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TAO11:
Your elder sister is in the bush. She’s waiting for your quickie as usual.

Let the tears roll!

I just finished with your sister next is you my mask is still on... Lol

Ozo the ozwor

TAO11:
What else do you want?

Is Uhe not Uganda again?

I want your sticking pussy i will give it to you wearing my nose mask

TAO11:
Okay I’ve heard:

Oduduwa of Uhe = Oduduwa of Ughoton (or even Uganda).

Ur pussy

There was never oduduwa wake up from yoyr desperate feeling


It's ekaladeran n uhe....

Ekalderhan story was altered by Erediauwa to accompany his motive on tackle yoruba scholars rewriting benin history


Uhe is associated with Ekaladerhan he never ventured into ife untill oba Erediauwa made him to, inorder to tackle yoruba lying mouths like you

Bkayyy:
I can answer your question as to why Benin, Port Harcourt and Akwa Ibom have brown roofs.
First of all, I will like you to remove Akwa Ibom from the question because they are not related to the other two in question.
As for the other two being Benin and Portharcourt, it all boils down to their yoruba DNA as Benin is known progenitor of the Ikwerre that owns port Harcourt and Bini in turn was founded by Prince Oranmiyan of Ile Ife (yoruba). So it is safe to say that Port Harcourt is the grandson of the Yorubas through their son Benin (Oranmiyan) and that explains the two sharing the yorubas brown roof because brown roof is the trade mark of yoruba cities.

Oromiyan found which benin nonsense lie from hell

TAO11:
Even the greatest liar in the history of Benin Kings (Erediauwa) admits this particular one. See attached.

And I don’t know of any serious academic who doesn’t.

But let’s pretend the Oduduwa of Uhe actually means Oduduwa of Uganda — at least so that you’ll be able to sleep tonight.

Captain Gallwey stayed among Binis. He said Binis are first class cowards. ~ Captain Gallwey; Journey in the Benin Country, 1893, p.128.

No wonder ordinary Ijaw you kept your Oba shut.

Mumum you don't believe Erediauwa story of ekaladeran but you believe uhe... Mugu

Without ekaladeran would there be uhe is not ekaladeran history that brought uhe....

Anyway the original Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with ife.... It was the twisted version which you support that turned uhe to ife

Uhe was a town formerly named ughoton in now benin,

We have nothing to do with you people


So stop forcing it, desperado


And waiting for your next points

Mraphel:
That Edo story was narrated to the BBC by the Edos still u saw myths in the articles.
How on earth can Oranmiyan a prince walk from Ife to Igodomigodo without a horse.?
The early Yorubas sold several horses to many tribes including the Fulani tribes only that the Fulani retained it longer than everyone.

Did you do Geography and how vegetation affects animals

RedboneSmith please i know you're igbo but help me explain to him

TAO11:
I simply said let the tears roll, I never said let the ocean of tears roll.

I never mentioned the word ”ocean”, so why all these??


Anyways, your oba remains “Ovbi’ Oduduwa, Oba n’Uhe”.

Your oba proved this just last week when he was praised as such in his palace.

Now, let the tears roll!

And you say uhe is ife i laff on your desperation

Mugu you and your lazy coward brother

Sammy07:
remove ilorin and replace it with Asaba or Akure.

remove Benin and replace it with Akwaibom, Asaba or Akure

Benin is the 7ths most populated city in Nigeria , urbanization is mostly rated alongside a city population and fast the city is growing alojgside the population .... And not necessarily the beauty of the city


Stop disgracing nigeria educational system

Asaba could be finer but not more urbanized than benin


What tribe are you.....


AreaFada2

TAO11:
I know better. I was schooling both you and your Oba.

And I also begged the honorable mister who brought up the topic to off his mic.


Having said that, did your elder sister finally agree to your advances??

Let the tears roll!

You mean i can have your eldest sisted too that would be nice threesomse to compensate me for your lies


Ife symbols only unique to the ife.... And not to owo, i guess the owo terracotta is also unique to the ife with the stratification mugu



Mugu wen you and your brothers be.......


Edo wannabe

TAO11:
I thought you said you have an elder sister.

Remember you defended you Oba when he commited incest.

Let the tears roll.

