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AreaFada2:
Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

AreaFada2:
Did you even read my post at all?
Where did I say they came from the sky? How do elders from various quarters of Igodo, all descendants of Pa Idu, come from the sky?
At least take your time to read before you comment.
The English have the legend of king Arthur. But they also now know the likely origin of Britannic tribes from DNA. Not to mention English that came from Germany and Denmark to replace the Romance.

But it has not diluted the popularity of Arthur legend even though nobody believes it's true.

AreaFada2:
OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

AreaFada2:
OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

AreaFada2:
Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

TAO11:
Hahaha! Feel good fictional discourses at the back door.

It’s a status I earned with Nairaland if that’s what you want to hear.

Post more truth and fact, and you’ll perhaps get there

gayboy and etiosa local govt analyzing “likes” You guys are failures.

Yet etiosa admitted yesterday to not seeing any moniker giving the likes.

Contradiction and confusion seems to be a deep-rooted and early Benin trait.

Etrusen:
haha!!! haba na wa oo take am easy na

TAO11:
I have answered your dullard questions when I asked that you stop disgracing your family all over Nairaland after the terrible dragging I gave you.

Again, your picture was once on Nairaland, and as such many people would have known both you and your family.

So, stop hiding behind the supposed facelessness on Nairaland to keep disgracing yourself and your innocent family — it is not so faceless for you particularly.

If Oba Ewuare II finally get your time to trace you concerning all your sacrilegious statements against him and his ancestors; it is then you would realize that those OPC he (Ewuare II) recently brought to Benin are not for jokes after all.

TAO11:
Lol @ strike fear.

Weytin we go do, we sha no fit leave dem to dey lie dey go.

May be if I leave Naiaraland sha oo.

Etrusen:
always on point

Osagyefo98:
You guys are beginning to sound more fffooolissh and desperate with the useless analysis everyday and day.

Tell us how they ended up with Akaeze.

Contain every history in Edo or extend it to Yorubas pls..not here, it is not needed.

Osagyefo98:
Occupied by Edo bearing Igbo names.

Lol

Wonders shall never cease.

Etrusen:
my brother na why on earth will u choose to bring up what you don't understand.
those two sword with different shape in Benin is as old as the first dynasty of Ogiso of igodo and the sword was created by the second ogiso Ere
so what ceremonial sword are you talking about because seriously I don't get you.

it shows your post was an investigation please do properly �

but you see those sword they old than the Oba dynasty

Etrusen:
please if you have noticed me you will understand I hate arguing so going Ekiokpagha treaty of Oba Ewedo I know you will still argue is not advice able. talking of security I know how secure I am personally I don't know of other tribe.

Etrusen:
although I hate arguing about what I could have explain better if it were to be on ground but saying Tao11 know Benin history more than me is left for you maybe you know her physically but you don't know me either so please don't judge one-sided please .
And as for that of the ekiokpagha treaty you are saying I don't want to go further with all this arguments because you will not still agree

I really feel its high time all historical lovers of Edo to be having meeting even as association.

Etrusen:
thank you my brother

please I will love to know those errors and I don't copy and paste everything I right here on naira land is directly from my head and personal typing.

but personally I would believe that your that it could be true that ikalederhan ended at ughoton but that's a topic for another day. but if you believe ikalederham existed as a prince before him been betrayed don't you also think there was a king ? because to be a prince your father most be a king.

history is lovely when done constructively not insulting each other trying to prove worth.

Etrusen:
thanks for your right up but as you can seen I will leave my case in order for both of us not to argue more online if it was to be face to face we could have go more deeper.

but please one thing you have to review properly is that ogiso dynasty was real but if you don't believe that will not be a problem to me.
thank you for your time brother

tu gha tu to mwen saka baba

TAO11:
Guts to [s]face British or what did I just read?? Do you know what a punitive expedition actually mean?? Person beat you chase you papa commot for house, install an acting papa on you and you talk of guys.

I know you love discussing fictions, irrelevances and imaginations. That’s your specialty.

But when it comes to history —— fiam, even Ussain Bolt will scream don’t leave me, AreaFada[/s].

RedboneSmith:
The founder of Ubulu-Uku, a herbalist/hunter named Ezemu came from Afor in Ndokwa, and not from Benin.

TAO11:
I can’t remember when Nigeria started producing phones and Italian shoes — anything to help your bruised and battered self though.

Stolen Benin artifact?? No! Those were actually spoils from a punitive expedition at Benin kingdom.

It must be really tough on you to remember the ugly incident of how your Oba Ovonramwen was expelled and disgraced from his own kingdom.

Yet, the oracle of the Oghene of Ife forewarned him of the impending disgrace. ~ Egharevba cited in R. Horton p.128.

TAO11:
I can’t remember when Nigeria started producing phones and Italian shoes — anything to help your bruised and battered self though.

