . .
Meanwhile and having said that, here is an interesting $1,000,000 question for you Binis/Edos:
Where are Bini people and their Kings’ progenitors from?
[s](A) Ife according to the standard Benin narrative[/s] (B) The Sky according to the Benin mythology. (C) Europe according to the 1823 Benin account. (D) Egypt according to Egharevba’s 1953 edition. (E) All of the above.
You may use any of the following lifelines:
(1) Ask the audience, (2) Phone a friend, or (3) 50-50.
Attaching to fraudulent ife, was a political move and nothing beyond it,
Just the way yorubas took the name oba to represent their king was a cultural move to upgrade their history
So idiot you knew the original history of ekaladeran and you still wanted to play your slyish game..... Mugu
Oba Erediauwa narrative of ekaladeran brought uhe which he equated as ife, the uhe you were running your fraudulent mouth on , wouldn't have been possible if nor Erediauwa rewriting history,
Tao11 always tag me when you are having a discussion on benin topics please i beg you don't let me find it myself
AreaFada2 the screenshot is for you.... I think you still believe on the benin-oduduwa myth you need to free yourself from that bro....
GarangDeMabior: Tell me one thing a sane human being will fight over Edo state.
Is it witchcraft or witchery?
Which one.
mbok.
TAO11 see your fellow desperados, this one is trying to break every link igbo have with Beni by fire and tunder, while youre doing the opposite with yoruba,....
Anyway our ancestors were never cowards so they never gave birth to one, we go treat una Bleep up like we did in the past.....
Jfix: Please nairalanders I'm 23, turning 24 next Month October and I have never asked a girl out. The truth is that I have been scared, literally afraid of talking to them, I do have female friends But Occasionally when it comes to asking any girl I liked out, I just go off not being able even communicate my feeling to them.
I do see teenagers of 16 and 17 years claiming to be in a relationship and I wonder how is that possible.
This is irritating because I hang of with guys and we all try to boost of being smart and sharp guys but deep down I know that I'm just blabbing cause when the opportunity comes I just find a way to avoid it.
I'm i a simp or do everyone goes through the same thing and I might overcome it later please let me know cause it really embarrassing to know a problem and still act like everything is okay.
See my style.... Most times i meet a lady i really dont have anything to say so i just walk up to her and say anything mostly rubbish that has no meaning, the lady self go smile.... Bcus she understands, then you go ask her why is she smiling, she go say nothing, discussion don start Wala
Or when they are in pairs then you have to comfort yourself plan your game, proper try to signal d lady u wanna go and meet with eye contact..... While preparing what to say, just try to listen to their discussion, from there you can enter...
The main necessity in all this is liver, boldness just have little youre good to go....
Rejection is inevitable even to the alpha males
The rejection wen i don get for mylife for this women folk suppose make me gay... For life but even d best of bests still get rejected
AreaFada2: My brother their MU-MU Na caste iron, follow come type. Benin casters must have cast into them. The Great Oba Erediauwa was born in 1923. In 1933, The Great skillful fearless Oba Akenzua II was Secretary to the his father The Great indefatigable and unique Restorer Oba Eweka II. That year, Akenzua as prince read the first manuscript of Dr J. U. Egharevba's A Short History of Benin to his father Eweka II.
So prince Solomon at the age of 10 in 1933 was making up Ekaladerhan story for Dr Egharevba while his father and grandfather looked on.
This was a very difficult and delicate time for the newly restored Kingdom. Eweka II could only do so much correction. In any case Ibadan press people still had enough leverage to muddy the water subsequently.
See even in 2020. Imagine the lot here had the power to publish or refuse a history book written by an Edo man.
Big mumu she b, her desperation is beyond anything i have seen in mylife..... It is out of this world.... Her desperation had help all of us, atleast we know were the both history are drawn
The first history written on ekaladeran aroun eaely 1920 never included ekaladeran going to ife
The quote was like a banished prince of the king waged war with his uncle and came victorious
Guy it is obvious oromiyan was false tale to unite benin with yoruba but the trumpet blew when they started their yoruba tribalism
Keraxes: Not your foolish and ugly oba of Benin business. Ooni of ife and tinubu are both Yoruba. Go and tell your wretched most foolish oba of Benin to go to hell
Lol, the ooni is already in hell we dont want that for our oba
Connected1: Walk up to the girl and just say anything that comes to your mind. You might regret it but believe me the experience you get from there will help for the next try. Don't be scared of rejection, them still dae reject me till today sef, I once had three plain rejections in a day because I don't like girls beating about the bush.
Lol, i got one rejection today but am planning to beg her for friends with benefit... Lol
TAO11: Go and committ incest. Isn’t it okay in Benin? Your Oba has led by example.
Mugu.... Only you calls the Ekaladerhan story made up by our oba Erediauwa , but you still uphold that the oba of benin is regarded as a man from uhe.....
If there is no Ekaladerhan would there be uhe....
Mugu....
Same you go against oduduwa coming from sky as a myth, or even coming from libya abi saudi arabia as a myth, but preferred him coming from ife, all to attack me and prove your point, but funny enough thesame you support ogiso who were mythical kings from sky coming to rule benin and your imaginery oromiyan displaced them, just to claim the benin royal stool
Tao11 desperation kills and destroys desist fron it i beg of you
Just thesame way you said that the 1300Ad sculpture found in benin was that of ife because of its chest badge symbol, when we know that both ife and owo shared thesame artisans if there was to be a uniquesness on the both clan it should have been on their scarification, but still they share thesame scarification, olowo also made it know that before the arrivals of benins they had been purchasing arts from merchants who were selling them, and that they never had guild system for artisans, same could be said for ife too, so it all boils to the fact that both sculpture were coming from one source and the uniqueness was not determined by their purchaser but the artesians, Most owo sculpture didnt survived because of the war they had with benins, if not we may have seen more of their copper sculptures they purchased from merchants
This is to say the artworks was not unique to their clans, or having attributes to both of their culture it is more of what the purchaser liked and what was available
Culture › Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by gregyboy(m): 2:50pm On Sep 11, 2020