The way you also got wet for our oba incest case
That you made it an obligation to search how the sex romps began


Am offering you an edo dick, you have been longing for, and you're shying in away.....

Better take it before u loose it

TAO11:
Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world.

You have suffered. I will make you curse the day you were born as an Edo.

My target is simply to expose Benin kingdom to the Igbos, and I will continue to do that everywhere on Nairaland.

Na me and you everywhere on Nairaland.

African Proverb:
An Edo dullard who thinks he is an expert at propagating lies should remember that Tao still have an active aNairaland account.

TAO11 am cold over here in benin i need warm pussy i can keep my joystick for d nite

TAO11:
Quoting from R. Horton:

“Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), p.87.

Even Tinubu laughed hard at the delusions of the Edo dullard:

Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy.

Robin Horton if only knew that benin had relationships with ife

But little did he know......

Afc rydee still stand unopposed

TAO11:
I am glad to have rendered you repetitively useless.

Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world of reality.

Let the hot bloody tears roll.

AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Samuk

If you ever bring this sculpture again and present it as an ife sculpture when i ask you for benin-ife evidence


I will knock you desperate head, and purely replying you with insult and nothing more

Because that artworks has nothing unique to ife sane way owo terracotta has nothing unique to ife terracotta head, they were not made for uniqueness they were both made for worship purpose

So that symbol you equate as uniquely ife symbols makes you a desperado and a lier....

TAO11:
According to Ekpo Eyo, the artwork of Owo which dated to 1400 were even terra-cotta to begin with.

Here we’re dealing with ‘bronzes’ — a latter art invention.

In sum: IF Owo later casted ‘bronze’ figures, then it must be in the 1500s/1600s.

Yet we’re talking of a 1300 ‘bronze’ figure. I have obviously flogged your brain out of your cranium. Ntor!

They certainly didn’t cast bronzes before Benin or did they?

No the regalia is exactly precisely the one and the same thing. Cry!

The following is the comparison criteria based on a detail-by-detail analysis of the royal regalia:

(1) The textile covering the lower body.

(2) The two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from close to the shoulder down towards the knees.

(3) The two or three stack of annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone.

(4) The one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces.

(5) The many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen.

(5) And the most unique and important, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest.

Figure (a)i & ii is the image of the 1300 ‘bronze’ figure excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

(a)i Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77.
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(a)ii Another Angle:
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Based on the above set-out comparison criteria, sane folks may now compare and contrast this ‘bronze’ figure excavated from Benin Palace with the ’bronze’ figures below excavated from Ife.

Figure (b) and (c) below are two different examples of ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself.

(b)www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0

(c)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee

An Edo dullard must be soaked in hot bloody tears at the moment.

I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife.

The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings.

The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9

In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round.

All modern Yoruba monarchs wear Agbada , and they also possess the tall crown known as Ade Nla.

In fact, the ‘bronze’ figure in question didn’t even wear an agbada to begin with.

So, how does his regalia look in anyway like the one of the modern-day (or latter day) king you posted?? D

Let the hot tears roll, gregyboy!

Mumu..........


Yes owo invented sclpture to ife


Like i said many owo artwork were destroyed by benins


Yes oduduwa head is a 14c artworks made of meltal...

Desoetado


Check it out

TAO11:
I cans see that every blow I give you throws you further into self-delusions.

Oya take am again!

The two embedded images below show a circa 1300 A.D. ‘bronze’ sculpture of the then Ooni of Ife. This figure was excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead

Another Angle:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32

Q: How did scholars come to the conclusion that this figure represents the then Ooni of Ife??

A: They noticed that the regalia [i.e. (1)the textile covering the lower body; (2)the two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from around the shoulder down towards the knees; (3)the stack of some two or three annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone; (4)the one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces; (5)the many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen; and most importantly, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest among other unique commonalities] is the exact same regalia seen on the different ‘bronze’ figures of Ife Kings excavated from Ife itself.

See the embedded images below for two examples of such figures which were recovered from Ife itself, and then compare:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0

Another One:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee

Moreover, scholars realize that not a single one of the ‘bronze’ figures of Benin Kings shows the same regalia. And there is no other ‘bronze’ figure anywhere else that actually does.

I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife.

The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings.

The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9

In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round.