Stolen Benin artifact?? No! Those were actually spoils from a punitive expedition at Benin kingdom.

It must be really tough on you to remember the ugly incident of how your Oba Ovonramwen was expelled and disgraced from his own kingdom.

Yet, the oracle of the Oghene of Ife oghene of nupe, forewarned him of the impending disgrace. ~ Egharevba cited in R. Horton p.128.

Etrusen:
I really love your words, any way am a 100% pure Edo man my mother is a branch of the famous Ogierunmwanbo N oka in Oka upper sokponba road Benin city my father is the offspring of Ogiute of Ute in Orhionmwon LGA and my morning greeting is Lagite so am a pure Edo man.


first of all I love a point you raise that "they ruled in a time of no sun and moon" so I really believe you understand figure of speech and as a result I will also believe that you will think deeply That the word sun and moon is referring to the total dark age of Africa as the European will also say.

if you say no tribe still call it Igodomigodo it means that innerly you believe That it was once there that is why you made use of the word STILL and for the one that once called it Igodomigodo, the Benin people called themselves and are still calling themselves till date please observe very well if you are in Benin,. and for that of other tribe they have their various way of calling Benin e.g Urhobo "aka",agbor "idu" , Ancient Ondo and Ekiti "Ado" etc the only tribe that don't have what they call Benin are those that didn't come in contact with them.

The recording of the obas are done with various items and in parables and in the palace of the Oba of Benin we have what we call Ukhure nikaro
(hope you understand it meaning) representing each Oba that have ruled. so IGODO,ERE,ORIRE,ODIA,EFESEKE,ETEBOWE, up to OWODO are all ogiso that ruled Benin during it dark age.

The Oba system came through Ikalederhan the last son of ogiso Owodo who was banish courtesy Esagho to be killed please to cut it short he survived to Uhe and became king and all the rest ok. ? and at the end the son coming back to rule. you see I know my history and I don't argue with people in order for them to believe me as you constantly do with TAO11.

As for Agbado I will beg you to ask any true Benin historian or research yourself to confirm what market is the first known market I'm benin. Buttressing: the word Agbado mean "trading together" a name derive from the complete coming together of the people.

Etrusen:
bro I have no time to argue with you because I have always read some of your argument with Taoa11 and others but I have some few question for you if you believe the ogiso is a myth

why do we have Ogiso market just like Oba market in Benin

tell me how was the Ere deified to god in Benin just like sango

when was Benin called Igodomigodo and what monarch ruled

it is obvious that Benin was already settled before Oba monarchy tell me then which monarchy

do you know that the two most oldest market in Benin is Agbado and ogiso markets?

look I really understand why you believe it's myth but the only part that is myth is saying that Igodo
fell from the sky which is obviously not possible but that doesn't mean it was not there. just like my fellow compatriot " iyi Eweka and others I have dedicated most of my time into many Edo cultures both physically,theoretically up to this date. although personally I will not stress my self to elaborate if you don't want to agree but please answer those question constructively I don't mean argue, rather answer the question and ask any question if you wish. thanks for your time gregyboy you are noticed

Etrusen:
I think this can really help in the lingering supremacy tussle between tribes

lx3as:
What's my concern with 7 LGA Bini. I don't even respond to you and your ilks gullible posts and threads again.

Etinosa1234:
Roupell account states Eweka came directly from Ife,..
Egharevba and other accounts including urs state Eweka came by marriage between Oranmiyan and a Benin woman...

Seems after all the grammar u write... U don't understand simple English

By the way , I'll probably not answer u until u decided to choose whether your Yoruba account binds on you

Apparently u didn't click the link... That must be some sort of PTSD
Since majority of Yoruba pple have agreed that Yoruba is not indigenous, then why haven't u accepted it,...after all it's binding on you too...

When u make ur stand , I'll reply u

Goodnight

Gregyboy

Etinosa1234:
Na fake accounts... E nor hard to create emails to open nairaland account. I fit do am but I nor dey dat desperate abeg.. and I dey busy with stuffs rn

Even the ofu.nwa Na alternate.. created may 2020 but only 9 posts and most Na Benin Yoruba issue... Na once u go know those guys don dey feel ur effect

That pic she posted states Oduduwa as a masquerade honouring the paternal ancestors

Etinosa1234:
The Day wey I tire for that Cross dresser na when I see 67 likes on post for thread wey people nor dey read...

Like 67 jobless pple read 57+ pages ... And if u check the thread.. Na only one set of people dey follow the thread.

Check the profile of that ofu,nwa wey dey form Igbo... Na Yoruba alternate...

Their desperation too much guy

Olu317:
If he didnt mention Oranmiyah,who then was the father of Eweka 1 ? You are intellectually dehydratd.

AreaFada2:
Oh boy I dey warn you o. Na cross dresser o. Anyway we dey here to hear the tory of Rod wey go dey dangle for there.