Mumu
Mumu
Mumu

Are this dump quoting the obvious


Is it not obvious to you that ife and owo shared thesesame artisans


So that label on the chest should be obvious


Is like saying owo artwork is different from benin artworks

For me owo taught ife is artworks


Is it not obvious to you that both owo and ife artwork were buried, this shows that ife and owo artwork were from one source so all similarities should be expected


Are you aware that many owo artwork were destroyed by bini invasion


Are you also aware that not all ife artwork that, that chest symbol was made on, so why must owo be different, owo is having it in one of is sculpture you're saying no, it is not owo sculpture
Because the symbol is ife


If indeed is a mark peculiar to distinguish ife sculpture then all ife sculpture should be having it nor be so


Tears...... As blocked your brain


Ife and owo sculpture shares thesame scarification, share thesame mark whiskers share the same colour, thesame texture, thesame face pattern

Then tao11 says they shouldnt share the sane symbol because na only ife get the symbol

Desperado tao11




From my observations that symbol is not for bust sculpture but for full portrait sculpture just as we dont have it in ife burst scuptures so we don't have it in owo burst sculpture, it is nothing unique to any of the two tribe, both ife and owo shared thesame artisans which is obvious

Is like saying benin- owo sculpture should be different because they are two different tribe, ozwor, show me any benin sculpture in owo that was designed in a benin pattern that differs slightly from the ones in benin


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk
Valirex

Make una help me tell her make she tune down her desperate attitude down


If she still insist that sculpture is from ife let her support are clsims with written evidence from 1475 to 1897.....

KingWarri:
How did they get to Benin if they didn't pass through warri?
they did trade with the Itsekiris

Bana benin were at shores of the rivers when Portuguese came probably after trade began with benin and Portugal that the rest tribe came closer to the coast to start trading

The trade attracted the niger deltans to the coast

TAO11:
Directly from the mouth of Ekpo Eyo — the archaeologist who did the Owo works:

I never objected to to this as a matter of fact both artisans are same people

My only objection is owo taught ife how to make artworks but majourity of owo art were destroyed by benins

As a matter of fact owo palace owo palace is even olderthan any yorubas oba palace to tell you why

TAO11:
I can see that hot tears have really soaked your eyes.

(1) The Benin invasion of Owo was 1400 (your attachment).

(2) The earliest artworks of Owo was 1400.

(3) The figure we’re discussing was 1300.

(4) Yet this Edo dullard insists that the figure was made by Owo.

(5) Conclusion: This Edo dullard has being blinded by hot tears after realizing that his attempt at revision is not only dumb, but also too late.

Most importantly though:

The royal regalia of this figure matches none else’s in the world but the Oonis of Ife’s.

This then proves conclusively that Benin Kingdom was a colony of Ife since ancient times.

Benin invasion in owo was 1400 did that stop owo to have mafe those sculptures 100yrs ago before the benin invasion



I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperation

Both sculpture date the same year but both regalias are different

The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second scupture

TAO11:
gregyboy, I can see you hiding in “guest”.

I will make you curse the Edo you were born as Edo.

Lol, you still have nothing


You only left potholes for yourself to fill

Nothing makes that sculpture ife

1) no Europeans recorded any relationship with benin and ife but they did for owo

2) Secondlt the regalia doesnt match an ife king regalia of 1300

Both sculpture are 14ad the first picture is a royalty from ife, the sculpture was found in ife

The second sculpture regalia is different the ife sculpture regalia, inshort the second sculpture regalia is similar to that of an eastern king regalia

Forget the symbol on the chest that is only showing you that the both artisans are fron one source,

probably owo made all the artworks for ife thats why we cant find any family in ife who made thise their artworks


So why are both regalia not matching and why did babatunde lawal disagree on ife not artwork influencing benin arts

TAO11:
But I’m so sorry to break your wooden heart that: no figure of a Benin oba was ever found in Ife — it’s rather the other way round. And I’d tell you why below:

Like I promised you, the reason you won’t find any such sculpture of a Benin oba at the Ife palace is simply that:

The President doesn’t keep portraits of Governors, et al. in his office. It is always the other way round.

I could swear that the early obas of Benin worshipped that figure of the Ooni every morning at dawn.

The dates don’t matter or what did I just read??

I have said you’re a dullard and you keep confirming it.

So in your dullard Edo mind, a ‘bronze’ cast made in the early 1300 was possibly made by the Owo people who didn’t cast bronzes until after the 1400, right??

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12300045_1180859311783653img20190722154954jpegb78bac5c83a42178910da3de9aa62adbjpegjpeg9cfba2c96c509f82646e09ea44461ee6_jpeg_jpegd2120de126612f0fe3ddadd01b9c1d3b

Whenever I call on a “dullard”, just scream Yes Ma!

Let me cc your people: Valirex, Etinosa1234, AreaFada2, Sarah20A

Mumu

Read the screenshot below most of owo artworks was destroyed by benin attacks on owo
So saying owo artwork was from started fron 1400 is a big lie, you should say the oldest surving artworks after benin wared owo date at 1400....i hope you get it


2) who use democracy to explore monarchy, now you have gotten on my nerves with your outmost desperation

Why was that same sculptures shared amongst various yoruba monarch for them to worship mumu.... ooh edo was special because they conquered yoruba people so that sculpture represented ooni trophies to benin for the good conquering

3) so if the Governors keeps the picture of only the president how come we can both find owo art in benin and we can find benin artwork in owo
Or how come we can find owo art in ife and ife artwork in owo


Are you also forgetting most ife artwork are date
12-15ad meaning the exact dating is not know
Most likely ife artwork were 15 century just like like owo artworks too


Please show me an ife artwork in 14 century dressing like that sculpture

TAO11:
Hello dullard, the earliest Owo ‘bronze’ sculptures date to the post-1400.

Moreover, your eyes must be already soaked in hot tears to have missed the two other examples of Ife sculpture with the same royal regalia which I embedded in that same comment.

To expose you as always by making folks here view the disgrace you’re being made to go through on that thread, see the link to the comment in question below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6097329/surnames-rivers-state-indigenes/20#93713095

In sum: The Ife-Benin Connection with Ife being suzerain over Benin Kingdom is therefore signed, sealed and delivered! Gbam!

I will make you hate your parents for their being Edo.

Hey mumu, the date doesnt matter what of if it was one of the oldest sculpture from owo that was taken to benin after benin invasion in owo the aftermath of the war left the others destroyed

Use sense dont just copy scholars works for me


Lets not remove the fact that owo sculpture is very similar to that ife sculptures too more like they shared similar artisans


What of if it was a gift giving by the ooni to the oba after d creation of nigeria that probably got lost or probably was staged by both party to form a false historical link between both tribes which i doubt because no benin artwork was found in ife

Was it found in the royal alters of benin if it wasnt then it doesn't suggest the fact that the sculpture was relevant


Every ife sculpture have a duplicate or a sculpture similar to a particular type of sculpture , unlike the owo sculpture that are hardly found in pairs, so were is d duplicate of the sculpture in ife from that


Dont be too desperate TAO11 it is an owo sculpture


Who will think picture 1 is an owo is an owo sculpture Because of its similarities with the ife head, This only explains that ife and owo shared thesame artisans


In as much as TAO11 wants to makes that sculpture ifel she has still not yet removed the doubt from everyone the sculpture could be that of owo


Possibilism willams failed to consider

1,that sculpture could indeed be from ife but was brought to benin after they might have created nigeria that's could be why the sculpture had no influence on benin artwork, or happened to have been placed in an acestoral alter, to signify benin - ife heritage

Again if it was a gift it wont have been a lost item buried in the palace it would have been placed on the alter to the oba it was gifted to

2) that sculpture could also be from ife and was taken to owo, since owo and ife shared same artisans, so maybe during benin invasion on owo the sculpture was stolen and taken to benin as a gift to the oba lets also not forget owo artisans were trained in the oba palace another Possibilism of it coming from owo

3) it could be an indigenous owo art as the regalia depict the eastern Yoruba king regalia unlike the ife 1300ad regalia which differs from that differs from that sculpture regalia, it must have been the amongst the oldest surviving artworks which survived when benin attacked owo and was stolen

4) if indeed we are to believe it as an ife artwork as believe by TAO11, which was taken to benin from ife then the relationship was a strong one for that to have happen , so we must also be able to find other relationships shared between both parties, like the benin-owo relationship

First of all we must find it in their artworks of both benin and ife so TAO11 show more relationships

Isnt that so
Willams failed to highlighten this Possibilism
Probably he failed to know there was an owo artwork in nigeria when he wrote the article


AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Etinosa1234
Samuk


If this possibilism is not treatec by TAO11 then it would be safe to say it id an owo artwork that was lost to benin

Is this an ife sculpture or an owo sculpture


If its an ife sculpture why is it totally different from a 1300ad sculpture

And why is the sculpture in an eastern king regalia and not an 12 ad sculpture regalia


Toa111
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234


Picture1 the said sculpture

Picture2 an eastern Yoruba sculpture

TAO11:
gregyboy:

You must be feeling really miserable lately for receiving serious koboko left, right, and center from a Yoruba woman.

I spit on all Edo liars for their being a bunch of insecure dullards and pathetic revisionists.

Lol, funny youre trying to convince me and you still failing but self praising yourself


Baba tunde admitted that sculpture came earlier probably after 1914 that is if it an ife sculpture


Etinosa1234
Valirex
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

TAO11:
Hello dullard, the earliest Owo ‘bronze’ sculptures date to the post-1400.

Moreover, your eyes must be already soaked in hot tears to have missed the two other examples of Ife sculpture with the same royal regalia which I embedded in that same comment.

To expose you as always by making folks here view the disgrace you’re being made to go through on that thread, see the link to the comment in question below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6097329/surnames-rivers-state-indigenes/20#93713095

In sum: The Ife-Benin Connection with Ife being suzerain over Benin Kingdom is therefore signed, sealed and delivered! Gbam!

I will make you hate your parents for their being Edo.

Are we talking about years of the sculpture or we are talking about the possible origin of the sculpture


That sculpture is from owow


If that sculpture is from ife, then then there must also be a bini at ife... Lol


Atleast they must have exchanged sculptures

TAO11:
Like I always tell you, oceans of tears, sorrows and frustrations like the above are self-refuting.

However, see the link below for a gentle reminder of where you were disgraced on the Ife-Benin connection here:

https://www.nairaland.com/6097329/surnames-rivers-state-indigenes/20#93713095

By the way, have you worshipped “there is no” today??

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281274_99e0a1b6124842cabcf04ce2ca79bd4f_jpeg_jpegf9fd0a9be1b03aeefb053f51896e9126

Thank you for admitting that it was only the Yorubas of your region (i.e. the Itsekiri) who dared call you by the derogatory name — Ile-Ibinu.

This proves again that the Benin account which claims Oranmiyan named the land is in fact true.

Can you effectively read this page

This is a Yoruba scholar who go against that scupture found in the palace

And he had said that ife had not influence benin artwork, and that artwork found in oba palace might have been brought later probably after 1914

Please can you tell me the date that sculpture was discovered in the oba palace,

That could also help to further draw conclusions if its and owo artwork that is being mistaken as ife artwork or it is an ife artwork which shows connection between benin and ife

For me that sculpture is an owo artwork there is no difference between owo original artwork and that of ife

Why did benin teach only owo his artworks techniques amongst other vassal my research led me know that unlike the other vassals benin encountered they never had any form of
artworks in their possession which could have interested the benins to have considered teaching them the benin artwork techniques



If indeed ife taught benin its artworks we would have also seen an exchange of both artworks between both party i.e benin and ife like we saw in owo,

It could also be a gift given after 1924 by an ooni for the sake of friendship that is if the artworks is not from owo, if the artworks meant supiority lineage then it would be found in the royal alters
If it was dug from the palace soil then it is lost irrelevant sculpture to the benins

Etinosa1234
AreaFada2
Valirex
Ghostwon
Sarah20A



You need to prov


Owo artworks are not always in pairs, unlike the ife artworks that have pairs and dublicates from a particular sculpture but in owo artwork it is mostly one in a particular artworks
Again owo artwork are also similar to ife artwork
There is high probability ife artwork was made in owo and taken to ife

More

Must read by all benins

TAO11:
Like I always tell you, oceans of tears, sorrows and frustrations like the above are self-refuting.

However, see the link below for a gentle reminder of where you were disgraced on the Ife-Benin connection here:

https://www.nairaland.com/6097329/surnames-rivers-state-indigenes/20#93713095

By the way, have you worshipped “there is no” today??

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12281274_99e0a1b6124842cabcf04ce2ca79bd4f_jpeg_jpegf9fd0a9be1b03aeefb053f51896e9126

Thank you for admitting that it was only the Yorubas of your region (i.e. the Itsekiri) who dared call you by the derogatory name — Ile-Ibinu.

This proves again that the Benin account which claims Oranmiyan named the land is in fact true.

That sculpture like i always tell is an owo sculpture you seem desperate to make it ife

Can you show us another sculpture from ife having looking thesame as that sculpture from 1300

AreaFada2:
Those who call Benin City village make una come see o. Independent Africapolis don rubbish una again o.

It's even our kilt and kin Ezechima people that made SE show up at all.

Then Eko by Edo founders led the pack. Our Ikwerre people complete it in Port-Harcourt. I can see why all the envy. Chai! In a very short few years Benin Prince Iginuwa people of Warri will be up there too. I can see where all the hatred comes from.

Greatness spreads like seeds from a Great tree. No lies or propaganda can cover it.

gregyboy
ghostwon
Etinosa

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TAO11:
For your first attachment, here you go:

(a) A.F.C. Ryder’s 1965 hypothesis which you’ve attached here have been thoroughly debunked by subsequent archaeological finds which weren’t available at the time of his 1965 publication.

(b) Also, his unfamiliarity with certain information such as the significance of Oba Eweka’s morning ritual to Ife while facing the rising sun at dawn also contributed to his confusion and misinterpretation.

One such historian and scholar of African History who have contributed at some great depth to the disastrous refutation of his hypothesis is Robin Horton in his “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”. Robin Horton writes in relation to this subject as follows:

“Curiously, Ryder, in pursuing his argument, does so in full awareness of a fact which one might have expected to moderate his enthusiasm for it. Here, I refer to the ritual in which the Oba of Benin addresses prayers to his forefathers at Ife through an eastward facing window at dawn, thus making an identification (albeit a symbolic one) between Ife and the east.* Far from sounding a note of caution in the face of this fact, he regards it as yet further evidence that the original home of the Eweka dynasty was not Ife but some more easterly or north-easterly center. His reasoning seem to be that, since the symbolism of dawn and east is alien to Ife or indeed Yoruba religious life, the ritual must represent a relatively recent grafting of the idea of Ife as dynastic home, on to a more ancient practice directed to the real dynastic home in the east or north-east.

In fact, as further information now makes plain, Ryder’s interpretation of this ritual is misguided. To start with, if we turn to Dahomey, on the opposite margin of our region, we find much the same identification. Thus Maupoil, in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually does correspond with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.* Again, several scholars have noticed, there is an epithet widely current in our region which praises the city as: “Ife, creator of the world, whence come the dawn”.* Far from being something isolated and alien, then, this symbolic association of Ife with dawn and the east is something highly characteristic of the region.

Had Ryder known of this background to the Oba’s dawn prayers, he would surely have drawn somewhat different conclusions ... And had he taken this into account, he would surely have been less enthusiastic about his “look anywhere but west” approach.

Further information has also cast doubt on the iconographic arguments with which Ryder buttresses his case. Thus we now have several examples of the Maltese-cross symbols on terra-cotta materials excavated at Ife.* And the presence of this symbol in the city’s archaeological deposits vitiates the argument [with which Ryder buttresses his case], ... Again, we now have several examples of the “cat’s-whisker” facial mark on terra-cotta heads excavated at “classical” Ife sites. And the presence of this mark vitiates yet another argument.* ... Oddly, he himself acknowledges in a footnote the existence of one “cat’s whisker” head excavated at Ife. But rather than allow it cast doubt on his argument, he treats it as the exception that proves the rule. With discovery of several such pieces, however, such special pleading, already dubious, becomes totally unacceptable.

Nor are the Maltese cross and the “cat’s-whisker” the only Bini motifs for which Ife counterparts have been established over the past few years. On the contrary, recent excavations at Ife have revealed a whole series of motifs previously thought to be peculiar to Benin.*

Along with the new iconographic findings, we have also acquired an impressive series of dates. Application of carbon-14 and thermoluminescience [sic] techniques to excavated materials has enabled us to assign approximate absolute dates to several major Ife settlement levels and to the terra-cotta and brass works associated with them. Dates for terra-cotta pieces range from c. A.D. 1000 onward; whilst dates for brass pieces range from c. A.D. 1275 to c. A.D. 1440. Application of these techniques to materials from Owo and Benin has also enabled us to assign dates to some of the ”classical” terra-cotta and brass-work associated with these cities. Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*

Taken together, the new iconographic and dating discoveries would seem to have swung the balance of evidence back in favour of the consensual thesis of a “classical” political and artistic tradition which originated in Ife and subsequently spread to Benin.”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), pp. 85-87.
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(2) On the overall, the decisive evidence which conclusively demolishes Ryder’s hypothesis (and other hypotheses like his) is the archaeological find of a bronze figure of the then Ooni of Ife which was excavated from the palace of Benin Kingdom and dated to c. A.D. 1300.

I have elaborated significantly on this particular find in my foregoing comment, as to how it conclusively establishes the early imperial domination of Benin Kingdom by the sacred and ancient Kingdom of Ife

Williams, following Ryder, starts by pointing out that the much-cited
oral tradition claiming an Ife origin for Benin figurative brass work is
counter-weighted by other (and possibly earlier) traditions to the effect
that the techniques and style were brought by "a white man from over the
sea" or by "the Igbon". He also points out that attempts at independent
corroboration of the oral tradition by comparative stylistic analysis have
been based on faulty logic. Thus scholars such as Fagg and Dark have
noted that Benin figurative brass work shows a spectrum of styles ranging
from an Ife-like naturalism, through various degrees of semi -naturalism,
to a stylised abstraction. They have then gone on to correlate successive
parts of this spectrum with successive temporal periods, taking the most
Ife-like naturalism as representative of the earliest period, the various semi-
naturalisms as representative of various later periods, and the stylised
abstraction as representative of a yet later period. Having asserted this
correlation, they have gone on to take it as further evidence for the Ife
origin of the Benin casting tradition. As Williams says, however, the jump
from style sequence to time-sequence is illegitimate, and so, therefore, is
the entire argument that depends on it.2 0
Having weighed in with this critique of the art -historical orthodoxy,
Williams goes on to show some impressive differences of technique as
between the Ife and Benin brass-casters.
First of all, there was a marked difference in the preparation of the clay
used for making cores and moulds. Ife smiths used clay with a small
charcoal admixture. Benin smiths used clay with a large animal dung
mixture.
Second, there was a difference in the way the cores were built up. Ife
smiths used simple iron spikes on which to build their cores, or did without
reinforcement altogether. Benin smiths used complex branching
armatures as skeletons for their figures.
19. Williams, D. Icon and Image, London 1974.
20. Williams, op. cit., pp. 136-144.
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Ancient If e: A Reassessment 77
Thirdly, there was a difference in the way the cores were held fixed
relative to the moulds. Ife smiths used clay bridges to join cores to moulds.
Benin smiths used iron stays.
On the basis of these differences, Williams argues that the Benin
tradition was almost certainly not derived from Ife in the first instance,
and that its subsequent development also owed little or nothing to Ife.
Williams follows up his critique with a challenging alternative view of
the development of art (and culture generally) in this part of the Guinea
Forest. Such development, he suggests, was the outcom


This was from the same refrence TAO11 gave me



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Ogiso was a myth.....told to make the benin royalty look divine and extend the years of the kingdom


Oba was always our title like i have always told TAO12


She Knows this and she is pained about it?


Benin-ife was a liar ife


I traced it to the books so as many professors


Oba has always been the tilte there was never ogiso who ruled so please tao11 stop living on a myth oromiyan game to dispose a non existing mythical kings


Ogie is like a tile for emir it means royalty and mostly use for dukes and Refrence royalty in benin


Oba is like the title for sultan, no duke(ogie) can bear the title oba except the oba of benin


The relationship shared between yorubas and benin after the creation of nigeria made yorubas kings adopt the title oba

The title oba was first introduced to the eastern yorubas till it entired the lingua franca of the entire yoruba and dey adopted it as a general name for their king after 1930